for the haters -ft86 panda

[redsprinter]

http://noriyaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/noriyaro_option_cover.jpg

http://noriyaro.com/?p=4232#comments

that is all ...

edit my bad if its already been posted.... just saw it this morning and was like WOW!! that works.

can some one do photochop of using a real pic of the ft86

[Vance]

been posted in a few threads already.


concept art is just that, concept art. looks like it work, but why wouldnt it? body styling is much like an ae86 anyway, just with modern touches

[drift kid]

i fail to see any styling cues from the original ae86, please correct me if i am wrong but it looks nothing like it and has a boxer engine if i have been informed correctly, not much in common if you ask me. i am not a hater though, i think it is a very nice looking car and could quite possibly be a massive hit once it is released.

[redsprinter]

keep in mind this the ae86 is 20ish year old technology and styling ...

this is supposed to be an updated model of 20 year old car... roof lining and bonnet still share a similiar style . i rather it look like this then a blurry factory riced up modernize ae86

eg. new r35 .. compare to r34 . they share the similar tail lights, bonnet grills and similiar drivetrain .. but are completely 2 different cars .. 370z and 240z agian rwd .similiar roof lines and bonnet design .. but are agian two different cars . and lastly compare a 89model supra and its last 99 model they are agian very different cars .

i love our beloved 86 for what it is but can also appreciate the new ft86..

not to sure what the point of this post was but yeah ... dont get what all the fuss and hate is for the ft86

i guess you hate it or love it ... im sure you know which side of the fence i sit at ... (in a hippi voice ) just sharing the love mann ...

[drift kid]

but i think toyota could have used more styling cues from the original ae86 to make it better. ok take for instance the camaro from back in the 60/70s, it has now got a completely new design of car, yet the new model still retains some of the original camaro's style, the grill and headlight area still have similarities aswell as the kink in the body line just after the door under the rear quarter windows, this was kept in the new concept model, so did the vents just infront of the rear guards. there are allot of similarities that were passed through from the old to the new, i fail to see why toyota could not have done a better job here, i personally dont think that it should bear the now famed 86 numbers, it just lacks styling from the original. again, this is all my own opinion.

http://www.chevroletcamaro.info/images/camaro3.jpg

http://www.wyldsyd.com/images/2008_camaro/2008camaro_0013.jpg

[todd]

drift kid, you are tripping off your nut.

[Rice86]

Here lies 2 red panda 86

both has head lights at same corner

both has same indicators on bars

both toyota

one is 1983-1987

one is concept and in the process of being affordable for ur own arse...:hehe:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/842/asfasfo.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/asfasfo.jpg/)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5452/2238398415160a6c323d.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/2238398415160a6c323d.jpg/)

done and dusted

[Rice86]

sorry my mistake

i actually need a red panda kouki ae86

if u look into details like drift kid....the front bar on the FT86, the top part is painted red as to the body colour...the zenki truenos bar is black on the top, so its completely uncomperable at all

[ke_70]

the two cars look nothing alike at all

[Chairs with flares]

but i think toyota could have used more styling cues from the original ae86 to make it better. ok take for instance the camaro from back in the 60/70s, it has now got a completely new design of car, yet the new model still retains some of the original camaro's style, the grill and headlight area still have similarities aswell as the kink in the body line just after the door under the rear quarter windows, this was kept in the new concept model, so did the vents just infront of the rear guards. there are allot of similarities that were passed through from the old to the new, i fail to see why toyota could not have done a better job here, i personally dont think that it should bear the now famed 86 numbers, it just lacks styling from the original. again, this is all my own opinion.

http://www.chevroletcamaro.info/images/camaro3.jpg

http://www.wyldsyd.com/images/2008_camaro/2008camaro_0013.jpg

That depends if Toyota intended it to be a 'once off' retro revival or a sustainable product line.

While a retro styled version would keep with the looks of the original, there is no where left for the model to evolve. Take the VW New Beetle; it was extremely unconventional compared to similar cars of that era (late 90's) and it's about to be ended after a little over 10 years of production. There was no real direction in which they could take the design; but that wasn't too much of a financial hit for VW since it was pretty much a re-shelled Mk4 Golf anyway. It's the same problem they're having with the new Mustang; it's been out long enough that there's nowhere else to go with the design language so they keep tweaking it every year and sell it off as the new, better version.

So Toyota develops a new FT86 platform that's visually descendent from the AE86; where do they take it after 5-6 years of production? Re-shell the updated platform with new engines while the enthusiasts scream, or scrap it and end up not selling enough to make a profit (AE86 fanbase compared to VW Beetle/T1 fanbase). Alter it a little and make it a FT92?

This way, while the purists whine in a far off carpark deep in the hills, Toyota can actually make some profits off it.

My $0.02 anyway... :yeah:

[lolwat]

it was never going to look alike toyota designed the AE86, toyota and subaru designed the new one, never going to look the same, the engine isnt even a toyota re badged suby

[genkin]

Let's just imagine that Toyota continued designing new RWD 'AE86' every few years instead of stopping continued production back in 87. Would the current design resemble the mid 80s design? I would say not. Other than being a small sized RWD 'sports' car, not much would be similar.
Take the FWD Corollas for instance... does a mid 80s corolla (AE82) resemble the current model Corollas? No.

[redsprinter]

chair with flares ... my thoughts exactly . you just put it in a better way . damn my Asian heritage and lack of Engrish . .

[(OO)SKYLINE(OO)]

I must say, the new AE86 looks bloody mean and tuff as!

The front just looks so aggressive.

I wouldn't mind owning one.

[Rice86]

I must say, the new AE86 looks bloody mean and tuff as!

The front just looks so aggressive.

I wouldn't mind owning one.

+++++++1

[Richard]

im sittin on the fence on this one there are both good points about how the car "evolved" on how it would look today.
But i still find it hard to see any simliarities besides panda paint job

[flamingheads]

I think right now car designs are kind of re-doing 60's/70's style. That era is the car fashion at the moment but the 80's boxyness still isn't mainstream cool. I don't think they could've taken much at all from the old 86 and still had something that looked current & decent.
I think the back and wheels arches looks pretty 70's and it has watanabes in that pic.
Maybe in 10 years the 80's look will be cool and they can really re-do it like the original.
That's how I see it anyway.

I like the concept and hope it turns out looking something like that. If it's a light rwd that handles nicely I'll be a fan. For me that's the 86 legacy.

[Chairs with flares]

I think right now car designs are kind of re-doing 60's/70's style. That era is the car fashion at the moment but the 80's boxyness still isn't mainstream cool. I don't think they could've taken much at all from the old 86 and still had something that looked current & decent.
I think the back and wheels arches looks pretty 70's and it has watanabes in that pic.
Maybe in 10 years the 80's look will be cool and they can really re-do it like the original.
That's how I see it anyway.

I like the concept and hope it turns out looking something like that. If it's a light rwd that handles nicely I'll be a fan. For me that's the 86 legacy.

The 60's/70's were when the baby boomer generation developed enough financial independence to be able to afford cars, and that buying power combined with lax regulations meant manufacturers were more than happy to provide custom options at a premium, knowing that there were buyers (look up Chevrolet C.O.P.O options).

Now the baby boomer generation are nearing retirement and are again ready to splurge on toys. This newfound buying power of a generation has developed a market for retro styled machines from the 60's/70's as they look to recapture their youth. This also (somewhat) applies to the MINI and New Beetle, as well as (although a sales failure) the PT Cruiser.

In tough economic times, it's also financially wise to rely on a few solid products rather than many experimental ones. The 60's/70's was an automotive golden era, after a full recovery from WW2 and was the peak of automotive developement right before the oil crisis of the 70's. These retro machines are a hark back to the old days; the golden years of the marques and their peaks on technological breakthroughs.

Many other manufacturers that did not choose to develop a retro model gave famous old nameplates to their new models, like Pontiac did with the Monaro based GTO.

I personally won't be holding my breath for a mid 80's revival as there was no particularly strong trend or any precipitating events for many manufacturers to follow a common theme in developement. The late 80's/early 90's will be held in high regard as the years of huge technological advance in car technology. This never seen before technological leap which can be attributed to the economic boom at the time spurred the developement of the last (IMO) real drivers' supercars such as the Ferrari F40/50, McLaren F1 and Porsche 959; with Japan also bringing their A-game with the R32 Skyline GTR, Honda NSX and Mk4 Toyota Supra.

So what does this lead to in the future? IMO, the recent re-emergence of the hot hatch as a result of the heightened awareness of global warming will be seen as the survival of the sports cars through the current tough times. You have to admit; the last 5 years have been a pretty boring automotive era (with the exception of the Veyron) as manufacturers cut product lines and focus more on core values. Survival was the main goal, often at the expense of heritage, such as Porsche with the Cayenne and Panamera and BMW with the 1-Series.

I predict the next 5 years will also go down in history as the re-emergence of the car as a luxury toy after the just-passed economic downturn as manufacturers are willing to take on more risk again (much like the 60's/70's), with examples being the japanese marques being game enough to develop a whole new sports car after the drought of the early 2000's (Nissan GTR, Lexus LFA, whatever Honda does to match).

But that's just me... :DD

More oddball retro;

1953 C1 Corvette
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3164/3289766176_023c998214.jpg

1997 C5 'Retro' Corvette (Rebody)
http://image.vetteweb.com/f/8849905+w750+st0/0302vet_03z+chevrolet_corvette_c5_retro+front_view .jpg

1955 Ford Thunderbird
http://www.edmunds.com/media/advice/specialreports/instant.car.classics/55.ford.thunderbird.500.jpg

2003 'Retro' Thunderbird (Stock)
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/advice/specialreports/instant.car.classics/04.ford.thunderbird.500.jpg

[Rice86]

^^^ wow they are ugly

and it doesnt look like it will perform any better then the original builds..