Everyone turning to grip?

[R&D Mechanical]

Hey all


it has come to my attention that everyone is pissing drift off and going into grip? who is doing this? i find it so funny and saw it coming awhile ago.


Views?

[Wally]

for me, never really got into the whole drift thing.
I personally enjoy grip more.

[Simon-KE70]

who's everyone?

personally im building my rolla up to do both. so i went overkill on the brakes and susp. cant wait to have some fun in it.

[Vance]

ive always driven mountain passes. i drift when its faster and grip when its faster. i dont just stick to one or the other unless my brakes fail and have no choice but to drift the whole time (only happened once)

my mates have always been into track grip and hill climbs. theyre trying to get out of it now. spending 4k+ a week on a car seems like a major waste. one of them is trying to sell his r32 gtr with r34 rb26dett engine for 25k and he just sold his 2 door sti with 2.5L engine for about 30k. both had spare suspension setups for hills and track. thats absolutely nothing compared to how much they put into those cars.

youll notice people in motorsport will go in and out of things. time and money usually the major contributing factors.

[Simon-KE70]

riiight

[ke70dave]

riiight

2nd...

my oppinoin is drift is a bit of a 'fun' motorsport...and grip seems a bit more serious and technical i guess, not saying drift isnt technical as it sure requres alot of skill thats for sure...

i think i like grip atm more cause my 4k is to slow to drift! but i do intend on having a bit of a go of this drifting when the 4age is in.

and pluss its a bit safer driving around on the streets in a "grip" fashion, than trying to perfect that 3rd gear skandinavian flick as you exit the 3rd exit on the round about....(Wonder if thats possible...)

[biggo]

grip - any well setup drift car can do it

[Trev084]

What Grinds My Gears:

Grip. Ever since NFS Pro Street came out, all the sick-toons and hektik mob are calling normal track and road racing "grip" to try and differentiate it from "drift". Notice how there was never the need for this distinction before NFS PS came along, even when drift came around. it was just normal "racing", or even just "driving".

I agree with this comment.

[Simon-KE70]

grip - any well setup drift car can do it


yes and any well set up grip car can do it! (drift) with exception to F1..just all depends on the driver

[Vance]

but theres different classes in grip. in drift you can still go ok if you havent spent a shitload on your car. in grip i dont think a 4age ae86 is gonna keep up very well with 400hp+ evos and gtrs.

if you take a drift car to our local hill climbs they would laugh at you because its not awd. they would laugh at you even more if you said it wasnt turbo

[Mickey H]

What about fwd? Are they any good for hillclimbs? I've got an old swift sedan i dont drive anymore, was thinking of making a hillclimb car out of it with a g13b and some GTi running gear. Not much but its a start.

[yoshimitsu9]

What about fwd? Are they any good for hillclimbs? I've got an old swift sedan i dont drive anymore, was thinking of making a hillclimb car out of it with a g13b and some GTi running gear. Not much but its a start.

dont forget there was an awd option in japan :)) my mate owns one too, out of the box they arent terrible handling IMO, some stiffer sway bars would make it heaps better, surely there would be an aftermarket coilover kit for the swift gti too

[Mickey H]

dont forget there was an awd option in japan :)) my mate owns one too, out of the box they arent terrible handling IMO, some stiffer sway bars would make it heaps better, surely there would be an aftermarket coilover kit for the swift gti too

Yeh ive looked into the awd option, there are a couple of awd sedans around, but parts are hard to find, and the gearboxes are worth 2k alone, but im still looking might be able to get some parts cheap.
But yeh ive always wanted to do hillcimbs/offroad over drift, and the GTi has huge aftermarket support. I think it would be a good base to start with over a ke70/86

[Vance]

one of my mates did a gtir. went pretty well with bigger turbo and upped boost.

he put it on the track and it was only 2 seconds behind our mates above mentioned gtr

[R&D Mechanical]

Personally i'm sticking to drift as i am shit at grip, then again i am shit at drift but im still learning.

[Konakid]

Who turned to grip?

[narchi]

the drift scene is pretty shocking in aus. i love drift so thats y i do it. But theres alot more comps, support, track days if u do grip. So thats y i do both. I find drifting helps me grip and vice versa.

Oh and drift and grip were used long before NFS pro street. I remember using those terms when i talked to other people about motorsport when i had my STi which was like 2-3yrs before NFS PS

[Trev084]

the drift scene is pretty shocking in aus. i love drift so thats y i do it. But theres alot more comps, support, track days if u do grip. So thats y i do both. I find drifting helps me grip and vice versa.

Oh and drift and grip were used long before NFS pro street. I remember using those terms when i talked to other people about motorsport when i had my STi which was like 2-3yrs before NFS PS

I know that but its been used alot more now since pro street was released, It was only brought to my attention when a member of another forum im on posted what i quoted.

[LittleRedSpirit]

Grip is what I prefer but Ill dabble in drift once in a while for kicks.

The problem with drift is there's not much you can do with it, compared to grip.

With grip there's always another class to move up to. With the way the DA series has gone theres no future in drift at this time, unless you are world class.

I dare say we need more grass roots drift events so people can grow up in the sport like they can in grip. Grip drivers often start on carts, move up to aussie racers and formula open wheelers, maybe a few v8 supercar races, then on to nascar, or F1 for example.

In drift you get good at it on the smaller local tracks, then you do a local or state series, then if you qualify your in DA. Which is 1 event now, not even worth building a car for one event, is it? Then say you win a DA title, you might get a trip to an OS location for some sort of world event. If you wanna compete week in week out there's no way drift can compete with grip.

What drift needs at this time is an entry level series with a formula for the cars to keep costs down and parity up. I think one place where it fails is that some backyard drifter with an old rig is up against a much more developed car and that's not really parity if you ask me. I wanna see a flock of kes going at it with similar setups to see who the real great drivers are. Wouldn't that be spectacular?

Thats my 2 cents anyhow.

[shadow_bunny]

i see what you mean. when i first got my 4ac ae86 all i wanted was to learn how to drift. eventually reality set in, and truth was i had to spend so much to get to be 'apt for drifting'. Also the fact that drift really f**ks up car parts and theres always a chance something might go wrong and you can end up ass raping your car onto a tree. I gave up on it, and just kept running mountain passes (downhill only) and mastering stuff like heel-toe, rev matching, blind cornering etc. I'm not saying that grip is any safer, you can still ass rape your car, but for me its more intuitive.

[ThatsHowWeRoll]

i find sliding to be fun but i like grip because it gets the heart racing more...

[redsprinter]

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What drift needs at this time is an entry level series with a formula for the cars to keep costs down and parity up. I think one place where it fails is that some backyard drifter with an old rig is up against a much more developed car and that's not really parity if you ask me. I wanna see a flock of kes going at it with similar setups to see who the real great drivers are. Wouldn't that be spectacular?

Thats my 2 cents anyhow.

very true.... dirft needs it to surive... more strict but also cost effective rules like a car can only have no more then 200hp or watever ..

grip and drift has always been around and goes hand in hand..rally drivers use both to archive a fast time .. and so did alot of racing history race car drivers, when their was a lack of suspension/ tyre technology and design.... it was up to the driver to figure out how he/she could make the car go faster around a track. youtube some old racing footage and you will see them sliding their cars around corners and shit.

it only now that different medias are making it more seen to the public- nothing looks better or as dramatic then a car coming into a corner way too hot, with is ass side ways and smoke pouring out of the tyres. easier to make a car look like that then depict real speed on the carmera lense... like above posts ..car games - need for speed... cartoon- inital d and moives - do i have to say it, toyko drift have all had alittle share into letting the world know about drift... .

i just wanna drive fast and have fun at the same time .. . if that means learning to drift and grip so be it ...

[driftke70]

i built my cars for everything, and everything it shall do, whther its competitive or not is largely irrelevent,

drifting does have alot of grass roots

only thing that would fix da would be a no mod of the firewall rule. Knock at least 9 people out of the series off the top of my head. Its ghey anyways, waiting for someone with more than a hand on his dick approach.

[fantapants]

but theres different classes in grip. in drift you can still go ok if you havent spent a shitload on your car. in grip i dont think a 4age ae86 is gonna keep up very well with 400hp+ evos and gtrs.

if you take a drift car to our local hill climbs they would laugh at you because its not awd. they would laugh at you even more if you said it wasnt turbo

check out brother betty in the uk... fair call he has done a lot of work but is basically the car u described and has been fastest car on the day at some climbs last year... against some serious gtir's... im trying to find the videos, but here is a link to his build....

http://www.phpbber.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?mforum=wwweightsixcouk&t=579&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120&mforum=wwweightsixcouk

[Frak]

getting into grip........never went away from it ;)

[shift_rook]

both, yet i can't do either very well, hooray for l platers

[marvis]

I'm not.

[rthy]

grip, cos drift is expensive :<

[Vance]

^ best way to look at it. you save money by not getting too serious and you have more fun too :)

[letsgohunting]

I prefer grip, and I'm better at grip. But I don't really choose one or the other. Both usually come out when I'm driving.

[all torque]

What Grinds My Gears:

Grip. Ever since NFS Pro Street came out, all the sick-toons and hektik mob are calling normal track and road racing "grip" to try and differentiate it from "drift". Notice how there was never the need for this distinction before NFS PS came along, even when drift came around. it was just normal "racing", or even just "driving".

A big +1 to this comment right here. Even disregarding the NFS thing, the term 'grip' is stupid. Drifting, as awesome as it is, is but a relatively small and recent part of motorsport. There should be no need to coin a trendy new word for such a fundamental aspect of driving/racing. </rant>

That aside, my favourite kind of motorsport is hill climbing and tarmac rally events. But for pure fun, drifting is hard to beat.

[Rice86]

drift setup should also kick-ass in grip...to a limit...

Drift/Grip setup car is what im aimming for, and always have been into...i also want to try rally, but rather do it in a FF for 4wd car since ive been on a dirt road with my ae86 and its fun....but not the best for just a lil bit of dirt funness

[s14seriesII]

best fun is doing hill climbs in a drift car...

and circuit racing beating all the regular circuit guys with a drift car on normal street tyres...

[blackknight]

drift or grip it doesnt really matter does it? at the end of the day it's a way of expressing yourself. it's how that action makes you feel everyone does it for different reasons.
I myself have dabled in rally, drift and grip(mountain roads) and each one of those styles has improved not only my skills as a driver but it has also bettered me as a person, i have nothing against competion racing as that competion drives as to become better, but we must not forget the passion behind what it is we do, I know im at my happiest when behind the wheel driving a mountain pass late of a night, a true sence of freedom.
Not such a bad thing if you ask me.

[filfilfil]

jumps
^LOL!


I thought drift is what you do when you cant control your cars rear end or set the rear suspension up correctly :DD ....waiting ....waiting...



i just want to have fun in my car
+1

I try to set my cars up for fun and maximum use...cos unless you have money to burn or are going to try to be serious/professional in the sport it takes a lot of effort/time/money to be the best in any of it.

But you can have a lot of fun in lots of disciplines with a wise spend on a few choice parts.

[Group A]

What Grinds My Gears:

Grip. Ever since NFS Pro Street came out, all the sick-toons and hektik mob are calling normal track and road racing "grip" to try and differentiate it from "drift". Notice how there was never the need for this distinction before NFS PS came along, even when drift came around. it was just normal "racing", or even just "driving".

A big +1 to this comment right here. Even disregarding the NFS thing, the term 'grip' is stupid. Drifting, as awesome as it is, is but a relatively small and recent part of motorsport. There should be no need to coin a trendy new word for such a fundamental aspect of driving/racing. </rant>

That aside, my favourite kind of motorsport is hill climbing and tarmac rally events. But for pure fun, drifting is hard to beat.

+1

I'm so into grip, I don't even call it grip. I call it racing!

[Frak]

lol!! First time I heard someone use the term 'grip' for tarmac/circuit racing I was like WTF you guys have a term for real racing?!

[Nicko]

They call it grip these days because they want to dis-associate themselves with "drifters".

And when you consider the actual differences between tarmac drivers and "dwipters", I don't blame them.

[marvis]

I like doing a bit of grip on the touge, but drift is where my heart is.

[LittleRedSpirit]

Yeah Id only describe my preference for 'Grip' driving as a polite way of saying I'm not into the usual slide and smash routine. When the average 16-25 year old boy racer sees a car like my modified XE7x, they always yell out something like "Sick Drifter Bro, do you go to Archy?" and quite frankly its not a sick drifter, I'm not your bro and I dont drive a full-size car on a go kart track; so no, dont fucking holla at me!

[Frak]

They call it grip these days because they want to dis-associate themselves with "drifters".

And when you consider the actual differences between tarmac drivers and "dwipters", I don't blame them.

Yeah for sure Nick, just being an ol' timer like myself I was like "WTF grip, you actually have a seperate name for it", more amazed than anything.

I'm quite sure these young lads are into grip racing but it has nothing to do with cars!

[OniKyan]

They call it grip these days because they want to dis-associate themselves with "drifters".

And when you consider the actual differences between tarmac drivers and "dwipters", I don't blame them.

#Winning.

I only like busting sneaky skids to scare passengers.

[OniKyan]

but theres different classes in grip. in drift you can still go ok if you havent spent a shitload on your car. in grip i dont think a 4age ae86 is gonna keep up very well with 400hp+ evos and gtrs.

if you take a drift car to our local hill climbs they would laugh at you because its not awd. they would laugh at you even more if you said it wasnt turbo

You must know some complete douche bags if they're like that. What about dope ass M3's, Escorts, Datsuns, AE86's etc? They're all RWD, N/A and certainly at home on the hill climb.

[fergo308]

^^ You're surprised that there are elitist wankers at a motorsport event? That kind of attitude is everywhere and in any sport. Rich guys look down on the guys with cheaper gear,backyard boys snub their noses at the 'chequebook racers',everyone scratches their heads at the specials,and the only people that take drifters seriously are other drifters.

I tell people that I have an AE86,and the first comment straight after is usually 'oh,they're a mad drift car...'. I just smile and nod. Yeah,they can be great at drifting,the short wheelbase and light weight makes them quite nimble compared to stuff like skylines. They're a great circuit car too,for the same reasons,but group A was far too long ago for most to remember,and the Hot version N2 series isn't well enough known here for that side of things to be considered.

The car is capable of any motorsport discipline,be it rally,dooor-to-door circuit,hillclimb,or drifting. How it performs at any is down to setup and the preference of the driver.


Justin...

[s14seriesII]

i like my race car being called a drift car.. because all the other car drivers at the hillclimbs and club days get all confused when they have no chance of catching my times :)
and best of all, thats with 15x10 wheels and 205 street tyres stretched over them !

[johl]

Yeah Id only describe my preference for 'Grip' driving as a polite way of saying I'm not into the usual slide and smash routine. When the average 16-25 year old boy racer sees a car like my modified XE7x, they always yell out something like "Sick Drifter Bro, do you go to Archy?" and quite frankly its not a sick drifter, I'm not your bro and I dont drive a full-size car on a go kart track; so no, dont fucking holla at me!

lol best post i have read in some time

[Konakid]

hahahhaha classic!

[random user]

always been into circuit work ever since i could walk always will be...
iv never played or seen need for speed pro street before and i have always herd it called grip

[Mad RS]

Old post but I know where people coming from with this one. People check my AE86 out and comment that it must drift well. I shrug my shoulders and tell them I wouldn't know, I don't drift. Then they get that puzzled look and wonder why I drive this type of car.

If anyone tries to tell me drifting is a form of racing I try my hardest not to slap them on the back of the head. There is nothing in the current (and by this I mean top end competitive drifting) form that has anything to do with racing. At best I class drifting as a competitive stunt show. Most angle, most smoke and mimicking the leader are all undefinable things. There isn't a piece of paper you can hand to me that proves that I either won or lost that round. Its peoples opinions that define if I have a good day or not and not a definable statistic.

I'm just not a fan of any "Sport" that has an undefinable reason as to why I won or lost.

[Matt]

Drift is fun, enjoy it no matter what level you are competing at

[sundee]

That's right... Jam the clock, just go nuts and have fun

[Jacobxxx]

Old post but I know where people coming from with this one. People check my AE86 out and comment that it must drift well. I shrug my shoulders and tell them I wouldn't know, I don't drift. Then they get that puzzled look and wonder why I drive this type of car.

If anyone tries to tell me drifting is a form of racing I try my hardest not to slap them on the back of the head. There is nothing in the current (and by this I mean top end competitive drifting) form that has anything to do with racing. At best I class drifting as a competitive stunt show. Most angle, most smoke and mimicking the leader are all undefinable things. There isn't a piece of paper you can hand to me that proves that I either won or lost that round. Its peoples opinions that define if I have a good day or not and not a definable statistic.

I'm just not a fan of any "Sport" that has an undefinable reason as to why I won or lost.

This is a fairly poor opinion tbh

You have to understand that drifting is a relatively new form of motorsport (compared to drag racing and circuit racing) and it's still trying to figure out what the main premise of competion Drifting should be, depending which competion you're looking at the judging criteria is vastly different. It's not as clearly definable as who has the fastest lap time or who finishes first in a field of 25 cars.

There is definable reasons that you lost, you weren't the better driver, you didn't perform to a crowd better or you car wasn't as good. Similar to a circuit or drag racing event.

But you are correct it's not a timed racing event... yet.

You wouldn't go to figure skating and wonder why they aren't doing sprint laps.

[Matt]

Drifting is the figure skating or syncronised swimming equivalent.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.. People who drive often know if they won the battle or not before the judges do.

[AJPS]

its something fun you do with your friends in the hills, currently not suited to competition in my opinion

plenty of other quantifiable motorsports allow you to get sideways often enough

without someone who has never broken traction sitting in a commentary box 'scoring' you or someone who has bias against you -
it was well know in the SA rounds a particular FD rx7 was always progressing through to the round of 16 without possibly deserving it just to add some variety to the grid

i dont have a problem with matsuris or people who want to go to japan for a holiday to skid (even though we have good roads here) and fry tyres, i like all motoring from burnout comps to people at the royal show driving on two wheels to watching some youtube hero try and jump his car 10,000 metres but big dollar drift comps do nothing for me

[Jimmee1990]

I have to agree with Jacob on this one, there's heaps of sports with subjective judging and 95% of the time it's easy to pick a winner. There will always be arguments of bias as no one's infallible or emotionless and judging it based on set parameters like time, or angle or speed takes all the style out of it because at the end of the day that's what it's all about.

While I don't think it will ever become a recognised mainstream motorsport here in Aus, it will definitely be around for a long time to come. Not many other motorsports are as fun to watch, or as easy/cheap to start out with for anyone wanting to give it a go either.

[Mad RS]

This is a fairly poor opinion tbh

You have to understand that drifting is a relatively new form of motorsport (compared to drag racing and circuit racing) and it's still trying to figure out what the main premise of competion Drifting should be, depending which competion you're looking at the judging criteria is vastly different. It's not as clearly definable as who has the fastest lap time or who finishes first in a field of 25 cars.

There is definable reasons that you lost, you weren't the better driver, you didn't perform to a crowd better or you car wasn't as good. Similar to a circuit or drag racing event.

But you are correct it's not a timed racing event... yet.

You wouldn't go to figure skating and wonder why they aren't doing sprint laps.

Hey Jacobxxx

I think saying my opinion is poor is going a little too far. My opinion is just that, my opinion and is thus neither good nor bad.

I'm no spring chicken. I've been around the game since the late 90's but it just hasn't caught my interest to a point of wanting to participate. That is really all I am saying. Even for the fun factor it doesn't really do anything for me. I enjoy watching it, there is a definite skill to drifting but I have watched many, many passes where I thought the losing driver should have gone through to the next round but didn't. This is the main downside to competitive drifting. You are putting your competition in the hands of judges and if they don't like your pass (whether it is technically correct or not) then you don't progress.

Drifting as a fun past time, all for it. If you want to burn up tyres, create smoke and generally have a good time then who can hold you back. Once again but it is just not for me. I am in no way having a go at people that love drifting. If you love it then go for it.

Personally I love driving my $10,000 Ae86 and out running something that is $50,000+ up a hill, out corning a Evo or WRX or just out running them in a straight line. Its what get my juices flowing.