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driftke70
12th January 2009, 02:15 AM
Its pretty common knowledge that some fairly decent shocks can be had for the rear end of a e chassis, including wagon, for a pretty decent price. Obviously better stuff is on the market, such as trds tokicos etc. But here is a list of what can fit well and is more commonly available and can work for your budget or setup needs.


Measurement Guide:
Front Shocks (inserts):
Extended Length = Extended length is from the bottom of the shock, to the bottom of the thread. (Not necessarily where the top spring carrier sits.)
Body Length = Bottom of the body, to the top... pretty straight forward.
Stroke Length = Extended length - Body... again, straight forward.

Rear Shocks (eye bottom, pin top):
Extended length = Center of the eye, to the bottom of the pin.
Body Length = Bottom of the body, to the top...
Closed Length = Center of the eye, to the bottom of the pin when compressed

Front Insert Dimensions:

AE86
Body length: 402mm
Extended length: 604mm
Extended minus Body: 202mm
Outside Diameter: 43.5mm

AE92:
Body length: 336mm
Extended length: 500mm
Extended minus Body: 164mm
Outside Diameter: 43.5mm

Celica T/RA63
Body length: 405mm
Extended length: 605mm (3dr hatch maybe shorter then this)
Extended minus Body: 200mm
Outside Diameter: 43.5mm
Shaft diameter: 22mm

Corolla KE35:
Body length: 414mm
Extended length: 613mm
Extended minus Body: 199mm
Outside Diameter: 38mm

Corona TT132
Body length: 403mm
Extended length: 600mm
Extended minus Body: 197mm
Outside Diameter: 43.5mm

AW11 S/C (rear shock)
Body length: 345mm
Outside Diameter: 43.5mm

Tokico HTS
Body length: 332mm
Extended length: 476mm
Extended minus Body: 144mm
Outside Diameter: 43.5mm

Rear Shocks Dimensions:

AE86
Extended Length: 560mm
Closed Length: 335mm

Peugeot 505
Extended length: 420mm
Extended minus Body: 270mm
KYB Twin Tube (Oil) Rating (344004): 1900/600

Toyota Cressida/Mark II GX70 Station Wagon
Dimensions unknown but good for AE86 rear shock, sim to Peugeot above, maybe stiffer

Hilux (front shock)
Extended length: 420mm
KYB Monotube (Gas) Rating (KG5437): 3100/1000

Mazda RX-7 Gen 1
Extended Length: 540mm
Closed Length: 323mm

Celica T/RA63
Extended Length: 620mm
Closed Length: 320mm

'82 Camaro (16" wheels)
Extended Length: 486mm
Closed Length: 309mm

Tokico HTS
Extended Length: 455mm
Closed Length: 307.5mm

Cheaper stuff
Extended Length / Compressed length / Vehicle

564 , 339 AE86, TE72, AE95, (too long to keep lowered spring captive)
517 , 307 KE30
517 , 307 Commodore wagon 78-92 , (good fit)
504 , 314 Commodore wagon 93-97,
482 , 297 XT130, RA60, KE36, KE38, KE70 wagon & early Holden , (perfect length and fitment)
478 , 288 Escort sedan&coupe 74-82,
473 , 288 Tarago 90's ,
415 , 256 Suzuki 4WD front, (talked about)

for wagon
Try hilux rears, KG5437 length 420mm.






If you have any information post as it can be added to the list. For front end stuff it might be a good idea to separate between ke and 86 id.


beally

Robo86
12th January 2009, 03:01 AM
GOOD thread (Y)

biggo
12th January 2009, 07:32 AM
Ke70 front struts - 41mm OD

Ae86 struts - 50mm OD

Any irs rear cleica will need longer rear shocks as short stroke rears to suit ae86 are pretty short.

45aken
5th February 2009, 12:05 AM
there is a model of kyb agx that fits the ae86,
i thinks its a holden monaro or something, 8 way adjustable.
if someone knows about that it would be great

hachirusto
6th February 2009, 11:29 AM
For the front there is the Celica shocks in the agx st185 , they are a bit shorter then ae86 shocks so good for coil overs or you can use spacers to prop them up higher

45aken
8th February 2009, 09:53 PM
I should have mentioned i was talking about the rear of an 86

Rian
9th February 2009, 02:24 AM
i got a set of jag shocks from work.. they seem like theyd fit straight in..
i'll get measurements this week. rose joint bottom too.

Rian

Wally
9th February 2009, 05:48 AM
great thread driftke70.

thanks :)

adam
15th February 2009, 06:09 PM
there is a model of kyb agx that fits the ae86,
i thinks its a holden monaro or something, 8 way adjustable.
if someone knows about that it would be great

Camaro 8 way adjustables P/N: (KYB) 743019

superbmobile
22nd February 2009, 04:42 AM
cheers was wondering about shock combinations, quality thread.

45aken
2nd March 2009, 01:46 AM
Those camaro's are a direct fit?
FKN sweeeeet

Konakid
2nd March 2009, 08:25 AM
Camaro 8 way adjustables P/N: (KYB) 743019

Front or rear?

BLACK COUPE
2nd March 2009, 02:40 PM
Front or rear?

pretty sure its the rear konakid:thumbup:

Konakid
2nd March 2009, 04:30 PM
How, they are both KYB AGX?

45aken
2nd March 2009, 05:52 PM
what would you recommend then?
surely the camaro shocks cant be bad, heavier car, agx, 8 way adjustable and very similar dimensions to the tokico's

Konakid
2nd March 2009, 07:44 PM
excel g arent stiff enough for 6kg rears tho, or short enough for sub 230mm free hieghts

Nic19
2nd March 2009, 09:36 PM
what are sierra shocks like in the back or a e7? im thinking bout putting some in till i can afford some trd items. i will be running pretty short springs
cheers
nic

Konakid
2nd March 2009, 10:11 PM
Too $hort.

45aken
2nd March 2009, 11:08 PM
ajps,
what your saying is a little disjointed.

The camaro shocks at full compression are only like 2.5mm longer than the tokico HTS and extended out 30mm. i have pug 505's sitting in the car now and they're so short it's a hassle to put on 15's when the back is jacked up. i cant see a problem with the heights, and the agx's are adjustable and can be had for quite cheap.

are you saying there too soft for 6kg springs? even with the agx's?

what would you recommend then?

Jonny Rochester
2nd March 2009, 11:59 PM
Part of the first post is from what I had written somewhere. This is what I am trying now:

rear shocks:
Koni Sport (yellow) adjustable (but the compress and turn style adjustment)
to suit Paseo and '96-'99 Starlet
ext = 484mm
com = 317mm

Don't eveyone go and buy these yet, still have to test. Only got them because they were cheap on ebay (old stock) and I saw they were the right length. You have to swap the lower rubber bush.

Jonny Rochester
3rd March 2009, 12:08 AM
front shocks:
Koni Sport (yellow) adjustable
to suit Paseo and '96-'99 Starlet (lol, got cheap also)

They don't fit. But they are roughly the right lengths so I can make them fit!

Shock diameter is smaller, so would probably fit in KE70 struts also. Requires spacers and stuff like that.

Nic19
3rd March 2009, 06:43 AM
so whats the next size up from the sierra shocks if they are too short? its only a cheap setup for a track only car at the moment.

Dylan
4th March 2009, 07:29 PM
im using VS Commodore Ute (solid diff) in mine. Sierras were too short and these ended up being fine.

Anyone know the lengths of ST185 Celica (KYB p/n 365077) front shocks?

rthy
4th March 2009, 08:56 PM
anyone got the partnumber for excel g sierra shocks?

adam
4th March 2009, 09:10 PM
'ST185 Celica (KYB p/n 365077) front shocks' are 490mm extended, 346mm compressed. Cartridge size is 332mm with an OD of 44mm.


'Excel g sierra shocks' have part number 343185

Dylan
5th March 2009, 08:18 AM
thanks, really helpful

rthy
5th March 2009, 01:22 PM
Thanks

Nic19
5th March 2009, 04:22 PM
anyone using the kyb short stroke sierra's? need to know how these are front experience.
cheers
nic

Konakid
5th March 2009, 09:12 PM
Been in a car with them, valving is amazing for 6kg rears but the shocks are about 30mm too short.

Nic19
5th March 2009, 11:45 PM
well i wanna run something abit softer. want a 4kg spring, it is just a track car so u think it will be fine for track only?

Konakid
5th March 2009, 11:53 PM
Just go with the Holden wagon Excel G rear, 343113 part number, is stiff enough for 4kg for sure, i found it to be a good combo.

Mooa42
11th March 2009, 01:29 PM
Anyone know the lengths of MR2 SW20 rear shocks for use as AE86 front shocks?

Dylan
11th March 2009, 06:17 PM
^ found this in another thread


Hey people

If it helps
KYB Sw20 Mr2 back shocks are: Body L 360mm , Comp L 370mm , Extd L 542mm

Nic19
12th March 2009, 09:04 PM
what model holden wagon kona kid??

adam
12th March 2009, 09:48 PM
VB-VR rear wagon shocks

Mooa42
13th March 2009, 01:59 PM
Thanks Dylan, looks like they'll do the trick then.

nichy
19th March 2009, 02:23 PM
sorry if it has allready been said but i couldn;t find it ...

what shock will bolt into the 'Front of a ke70 ? mine a rooted

Konakid
19th March 2009, 03:04 PM
nothing worth buying, you need to change to an ae86 or t18 strut as its 2inch which gives you many more shock options.

nichy
19th March 2009, 03:21 PM
ah ok .... does this mean strut... brakes.... and what ever else?

Konakid
19th March 2009, 03:24 PM
yeah you'll need the 86 struts, brakes, brake lines, and ae86 steering arms.

Costs a bit but allows you to run Roll centre adjusters, huge range of performance shocks (TRD, Bilstein, Tokico, KYB) and springs are easier to come by, or you could turn them into coilovers.

Also gives you access to JDM vented brake rotors + calipers, and much larger range of proper performance brake pads in the ae86 size.

nichy
19th March 2009, 03:44 PM
ah well that sounds rather good...

got a rough pricing? befor i decide to do it...get my hopes up then not have enough money? i can do the work my-self... so just parts

Rian
19th March 2009, 06:01 PM
therses someone on here selling struts, brakes, shocks... basically everything but springs and tops i think.. for $200?

nichy
20th March 2009, 12:40 PM
thats not to bad..... hmmm

Konakid
20th March 2009, 12:44 PM
Thats very cheap, you wont find any cheaper than that.

Id pay 300 for ae86 struts complete, they are getting rare now.

OniBerserker
21st March 2009, 11:27 AM
whats a good short stroke shock for 86 struts that will keep a small spring captive
running compressed 6kg ajps

Konakid
21st March 2009, 12:53 PM
KYB Excel g is a good basic start, stiff enough for a 6kg but not an 8kg.

reecegze
26th April 2009, 02:16 PM
Hey guys i am making coilovers and wanting to know of any insert that will fit in to my 45mm shorten strut housing... I cant find sizes on the ones i want.. My total length of my ae86 strut is 355mm now.

Cheers
I am after the body length on these to find one to suit + spacer
Mr2 sw20 rears...
ae92 people say fit but the insert looks different on kyb diagrams
aw11 rear ?

doony
26th April 2009, 06:20 PM
whatever it is
make it short stroke.

reecegze
26th April 2009, 06:28 PM
yer i understand that but sites dont give dimension for some reason as parts are ment to go into correct car :)

NickZ
26th April 2009, 10:32 PM
Id like to know too, i have 45mm OD struts and need a short stroke insert.
im guessing we will need a 38mm OD insert, its roughly 3mm thick tube for the strut.

Mooa42
27th April 2009, 11:00 AM
Read the post!

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/showpost.php?p=45604&postcount=36

NickZ
27th April 2009, 11:33 AM
But i doesnt say the OD size of the insert.

reecegze
27th April 2009, 07:53 PM
Theres 2 others i am asking for cheers!


Read the post!

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/showpost.php?p=45604&postcount=36

flat out
12th May 2009, 12:46 PM
hey might not be of any use but st132 corona wagon rear shocks arfe perfect in a mx32 cressida, 6-7 inches shorter, and with a captive spring it will leave you about an inch of room between tyre and guard,

also sierra in ke55, leaves that at anout the same height, you need to get your flip on with the leaves tho

spoon
5th June 2009, 11:12 PM
just did a test fit of this today, vw rabbit/golf shocks fit the ae86 strut, are short stroke and are available in bilstein. im going to cut my struts to fit them tomorrow, but everything fits, not the same gland nuts though - same size but different threads (can buy ae86 gland nuts to suit tho), ill measure them up lengthwise tomorrow but i think its about 80mm shorter body than standard ae86 shocks.

GOODY
14th July 2009, 10:34 AM
Can anyone tell me the compression and rebound of the Celica 365077??? From what I've found they are similar length to trd yellows 48511-ae941 but I wanted to find out just how different they are?? Being ALOT cheaper in price I'm guessing they are nowhere near as good..?
Will be running 7kg springs on coilovers.

wanabdrifta
26th July 2009, 11:29 PM
i will be using sw20 shocks in my corona struts once they are shortened and coilover sleeves welded on with 6kgs

and rear commo wagon shocks with 4kgs

Low Style
6th August 2009, 09:08 AM
what model shocks for the back of a RA60?
and what model ford springs?

Rice86
16th October 2009, 11:48 AM
read most this thread a few times but still dont know wtf to use, these are my springs in my car and would like to know best option to work with these springs

Front AJPS springs 8kg 210mm

AJPS rear springs 6kg 220mm

Front shocks - whats good for these springs? is there any DIY jobs that needs to be done with the shocks you have mentioned

Rear shocks - whats good for these springs? is there any DIY jobs that needs to be done with the shocks you have mentioned

shift_rook
16th October 2009, 12:30 PM
depends budget and what you wanna use the car for

Rice86
16th October 2009, 12:43 PM
*sigh*...

budget for FRONT shocks is from $1-$1000
Budget for REAR shocks is from $1-$1000

so what shit can i get...from cheapest budget saving to best from my wallet?..

remember, has to suit my spring rates...

Front AJPS springs 8kg 210mm

AJPS rear springs 6kg 220mm

car is used for everything, im not a PRO D1 drifter so please keep that in mind i dont need epic 64 way adjustable shock with in-built neon lights =p, although that would be sweet

shift_rook
16th October 2009, 12:55 PM
i've put this on here before but those adjustable dampers are a big wank, if it had adjustment for rebound and compression in 2 different dials it'd be better but it's the fact every shock seems to only have 1, which is pointless, bilsteins, redamped to suit your car, or somethin you can pull apart and re valve. i've recommended bilsteins about 20 times on this forum haha

shift_rook
16th October 2009, 12:56 PM
at the most basic suggestioon at least get a monotube damper

Rice86
16th October 2009, 01:23 PM
lol im not really understanding...

i just want to know what shocks and shit i should be using as
Front AJPS springs 8kg 210mm
AJPS rear springs 6kg 220mm
makes my car almost to the point u can say its slammed on its nuts...

so..short shocks....what short stroke shocks can i use for FRONT and REAR that will work well with the springs i have...

that was all i was asking =.='''

Konakid
16th October 2009, 02:30 PM
speak to AJPS, run short stroke bilsteins.

shift_rook
16th October 2009, 02:40 PM
konakids got it, i might be able to get you a good price if you're in vic

Rice86
16th October 2009, 02:58 PM
cool..short stroke bilsteins

shift rook, im in sydney =[...do you have like a part number or something?..

shift_rook
16th October 2009, 03:28 PM
my dad used to work at a distributor so i can get cost. giving you a part number wouldn't really help you, i'm pretty sure you've got a good distributor for them in sydney, google it, i'm sure they'd be able to give you a hand, alternatively i'm sure dave could also give you a good deal

Rice86
16th October 2009, 04:01 PM
cool, will snoop around for best price now

thanks fellas

ae86
16th October 2009, 05:25 PM
i cant see the point of adjustable shocks imo,
i got them all around and how many times do i go under the car to change them ? when i first got them and never went back, but that may just be me on my own,
for a decent budget on shocks id go
ST185 KYB AGX short stroke adjustable fronts,
TRD blues brand new if you got access, that shock setup should be obtainable around $800 all up

Rice86
16th October 2009, 06:16 PM
i cant see the point of adjustable shocks imo,
i got them all around and how many times do i go under the car to change them ? when i first got them and never went back, but that may just be me on my own,
for a decent budget on shocks id go
ST185 KYB AGX short stroke adjustable fronts,
TRD blues brand new if you got access, that shock setup should be obtainable around $800 all up

thanks man...will take note of this for sure

shift_rook
16th October 2009, 06:34 PM
the problem with the AGX's is they're twin tube, tiny little piston that doesn't really breathe, i've never been in a car with agx's but with twin tubes of that size piston i find they aren't very progressive, very harshe and i can get bilsteins cheaper than AGX's or trd shocks anyway

ae86
17th October 2009, 05:22 PM
dont know much bout bilsteins they rebuildable from most local shops ? thats why i chose kybs and they seem fine to me, not as good as trd but still very damn good and prices vary from where you get the shocks from lets say i got them at a price some people pay for excel-G models.

thepunisher
15th November 2009, 08:46 PM
what model hilux shocks fit the rear of a ke?

djscheppy
16th November 2009, 06:03 PM
ive chucked on tokico hts and 6/4kg ajps springs. not too dumped, wheels still move fine and all that, not to mention shocks come with a pimpin' adjusta-key.

Clinton
17th November 2009, 09:33 PM
what do you guys think will keep 200mm rear springs captive? Besides sierras...

GEMTA22
17th November 2009, 10:56 PM
Will short stroke Tokicos give travel at 200mm ?
Not sure what options there are at 200mm ?

Be keen to know.

ae86
18th November 2009, 04:24 PM
dno but my kyb super series have traveled at 180mm before, got 200mm's in now.

shawn_26
16th December 2009, 10:04 PM
Hey, My current AE86 setup is:

Front: TRD Greens, coilovers, 8kg spring, wound all the way down
Rear: TRD Greens, 6kg/200mm spring, real low.

Handles like arse. I know the TRD Greens are too long, looking at going short stroke. Would like Tokico HTS 102's, but not keen on the the price. What is a good alternative, that will offer similar performance? Heard good things about KYB AGX's.

Want it pretty stiff, as Its used for drift. Adjustability would be good.

teh luckinator
18th July 2010, 06:28 PM
I've been doing some research, here's some I have to add to the list, sorry if some have been listed already, just copy pasting:

Chevy 2500 shocks:

Max Length – 339.09mm

Min Length – 228.854mm



TRD light blues, 48531-AE831:

Max Length – 473mm

Min Length – 293mm



YZ Circuit Shocks:

Max Length – 327mm

Min Length – 220mm

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KYB GAS-A-JUST Tacoma 1998 Front Shocks:

Max Length - 361.95mm

Min Length - 245.11mm

-

KYB KG5519 Ford Thunderbird Gas-a-just:

Max Length - 451.104

Min Length - 280.924

-

AGX CAMARO:

Max Length - 513.08mm

Min Length - 308.102mm

-

HTS:

Front:

Max Length - 476mm

Min Length - 144mm?

Body Length - 332mm

Rear:

Max Length - 455mm

Min Length - 307.5mm

blair
11th November 2010, 10:42 PM
'ST185 Celica (KYB p/n 365077) front shocks' are 490mm extended, 346mm compressed. Cartridge size is 332mm with an OD of 44mm.


can anyone confirm this? and is that for the AGX adjustables or just kyb replacement?

Trying to find the shortest ones possible (the dimensions given for these are shorter than mr2?) but seem to be hitting dead ends with misleading information?

slydar
14th November 2010, 01:14 PM
man just buy them off ant. its that simple.

ke70dave
14th November 2010, 03:47 PM
or find out for yourself so you know its correct.

best bet to ring kyb blair.

the internets is full of misleading info.

blair
15th November 2010, 01:56 PM
man just buy them off ant. its that simple.

Not that simple actually bro, already handed cash over to order them in.

ChuingBeans
13th December 2010, 03:14 PM
at the most basic suggestioon at least get a monotube damper

This is what I was looking at doing, a pair of Bilstein monotubes. Would you be kind enough to point me the right direction on where to source some in Melb?

bigm
11th March 2012, 10:40 AM
thought this website may be useful to a few people, it lists shock lengths for almost all shocks.

http://www.autopartsdirect2u.com.au