The evorolla

[J0RD0]

Introducing the EVOROLLA

1982 KE70 + EVO 7 4G63

the car isnt anything special at the moment, i bought it off some old fart from the southside (qld) who bought it off the original owner. When i got it it had 129 xxx ks and was stock as a rock. It had all of the mudflaps, venetian's and auto! and I happened to pick it up for $1000 with couple of months rego left on it. After owning the celica (RA23 1JZ VVTi) for a while i didnt like the fact that it was never going to handle as good as many other car's i could have owned/built so i decided to do something completely different to whats been done before. The main reason i chose the 4G63 is because i really thought there is no better 2ltr 4cyl motor out there bang for buck. There are a huge rang of upgrading engine parts available as well as 2.2 to 2.4ltr stroker kits. The clyinder heads are one of the best flowing heads ive heard of from stock and they have huge potential should i ever want to squeeze everything out of it. But the aim now is to just focus on getting it all running and then go from there. I also chose the 2nd gen evo motor because the exhaust is on the passenger side of the car which will be much easier for the conversion because i wont have to worry about heat shielding the masters and have tight passage for the exhaust dodging the steering and swapping sides, and it also has a decent factory power output of 206kw at the flywheel!

The ke70 will remain a stock daily for the mean time while i pick up a roller hopefully sometime this week and start on the conversion and once its all done it will all be swapped over. In the mean time, when or if i ever get the time im going to try and re-start on the panel work after not being able to continue because of the constant rain lately, the panels have started to rust up :mad:

So today i went and picked up the 4G63 . . . pfffffft who needs a trailer :P rear mounted 4G63 corolla FTW!!!

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parts ive aquired so far

evo 7 4G63 with said 35 000 ks on it, i believe it after stripping the motor down today, so very very clean and almost 0 corrosion. Im not sure but does the sticker on the cam gear cover say its had its 10 000k service???

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W58
S13 lca's, knuckles, spindles
S14 5 stud hubs and factory 16" wheels
R33 front rotor's 297ml, 4 piston calipers and BM44 brake master
Cusco Z1 front coilovers
Blitz 450 x 300 x 76 cooler
APJS rear spring adjusters

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Im currently waiting on a bellhousing which will be coming from the states, the bellhousing still needs to be finshed which needs to be machined and drilled. The bellhousing has been designed really really well and is well priced too. I rang dellow first and i think they wanted $750 for a kit which was a whole lot of custom made parts and they didnt have any in stock at the time so i would of had to get group buy happening. So i started looking for other options and then i found this guy after a bit of searching http://www.billsautofab.com/ . He's basically designed it to suit both gen's (evo 1 - 3 and 4 - 9) and so you can use stock supra and evo parts - this explains alot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvjLuQP8V0A.

wishlist or parts I still have to obtain are -

Hilux diff, I'll be running MA70 disc's on the rear
some decent springs and shocks for the rear
custom tailshaft
Aftermarket ecu of some sort
AE71 pedal box, clutch master
custom clutch & pressure plate
upgrade the radiator
Greddy type RS BOV (plumback)
Some sort of legal air box
I/C pipework
decent fuel system
a tune and then skids!

[J0RD0]

It looks like ive got my work cut out for me for converting the engine to RWD

First up is the plenum, it looks as if i'll have to go a complete custom one made becuase the original plan was to cut n shut it but looking at the runner's they seem to be shorter at the front of the motor so i dont think it will work. I guees there is no down side to this, it will look 10 times better and flow shiteloads more, i'll throw on an XF throttle as well. However the factory injector's are 560cc item so that wont have to be touched . . yay!

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then im going to be getting some custom rwd water lines made, its actually going to be alot easier than i thought, i used the gasket from here and i'll send it away and get a flange made and buy some pipework, cut it up and mark it all out and get it tig'd up! too easy

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Im going to be tossing up between getting a adaptor made for the stock ex mani or buying a cheap ebay manifold and cutting and turning the flange around 180 degree's. Im thinking more to the ebay one as it will complement the engine a bit better but im hoping it wont crack and leak. I was actually worried at first because the turbo sits quite close to the block and wouldnt leave much room for the custom engine mounts made. I really want to stick with the TD05 just for the response. But turning the turbo around i found its actually on a slight angle and will (hopefully) give me enough room for the plates to be made.

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I dont think i have to but im going to cut this factory fwd setup engine mount off as it pokes out and looks a little ugly

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[--Redwork--]

You may run into troble running that stock manifold with the turbo just turned 180.. may end up being to wide and foulling the strut tower...

And I'm sure a good alloy fabricator could sort you out a flange and weld it too your stock manifold.. Similiar to the way ppl to the 4a cut and shuts.. Probably be even easier if your converting to a simple throttle body like the falcon unit... But why your want to go a 70mm throttle when you plan on retaining the stock turbo.?. Really no need and your just lossing response by doing so..

4g's are really kewl engines..strong as.. Hardly ever see them converted to rwd... Should be a mad project...

[sun_moon]

oh yes ! i love seeing cars without 4ages. this thing will be awesome.

[R&D Mechanical]

Interesting! should be great when its done dont give up!
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[Juturna]

4g63's are easy the best 2lt 4cyl made. flow bench a head next to an sr or something and youll see.
that front engine mount should come off if i remember? its been a while though.
get a custom exhaust manifold man, sit the turbo where you want etc. these things LOVE long tuned length runners.

[ke_70]

loled so hard at the first pic

i would lose my shit if i was following that

am going to follow this!

[Brendan]

love it man, its great to see something other than a 4A...

[J0RD0]

redwork - wont know until i get the shell and bellhousing. I thought the XF throttle was 65ml, in my opinion 65ml would be sweet size for 2ltr any bigger and yeah it would be a lil silly. If im going to get a custom plenum made i would be stupid to stick with the stock throttle. Besides which i dont plan on running the tdo5 forever, will be upgrading to 30/71 or 30/76 at some stage.

AE70 - I havent even started yet, lol

thanks for the comments guys, cant wait til this is up and running - should be nice mountain goat

[benzo]

Will keep my eye on this

[Todd]

me too! has super potential. want to see whats needed to complete the swap :)

[86TRD]

haha awesome , as will i be keeping a close eye on this , the front engine mount is more then likely just bolted on , no need for cutting.

[4agte70]

I always said a 4G63 in a setup KE would be the ultimate, Having experienced 4Gs in the past i believe they are the best 4 cyl for sure, The TD05H would be a perfect choice for response and up to 200rwkw but if your chasing more id suggest a turbo swap and look into aftermarket cams. be a tuff car once finished. I could chase up a W series to 4G63 belhousing adaptor if your interested.

[gaz20v]

my dream conversion!!

have you explored the option of using an evo1-3 version plenum??? being that these dont require cut and shut as the engine is the other way around. I have HEARD that people have used evo4-9 on 1-3 engines when converting to rwd. Dont quote me on it though as i havent seen a successful outcome in real life!! maybe you could measure one up if theres one lying around??

[J0RD0]

86TRD - it is bolted on but its supporting a whole bunch of idlers and pulley's so id have to space them all out if i were to remove it. Its a conversion so there's going to be alot of sparks flying

4AGTE70 - cams are definately on the wish list but i want to focus on getting it running first. If you have a read through the first page its got a couple of links for the bellhousing that im ordering. Here's its current state -

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If anyones interested he has just got ten made up last week and i dont think there going to last long so get in now if your keen. He quoted me US $250 for the bell and US $150 for shipping, if you ask me thats a pretty good price!

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gaz20v - thanks for the heads up, i didnt think of that ill have to look into it.

[Hokey]

if you don't mind me asking, what did the motor cost you

[J0RD0]

the motor was 2800, they guy originally wanted 3200, how ever it was f*#@in cheap as considering the k's on it. By far the most expensive piece of the conversion and much more expensive than a 4A/CA/SR/3S but it will be well worth it in the long run.

[sun_moon]

agreed far more worth it in the long run.

everyone puts 4ages in there car. sure 20 years ago 4age were a quick engine, but now days a stock mazda three is proberly quicker.

do it once and do it right. you made a good choice with the evo motor. what is the ESTIMATED amount you extect this swap to cost ?

[J0RD0]

im hoping to get it all running and blueplated for under 10 grand, i will be doing as much of the labour myself as possible, that is except the wiring and plenum

[twisted2]

nice engine choice should be weapon when its finnished

[Breaka]

This will be sick. Thread subscribed.

[Pidgey]

Please keep this posted!
Although I am a fan for natrually aspirated power, much respect for 4G63T. Will be scary as when finished.

[timmeh12]

defiantly following this one

[J0RD0]

This was my inspiration for the build, it used to belong to a mate of mine, was only making 260hp and weighed about the same as a KE but beat most things that came up next to it, and fuck did this thing get sideways ALOT!! Its actually a lancer but if you ask me it looks like a cross between a AE71 front with a meteor rear end. This was stripped down to make way fro a series 6 13BT but never happened and was sold back to the original owner and is now apparently about to recieve a full house 2JZ so if you see it on the street soon dont even bother to race it.

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[daltrim]

This is one i will be watching , awesome conversion choice.

[sleeperketo70]

WOW! you are gona scare some skyline's taking off next to them in this try and hide the intercooler and leave the paint, the most crazy of crazy sleepers! will defs be keeping my eye on this. keep up the good work mate

[J0RD0]

Enter the BLUE DRAGON!!!

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I picked this thing up lastnight for free of course.

The unfortunate thing about this poor little ke70 is that its only got 120 000 ks on it, the previous owner took the engine out 12 years ago and then hid it behind a mango tree and forgot about it. It is actually very straight but 12 years of weather didnt do it any good.

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I managed to squeeze in some time to make up a home made flange for the rear water outlet out of some 6 ml alloy plate, bought some 40ml mandrel bends to finish up the rest of the system when time permits.

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It turns out the 7MGTE 5 puck excedy clutch i had for sale was a perfect size and fit for the rwd conversion, only needed to get the flywheel re-drilled and a hole machined for the spigot bearing. That has shaved nearly $1000 off the conversion. BARGAIN!

Also thanks to someone on here who gave me a heads up, the evo 3 standard inlet manifold bolts straight up to the evo 7, For those who dont know the evo 3 engine has the inlet and exhaust on opposite sides so the throttle will be facing to the front of the engine. Although there is a bit of port matching to be done and there are no injector holes so some bosses will have to be welded in and mounts for the fuel rail. I have actually decided against getting a custom inlet manifold due to the fact that i'll loose a fair amount of mid range torque. Power is good but torque is better.

[keimeier]

coming along nicely dude fuck thats a bit of rust mate...

[J0RD0]

It was only a matter of time before something went wrong with this project, it was coming along waaaayy to easy. I have just found out the bellhousing i had on order will NOT bolt up to the evo 7 block. I must have misread/misunderstood its suitability range.

However there are still a few other options on the table when it comes to gearbox choice although there alot more expensive than the old el cheapo w58 box considering i just sent the clutch and flywheel off to get mated.

Option 1 - same guy (bill hincher) offers a r154 to 4G63 narrow block 4G63

Option 2 - different mob offers a adaptor plate to suit a T56 for the narrow block 4G63

either way is going to cost me a couple of grand more out of the original budget i had set, which in turn means its going to take longer.

I think id rather the T56 as its a six speed and is a bit stronger than the R154 and shifts alot smoother.

Today's efforts gave me a chance to see how well the motor will sit in the engine would fit in the corolla. So far it looks good with only the oil filter sitting a bit close to the sway bar. The engine plates i made up line up really well with the crossmember and good clearance both sides and at the back of the motor.

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I went shopping last night and scored a stinger 4424 for $450, got to be happy with that. I also spoke to the stinger supplier and can get a evo 7 base map loaded onto it.

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[4agte70]

I like this build and where its going, cant wait to see some more progress

[ke_70]

motor looks at home there

spewing bout the gb what r you guna do with the old bell?

[J0RD0]

never got it, was about 1hr off from paying for it when i mentioned what gen motor i had he told me it wouldnt work

[joeschmo_57]

the win levels are going through the roof.

[MINIHORSE]

this motor combo is an excellent idea....theres a guy (ex team ralliart) in adel with a 6.5 4G63 in a sprinter

[J0RD0]

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couldnt help myself, i can still be a child.

Ok bad to worse, W58 bellhousing wont work, evo 3 inlet manifold wont work - too expensive to modify a cheap manifold, rather put the money to a good manifold, and the turbo will hit the strut tower! F#@*in C^%T B$#!H S+^T F#@*IN. So for everyone watching this build hoping it'll be an easy one or cheap . . . The simple answer is NO!!! However if you have your own shop with lots of tools, a tig and lots of alloy and stainless this would be a walk in the park.

Rang Marks adaptor's today hoping they would do a one off, NO.

Hit old Bill up for a one off adaptor, havent heard anything back, assuming NO.

so 4AGTE70 pm'd

[spiderman]

www.austarion.com for rwd conversion info :thumbup: There's a few guys on there who either make or can get RWD conversion bits. It's a fairly common conversion to Starions etc. but they use VR4-EvoIII motors as they have the exhaust on the correct side and the RWD mount points are still on the block etc
You may have to channel the firewall to fit the CAS in. It doesn't fit in a Starion, and a keto is somewhat smaller.

[J0RD0]

thanks for that mate, plenty of room at the back of the motor for the c.a.s

[--Redwork--]

I thought you could use RWD sigma gearbox on the 4g engine.... this may be only for the older gen's though.. Plus there probably shit and would fall to peices..

[J0RD0]

you are correct, they only suit 1 - 3 evo's and they can only take a mild amount of punishment

[sundee]

subscribed! freaken winnah

[rolledup]

intersting, different but interesting. Gnna be watching this :)

[J0RD0]

Ok i seem to be having some trouble finding one the most throw-awyable parts to come from a KE70, Guys i know this isnt a wtb section but if anyone knows where there's a non rusted KE70 crossmember for free or who wants very minimal $$$ for it in the brisbane area please let me know as the one in the blue shell has too much rust and is not worth saving or modifying. PLEASE SUPPORT THE EVOROLLA PROJECT AND HELP A BROTHER OUT!!!

[keimeier]

maybe a wrecker. they should have one for fuck all. if u were in adelaide id give u mine

[J0RD0]

pffffftt $88 for a crossmember, If i were selling one i wouldnt be asking any more than $10

[keimeier]

really thats a joke fair enough mate hope u find one. want to see more progress on the creation :)

[blair]

$88? even for pick-a-part? sheesh!

this thing will be tops if/when finished :) 4g63 looks so menacing in RWD format

[doots]

would it be worth a custom sigma box and downgrading to the older gen?
try n make some money back on the engine youve got :p
that lancer is sick too. nearly did a 4g63 conversion on my old s13 but my mate was just floating crap around about it haha.
just be patient and dont give up cos youll regret that so much more.

[J0RD0]

ha ha, i AINT giving up nor am i selling the evo 7 motor. $2800 for a 35 000k 7 motor, nah this one's a keeper. I rang dellow last week and it looks as if they have a bell on the shelf that needs finishing so i may be getting confirmation early next week to see if this will definately fit the w58, if not its a T56 and a whole lot of waiting for more money to be saved. EVOROLLA for life yo!

[J0RD0]

hmmmm thinking i might notice a slight increase in the braking department . . . .

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Also we have a slight problem, i cant even get the damn stock s14 wheel (16") under the guard!!!! way too fricken low, that was with the height adjusted all the way down.

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Suggestion's people's?

[ke_70]

15s dont fit over?
id try and get 4 stud brakes as well if you can would just be easier in the end to find rims. but ive never really looked for 5 stud wheels before

[shift_rook]

hepas of epic 5 stud wheels, 15x absolutely huge too, though with the sil front end it might be a bit to big, but anywhoo, i always see nice 5 studders on yahoo, it certainly doesn't limit your options, what size rims do you want to run?

[J0RD0]

i believe 16" is the smallest wheel i can go over the 33 brakes. Im staying 5 stud because im putting a hilux rear end in and am keeping that 5 stud as well. There are heaps more options for 5 stud wheels that 4 stud, and everyone who has a nice set of 4 stud wheels of whatever wants big dollars for them and thinks they are sitting on a gold mine or something where as you find the same wheels in 5 stud there half the price.

[ke_70]

ignore me then lol :P

are they hitting the guard or the chassis?

[J0RD0]

the gaurd, i couldnt even get them half way in lol, i have a mate coming round tomorrow with some stock s13 struts to see if they fit any better.

[ke_70]

s13 stuffs real low
even standed s13 struts in my bros laurel he was almost tucking tyre

[sundee]

im not being rude at all man, im really looking foward to seeing this conversion take place, but i dont know why so many guys go the S13 front. control arms way to long, strut assy way to short, as you have just found out.
if you want big brakes look at my build thread, you can go nissan brakes on ST141 struts on 86 or rona or sigma LCA's with a few conversion parts i sell, very similar KPI to ae86, and 296mm and 33 calipers should fit under 15's, i have R32 and 280mm rotors and their is a stack of room under my 15's, i would go 33 with an adapter that can be brought off shelf if i had them, as the R32 stuff you need a 5mm slip for clearance.

you get the big brakes, you have all the correct bump and tavel in the shocks, heaps of height adjustment, correct ackerman, heaps of lock... no need for S13 stuff

[sundee]

edit!

[J0RD0]

no offence taken, i had no idea the s13 stuff was so low and i went down that path because it was soo cheap but like you said now im finding out the hard way. I'll have a look at your thread but im pretty keen on sticking with the r33 brakes as i really want this thing to stop on a dime.

[Stain]

Also we have a slight problem, i cant even get the damn stock s14 wheel (16") under the guard!!!! way too fricken low, that was with the height adjusted all the way down.

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I assume you've tried raising the lock rings up as high as they go to get more front height/clearance?

[Kalby]

i have sr20det brakes and it stops perfectly man.
and as for suspension thats weird it should be able to go high enough i see you have height adjustment same as mine and mine goes hell high or that low that rails sit on ground and tire bout inch off of ground :P:P

Good build btw

[corknose]

lol plus one for that!!^^

[sundee]

You might find also that with the S13 gear you will be lacking in the droop department. I wanna see this engine running! Are you going dry sump? Or you going to risk enielating that super low sump? Hehe

[J0RD0]

s13 coilover's sold, will go down a different path, not sure what yet but first things first. Need to get a bell or adaptor to suit a fucken rwd gearbox! Dellow automotive's bells do not suit evo 7's

[--Redwork--]

Choose a gearbox and get an adaptor plate made.??? Or get cut and shut done on the bell housing...?
Least with either of those 2 options you get to chose an apropriate box...

I've decided my next big project MUST have a dogbox.. their so freakin cool... mmmm flat shifts.

[J0RD0]

i have chosen a gearbox and it was the w58 but all the bellhousings out there dont suit an evo 7/8/9. My last resort will be one of these > https://secure.buschurracing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1520

But i really dont want to as i already have a w58 and a custom clutch already to go! Does anyone know anyone out there that would do a one off adapter for my 7 motor to a w58? im sure if whoever would make 1 they could make many more and im sure they would sell! I have tried mark's adapter's, dellow, crs, bill hincher. There has got to be someone out there???

[egg_83]

have to tried asking buscherracing if they can do a adaptor for the w5* to 4g. It could be a possibility if you haven't tried

[J0RD0]

lol i just sent them an e-mail asking exactly that.

[J0RD0]

does anyone want the blue shell i have here? need to get rid of it asap . . . its free! only 120 000ks lol im in brisbane

[fantapants]

how bad is the rust in the passenger doors bud?

[Nicko]

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[J0RD0]

he he, yeah its pretty bad. Depends tho . . . . how good are you with a welder? anything's fixable to a certain point

[J0RD0]

ok time for a small update i guess. Alot of things have changed direction on this car lately this is why its not rocketing along as i first thought. For starters the blue shell is getting the flick, reason being is the car is literally falling to pieces and it doesnt even move! I have picked up an ae71 manual cheap that will be the new shell for the install. Another reason is that the blue shell had been sitting for that long that if i were to get everything running in it i think all the rust and shit in the lines and tank wouldnt be any good for my 35000k motor.

Also as of this morning a gearbox choice has finally been made and that will be the mighty R154, bellhousing has been paid for and should be here in 7 - 10 days though i still have to pick a gearbox up itself in the meantime. Kinda glad i had to go R154 because i can throw everything the 4g63 has at it and it will take it just fine. Another upside is the clutch I had made for the w58 is the same spline so it will still be used.

Lastly the original idea for cutting the flange off the 7 manifold and welding it onto the evo 3 manifold will be getting done, found someone who will be cheaper than the original guy who first quoted me and he didnt give me excuses on why he didnt want to do it himself or me to get it done, which is good. The manifold should be ready tomorrow.

I also bought a staino exhaust manifold and dump and have cut the flange off to turn it 180 degrees and also change the angle so it drops straight down instead of booming across the engine bay and sitting on the strut tower. The staino dump pipe that came with it looks like will be able to fit with some minor mods also which is good.

[J0RD0]

fun day, bought some new tools - compressor die grinder and die kit, and alot of fucken cutting disc's!!! i think im on my 10th one and the motor isnt even mounted yet!

manifold is finished apart from mounting the fuel rail, went to pick it up lastnight and when i got there it was still warm. Now thats service!

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crossmember is de-mounted and ready for new ones.

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and the exhaust manifold, fairly happy with it, looks like a quality job

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mmmmmm 7 second 4g63 corolla . . . . . drool

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[Hokey]

so you've used evo 3 mani on evo 7 flange? couldnt you just turb the evo 7 mani around on the flange or wouldn't that work?

good work

[J0RD0]

i think this is a case of PLEASE EXPLAIN??? do you mean upside down? because if i turned it around wouldnt it be back to front?

[jdmke70kid]

nice build man keep it up

[Hokey]

haha yeh ignore my comment. idiot lol

[J0RD0]

houston we have box

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/41821.jpg

The second most expensive item in this build! There once was a young fella who went by the name of jordo, and one evening he went out and purchased an r154 off a man who went by the name of "shifty". Lets hope the gearbox is ok!!! although not off to a good start . . . .

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/41822.jpg

DOH! wasnt me was shifty i tells you

and this is the new(ish) shell. Best thing is that i now dont have to buy a pedal box and clutch setup or install it.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/41823.jpg

im glad it was me that bought this car and not some poor bastard intending to use it as a daily because he would of found the following things wrong with it

cut metal rear brake line (it was cut and then was attempted to be sealed by folding it over itself)
radiator had something large got through the core and was another attempted fix by folding the tube over itself
incorrect and dodgy tailshaft bolts
fingertight bolts holding the center of the tailshaft to the chassis (forget what you call it)
bolts missing on gearbox, other's nearly fingertight
dodgy speaker wire bypass wiring to coil

and the fella that sold it to me said it just needs a battery and a main ignition relay! Ha! i should ring him back and tell him never to work on cars again.

[Nicko]

Looks straight though :)

Nice update.

Shifty off Performance forums? Nice bloke.

[J0RD0]

yeah . . . . um looks . . . . straight he he, you cant see the tin of bog that was applied by a blind man. Shifty off toymods

[Nicko]

Much rust in the usual spots?

What are your plans for prep? back to metal?

Same Shifty :)

Just be thankful your R154 wasn't owned / sold by Norbie ;)

[J0RD0]

fair bit of rust but the the conversion is only to be completed in this shell then everything swapped over to my ke shell (current daily) which only has 140ks and one minor spot of rust.

[--Redwork--]

Make sure you get that inlet manifold machined flat if it hasn't already been done.... Last thing you want is to get it all running and find out when its belling tuned that its got leaks..

[J0RD0]

yeah mate waaaay ahead of you, got the egr port welded up and it pertrudes the face of the manifold so it will have to get machined anyways.

[J0RD0]

Right, all i can say is ABOUT FUCKEN TIME!!!

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42331.jpg

its finally fucken here, fits perfectly although have to chase down a couple of early evo parts, ei ealier starter motor, clutch fork and pivot bolt.

and i didnt even realise until i watched the dvd that came with the bellhousing that the tube for the bearing collar has been snapped off. I found it in the old supra collar.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42332.jpg

will have to see if i can get a new one from toyota

lord behold its already starting to look like a rwd engine.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42333.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42334.jpg

and i got my hsd coilover kit. 8kg springs

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42335.jpg

[ThatsHowWeRoll]

Like.Like.Like.

I Love projects.

[marvis]

im not being rude at all man, im really looking foward to seeing this conversion take place, but i dont know why so many guys go the S13 front. control arms way to long, strut assy way to short, as you have just found out.
if you want big brakes look at my build thread, you can go nissan brakes on ST141 struts on 86 or rona or sigma LCA's with a few conversion parts i sell, very similar KPI to ae86, and 296mm and 33 calipers should fit under 15's, i have R32 and 280mm rotors and their is a stack of room under my 15's, i would go 33 with an adapter that can be brought off shelf if i had them, as the R32 stuff you need a 5mm slip for clearance.

you get the big brakes, you have all the correct bump and tavel in the shocks, heaps of height adjustment, correct ackerman, heaps of lock... no need for S13 stuff

I thought this also.

OMFG this is going to be awesome. I love how you got an awesome engine, and are putting it into a rust bucket haha. Missile!

[Pidgey]

I'm with Marv on the rust bucket notion.
Back to bare metal and spray it with salt water, I dare you.

[keimeier]

nice work man been waiting for an update

[J0RD0]

yes its amazing timing when the bellhousing rocks up, same day i get 2 days off because of the rain and then my sister rings and tells me she's broken down and she lives 100km away and needs a lift to work the next day and im on taxi duties for my niece! dag nam it!!! could have possibly had the motor mounted by now

[J0RD0]

done some test fitting today and it looks as if the tunnel will have to be raised by about 30mm or so. Wish i bought a non remote shifter because the one i have is about 60mm back from the original hole. I know you can convert them to a non remote style shifter but ive heard it may be a pain, will have to research it more.

Anyways here's how it will look sort of.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42523.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42524.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42525.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42526.jpg

Will get the angle grinder out tomorrow and make some sparks fly

[--Redwork--]

Making it fit is the easiest part. :) And the least stressfull.

[E7 PIG]

wow this is going to be epic.

[keimeier]

progress progress progress! keep it up

[chang_hb]

may be some one asked you before... but from where did you bought the bell housing from? are they the same bolt pattern as the early VR4/Evo 1 2 3 block?

[J0RD0]

first page fiirst post, as i found out the hard way earlier evo/vr4 is different to the later model 4g63. When ordering a bellhousing you have to be very specific/clear on what motor you have otherwise you may get sent the wrong bellhousing because of the fact they are called differently over in the states. Other than that Bill is an excellent old character to deal with and sends you everything you need to make a conversion easy.

[chang_hb]

who is Bill?
hey by the way, i've been using the same Cusco silvia front suspension setup in my ex-Ke70 as well. just in case if you are unaware of, that set of suspension will set your KE70 way too low at the front. i've been using 185/60R14 tires and it has already tuck the tyre into the fender... at the end i have to use a dodgy way to rise the front while maintaining the correct ride height. but if it is track only car, it will be great way to lower the front.. probadly way too low for me... just my 2cents..

[J0RD0]

bill hincher, links on first page. I sold my cusco coilies. Bought a hsd coilover kit and am going to make my own using stock s13 struts, make them taller

[chang_hb]

great... its hidden in you post... thanks for the info.. good luck for your built...

[chang_hb]

btw, do you need to do any machining on the crank in order to fit the pilot bearing as describe in the video?
and also, starter motor should be using stock 4G63?

[J0RD0]

no machining required, you get a spacer in the kit. Just tap it in! Starter motor will fit although my evo 7 starter doesnt. He described that all the earlier starter's are all the same and the bellhousing has been made to run stock starter.

Just to clarify, the R154 kit comes with a bellhousing that it designed to to run an awd flywheel, stock toyota clutch, stock awd pressure plate, stock 4g63 clutch arm and pivot bolt. It comes with all bellhousing bolts, spacer to use the stock toyota spigot or pilot bearing, sandwich plate, throwout bearing an collar and it also come with a new stock MA61 clutch slave cylinder. It also has a self explanitory dvd. Everything is made to be easy and efficient.

[chang_hb]

cool.. thanks for the tips...

[J0RD0]

RIGHT!!! got this fucker right where i want it

got away with lifting the tunnel, just cut out a decent section for the shifter and its looking good

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42619.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42620.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42621.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42622.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42623.jpg

and a heap of room up the back which is what im after, as opposed to the celica which had a bee's dick clearance from the firewall. Sure weight distribution may not be as good with it this far forward but i wont have to take the whole engine out when doing a box/clutch/starter.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42624.jpg

let the welding begin!

[pen15]

EPIC ok i love the clearances from the firewall and engine height i also love the shifter position i cant wait to see this thing completed kudos to you sir

[Javal]

Hi.

What is your motivation behind spacing the crossmember? Just to gain more clearance to the tunnel?

Also, if it were me, and my sump was sitting that low, with the oil filter in front of it, i would most definitely be making up a nice bash-plate to protect my investment :)

[J0RD0]

motor is a bit tall so i had no choice, clears the bonnet by about 12mm. Im thinking of a filter relocation kit and the sump is factory reinforced, but im thinking another 6mm plate wont hurt it

[J0RD0]

woooop woooop!

motor is now sitting under its own weight! although the mounts still need finishing eg bracing, welded, sandblasted and paint but now i can start making other shit fit now i know where its sitting and how much clearance ive got. I also decided to go a little bit further back and down and bit the bullet and went 12mm from the crossmember and not the steering rack, this now means i'll have to give the rear of the sump a bit of loving.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/42664.jpg

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[pen15]

coming along now before you paint up the mounts could you get some pics of them and are you gonna get this thing mod plated easily is there any rules regulations regarding making your own mounts up?

[J0RD0]

good question, i will look into that tomorrow.

[4agte70]

This is going to be sick, Looks so good in the KE engine bay. Cant wait to see this thing finished

[ae86ln]

lookin good mate, keep up the good work

[J0RD0]

thanks for all the positive feedback guys, Got this message from another forum


Hey mate, my names Jason and i work at Express Publications for Zoom and Extreme.
Your KE70 build cought my eye and i was wondering if we could use it for our 'In the build' section on Zoom.

Basically we just need a few snaps of the car similar to the ones in your thread, but they need to be hi res, at least 1mb in file size each.

As well as the images we just need a basic run-down on the project, what your building it for and a spec list.

If your keen drop me a line, real eager to see how the conversion pans out, especially as i have a KE70 project of my own.

Thanks mate,
Also spoke with an engineer and the engine mounts will be fine. I actually copied them from the willywagtail on here and there is plenty of pics on page 3 of the build thread. Im not finished with mine yet.

[keimeier]

top stuff man congrats

[stx-16]

what did you make the engine mounts out of?
trailing arms?

[J0RD0]

oh yeah sorry was meant to add that part in before. Making the mounts was soo easy, and this was the first time ive done any engine mounts. I mean it . . . your grandma could do this. But anyways i went for a hunt around at the wreckers on the weekend and looked for some beefyish trailing arms, settled for some AU falcon trailing arms as the arm's were square tube as all the others i was looking at were tube. There were 2 different types off both au's, the one's i went for had i bit more straight section in them before the bend. So basically all i did with some 6ml plate made up the plate's for the block, then made the cups for the crossmember, then sat the motor where i wanted it bolted the trailing arms to the cups and cut the angle's i needed and welded the end of the trailing arms to the plate's on the block. This way your cups can be wherever they end up being and nothing has to be precise, everything just needs to be straight so that the motor can just drop straight down when fitting the motor. Benifits are - easy to make, easy to get to bolts, easy to remove/re-fit engine, cheap to do and to replace rubbers and it looks neat. But mine still arent quite finished they need a 4 point bracing as the square tube wont quite hold it.

[gaz20v]

awesome man, love seeing things come together with thought to future potential of remove/refit, not like a lot of workshop jobs that are just simply fitted to make it work and hope they never come back!!

[J0RD0]

thats how the 1j celica was, i had to make tools to get the engine mounts off or undone on the car. The old saying you want something done right, you best do it yourself!

[ke70 xx]

Epic win! My mate with a galant vr4 is so interested in this build.

[J0RD0]

Sump mods

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43086.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43087.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43088.jpg

engine mounts braced, need to be welded still ( not by my shitty gassless mig)

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43089.jpg

coilies coming along, need to go shock shopping on tuesday

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43090.jpg

g/box crossmember trimmed down a bit, just needs a good sandblast and paint

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43091.jpg

ah every weekend it gets lighter and lighter. I can literally lift up the front of the car with my index finger! lol

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43092.jpg

oh yeah nearly forgot. Got a 272mm awd flywheel . . . now my clutch wont fit Got a starter that is the right bolt spacing . . . now my turbo doesnt fit. Sigh

[bill hincher]

Jordan, how can I help you?

[J0RD0]

BILL! the legend, the myth, the man!!! welcome to the forum. If you want you can come over and finish the build? i'll let you

[--Redwork--]

JORDO.....!!!!!!!

Before you weld up your mounts. turn them 90 degress.. makes fitting the engine a million times easier...Obviously I mean the round section with the bush in it..
I have done mounts both ways befor... Like yours and with them turned 90.. 90 is by far the better option.. With them orientated the way they are, its very difficult to get the engine lined up correctly and then you still can't get the bolts in untill the gearbox is bolted up... When your turn them the whole thing just falls together.. I could fit my engine buy myself no worries.. lining up the engien lowerering the chainblock and moving the car all at once.. With the mounts the other way round it was a 2 man job.

[J0RD0]

hmmm i didnt have a problem fitting the engine up by myself (and ive had alot of practice in the last week) do you have any pics of what you mean? i think i know what your saying but pics speak a million words.

[wntdae86]

JORDO.....!!!!!!!

Before you weld up your mounts. turn them 90 degress.. makes fitting the engine a million times easier...Obviously I mean the round section with the bush in it..
I have done mounts both ways befor... Like yours and with them turned 90.. 90 is by far the better option.. With them orientated the way they are, its very difficult to get the engine lined up correctly and then you still can't get the bolts in untill the gearbox is bolted up... When your turn them the whole thing just falls together.. I could fit my engine buy myself no worries.. lining up the engien lowerering the chainblock and moving the car all at once.. With the mounts the other way round it was a 2 man job.

the way jordo has them now everything line up fine and it is easy to do so ....no need to trun them 90 d .... why would you do that

[--Redwork--]

Yeah but do you have the tunnel in atm..? I know on my engine cause everything was so tight it had to be just right to fit.. and it was REALLY hard to get it to drop into the mounts with the round the way yours are... I'll go get a pic..

[--Redwork--]

the way jordo has them now everything line up fine and it is easy to do so ....no need to trun them 90 d .... why would you do that

Its not about lining up when its already in the car... ist about getting the engine into the car and the bolts threw the mounts..

I just noticed he does have the tunnel in place...
Well if it works for you then go for it...
I just know with my SR it was a prick..

[--Redwork--]

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/3/2/8/549662.jpg

[wntdae86]

i cant see why you done this .....

your both relaying on the bolt btw and a bolt should never be for the load

[J0RD0]

i thought thats what you meant, i cant see how you found it hard to line up/drop down on to. I just leave the mounts on the block loose and drop it straight down 1st go, easy as. Also im a bit skeptical about the bolt facing the way it is in your pic, i mean the engine rocks side to side and it just seemed logical to have them the way i did. Not dissing you or anything man to me it just doesnt seem any better your suggested way. Plus its too late, its all welded up

[Hokey]

i cant see why you done this .....

your both relaying on the bolt btw and a bolt should never be for the load

What???? why not?

[--Redwork--]

I did it the same way as yours for a few different cars... then when doing the 86 I found if almost impossable to get it to line up properly... There is very little room in my car with the SR.. gearbox jut fits.. You gota stick the engine and box in at a bit of a crazy angle to get it the base of the gearbox/ rear sump section past the steering rack. Basically once the engine was almost home I ran out of room over the mounts to locate the engine to drop it dow.. can't go forward, sump hits the rack, can't go back engine hits fire wall. can't go up engine hits firewall.. So I couldn't manover the engine into place without a massive struggle of getting the gearbox in the right spot on and so on. Changed the mounts around and it was a brease...

wntdae86.. ???
Seriously man WTF... look close at the pic... its a bushing from a rear LCA.. I'm pretty sure the factory designed it to take load mate... And this method of mounting engines is vastly older than you.. And proven.. I know of at least 2 700hp cars that use this same design and never have any trouble.
And I think a 12mm bolt would have a much higher shear strenght than a 20 year old piece of decaying rubber..
How would you suggest it be mounted.. with fucken zip ties...

[J0RD0]

whoa guys can we keep this thread to a build thread not a keyboard war? maybe move this discussion to a tech section?

[wntdae86]

whoa guys can we keep this thread to a build thread not a keyboard war? maybe move this discussion to a tech section?

sorry man

love the build always taken a look here

[bill hincher]

BILL! the legend, the myth, the man!!! welcome to the forum. If you want you can come over and finish the build? i'll let you
did you get the proper clutch disc?
I apoligize for not explaining about the exhaust/starter interference, it just didnt cross my mind when we were talking, I had no other reasonable option on the EVO engine for starter location
very nice work you are doing >;o)

trust yourself on your engine mounts, dont second guess your work, it will only slow you down until you loose interest in the build, its much better to finish then to ponder what ' could have been' >;o)

[J0RD0]

yeah its been a pain so far with the turbo, once the engine all together and in again i'll see if i can just mount the turbo with in the stock position (back to front) just to see if i can get away with it until i can afford a proper setup. Big thanks to Nick at NPC he has decided to help me out big time and simple trade my whole clutch flywheel setup for one that will fit. No fart assing around trying to sell a one off clutch setup, he can sell the bits separately.

I havent slowed down for a day on this conversion, i am soo wrecked from it. With work 5 days and pretty much every minute i can spare im cutting or welding or picking some parts up, and i havent doubted the engine mounts either. These puppies are good for insane amounts of power and torque.

As of tonight my mounts are finally finished, picked up my hilux diff (needs putting back together) and while i was picking up my diff i got a quick cash tig job done on the sump.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43346.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43347.jpg

[Brent13]

hey lad i'll prob forget to talk to you about this idea tomorrow so i'll put it to ya here...... are you interested in flareing your guards? i've got a a good idea if your are looking for a way but i'll have to have a close look at them first tho and maybe even try it on the other shell you got.........without bashing them out or butchering them up, but i'll talk to you in the morning if your keen!

[J0RD0]

not a big fan of guard flaring, i think the ke guards are almost perfect. But hey i dont care what happens to the ae71 shell ive got as its not staying very long after the conversions complete.

[J0RD0]

What a crap weekend that was . . . First originally cut the sump to clear the steering rack, tac'd it up, re - fit the engine to the bay and thought i could take a little more out of the sump for a bit more clearance. Did just that and went and got it tig'd up, cleaned it, painted it and then went to fit it back up to the motor and to my surprise the sump would not go back on the motor due to it hitting the girdle! DOH! so, out it came again, hacked it up some more and this time checked every bit of steel that was going on to not make the same stupid mistake again, went and got it welded up again, cleaned it again and painted it again and then it finally worked.

Then i went to fit up some new rubbers to my engine mounts and skinned a few knuckle's doing it and to my surprise they did not fit correctly because there was a sleeve inside the mount that no one at the suspension shop told me to take out before fitting the new bushes. So i had to cut up a pair of nice new bushes to get them out (lucky they came in a packet of 4) press the sleeve's out and then fit the last 2 bushes up . . . SUCCESS!

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43712.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43713.jpg

And finally got the diff in also

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43714.jpg

I think the S14 wheels suit the car quite well (apart from the lift kitted suspension) Nice and suttle, but they wont be staying forever

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/43715.jpg

[keimeier]

coming along so fast!

[Beau]

I think the S14 wheels suit the car quite well (apart from the lift kitted suspension) Nice and suttle, but they wont be staying forever

This comment made my left eye brow reach for the stars with concern.

Everything else is fucken Ace!

[hao.]

Good work man

[FAST EDDIE]

just found this might be gelpful in some way : http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Toyota/Corolla/auction-288369994.htm

[Nicko]

Fucking Jesus... @ link


Currently tuned at 221.3kw atw on 14psi
761Nm of torque


I have sat in a SR20DET Sil80 with similar power figures, and it was a near death experience. I can hardly imagine that much torque in a car that weighs 400kg less !

Just goes to show, you might get 300+ KW out of a 4AGE, but you can't get big torque out of a 4AGE.

[shift_rook]

so many people forget that torque plays a huge factor in how hard your car pulls, 700nm is huge! that'd be intense

[J0RD0]

wow, looks like fun! Pfffft starion box . . . . that wont last long. Unfortunately i dont think he could help much, as everythings different. Besides which im almost done, thanks for the heads up though.

[J0RD0]

alrighty then, We have interCOOLness, fuel rail mounted, rwd water lines done (need joiners), dipstick er . . . modified. Need to order some more bends for the i/c pipework.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/44014.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/44015.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/44016.jpg

soo much to do, so little time

[bill hincher]

Jordan,
have you found the clutch fork and pivot ball you need?

[J0RD0]

yes please, send me through another thingy when you can. Thanks Bill

[bill hincher]

yes please, send me through another thingy when you can. Thanks Bill

please translate to America .;o) whats a 'thingy'?

[bill hincher]

I got your stuff Jordan, I will be shipping out Monday

[Victim]

Fuck, mad props for originality!
Good work mate, love the fresh approach.

Keep us updated, this thing'll be fucking amazing when it's done!

[FAST EDDIE]

cant wait to see power figures. is it going to be tuned hard??

[J0RD0]

Hi guys, not alot has happened in the last week or so, waiting on soo many parts coming from oversea's. Got my clutch finally though. Have also decided on evo 3 turbo, almost similar size as the 7 turbo only slightly smaller and a much easier fit.

When it gets tuned it will be on 11psi to start with, see how it goes. Then when i get bored it might be time for a 20g turbo and 22psi, that should be enough to keep me happy for a while.

[--Redwork--]

td06 20g... DO IIIIITTTTT... Just paid for my turbo... td05 16g (aka t517z) I can't wait for the epic spoolz.

[4agte70]

Evo 3 turbo a very good choice, no lag and will make a decent amount of power, can make close to 200rwkw i believe

[--Redwork--]

That would make sence...
T517z uses evo 3 compressor wheel and they can make around 220 rwkw on a good setup...

[Hachi_Tom]

im so jelous, i was thinking if any1 has putt a 4g63 in a ke70/ae86

Good luck mate dont give up.

[foamy]

Any updates?:(

[J0RD0]

ha ha, yeah its well over due isnt it. There has been a small amount of progress, but not much. not slacking off just still waiting on all my bits so i can continue.

[wntdae86]

this thing will go off it tits when dori time is here

[J0RD0]

anyone want to buy this off me? im over it . . . lol

[Nicko]

Aaah, Project Resentment...

This will pass :)

[wntdae86]

the law state you must not sell this or we have the right to kill you

NOW BACK TO WORK

[J0RD0]

yeah i think it was some prick on here that cursed me though i cant find his post, maybe edited it. "the last 10% of the project takes 90% of the time". I think i must have underestimated the actual man hours that go into a build especially when EVERYTHING is done by me and me only. Also the fact that everything is getting upgraded, not just an engine conversion. Best thing is that once this car is built i get to strip the entire car and swap it all into another better shell. Sigh . . . I am beginning to get really exhausted from this build but i cant slow down as I promised myself this wouldnt be a year or two build as the celica turned out that way. Speaking of which . . .

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/45802.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/1/5/0/45803.jpg
ah memories . . . sniff sniff

Yet another weekend goes by, alot of hours spent on the car and not very much to show for it, it almost feels as if its going backwards. Anyways i'll stop babbling and get back to work. One of the motivators that keeps me going will be the day i get to pull up next to an evo7 and say to old mate "guess what motor i got in this thing" lol and then smoke him . . . he he he

[DR86FT]

yeah keep on going man this is a mad car do not stop

[shift_rook]

yeah no shit man, people don't realise how much of a head fuck builds can be, keep it up though dude, you'll get there

[Hokey]

i'll buy it but you won't lIke my offer ;p

[J0RD0]

now accepting hot mums/sisters as a straight swap for this marvelous half finished "easy to build" car. . . lol

[Hokey]

haha i've got a mint ae71 4age to swap and that's all. yamaha dirtbike???

[J0RD0]

this isnt boostcruising dude

[sundee]

please once engine is sorted your on the home stretch... well just think u are anyway. get this going for sure will be awsome

[Faceplant456]

2 words ... FUCKING AWESOME!

keep it up :D

[keimeier]

come so far dont stop now man :)

[4agte70]

itll be worth it once its finished

[J0RD0]

turbo finally mounted!

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I also got myself a 3 core alloy radiator, lil bit of pipework done. Half way through the rear brake upgrade - jesus what a headache . . . i hate doing brakes. Decided to change to some ra60 struts, coilover kit got some adjustable kyb's on the way and waiting on some ms65 hubs to convert to 5 stud. Still sticking with the r33 brake setup, just wanted a bit more aftermarket support from T3 when it comes to steering bits.

Engine bay is filling up fairly quickly and is beginning to become hard to mount stuff to clear other stuff. Also got myself an AE86 JDM fuel tank so i dont have to piss fart around with surge tank and externally mounted fuel setup, will be ordering a walbro pump come tuesday.

[wntdae86]

good work mate ...
this will be sick once done

[4agte70]

What is that radiator and how much? Looks like a decent bit of gear

[sundee]

Good to see you keept going with it man.. loooks like good progress!

^ why dont you just ask me about T3 components if you need info. shoot me a PM and ill help you out.
and most parts are in stock aswell... why go to the states? cost the same from australia ;)

[J0RD0]

radiator is a asiperformance (ebay) one, looks ok we'll see how it goes keeping the temps down on a rough day. They are 340 i think and 60 delivery, pretty expensive but i got mine alot cheaper as someone bought one and then decided to change direction. I went with it as it bolts straight in

thanks sundee, will hit you up once i got some $$$ to spend in that area, focusing on getting it on the road first.

[Hokey]

is it a ke70 radiator? or just adapted from someting else?

cheers

[joeschmo_57]

it is meant to be an ae86 radiator.

i had one, but the mounts didnt line up exactly with 86 rad. cos new one is too thick.

good buy, and well worth it

[J0RD0]

its an ae71 radiator

[bill hincher]

Where are you on the car, Jordan?

[J0RD0]

getting there, waiting on a few parts to move ahead with the remaining mods. Still got the rear brake upgrade to finish, tailshaft, wiring and a lil bit of plumbing to do. Oh and waiting on my delicious tax return.

[bill hincher]

never quit, never give up >;o)

[J0RD0]

looking to get my stinger wired up, anyone in brisbane who likes wires n cash?

[J0RD0]

two words . . . FUCK YEAH!

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[twisted]

yeah wirings fun!!!!!! :S

so does it run?

[J0RD0]

nah still trying to find someone to look into that

[4agte70]

Fuck its getting close now, keen as to see it done and gives me stupid ideas. Anyone want a ST20v Tubo package? haha

[J0RD0]

tonights effort

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[stx-16]

looking nice man you should plumb the screamer out just behind the front tire :)

[Paul]

epic dude :) where abouts are you in bris ?

[J0RD0]

ferny grove. The wastegate's going back in, i just ran out of sunlight

[NIZLAH]

probs for been unconventional............ awesome build man, looking forward to hearing how this thing goes when it turns the tyres....

[--Redwork--]

I'll have to shoot round one day and check out your work bud...
Your onl round the corner... I should stop being so slack :)

You wouldn't havppen to know the Silk boys by any chance.?

[J0RD0]

who are the silk boys?

[wntdae86]

good work mate .....

[--Redwork--]

You obviously don't know them then... Mick and Phil silk.. They live in ferny... Mick has the 600whp orange datsun wagon.

[J0RD0]

no well i havent been in ferny long and probably wont be here for long. 600hp wagon sounds alright tho

[J0RD0]

finito!

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[Hokey]

you've got it hooked up wrong mate. the little pipe just goes down onto the ground ;)

[--Redwork--]

you've got it hooked up wrong mate. the little pipe just goes down onto the ground ;)

While the coppers dick penatrates your arse...

[Hokey]

no one is forcing you to gate it everywhere? if there's coppers around you wouldn't even have it on boost haha

[--Redwork--]

Thats true... but copper like to hide... And as cool as they sounds screamers are just anti social and anoying on the street..

[J0RD0]

I love a good screamer, my last car . . . an s13 silvia with a series 6 13b a GT45 turbo 5" dump and 4" exhaust with a 44ml tial screamer. mmmmm mmmmm mmmmmmmm, you could literally hear me coming a suburb away! BUT!!! this car will be the opposite to my old defect on wheels, 100% legal will be the aim, where as id have to put it in neutral and roll past the piggaz everytime id see them. Also this is a stock turbo i'll be running so gate at 2500rpm will get annoying after about 30seconds of driving me thinks.

So i cant wait til i get this thing on the road and get pulled over for the first time and tell the coppa to look as hard as he wants and i wont even break a sweat knowing he wont find anything.

[--Redwork--]

They won't find anything... LOL..
I'm sorry younge man... But your hat is mounted in an inapropriat manner that was not intended buy the manufacturer... Here's a fine for clothing violation..
Oh listen boy, don't be smart with me or I'll give you a fine for speaking to an officer.
Oh wait a second... Is this a 1982 model corola.. I'm gunna have to fine you for that too..

[Beau]

Conversion looks good.

Signature is..interesting lol

[4agte70]

Screamers are over, Keen to plumb back my external gate

[bill hincher]

have you received the clutch parts Jordan?

[J0RD0]

yep, thanks a bunch bill. Wiring should come back this weekend and am hoping to fire this thing up for the first time!!!

[marvis]

Cops will still find something if they want.

Looking good!

[J0RD0]

ah well, i will just tell them to go fuck themselves if they wanted to be that way! It probably wont get me far but at least i will feel good about it

[Drift_Donkey]

Looking epic dude :)

[J0RD0]

Ok so was working away today thinking to myself about firing this thing up and whats necessary to have to start and run the motor briefly.

You should have seen the look on my face when i realized this was still sitting on my bedroom floor . . . . .

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lol

[--Redwork--]

HAHAHA... That would have been a right bitch if you put it all together and wired it up befor realising..

I had a retard moment like that...
The night before getting tuned and then racing on the following day..
I'd screwed together my super cool engine a few days prior, and then I'm lying in bed..
Suddenly thought.. SHIT.. did I fit the rings the right way up... Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
So Middle of the night, pull the engine out, full tear down to double check. reassemble and refit.
all before the morning... all for NOTHING. cause I'd done it right the first time.... LOL

[slide86]

imagine turning the key and just hearing the starter motor spinning its brains out.....

[J0RD0]

mmmmmm wiring

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just need to get that damn flywheel in to start the bastard!

[bill hincher]

you have come a long way Jordan, keep it up >;o)

[J0RD0]

oh that aint nothin, this weekend . . . its going to happen, provided my inlet manifold is ready!

rear disk brake goodness (minus the calipers)

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[ke70dave]

looking bloody awesome dude,

well done.

that dump pipe is a very nice peice of work.

[egg_83]

did you get it started?

[J0RD0]

no, got a fair bit done just dont have the right flywheel bolts. Also still waiting on my machinist to call me saying my inlet manifold's all nice and machined.

[J0RD0]

Well overdue for an update!!!

firstly there has been a bit too much of this going on . . .

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out this motor comes hopefully (fingers crossed) for the last time until it get a re-shell. Nice new button clutch. It consists of an evo 3 flywheel, supra clutch and evo 3 pressure plate. Also used some cut down 3SGTE ARP flywheel bolts.

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gearbox got repaired but after further inspection the rear housing may be fooked, time will tell . . .

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The car now sits on 4 yes thats right 4 wheels!

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lil bit of positive camber going on, some camber plates will fix that.

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front coilies and brake upgrade complete, there's also a BM44 (skyline) brake master installed

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New TD05 20G turbo with 3" cover

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and some nice new adjustable cam gears, i think the cam cover needs to be polished now, i dont think the red gets along with the blue

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More to follow this weekend, hopefully it will be started up:D

[shift_rook]

looking awesome! good to see you getting shit done, keenly awaiting updates

[--Redwork--]

Bummer on the cracked gearbox housing...
I can be repaired.. might be cheaper to just find a new housing though...
I could have repaired it for you.. But I don't have a TIG anymore.. Which is so anoying cause its so usefull to have one..

[Nicko]

So fucking sad to see an aftermarket part hindering a build.

I mean, you spent (presumably) good coin on something that is a piece of shit. Can you imagine if someone had the same thing happen to a part in their family car? FFS

Best build thread mate...

[slide86]

its not the bellhousing thats damaged

[J0RD0]

yeah its the rear housing thats cracked, it has been welded up but i thinks its a bit warped and may have to replace it

[bill hincher]

looking good Jordan, you will have to help me understand the cluch you had built?
I hope the flywheel is a 270mm diameter so you have good starter engagement

[J0RD0]

yeah bill it was a 270mm flywheel, nothing was built just an off the shelf supra disc and a excedy evo 3 pressure plate.

[J0RD0]

today the turbo side got some speedflow bling and got an oil drain and feed

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finished the cooler pipework too

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[R&D Mechanical]

hell yes looking great mate! keep it going!

[4agte70]

keen to see some action shots and vids

[egg_83]

Any lucky with getting it going?

[J0RD0]

lol no

Got it ready to go, needed to get onto the ecu to switch the pump on, on aux 1. Didnt have the right cable, got the right cable, didnt have the right port on the laptop, ended up taking the home computer down to the car, couldnt get the program to run on the computer. Finally got my computer nerd friend to help me out on that issue, finally switched the fuel pump on, went to crank the starter motor, relay burnt out, hot-wired starter, went to crank it, starter gear wouldnt for some reason reach the flywheel. Old man comes to my rescue and takes the starter off, runs test's, measures everything, cant find a fault. Re-install starter, motor cranks over fine. Turn ignition on, bites fingernails, cranks motor . . . nothing. changes spark plugs, cranks over . . . nothing. Can smell fuel, but suspicious of lack of spark Grabs the multi-meter out, runs tests - coils getting 12v but no signal and thats where im at now . . . sigh. Have old mate who done the wiring coming around tomorrow to have a look. Fingers crossed

[stouty]

Fucking hate cars ahahaha

[marvis]

I am so happy to see the intercooler piping to go through the top.

Also, is that TA22 yours?

[J0RD0]

no, i got over rust buckets, i mean classic celica's a while ago. Still can appreciate them just dont have the time/skills/patience/money to deal with the rust that they all have. Scotty (the wiring guy) came over today and did some test's and the coils are getting 12v and a signal but they are not creating any spark. Which is weird because they cant both be fooked, the motor has only done 35 000ks Its a head scratcher.

[bill hincher]

make sure you have at least three heavy sized ground wires between the engine and the chassis, its something everyone overlooks

[J0RD0]

yep, got an overkill amount of earths around the engine bay and still nothing. This is driving me nuts!

[slide86]

can you run a diagnosis mode on your ECU?

is there a screen that car read an RPM signal or detect that the engine is actually turning over? just to ensure the CAS is sending a signal to the ecu. These engines run built in igniters in the coilpacks, or external type?

i gather you have checked for spark by fitting a spark plug to one lead and resting it on the rocker cover, then cranking?

just brain storming......hoping to jog yours at the same time

[J0RD0]

not really much in the way of diagnosis mode on the ecu but the problem is now sorted and now i have another one. Turns out the evo 7 coils have their own internal ignitors and i was running an external stinger ignitor. So i was trying to ignite an ignitor. Now she's getting good spark but the timing's set on about 25 degrees and it wont turn over too good, the water and air temp sensor's need to be calibrated. Me not having any idea on how this shit works i'd be asking anyone out there who knows what there doing (in brisbane) who likes beer or cash to come around and have a look, see if we can get this thing humming???

[Casey-G]

Sure the timing is set correctly? usually you need to "sync" the trigger on the motor to the ecu through the use of tooth offset and angle ect.. definite need of a timing light.

should be able to find the sensor maps online or in a database supplied with the ecu (a haltech has one?? not sure what your using) if not i can have a look for the voltage vs temp ect in the haltech maps as there is a 4g63 map on the disk that came with it.


+ one for learning how to do it yourself though, you should consider it :) i learned and am still learning heaps.

cheers bud.

[J0RD0]

this thing now runs . . . . . hoooray!!!!

[R&D Mechanical]

vids vids vids!!! congrats dude

[sundee]

^^ What he said!

[J0RD0]

I dont know how exciting a video of the engine being run for two seconds is going to be? will throw some vids up once its tuned. Still having some drama's with hunting down a rear housing for an R154 gearbox as mine is stuffed. If anyone knows anyone who has a broken R154 gearbox they either want to sell a rear housing or even the whole box if the price is right please please PLEASE let me know! I am desperate, cant put the tailshaft in until i get one.

[panda71]

i have a polished tuned turbs mani if you want it... i had a 4g in an excel... buy far the best 2ltr... 0424830068, freebi if ya want it, never been on a car

[J0RD0]

sounds good, will buzz you tomorrow