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Nicko
5th May 2010, 02:36 PM
I've never been an Apple supporter.

The last time I touched a Mac was back in 1988 when Coles were donating Apple Macs to schools. I was in grade two, and PC's weren't even mainstream yet. Mac by rights should have had the upper hand?

Only recently did I upgrade from a cheap chinese ebay "no-pod" to a proper Apple iPod - I have since learned that iTunes is a big load of bloat-ware sheep crap that is only installed on PC my when I need to update my iPod music library. And then uninstalled again afterwards...

Since then, I have seen all of the wankers out there shoving their iPhone in my face and telling me how awesome and special they are, but I don't buy into it.

I have managed to destroy my bosses iPhone by dropping it (once) yet, my nokia has been hurled at the ground at least 10 times and still works...

I'm not anti-mac, but I am against having to have shit installed that I don't want or need. And that seems to be the thing that mostly shits me about Apple stuff.

However...

I am seriously looking into the iPad as soon as I can get my hands on one.

And there is a serious chance that we will make AE86DC iPad friendly in time.

Who else will be splashing out on the iPad?

dave2221
5th May 2010, 03:24 PM
not me.... if i am going to spend $600 odd for a touch computer.... it has to be a computer.

the ipad is halfway between a phone and a computer and has none of the qualities of either.

iWASTE if you aske me

Nicko
5th May 2010, 04:20 PM
I like the fact that it is light, easily portable and can run for 12+ hours on a charge.

See, I used to do a lot of travel, and laptops got max of 2.5 hours (flight to perth is 4.5 - 6 hour trip) and also laptops were too bulky to have "open" when people had finished lunch / dinner and put their seats back.

Also, I see a lot of magazine subscriptions happening in digital (PDF) format soon, so it would be awesome to travel with.

*shrug* I like the idea, lots.

dave2221
5th May 2010, 04:26 PM
i like the idea....

i have a 9" laptop... would prefer that any day of the week over ipad.

all the benefits of portability, with USB add on... replacable batteries, a keyboard for typing (touch screen would be nice tho)
i just dont think having the ipad for books and video's is worth it....

Pidgey
5th May 2010, 04:41 PM
I've been looking into them, and they seem relatively good. Same price as a laptop (approximately), but can do lots of additional cool stuff. Plus, it would be handy for note-taking etc at uni.
If AE86DC became iPad friendly I would definitely get one.

marvis
5th May 2010, 04:43 PM
Ipods are cool. I like them.. Maybe some of their notebooks also.

But as you mentioned, the software for their ipod's etc is full bloatware. It's frustrating. I wish it could drop and drag etc.

Iphones suck.

Nicko
5th May 2010, 04:47 PM
If AE86DC became iPad friendly I would definitely get one.

It is on the cards...

Its too much info to cram into an iPhone screen. But iPad might well make me get off my butt and make it happen!

sun_moon
5th May 2010, 05:49 PM
man... Kevin Poon has been overhypeing i-pad lately.

i find i-pone is suck. but i enjoy to use i-pod.

if u ask me, i-pad is half way between a computer and a phone.

shift_rook
5th May 2010, 06:23 PM
yeah i'd probably egt one, magazine subscriptions and stuff would be ace to have backed up, good idea, will probably sell pretty well, doubt as well as iphone though, i swear every second person i see has one now

ArbPotatoes
5th May 2010, 08:43 PM
Needs USB ports and actual file manager... and multitasking. THEN I'd consider it.

I'll probably grab an iPhone 4G though, sick of carrying around my crappy phone and an iPod Touch. 4G seems to address some of the problems, with a bigger battery, better wireless connectivity, ect. Would only consider it if it was able to be jailbroken though. And I like the new, square look.


im a bit of a FLAC fan, unfortunately the ipood cant play it.....

That can be fixed I believe, I wouldn't use FLAC or any other lossless codec on the go though, takes up way too much space. 320kbps MP3 is just fine.

driftke70
6th May 2010, 11:33 AM
i paid 300 for a toshiba nb200c netbook,
it has 3 usb plugs, (one charges even when the computers off)
9+ hour battery life,
awesome keyboard,
good sound card
wireless internet
120 gb hd

why you would rather get an ipad is beyond me.

the media that will be available for the ipad is what you want, you dont want the ipad itself

ke70dave
6th May 2010, 11:45 AM
it has 3 usb plugs, (one charges even when the computers off)



do you mean that the usb is powered when the pc is off?

if so that is a fantastic feature, which i never really considered, but its a good idea for those with ipodphones/mp3players/normal phones that need to charge them in remote areas.

and yer clinton i love winamp, i even still run the "classic" skin. good ol grey and green! i just love the "play directory" feature. i have all my music dumped into my "music" folder. im not interested in media librarys. i just want to shuffle the whole lot. and not many players allow you to do that.

also i find the progression of laptop size to be fairly amusing, at first they were small, then we got the great idea that having a 19" laptop screen was a great idea, now we are back to small netbooks.

i guess its simliar to mobile phones,when mobile phones came out they were huge with credit card sim cards, few years ago tiny phones that you couldnt destry were all the rage, now look at the size of the ipodphone or nokia N97, back to huge phones again, that require leather pouches so you dont scratch the precious screen. weird hey.

but this thread is about ipads.....how funny was those idiots that smashed them up on the day they came out?

dave2221
6th May 2010, 12:34 PM
if your interested in extended battery life so you can read something.... just go get the book... THEY ARE FREE FROM LIBRARYS

some things i think are still best done ol' skool..... i think having an ipad so you can read a book is just a little early, the technology just isnt up to speed with the functionality

ill wait until i can get a netbook with a touch screen...... that way i get the best of everything.

driftke70
6th May 2010, 07:13 PM
http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/05/trouble-in-paradise-ipad-users-complain-of-wifi-issues/
http://techgeeks-online.com/wordpress/?p=981
http://www.mobilewhack.com/two-problems-with-the-ipad-so-far/
http://www.mahalo.com/ipad-problems
http://www.ozcarguide.com/technology/pc-notebook/2589-ipad-recall

stylz
6th May 2010, 09:23 PM
on the topic of iTunes failing, you dont need to use it. there are plenty of other programs that can do the same thing for transfering movies/music
im curruntly using "CopyTrans Control Center"
how ever you do need iTunes if you are downloading any apps/games that are over 20mb if your not in a WiFi zone

but yea, iPad looks fair useless, its just like the first gen of iphones. it came out with hardly any features, no bluetooth or even usb ports and the next version will include them and a few extra goodies just so people can upgrade and buy the new one again, and repeat process over and over and over again
refer to said picture
http://i.imgur.com/RdcuT.jpg

*end rant*

koolstik
7th May 2010, 08:57 PM
I'd be looking at either the Adam PC or the new HP slate PC over anything Apple

ke_70
7th May 2010, 10:06 PM
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10565&d=1273230359

driftke70
8th May 2010, 01:26 AM
already showing issues with connectivity, over heating, screen flickering, problems restoring from sleep mode.

an expensive netbook without a keyboard, or a usb plug, or a decent wireless setup, or a flexible operating system, or multi tasking.

its the impracticality of carrying a laptop, combined with the functionality of a smart phone.

it cant really replace a notebook as you'll end up carrying it in a bag, what you going to do, stand on a train with it in one hand white you play doodle jump.

Pidgey
20th May 2010, 04:57 PM
^^ Any link to this gPad?
I'm quite interested.

Nicko
21st May 2010, 11:34 AM
^^ Any link to this gPad?
I'm quite interested.

At the moment, it is just whispers and gospel. But with all of the Google apps out there, it would plug into the Google suite perfectly especially since they pretty much already have all their "online books" and stuff being archived every day.

Also, iPod discussions now split off to an iPod thread in the Gadgets forum since we got a little off topic there...

Cheers

Richard
26th May 2010, 04:14 PM
as far as i can tell its a giant iphone but without the phone or camera and it doesnt even fit in your pocket. Browsing the forums isnt to bad off an iphone because you can zoom in and out. Who knows i might just need some convincing and then i may change my mind

Sam-Q
28th May 2010, 01:59 AM
do yourself a favor and download the opera web browser

ke70dave
28th May 2010, 12:33 PM
so who has bought one?

lets get some first hand experience.

Nicko
28th May 2010, 01:07 PM
They uhm go on sale today, I think..

ke70dave
28th May 2010, 01:54 PM
yep today they are on sale.

thats why i asked! surely someone was camping out the front of an apple store somewhere.

n00bvak
28th May 2010, 03:10 PM
Nick do not buy into the hype. They are just an iPhone 3gs with a bit of software trickery and a big battery. Rubbish IMHO

I just got a HTC desire and not only does it shit on iPhone 35s/4g, it will shit all over the iTampon.

As said Gpad or whatever it will be called is already in development and a protype was shown at a gadget expo recently. From the video of the guy playing with it, it seems way better than the iRag.
http://zedomax.com/blog/2010/05/04/android-multi-touch-tablet-prototype-hands-on-review-web-2-0-expo/

And seriously, the iVagstuffer comes with a word processor but no ability to print, no bluetooth, wireless issues (have to set most routers up a specific way to get decent wireless signal/speed). Cant play flash websites, half of the internet is built on flash now days. And the biggest killer, you have to use the biggest piece of bloatware ever created ... iTUNES. fck I hate that program! It runs shithouse on PC's.

Some links to show you how sht it really is:
http://gizmodo.com/5525606/all-giz-wants-the-perfect-android-tablet
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/02/ipass-the-best-present-and-future-alternatives-to-the-apple-ipa/

DO NOT WANT!
Do not support Steve (hand)Jobs and his empire of shit. /rant

Nicko
28th May 2010, 03:21 PM
Agreed.

I will be lining up for the gPad instead.

As I already mentioned, I don't like apple ANYTHING :)

Richard
28th May 2010, 03:49 PM
Mate got an Ipad and he messaged me and went wow i just wasted my money. Be on ebay in a sec....but hes a computer programmer so he will find someway of fixing it

Richard
28th May 2010, 03:57 PM
whats this 1 post shit?

SA_kesev
30th May 2010, 01:48 PM
Wait for the HP Slate it seems alot better then the iPad
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/the-hp-slate/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/hp-slate-to-cost-549-have-1-6ghz-atom-z530-5-hour-battery/

driftke70
2nd June 2010, 01:48 AM
http://old.numaga.com/images/stories/wallpapers/2010_map/ipad__failure/004_ipad_numaga.com.jpg
http://old.numaga.com/images/stories/wallpapers/2010_map/ipad__failure/007_ipad_numaga.com.jpg
http://old.numaga.com/images/stories/wallpapers/2010_map/ipad__failure/008_ipad_numaga.com.jpg
http://old.numaga.com/images/stories/wallpapers/2010_map/ipad__failure/016_ipad_numaga.com.jpg
http://old.numaga.com/images/stories/wallpapers/2010_map/ipad__failure/017_ipad_numaga.com.jpg
http://old.numaga.com/images/stories/wallpapers/2010_map/ipad__failure/019_ipad_numaga.com.jpg
http://old.numaga.com/images/stories/wallpapers/2010_map/ipad__failure/021_ipad_numaga.com.jpg

ke70dave
2nd June 2010, 11:01 AM
i thought this may have taken longer!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q599sQ41_cI

not bad for $120.

wonder if it has a usb port...

driftke70
2nd June 2010, 01:01 PM
it obviously has flash and looks like it has a usb on the bottom right towards the middle. Better screen res and 16:9 instead of 4:3.

the iPad was beaten 7 years ago, some companies just hype the crap out of their products

http://www.tabletpc2.com/Review-HPTC1100.htm

i dont see the point in a tablet pc at all, whether it be a microsoft courier or a hp slate or ipad.

Only thing i could see that might be good is like restraunt situations where meals can be ordered, or if your an evaluator of a house or something and you walk around making notes of things, or to use it as a diary. But then the ipad cant accept stylus imput with letter recognition,
its too expensive to trust to such duties and is too expensive to use as a diary.

letsgohunting
2nd June 2010, 03:17 PM
that fake one doesn't have 16:9 aspect, more like 4:3 or maaaybe 3:2. if you've seen a fake iphone you'll see how gay the copies are in comparison.

letsgohunting
2nd June 2010, 03:19 PM
hp slate has been cancelled or at least put on the back burner, and the microsoft courier has been scrapped. Christ there's a lot of infactual information in this thread. The anti-apple bandwagon having a book burning again? Someone should post a picture of an alienware laptop and you can all masturbate to it. haha

letsgohunting
2nd June 2010, 04:07 PM
so who has bought one?

lets get some first hand experience.

I'v used it. It's not a laptop replacement a such - It was never designed to be. So all the guys going on about how it doesn't have this and doesn't have that are the kind of people should probably stop and leave the thread. It's a luxury item - you don't need one in the same way that you don't need to collect sneakers or put bigger turbo's on cars etc. You buy it because either you can see how it may make your life easier or you buy it because you think it's cool. Face it - 90% of electronics are like that. To be honest, if you had a desktop computer and wanted a portable computer for media consumption only (desktop can handle media creation) and don't like any of the netbooks (as I and many others don't) the ipad is a great choice. Similarly people who don't know how to use comptuters well and just want to pick up a slim and small device and use the internet, send emails and do social networking shit.

It seems to be really really nice for media consumption - being all the social media networks and sites, looking at/displaying and storing photos, music playing, video playing (probably especially in regards to travel - because it's very thin, very light, has a 11.5+ battery life which has been independently tested, and has a very very nice screen - much better than most netbooks)
All the standard iphone OS apps have been very much re-worked - calender/photo/ipod all revamped and very very well designed. Didn't get to play with safari because the stores wifi wasn't connected and they sold their allocation of 3g models in the first hour of release. Pages (word), keynote (powerpoint) and numbers (excel) are all really great for media consumption - for instance receiving docs in email and looking through them, or using as a portable powerpoint display etc etc. I was particularly impressed by keynote - seems to be very very well designed. Can't print from pages unfortunately BUT there are already 3rd party printing apps via wifi/bluetooth. Besides that - Jobs himself has said that wireless printing will come soon natively for ipad: http://mashable.com/2010/05/10/steve-jobs-ipad-printing-it-will-come/. All the iphone wireless print apps work on the ipad too: http://www.cartridgesave.co.uk/news/top-iphone-wireless-printing-applications/

The book application is really good - books are really natural looking and everything is very adjustable.
review here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X5CeR0-bKM&feature=related

Device itself is really well made - real aluminum, typical apple solidity and super tight build.
The onscreen keyboard is loads easier to use than phone touchscreen keyboards - and I'd say personally it's slightly easier to use than the netbook keyboards which are scaled down and squished. Though in saying that, it's still no where near as good as a real keyboard. I'd call it a decent compromise - note that you can buy an apple keyboard for the ipad as well.


As for cool uses - my interpretation is that the device starts off as a basic platform. It's pretty expandable - eg:

AirDisplay - allows ipad to be used as secondary monitor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rafJRCbPOA&feature=related

Sketchbook Pro - epic drawing/painting program. Utilized layers like photoshop. Companies are making drawing stylus's for the program as well - looks like they work really well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ44S17mHO4
with stylus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szqEt-2o5VY
better finger drawing demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilxp_0kSZGc

Remote desktop capability -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x58K4fA9wXI

Box - Is like having an osx finder or windows explorer directory for the ipad - something which some people bitch about with the iphone OS, unbeknown to them that you can actually have one. It's free too.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/box-net/id290853822?mt=8

letsgohunting
2nd June 2010, 04:09 PM
Also people should know that the latest word on the apple rumor mill is that apple is working on a more powerful version of the ipad that will run and OS either the same as or very similar to OSX.

That's what I'd spend my money on personally.

AJPS
2nd June 2010, 04:11 PM
Im not anti apple, but i used an ipad and its shit, and has fuck all features.

It seems like an Itunes purchasing hub for superseeded games

letsgohunting
2nd June 2010, 04:35 PM
the base features are exactly that, there are a LOT of applications available for them, and that equates to a lot of expansion. I think the essence though, as I said, is just as a media consumption device. I can personally see why people would buy it just to get home from work and hop on facebook and the internet on it, it's somewhat more 'fuss-free' than a laptop for those sorts of things.

Flicking through stuff, pinching and swiping is very natural and I think the fact that it's sort of interactive appeals to a lot of people.

Richard
2nd June 2010, 04:40 PM
pwned

letsgohunting
2nd June 2010, 04:58 PM
Official figures are sitting at 2 million iPads sold in the US in under 60 days
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20006383-37.html

Haha... all the naysayers and anti-apple bandwagoners that go on about how bad the ipad is are the ones that lose really, as apple gains massive traction in the personal computer market, and netbook sales decline dramatically..

eg:
http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/survey-shows-ipad-has-cut-netbook-sales-by-30-20100526/

driftke70
2nd June 2010, 08:53 PM
lets go that is data from one website,


http://ipadnewshub.com/2010/05/ipad-vs-netbook-ipad-sales-wont-cripple-netbook-sales/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/195898/ipad_vs_netbook_the_battle_continues.html
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/23448/20100513/ipad-will-not-affect-netbook-sales-intel-amd-execs.htm

do proper research, not what you want to read.


I'v used it. It's not a laptop replacement a such - It was never designed to be. So all the guys going on about how it doesn't have this and doesn't have that are the kind of people should probably stop and leave the thread.
Then why are you comparing sales to netbooks?
What is it designed to be?

It's a luxury item - you don't need one in the same way that you don't need to collect sneakers or put bigger turbo's on cars etc. You buy it because either you can see how it may make your life easier or you buy it because you think it's cool. Face it - 90% of electronics are like that. To be honest, if you had a desktop computer and wanted a portable computer for media consumption only (desktop can handle media creation) and don't like any of the netbooks (as I and many others don't) the ipad is a great choice. Similarly people who don't know how to use comptuters well and just want to pick up a slim and small device and use the internet, send emails and do social networking shit.

It seems to be really really nice for media consumption - being all the social media networks and sites, looking at/displaying and storing photos, music playing, video playing (probably especially in regards to travel - because it's very thin, very light, has a 11.5+ battery life which has been independently tested, and has a very very nice screen - much better than most netbooks)
Media consumption, like online video, which is all flash based and cant be viewed.
Storying photos, without a firewire or usb plug, using a usb cord to transfer is tedious at best, not to mention 64gig isnt going to do a great deal. I have had my camera for under a year and have over that.
Music playing? not really the greatest thing, im not going to carry around something 10 inches in size to play music. Not to mention you cant even use it to play music while you are doing something else on it.
Watching videos? everything has to be synced from itunes, and the video must be purchased from apple, you cant merely convert using handbrake and sync on, all the video you will be watching WILL be purchased. Which for me would throw over 1tb of move and tv down the toilet.
The very nice screen you refer to is not even 16:9 resolution (it is 4:3) which will either cut down what your watching, or shrink it down and lose quality.
You say the quality of the screen is better than most netbooks, most netbooks cost half as much as an iPad, the netbooks that cost the same have 16:9 and 1080p, neither of which the iPad has.


All the standard iphone OS apps have been very much re-worked - calender/photo/ipod all revamped and very very well designed. Didn't get to play with safari because the stores wifi wasn't connected and they sold their allocation of 3g models in the first hour of release. Pages (word), keynote (powerpoint) and numbers (excel) are all really great for media consumption - for instance receiving docs in email and looking through them, or using as a portable powerpoint display etc etc. I was particularly impressed by keynote - seems to be very very well designed. Can't print from pages unfortunately BUT there are already 3rd party printing apps via wifi/bluetooth. Besides that - Jobs himself has said that wireless printing will come soon natively for ipad: http://mashable.com/2010/05/10/steve...-it-will-come/. All the iphone wireless print apps work on the ipad too: http://www.cartridgesave.co.uk/news/...-applications/

Why would you want to be able to read through documents and emails and sit there and view power points without being able to readily make changes.
When I do uni assignments, I type at over 80wpm, frequently run excel word, one note, power point and adobe pdf reader all side by side. The ipad would have to close each program
and open up another just to quickly check something on the criteria sheet or the likes. Not to mention cant play music in the background while doing so, and even if it could I have over 30gig of music on my netbook. Leaves 30gig free for other jive which is sweet dick all.


The book application is really good - books are really natural looking and everything is very adjustable.
review here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X5Ce...eature=related
You can buy a dickload of books for 900 dollars. The kindle is available for under 200, so you can buy a kindle and a decent netbook for under half the price of a ipad.
Oh and you can also go buy an ipod touch and still have change.


Device itself is really well made - real aluminum, typical apple solidity and super tight build.
The onscreen keyboard is loads easier to use than phone touchscreen keyboards - and I'd say personally it's slightly easier to use than the netbook keyboards which are scaled down and squished. Though in saying that, it's still no where near as good as a real keyboard. I'd call it a decent compromise - note that you can buy an apple keyboard for the ipad as well.

bullshit statement of the year, you used it for 5 mins in a shop while it was laying flat down on a table and you were standing looking down over the top of it, if you were sitting on a chair it would scoot all over your lap and shit, if you held it you would only have one hand. If you sat down at a table and put it down it would hurt your hands and feel stupid. I can type over 80wpm on my netbook. You keep saying its not a replacement for laptops yet you keep making direct comparisons. The purchaseable keyboard costs 90 dollars, and completely ruins any advantage a iPad MIGHT have over a netbook in portability. Which is zero, as it takes up the same amount of room in a bag as a netbook.
You call it a decent compromise, to what? a phone? why should a tablet keyboard be compared to a phone keyboard? if its inferior to what your comparing it to, a note book, then its inferior.
My netbook cost 300 dollars, and it has a great keyboard. The top of the line netbooks that are cheaper than the ipad have even better keyboards. Not to mention the other features that leave them for dead.
this here is 440 dollars
http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=6
It is the same size, weighs LESS, is slightly thicker and will outdo the iPad in every respect, my nb has gone over the 10 hour battery point many times, I wouldn't be surprised if it did 11 hours. Thats multitasking with music playing and the screen relatively bright.
Did i mention its half the price?



As for cool uses - my interpretation is that the device starts off as a basic platform. It's pretty expandable - eg:

AirDisplay - allows ipad to be used as secondary monitor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rafJ...eature=related

Sketchbook Pro - epic drawing/painting program. Utilized layers like photoshop. Companies are making drawing stylus's for the program as well - looks like they work really well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ44S17mHO4
with stylus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szqEt-2o5VY
better finger drawing demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilxp_0kSZGc

Remote desktop capability -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x58K4fA9wXI

Box - Is like having an osx finder or windows explorer directory for the ipad - something which some people bitch about with the iphone OS, unbeknown to them that you can actually have one. It's free too.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/box-net/id290853822?mt=8
All things that netbooks come with standard, so much so they wouldn't even bother to list them as abilities in a spec sheet.

How is a netbook a pain to do any form of internet stuff?
the iPad doesnt have flash, so every one of the social net working sites will have to be an app that will need to be opened and closed to operate in.
My netbook I can open up firefox and go bang bang bang and have 5 tabs open with each site I want to visit and be done with each within 10 seconds.
The ipad will take ALOT longer.

I know where my money would (and has) go, and the people im going to continue laughing at.

driftke70
2nd June 2010, 08:54 PM
heres some more info to show you how good they are at
"media consumption"
which is another name for
"lack of ability"
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=km5&rlz=1R1DVFC_en___AU359&q=ipad+freezing&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Sam-Q
2nd June 2010, 09:09 PM
I know it's not meant to be like a newbook but shit no USB? is that true? if so what kind of dumb shit is that. Sub $100 mobiles even have them.

Mickey H
2nd June 2010, 09:24 PM
I know it's not meant to be like a newbook but shit no USB? is that true? if so what kind of dumb shit is that. Sub $100 mobiles even have them.

They will release a version with USB next year, it will be 'new and improved', cost just as much as the current one and retards will still buy it.
They have been doing the same thing with the iPhone for years.

letsgohunting
2nd June 2010, 09:30 PM
They will release a version with USB next year, it will be 'new and improved', cost just as much as the current one and retards will still buy it.
They have been doing the same thing with the iPhone for years.

I'm really not keen to continue petty fights but you do realise that the iphone has had 2 Versions in Aus in a period of like 3 years right? The second version only had faster hardware. And through the models they offered firmware updates to upgrade the older model phones to the same software specs as the newer phones. My 4 year old iphone 2g got a software upgrade with added features when the 3g came out, and then I got the copy and paste, voice recorder etc etc added features when the 3gs came out too.

Everytime other manufacturers bring out a new phone they don't send out firmware upgrades to the old models to bring features up the new one...

letsgohunting
2nd June 2010, 10:52 PM
lets go that is data from one website,


http://ipadnewshub.com/2010/05/ipad-vs-netbook-ipad-sales-wont-cripple-netbook-sales/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/195898/ipad_vs_netbook_the_battle_continues.html
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/23448/20100513/ipad-will-not-affect-netbook-sales-intel-amd-execs.htm

do proper research, not what you want to read.


Then why are you comparing sales to netbooks?
What is it designed to be?

Media consumption, like online video, which is all flash based and cant be viewed.
Storying photos, without a firewire or usb plug, using a usb cord to transfer is tedious at best, not to mention 64gig isnt going to do a great deal. I have had my camera for under a year and have over that.
Music playing? not really the greatest thing, im not going to carry around something 10 inches in size to play music. Not to mention you cant even use it to play music while you are doing something else on it.
Watching videos? everything has to be synced from itunes, and the video must be purchased from apple, you cant merely convert using handbrake and sync on, all the video you will be watching WILL be purchased. Which for me would throw over 1tb of move and tv down the toilet.
The very nice screen you refer to is not even 16:9 resolution (it is 4:3) which will either cut down what your watching, or shrink it down and lose quality.
You say the quality of the screen is better than most netbooks, most netbooks cost half as much as an iPad, the netbooks that cost the same have 16:9 and 1080p, neither of which the iPad has.


Why would you want to be able to read through documents and emails and sit there and view power points without being able to readily make changes.
When I do uni assignments, I type at over 80wpm, frequently run excel word, one note, power point and adobe pdf reader all side by side. The ipad would have to close each program
and open up another just to quickly check something on the criteria sheet or the likes. Not to mention cant play music in the background while doing so, and even if it could I have over 30gig of music on my netbook. Leaves 30gig free for other jive which is sweet dick all.

You can buy a dickload of books for 900 dollars. The kindle is available for under 200, so you can buy a kindle and a decent netbook for under half the price of a ipad.
Oh and you can also go buy an ipod touch and still have change.

bullshit statement of the year, you used it for 5 mins in a shop while it was laying flat down on a table and you were standing looking down over the top of it, if you were sitting on a chair it would scoot all over your lap and shit, if you held it you would only have one hand. If you sat down at a table and put it down it would hurt your hands and feel stupid. I can type over 80wpm on my netbook. You keep saying its not a replacement for laptops yet you keep making direct comparisons. The purchaseable keyboard costs 90 dollars, and completely ruins any advantage a iPad MIGHT have over a netbook in portability. Which is zero, as it takes up the same amount of room in a bag as a netbook.
You call it a decent compromise, to what? a phone? why should a tablet keyboard be compared to a phone keyboard? if its inferior to what your comparing it to, a note book, then its inferior.
My netbook cost 300 dollars, and it has a great keyboard. The top of the line netbooks that are cheaper than the ipad have even better keyboards. Not to mention the other features that leave them for dead.
this here is 440 dollars
http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=6
It is the same size, weighs LESS, is slightly thicker and will outdo the iPad in every respect, my nb has gone over the 10 hour battery point many times, I wouldn't be surprised if it did 11 hours. Thats multitasking with music playing and the screen relatively bright.
Did i mention its half the price?



All things that netbooks come with standard, so much so they wouldn't even bother to list them as abilities in a spec sheet.

How is a netbook a pain to do any form of internet stuff?
the iPad doesnt have flash, so every one of the social net working sites will have to be an app that will need to be opened and closed to operate in.
My netbook I can open up firefox and go bang bang bang and have 5 tabs open with each site I want to visit and be done with each within 10 seconds.
The ipad will take ALOT longer.

I know where my money would (and has) go, and the people im going to continue laughing at.

I couldn't care less what you say really about the device really, I've used it and I know what I think about it. if you don't like it, don't buy it - just the same as any other tech out there. It's quite weird how obsessively anti-apple you are.

driftke70
2nd June 2010, 11:02 PM
thats because their phones wouldnt have missed such obvious features in the first place.

im not anti apple, im against stupid marketing and people buying into what they dont know.
I wouldnt use it cause I dont give a crap, when I go into harvey norman or something I dont test every single lap top they have in there,
i dont go play the ps3 and the wii display, walk over to the desktops and test every monitor. And I care about those things more than I
do about the iPad.

To you it might be the next big thing, to me its a blown up ipod touch with crappy UI.

Like I said in my other post,
when this was released
http://www.tabletpc2.com/Review-HPTC1100.htm
was there people going nuts and hyping it up, was jimny fallon talking about it for 45 minutes on his show,

did they publish inter company letters on their website?

its all just childish bull crap.

research how many people are selling them second hand.

in regards to your google search, again bending statistics,
your post would be the same as me saying mac overheating problems, but i didnt, i said ipad problems,

search this
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=toshiba+nb200+problems&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
and you will see there arnt really any problems, i can see one or two driver issues which is easy fixed.

my phoen has been superceeded yet still receives firmware upgrades on a regular basis.

its not a question of why im anti apple, its more a question of why you act as though anybody saying something bad about steve jobs is like disrespecting your father, or why any body whiffs anything against an apple and you have 101 excuses or reasons why you should put up with it.

like any phone just chucks a feature on, apple cant do that, they will call it like fox read and make a huge issue about it.

the fine line between buying a good product, and being so warped you will convince yourself before steve jobs even has a chance.

you say my apple damage control thing was bullshit, prove me wrong and test it for yourself.

go to their tech support forums and make a topic saying these exact points.

Title - iPad problems

Body - make something up like when you turn it on the screen flickers on and off even when plugged in.
Or that when you turn it on a single white apple logo appears in the middle even when fully charged and plugged in and you have tried vairous hard resets etc and nothing is working.

I guarantee your topic will be missing in the morning.

It happened to me like 5 times with my ipod problems, some moderators kept cleaning any listed faults that wernt user error.

driftke70
2nd June 2010, 11:06 PM
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/opinion-apples-damage-control-cant-polish-the-tarnished-app-store-brand-20090921/

from the same site you quotes earlier but you must have skipped over it.

im anti bullshit, and apple is bullshit, all the stuff they market, all the hype they generate, all the people that would rather die than admit a fault with their computer.

driftke70
2nd June 2010, 11:09 PM
you cant go on about it, then say you dont care you have used it and im "anti apple" for thinking its a stupid device.

defend to the death -> get disproven -> seek moral high ground.

letsgohunting
2nd June 2010, 11:38 PM
I'm going to point out flaws in your arguments. There are many of them.



Media consumption, like online video, which is all flash based and cant be viewed.
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Youtube and Vimeo both work on ipad/iphone.

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Storying photos, without a firewire or usb plug, using a usb cord to transfer is tedious at best, not to mention 64gig isnt going to do a great deal. I have had my camera for under a year and have over that.

It has a camera card reader connection. on my normal computer I use a card reader - it's no different, and it's not tedious, and thats coming from a pro photographer. It's not meant to be an all out storage device. 64gb is enough for travel and short term travel assignments. A lot of photographers back up their photos immediately after they've shot a sessions - many of them use epson and canon photo storage units. The RRP of the cheapest one is the epson p-4000 at $600 and its only 40gb. In other words - you do a memory card dump on there every night while travelling, and then merge the raws to your main computer when you get home. No, it isn't enough for an all in one computer - no, it's not designed for that.



Music playing? not really the greatest thing, im not going to carry around something 10 inches in size to play music. Not to mention you cant even use it to play music while you are doing something else on it.

It can be used in EXACTLY the same way as netbooks for music, but it has better speakers and an inbuilt ipod.
And yes, you can play music while doing something else, and that goes for the iphone too. The music will play in the background of ANY of the standard applications



Watching videos? everything has to be synced from itunes, and the video must be purchased from apple, you cant merely convert using handbrake and sync on, all the video you will be watching WILL be purchased. Which for me would throw over 1tb of move and tv down the toilet.

All the videos that you have can be put into itunes and then converted to MPEG4 format WITHIN itunes natively for viewing on the device. They're all able to be watched on the ipad.



The very nice screen you refer to is not even 16:9 resolution (it is 4:3) which will either cut down what your watching, or shrink it down and lose quality.
You say the quality of the screen is better than most netbooks, most netbooks cost half as much as an iPad, the netbooks that cost the same have 16:9 and 1080p, neither of which the iPad has.


Most netbooks are up around 500-600 dollars - which is the same price, and they have lower resolution and less bright screens. You change your screen aspect ratio argument to suit your point - a while ago you were paying out imac screens for going to 16:9 aspect, and now you're saying that the ipad is bad because it isn't in that ratio. Really, it doesn't make a big difference if the screen gets letterboxed and the actual picture is smaller, it's still higher resolution and brighter than a netbook. Probably the same size too, and with better speakers.



Why would you want to be able to read through documents and emails and sit there and view power points without being able to readily make changes.

You can make changes in all the work programs. all of them. The same changes you can make on a laptop.



When I do uni assignments, I type at over 80wpm, frequently run excel word, one note, power point and adobe pdf reader all side by side. The ipad would have to close each program
and open up another just to quickly check something on the criteria sheet or the likes.

Multitasking is coming in the next OS update. Same with iphone.



Not to mention cant play music in the background while doing so


Err, yes, actually you can play music in the background whilst on the work programs. Even my iphone can do this.




You can buy a dickload of books for 900 dollars. The kindle is available for under 200, so you can buy a kindle and a decent netbook for under half the price of a ipad.
Oh and you can also go buy an ipod touch and still have change.

The kindle is $300australian and doesn't do anything else besides books.



bullshit statement of the year, you used it for 5 mins in a shop while it was laying flat down on a table and you were standing looking down over the top of it, if you were sitting on a chair it would scoot all over your lap and shit, if you held it you would only have one hand. If you sat down at a table and put it down it would hurt your hands and feel stupid.


I had it on a flat surface and it didn't move around or do anything really. You're only theorising about what you'd expect would happen, like the forum warrior you so well portray.



I can type over 80wpm on my netbook. You keep saying its not a replacement for laptops yet you keep making direct comparisons.

The fact that you measure how fast you type is weird. I'm sure you can type faster on your netbook than you can on an ipad. I couldn't care less really.



The purchaseable keyboard costs 90 dollars, and completely ruins any advantage a iPad MIGHT have over a netbook in portability. Which is zero, as it takes up the same amount of room in a bag as a netbook.

Once again, for you, this is the case. For other people, who may use an ipad at work without another computer and want to be able to dock it to a keyboard to do writing tasks, the keyboard may be invaluable. Once again, you're completely discounting something based on YOUR requirements. If it doesn't work for you, move on.




You call it a decent compromise, to what? a phone? why should a tablet keyboard be compared to a phone keyboard? if its inferior to what your comparing it to, a note book, then its inferior.

It's a decent compromise because it doesn't have to pivot in the middle and become twice the size as a netbook does. It's a decent compromise because it's a single slim screen and the keyboard works well enough to use. Once again, that was only my evaluation of it, I couldn't care if you don't agree. Your opinions are not absolute and all-powerful.



My netbook cost 300 dollars, and it has a great keyboard. The top of the line netbooks that are cheaper than the ipad have even better keyboards. Not to mention the other features that leave them for dead.

I don't care dude, I don't like netbooks. They feel like an afterthought in design. My opinion - once again I don't care if you don't share it.



this here is 440 dollars
http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=6
It is the same size, weighs LESS, is slightly thicker and will outdo the iPad in every respect, my nb has gone over the 10 hour battery point many times, I wouldn't be surprised if it did 11 hours. Thats multitasking with music playing and the screen relatively bright.
Did i mention its half the price?

That link goes to a 15 inch acer laptop that's 3 times the weight and significantly thicker, and it costs $600.



How is a netbook a pain to do any form of internet stuff?
the iPad doesnt have flash, so every one of the social net working sites will have to be an app that will need to be opened and closed to operate in.

I'll give you an example, your netbook doesn't allow scrolling in internet browsers via multitouch. My macbook allows me to use two fingers on the touch pad and scroll down. the Ipad gives a bigger screen/viewing area with the internet than a netbook, and because it's a touch interface, it's quicker to scroll and flick through stuff. I hate using a trackpad to click a button to move the page down on a webpage, especially on a tiny little dim screen.



My netbook I can open up firefox and go bang bang bang and have 5 tabs open with each site I want to visit and be done with each within 10 seconds.
The ipad will take ALOT longer.

my iphone can open up multiple tabs in the internet browser, and the ipad can as well. Don't know what you're going on about.



I know where my money would (and has) go, and the people im going to continue laughing at.
You laugh at people for buying a piece of technology that suits THEIR needs rather than yours? Pretty fucking sad. I guess it would be the same sort of thing as someone laughing at you for spending precious money driving and building 1980's corolla?

letsgohunting
2nd June 2010, 11:53 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that you're anti apple actually. You've gone into great depths about how you hate apple and their products in nearly every thread that has even mentioned them. I'm not getting offended that you're attacking apple, I'm offended that you act as if you're somehow in possession of a higher knowledge than me with computers, and that your choice and opinion is the only one that counts.

You're not anti bullshit, because half the stuff that you write about why you hate apples so much is bullshit. Like when you swore blue in the face that the ipad didn't come with bluetooth, even when it was on an apple flyer for the ipad. You barely even accepted it when you were shown on the device itself. Yes, you don't like the ipad or any apple product. I don't care. Let's just remember the person that went into the iPad thread and actively stirred the pot.

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 12:01 AM
you say my apple damage control thing was bullshit, prove me wrong and test it for yourself.

go to their tech support forums and make a topic saying these exact points.

Title - iPad problems

Body - make something up like when you turn it on the screen flickers on and off even when plugged in.
Or that when you turn it on a single white apple logo appears in the middle even when fully charged and plugged in and you have tried vairous hard resets etc and nothing is working.

I guarantee your topic will be missing in the morning.

It happened to me like 5 times with my ipod problems, some moderators kept cleaning any listed faults that wernt user error.

Funny, I went on the forums and searched for the term "ipod not working" and came up with pages of topics with hardware issues, even ones where the mods recommended taking it into an apple store.

driftke70
3rd June 2010, 12:20 AM
show me evidence of being able to play music.

this is the laptop for 440
http://203.185.232.2/dbs/images/pic/14223.jpg

my track pad does scroll web sites up down and left to right,

a netbook opening up doesnt waste twice as much space, a vertical screen doesnt take up any space,
having no fold out keyboard is a waste of space.

you keep referring that it might make sense for other people as though its sales are horendous and all these people cant be wrong,
i never said its useless and noone is going to be able to enjoy it.

I said it has many faults, its overly priced, and currently, you can do much better for much less money.

That lap top I posted weighs less, takes up just as much room in a bag, iPad might be like .5cm thinner or what ever but in real world terms thats not going to make a difference.
It has equal battery life,
Plays more video types, more easily (drag and drop, just plug in an external hd, flash drive or stream)
can do more with pictures and hold more and transfer them more easily.
holds more music, has more flexibility in how they are played and stored, can be dragged and dropped or played from any external source
is easier to word process and faster
boots up just as quickly
can do spread sheets or power point more easily, also these things can be accessed more easily without having to use adaptors or anything.
software is easy to get, free in 99% of instances, will do 99% of the things you need without software
has a camera, web cam, mic in plug, vga out.
sd card reader,
ethernet

various other things,

if the ipad had a hd driver bigger than 64 gig and an expandible size with a sd or micro sd or something like that,
allowed flash, even if disabled from factory
multi tasked (whether the update includes this is yet to be seen)
had a usb plug, even just one. (that wouldnt ruin its elegant lines too much)
allowed drag and drop of files without having to sync and convert through i tunes and played a realistic amount of file types
had a dv out or vga for easy access to a tv without adaptors.

i would see a use for it.

having to carry adaptors and such defies its more portable nature (I argue its no more portable than a netbook)

you quoted its price as 600 dollars.

on the apple website
it starts at 629 for a 16gb no 3g model.

the nb300 for 440 has 120gb
has an input for a sim card

the 64gb 3g version which is realistically what you want, especially in australia where readily available wifi is rare.
thats 1049 dollars. without 3g its 880 dollars.
So you can literally buy 2 top of the range toshiba netbooks for the price of a 64gb ipad.

even the macbook is 1300 dollars, less than 250 more than the iPad.
that macbooks portability is only SLIGHTLY less than the iPad, but its usability is a thousand times better.

its just not justifiable TO ME, and I cant see how it can be to many others.

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 12:25 AM
its just not justifiable TO ME, and I cant see how it can be to many others.

This is a glass half full or glass half empty argument. The very things that you prefer a netbook for, makes me disregard the netbook as an option.

2 million people so far in US alone - in 60 days have been able to justify it, and that by itself should be enough proof to you that your criticism doesn't apply to others.

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 12:28 AM
show me evidence of being able to play music.


I will show you next time I see you, although it's rather laughable you don't believe me - I've been using my iphone for a number of years now, and I play music in the background of other apps pretty much all the time.

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 12:32 AM
Ipad is half the weight and 1/3 the thickness of the toshiba nb300. That's actually quite a bit.

http://images.apple.com/ipad/specs/images/dimensions_20100127.jpg

Size and weight
Height:9.56 inches (242.8 mm)
Width:7.47 inches (189.7 mm)
Depth:0.5 inch (13.4 mm)
Weight:1.5 pounds (0.68 kg) Wi-Fi model;
1.6 pounds (0.73 kg) Wi-Fi + 3G model

driftke70
3rd June 2010, 12:37 AM
and if your so obsessed with me being anti apple so be it, if your prepared to waste YOUR money....
on something like this thats your problem.

If i wasnt anti apple i would be pro apple and I would have one, but i dont, and i think they are a waste of money.

any apple product would not improve my life in any way, over anything else on the market.
you can argue till your blue in the face that they have for you, but in my time knowing you I see no evidence of this.
Id even go as far to say that all the time you spend researching them, any time if any spent earning the extra money to buy them over
much cheaper options, has prevented you from being able to complete more work, and buy more things that would aid your business in a
more effective manner.

that 1000 dollar ipad is a 1000 dollar camera lense,
you can say your dad gave you your mac book pro so you couldnt have spent the money on other things, but the people your trying to convince about macs might be better off with their 1200 dollar savings somewhere else.

driftke70
3rd June 2010, 12:42 AM
well all those websites saying it cant must be wrong,

netbooks sold more than 2 million in 60 days.

if the ipad was twice as thick, just so it could have a usb slot, i think that would be worth it.

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 12:50 AM
According to this site:
http://netbook10.com/netbook-statistics-2009/

Total netbook sales in US 2009 were 33.3 Million. So sales of 2 million for a single companies product in 60 days is quite a large number.

Mickey H
3rd June 2010, 12:57 AM
According to this site:
http://netbook10.com/netbook-statistics-2009/

Total netbook sales in US 2009 were 33.3 Million. So sales of 2 million for a single companies product in 60 days is quite a large number.
Not a great deal considering their population as a whole. Not to mention Americans aren't known to be smart with money (global financial crisis), and their love for shiny, useless objects.

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 12:59 AM
and if your so obsessed with me being anti apple so be it, if your prepared to waste YOUR money....
on something like this thats your problem.

you can argue till your blue in the face that they have for you, but in my time knowing you I see no evidence of this.
Id even go as far to say that all the time you spend researching them, any time if any spent earning the extra money to buy them over
much cheaper options, has prevented you from being able to complete more work, and buy more things that would aid your business in a
more effective manner.

Thats where you are wrong, it's not wasting my money at all, if I buy something it's because it suits what I'm going to be use it for. I don't understand how you have such trouble comprehending it.

I bought an apple computer because of the constant trouble I had with windows OS. Wether you like it or not, I had issue after niggle after issue with all my windows machines - to the point where it affected my productivity with it, and my whole family can attest to that, as well as my girlfriend. Don't think that you know better than that, because that would be extremely arrogant. Make no assumptions for situations in which you do not know.
I don't actually need to justify all this to you, because no matter what I say you'll just brush it off as me not being able to use computers, or using the wrong ones, or not setting them up properly etc etc, all of which would be false assumptions.

driftke70
3rd June 2010, 12:59 AM
dont forget the ipad is the type of product where sales will decline, taking into account how many people pre bought it.

like for instance, pre buying the ipad, other companies you cant pre buy stuff.

walk into joyce mayne, "i would like to pre buy the netbook thats all hyped up and comming out in 4 months time"

part of this would be to get sales figures i feel.

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 01:04 AM
Not a great deal considering their population as a whole. Not to mention Americans aren't known to be smart with money (global financial crisis), and their love for shiny, useless objects.

Extrapolating current sales into a years worth, it's half of all combines companies netbooks sold, from one company. If you don't think that's a significant amount you need to go to business school. CEO of toshiba has already stated he expects his companies netbook sales to suffer because of the ipad.

driftke70
3rd June 2010, 01:07 AM
in words, describe to me an issue that you had with windows.

in relation to this, i think its suffice to say that i know more about apple computers, than you know about windows computers.

i do know that everything you did with your windows was a reactive measure and never a preventative measure.
im not talking about anti virus software or something.

like i know bryce used to download a shitload of dodgey shit all the time.

all your computers faults were before your photography, at which point in time your computers surfed the web, played games, and processed some documents. for you to say i dont know how things went wrong, there was nothing to go wrong, so if it did, one makes assumptions.

my pcs have done an extraordinary amount of things over a long period of time, ive never had any failures, only problem i have had in my family is tht grans acer lap top power plug got all loose and stopped working and the replacement part was too expensive to justify replacement.

all my other computers worked for around 3 or 4 years and were just replaced cause we either needed another computer, they were just too old for modern use or dad just wanted to splash out for the family.

there are so many variables compared to the 2 you are choosing to use, which are pc vs mac.

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 01:09 AM
dont forget the ipad is the type of product where sales will decline, taking into account how many people pre bought it.

like for instance, pre buying the ipad, other companies you cant pre buy stuff.

walk into joyce mayne, "i would like to pre buy the netbook thats all hyped up and comming out in 4 months time"

part of this would be to get sales figures i feel.

Iphone sales didn't decline, they actually grew. It's quite possible the ipad will follow that trend.

And you're once again wrong, you certainly CAN pre-order other companies stuff:
Toshiba netbook pre-order: http://blogntech.com/toshiba-nb205-netbook-now-available-for-pre-order.html
Toshiba Phone pre-order: http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/toshiba_g810_pre_order
Nokia Phone: http://maemo.nokia.com/news/nokia-n900-now-available-for-preorder/

Another thing you try to twist into anti-apple agenda.

driftke70
3rd June 2010, 01:56 AM
except for your apple computer you asked me to fix for you the other day

you said it would be arrogant to say i knew more, you just did when clearly you dont.

its not a bragging contests, its just you think i know less of what you do than i actually do.

its suffice to say if you knew what you were doing you wouldn't have had those issues.
in the same way you wouldnt have your programs freezing on your mac,
which is more difficult according to your claims of macs abilities.

and a good worker never blames his tools.

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 09:07 AM
haha okay dude. I asked you to fix a problem in windows, not osx.

ke70dave
3rd June 2010, 09:12 AM
Thanks for the 1st hand response there letsgohunting

next time im in JBhifi ill check it out.

edit: this post was in response to a few posts back i think....think i skipped a stack of posts....or something...

Richard
3rd June 2010, 09:56 AM
whoa too much to read. lets just come to the conclusion that it is a novelty with still alotta of cool apps ect. i wont own one but i wouldnt say no if i was given one and they must have some sorta entertainment value as they are selling like hotcakes. If you want one then go buy one and if you don't want one then move along people

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 01:41 PM
Yeah I would agree from my play with one - they're a luxury item for people who like gadgets.

Chaos Theory
3rd June 2010, 02:09 PM
Beally you are a common hater, you know absolutely nothing of apple at all however I will agree with you. Ipad is completely pointless and the lack of flash is killing exactly what it was designed for, media consumption and web browsing.

Mac computers on the other hand win and always will win. Windows is a piece of shit and anyone who actually thinks it's better than osx has never used a mac for an extended period of time. Don't even try to bring pc gaming into this as a mac is perfectly capable of playing the same games as any pc, it's just that there arent many third party game developers who are going to bother making games for a platform that holds ten percent of the market. If pc fags got bill gates devil dick out of their mouth for one second they would be able to see this and go buy a mac.

driftke70
3rd June 2010, 02:15 PM
i play games on my x box, have not a single issue with windows.

justify to me why i should go spend an extra thousand dollars just to have osx?

Toy-Yoda
3rd June 2010, 02:21 PM
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/1/3/549836.jpg

ke70dave
3rd June 2010, 02:34 PM
hahah well played toy-yoda.

ive never had any major dramas with windows. the ppl that do have dramas dont know how to use it or download to many naughty videos and images. or visit lots of dodgy websites.

keep the drivers up to date, dont do anythign stupid, dont fill it up with junk and keep an eye on what you are installing as "extras" with programs (ie that bloody google toolbar!) and windows runs perfectly fine.

im sure OSX does as well. its a preference thing.

though i have a feeling osx is a bit more "dumbed down" (for lack of a better word) so people cant stuff with it, and thus it appears to run "better". but in realty they just dont have the privlidges to stuff it up:P not saying that is bad, if it does what you want to do then thats all you need.

Chaos Theory
3rd June 2010, 02:40 PM
To avoid using the buggy purposely poorly programmed so users have to buy new computers or reformat their junk every two months operating system that is windows at all costs.

No but really I can't think of that many reasons other than multimedia creation. How many Recording or animation studios have you heard of that use $300 toshiba laptops or even windows for that matter? It's far too unstable of an operating system and one crash could potentially lose everything. As someone who uses computers for multimedia creation I am not about to let that happen.

iTunes is no more bloaty then the windows registry, everytime you even access a file a second version is created. Without adequate registry scanners, spyware/malware, virus protection, firewalls etc etc a windows based pc will get slower and slower the more you use it.

I too owned a toshiba laptop for close to 6 years not a single problem with the hardware until a month ago when I dropped it and it stopped working altogether, won't even boot up now. I did however have numerous probLems with windows. Linux is a possibility and while it's ok for freeware it's certainly not osx.


In conclusion a mac is worth it because they don't use ms dos blue screen, registry clogging, malware seeking windows.

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 02:46 PM
i play games on my x box, have not a single issue with windows.

justify to me why i should go spend an extra thousand dollars just to have osx?

If you have to ask than you shouldn't spend the extra. As I said, everyone has different uses and needs.
I personally think gaming consoles are a gratituous waste of money and time, but I also understand that a lot of people love them. Vive et alteros vivere permitte (live and let live)

letsgohunting
7th June 2010, 08:58 PM
http://scottaudette.com/?p=218

remote camera control with ipad during space shuttle launch.

driftke70
7th June 2010, 10:31 PM
things would have been adapted to use the ipad, not the ipad making that possible.

letsgohunting
8th June 2010, 10:57 AM
things would have been adapted to use the ipad, not the ipad making that possible.

As far as I can tell there's nothing adapted to it, it's just running a remote desktop/ftp camera control application. The hardware is all on the camera side - wifi transmitter/modem etc. The ipad use is purely software based.

ke70dave
8th June 2010, 10:27 PM
right well i had a bit of a play with one of these ipad things at JBhifi today.

its pretty much what i expected, a giant iphone that cant call people.

sweet screen though, it does look VERY good. bit weird to handle, felt like i was going to break it, its just so thin. and i did notice that the endges are quite sharp, im sure youd get used to that.

the onscreen keyboard was fine to use, so long as you were only typing short things.

driftke70
8th June 2010, 10:32 PM
it could change your life dave,
imagine streamlining memos of what you are going to have for breakfast tomorrow from your iphone to your ipad,
then taking your ipad and using it as a shopping list.
then get home and streamline it to your 27 inch imac while you create music the world will despise you for.
you can keep tabs on your spendings, streamline your credit card to the apple website.

you could be the next big thing in the engineer world, imagine using it to consume media in front of reps.

ke70dave
8th June 2010, 10:59 PM
hahah i like the credit card one..

one thing i dont understand is the whole "photos" thing on these portable devices.

i have millions of digital photos that i have taken that i NEVER look at. do they think im going to load them onto my ipodpad and just spend all day flicking through them?

n00bvak
9th June 2010, 12:58 PM
Ok, listen up PPL. BILL GATES actually foretold of the ipad way back in 2007. Jobs dismissed the idea in the interview... stole the idea and then plays it off as his own a few years later.

Don't believe me ...
http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/30/steve-jobs-and-bill-gates-historic-discussion-live-from-d-2007/

I love how the uneducated go on about how windows is inflexible, easy to break and hard to use... hrm sounds like they are talking about computers in general. I have worked in IT for 10 years now I am also a trained GUI designer. I have worked in desktop support environments working on PC's, MAC's and linux/unix systems including there servers. ALL systems have there issues. And just to spice it up, the first computer I ever used was a Mac Classic, I used them all through primary school, and man did I hate having to redo my work because the damn thing crashed!

When supporting Mac's (phone support or onsite) I regularly got the pinwheel of death (way more than Windows blue screens), not to mention incompatibility problems. But you can always count on there being a fix or new drivers Windows OS. Also you don't see any 5 yo Macbooks still being used because nothing works on them any more but there is a hell of a lot of IBM T60's/Pentium 4 machines still ticking over in business and are able to run Photoshop CS4 with 1.5GB ram.

To put it in the most basic of terms:
If you write malware/virus you want it to hurt the maximum amount of people. In my experience >95% of all businesses run on windows based systems, hence why windows are targeted by these attacks. This constant attacking has lead to Microsoft being one of the most secure operating systems around. It is not that Mac is more secure, it is just that the market share is too small, although that is changing and mac's security is not.

If you do not believe me look at the results of any sanctioned hacking expo. The Mac is always the first to be hacked. And this is due to Apples head in the sand approach to everything. Any problems that occur are because of the "user", or it's a one off, but god forbid looking into the issue and resolving it.

Also Microsoft works with 3rd party suppliers to try to ensure compatibility with there software. Apple does not. They pick and choose rather than working out the issues. Jobs will not allow Adobe access to significant parts of the Apple (mac particularly) SDK (which other developers are allowed to use) which would allow adobe to ensure their software works efficiently on Mac. And for what reason, if you cut through all the bulshit, it because he doesn't like them. Not that their product is inferior, but because Adobe told Jobs to pull up his socks. So where does that leave ADOBE Photoshop, Premiere and other software that "designers" use there Mac's for hey? They will not be using mac for much longer will they!!!

Apple produce crap for the ignorant. Seriously, if you haven't cottoned onto it yet you may as well be put out to pasture and just roam around like the blind sheep that you are. And if you are going to buy something apple, wait till it comes out with all the features (well all the feature Lord hand Jobs allows). Never by the first version...EVER.

I have to give credit to apples marketing though, seriously getting silhouettes of people on flashing bright coloured backgrounds dancing around to U2 with massive white wires coming out of there heads... BRILLIANT. YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!! Then you by the thing, take it home, need to install software (which you initially needed to download from there site). Then you need to have a masters degree to learn how to use the software. Then the killer, say you take your ipod to someone else hose and need to charge it, it by default will wipe all your music and put your friends Milly cyprus collection on there... seriously WTF!

iTUNES IS THE BIGGEST pos SOFTWARE EVER!!!! It honestly brakes windows machines. We have had to remove iTunes from all our PC's at my current workplace (~10000 machines) because it kills so much software and hogs all the computers resources, even when no iPod/phone has been plugged into it, it just stays in resident memory from startup... that is the definition of bloatware.

As a GUI designer, iTunes has the worst interface ever. I have taught my 60yo father how to use Photoshop, but he still has the most basic of problems with iTunes. It is a waste of space. Winamp with ipod plug-in / songbird even Win media player are way better options than iTunes.

Wow, I wrote way more than I though I would. But I am proud to say that I have never bought an Apple product. Id rather have a product that I can use in the way I want and expect it to work. They are not an innovation, they just redo ideas that other people have done with an amazing marketing campaign and release it as something new, because the average consumer has no idea. After doing all the research and testing, My HTC desire is way better than both the iphone/pad combined. USB, removable SD and battery, 5mp camera, 720p video, an awesome gui and a promise of android continually providing updates. Its no wonder that most of my friends are trading there iphones for desires or waiting for the 4g HTC iteration coming out later next month.

Go back to being a sheep all you apple die(try) hards.

driftke70
9th June 2010, 01:33 PM
but you gotta think different, a mac isnt a pc.

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 02:41 PM
But I am proud to say that I have never bought an Apple product.

This pretty much sums up your post. Must be something in the water with you ke70 drivers ;)

If you dislike apple stuff, you can find all the reasons in the world as to why they're evil and their products are crap.
if you like apple stuff, you can find all the reasons in the world why they're the best product.

The difference is that apple users don't burst a forehead vein bitching about how much they hate another product which they don't use, and therefor has little to no actual impact on their personal life.

driftke70
9th June 2010, 02:46 PM
that high horse sensation is what makes you love apple gavin, no matter what situation you will always be superior.
even if the computer is known to be inferior, you will play it off that it cost more and is better made and that only
someone of high importance could afford one.

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 02:57 PM
nope .

driftke70
9th June 2010, 03:25 PM
because im sick of it being in my face any people telling me why i should have one when they dont have one themselves.

why are you arguing for pages about a product you have admitted you wont own?

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 03:32 PM
because im sick of it being in my face any people telling me why i should have one when they dont have one themselves.

why are you arguing for pages about a product you have admitted you wont own?

Because the product itself personally interests me.

Please find and quote me saying that you should have an apple product on this forum. I'd be very interested to see some evidence of this.

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 04:19 PM
Annnd with that, I'm done posting on this thread - gets me too worked up.

AJPS
9th June 2010, 05:37 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190403489050&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

n00bvak
9th June 2010, 05:38 PM
Did you even read my post?

I have used Mac's a lot, I have had to fix Macs for users that have broken them, I have even given them a go and the facts are they are overpriced, inflexible and buggy. Its not hate, as much as the realisation that they are not in anyway easier to use and not as flexible as a PC. No matter how people go on about how good they are and how reliable they are, I have the proof that they are not infallible like apple fanatics go on about them.

They may be a little easier not to stuff up because they are locked down so much (which is unix more than OSX and Windows 7 has had a crack beter admin rights management and seems to work) but in the end Mac's less secure, driver/software support is sketchy at best and you are locked in to the H/W apple suggest, which is normally out of date before they even hit the shelves begging the question why they are over priced?

Also there are much better phones out there than the iPhone such as the HTC desire as they give you all the flexibility you need, no proprietary headaches like flash and itunes, and it performs everything you want as standard, without needing to jailbreak your phone. And there are new Android phones like this coming out all the time so soon apple store will not be touted as the best.

The iPad follows apples trend, just make it look good and maximise profits by bringing a new version out every 3 months and force everyone to upgrade so they get the options that they wanted in the first place. For instance they couldn't even get wireless working on it properly, and their fix is for you to turn off your one of the bands in your wireless router ... what a joke.

I will say one good thing about apple. They do use very good screens, they do look very good and I rate them very highly...however thats where the praise ends.

A little research and a little less buying into the hype and marketing and you will realise that apple products are really just like overpriced ricer cars; sure they look nice with your scissor doors and 10k paint job plus the chicks love climbing over the hektic 12" subs installed in the passenger foot well, but really, if you had done a bit of research you probably wouldn't have bought an excel.



The difference is that apple users don't burst a forehead vein bitching about how much they hate another product which they don't use, and therefore has little to no actual impact on their personal life.

Um, isn't that what you have been doing this whole time, defending something you don't even have to the point that it is making you angry??? Maybe you should actually use the product before defending it so emphatically?? If you actually do have one or used one for a long period of time, it sounds like you are as deluded as Steve Conroy is about the Internet Filter being beneficial. I think it is time to just admit that your theory of apple products is totally incorrect / misguided and move on :P

letsgohunting
10th June 2010, 02:06 PM
I read your post loud and clear 'n00bvak', I just don't agree with any of your points on the account of using my computer/phone for the last 4 years and having none of the above stated issues. I'm not going to pick through your post and retaliate because it would be pointless on so many levels.

Cheers

driftke70
10th June 2010, 02:13 PM
you mentioned that you have had programs crash.

letsgohunting
10th June 2010, 03:29 PM
you mentioned that you have had programs crash.

Rarely and very unspectacularly.
Which are not the same terms I'd use to describe my years of windows crashes.

Sam-Q
10th June 2010, 10:38 PM
Mac computers on the other hand win and always will win. Windows is a piece of shit and anyone who actually thinks it's better than osx has never used a mac for an extended period of time. Don't even try to bring pc gaming into this as a mac is perfectly capable of playing the same games as any pc, it's just that there arent many third party game developers who are going to bother making games for a platform that holds ten percent of the market. If pc fags got bill gates devil dick out of their mouth for one second they would be able to see this and go buy a mac.

thats because they are using pc hardware and software based on a pc operating system (unix). If their own OS9 was so good why did they dump it.

Nicko
10th June 2010, 10:47 PM
lol @ apple fanboys

Konakid
10th June 2010, 11:39 PM
Ok, listen up PPL. BILL GATES actually foretold of the ipad way back in 2007. Jobs dismissed the idea in the interview... stole the idea and then plays it off as his own a few years later.

Don't believe me ...
http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/30/steve-jobs-and-bill-gates-historic-discussion-live-from-d-2007/

I love how the uneducated go on about how windows is inflexible, easy to break and hard to use... hrm sounds like they are talking about computers in general. I have worked in IT for 10 years now I am also a trained GUI designer. I have worked in desktop support environments working on PC's, MAC's and linux/unix systems including there servers. ALL systems have there issues. And just to spice it up, the first computer I ever used was a Mac Classic, I used them all through primary school, and man did I hate having to redo my work because the damn thing crashed!

When supporting Mac's (phone support or onsite) I regularly got the pinwheel of death (way more than Windows blue screens), not to mention incompatibility problems. But you can always count on there being a fix or new drivers Windows OS. Also you don't see any 5 yo Macbooks still being used because nothing works on them any more but there is a hell of a lot of IBM T60's/Pentium 4 machines still ticking over in business and are able to run Photoshop CS4 with 1.5GB ram.

To put it in the most basic of terms:
If you write malware/virus you want it to hurt the maximum amount of people. In my experience >95% of all businesses run on windows based systems, hence why windows are targeted by these attacks. This constant attacking has lead to Microsoft being one of the most secure operating systems around. It is not that Mac is more secure, it is just that the market share is too small, although that is changing and mac's security is not.

If you do not believe me look at the results of any sanctioned hacking expo. The Mac is always the first to be hacked. And this is due to Apples head in the sand approach to everything. Any problems that occur are because of the "user", or it's a one off, but god forbid looking into the issue and resolving it.

Also Microsoft works with 3rd party suppliers to try to ensure compatibility with there software. Apple does not. They pick and choose rather than working out the issues. Jobs will not allow Adobe access to significant parts of the Apple (mac particularly) SDK (which other developers are allowed to use) which would allow adobe to ensure their software works efficiently on Mac. And for what reason, if you cut through all the bulshit, it because he doesn't like them. Not that their product is inferior, but because Adobe told Jobs to pull up his socks. So where does that leave ADOBE Photoshop, Premiere and other software that "designers" use there Mac's for hey? They will not be using mac for much longer will they!!!

Apple produce crap for the ignorant. Seriously, if you haven't cottoned onto it yet you may as well be put out to pasture and just roam around like the blind sheep that you are. And if you are going to buy something apple, wait till it comes out with all the features (well all the feature Lord hand Jobs allows). Never by the first version...EVER.

I have to give credit to apples marketing though, seriously getting silhouettes of people on flashing bright coloured backgrounds dancing around to U2 with massive white wires coming out of there heads... BRILLIANT. YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!! Then you by the thing, take it home, need to install software (which you initially needed to download from there site). Then you need to have a masters degree to learn how to use the software. Then the killer, say you take your ipod to someone else hose and need to charge it, it by default will wipe all your music and put your friends Milly cyprus collection on there... seriously WTF!

iTUNES IS THE BIGGEST pos SOFTWARE EVER!!!! It honestly brakes windows machines. We have had to remove iTunes from all our PC's at my current workplace (~10000 machines) because it kills so much software and hogs all the computers resources, even when no iPod/phone has been plugged into it, it just stays in resident memory from startup... that is the definition of bloatware.

As a GUI designer, iTunes has the worst interface ever. I have taught my 60yo father how to use Photoshop, but he still has the most basic of problems with iTunes. It is a waste of space. Winamp with ipod plug-in / songbird even Win media player are way better options than iTunes.

Wow, I wrote way more than I though I would. But I am proud to say that I have never bought an Apple product. Id rather have a product that I can use in the way I want and expect it to work. They are not an innovation, they just redo ideas that other people have done with an amazing marketing campaign and release it as something new, because the average consumer has no idea. After doing all the research and testing, My HTC desire is way better than both the iphone/pad combined. USB, removable SD and battery, 5mp camera, 720p video, an awesome gui and a promise of android continually providing updates. Its no wonder that most of my friends are trading there iphones for desires or waiting for the 4g HTC iteration coming out later next month.

Go back to being a sheep all you apple die(try) hards.

From the shit ive been through with ipods and their shit software as well as i tunes complete retardedness in the way it operates i.e not allowing songs to be transferred back into the library, its like Apple are making their own niche and screwing the user over with each new product that they produce.

The first iphone couldnt even send picture messages. Are you kidding? Nokia have been doing that for years, that is BASIC stuff. But of course the next update model has that feature so people who dont know better realise and have to fork out for the new stuff.

Every apple product seems to be compatible with everything apple, nothing else, kind of locking you in to buying their product which makes it a a self created monopoly really .

letsgohunting
11th June 2010, 12:16 PM
The reason you can't transfer stuff back off an ipod is because itunes is not only a media player, it's a music store. They have to make it so that you can't use your ipod to transfer stuff back to computers so that you don't basically steal the music. Legally, itunes wouldn't exist if they didn't make it difficult for you to steal music.

I have the first iphone, and you're right that it originally couldn't send MMS messages when it first came out.
What you probably don't realize is that when they brought out the 3g model, they sent a big software update out for the 2g ones (like mine) which brought it up to the 3g software specs, and that included MMS messaging, copy and paste ability, and all the other added functionality bits and pieces that the 3g has. Likewise when the 3gs came out, I also got all the software functionality of that firmware as well. Now that the OS4 is going to be out soon, most of the added functionality will be added to firmware updates for the older models. The 3gs gets pretty much everything, the 3g gets most of it (can't have multitask due to slower processor etc).

So basically mine is the oldest model - didn't even come out in Aus, and it has all the same software features of the 3g AND the 3gs models, because they made the OS updates backwards compatible. It's part of the reason why I like my iphone so much. It's still up to date and 'current' in terms of features after 4 years.
My motorola razr never had anything like that - when they brought out a new phone with better software it was tough titties if you had an old one, you had to buy the new one.

driftke70
11th June 2010, 01:19 PM
my phone gets upates, i can set it to auto and it updates itself after 11pm at night, or i can go online and choose updates. thats well after the n97 has had its time.

letsgohunting
11th June 2010, 01:46 PM
I'd assume firmware upgrades are pretty normal in smartphones - my iphone gets them in the same way - but the real question is, when they bring out the newer model of your phone - an n98 or whatever, will they update the n97 OS to include the software features of the new one?

dave2221
11th June 2010, 02:09 PM
this question remains to be answerd.

Symbian are releasing a new version for the well spec'd nokia N8.

assuming the n97 can handle the new software i think that it will be available. although there has been no official word yet

letsgohunting
11th June 2010, 02:52 PM
Symbian are releasing a new version for the well spec'd nokia N8.

assuming the n97 can handle the new software i think that it will be available. although there has been no official word yet

That n8 looks wellll specced, and it has a big ass camera sensor in it, as well as a built in ND filter which is pretty awesome.
But symbian hasn't yet proven to be the snappiest/quickest running OS yet, and that n8 is only running a 680mhz chip... Compare that to the 1ghz chip in the iphone 4... Plus they've only just caught up with the whole capacitive touchscreen thing, and symbian 3 is the first of the symbian OS's to allow multitouch gestures. It would be interesting to compare how slick the multitouch is compared to the apple phones.
It's also interesting they've gone for a fixed battery - like the iphone. Apple claimed that they could make the battery bigger by making it non-removable. Same reason why nokia did it I wonder?

sun_moon
11th June 2010, 04:29 PM
rumour has it that everyone on JDMST has an ipad and thinks its the best thing ever.....lol.
heard the only thing they dont like is it doesnt have build in DSLR camera (or any camera lol). they cant take "arty" (i use the term VERY loosely) photos of their ADM type Rs with Fadlace stickers and JDM yard bro stickers.
(runs)

driftke70
11th June 2010, 04:43 PM
and they cant sync it to their reputation

letsgohunting
11th June 2010, 04:52 PM
Hahaha yeah troo - it doesn't even have a Digital Single Lens Reflex camera! LOloloLOL1!









http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-lens_reflex_camera

driftke70
11th June 2010, 05:00 PM
no it doesnt thats what sun moon said

letsgohunting
11th June 2010, 05:44 PM
No phone/computer has a DSLR camera.

Does Sun Moon even have a car? Or does his 4ac sprinter have magical powers to make it better than an (even) adm integra type R...

driftke70
11th June 2010, 07:36 PM
hes a wierdo, but he has a panda trueno and a aw11 and he is in the process of purchasing an nsx.

the cars not the point, thats what him and i are saying, its not all about possession, being so materialistic, you see things as it cost x amount he is x awesome.
it must cost more so it must be better.

all those jdmst guys have loans coming out of every orifice.

he is not talking about what they own but they way in which they own them.

you can only keep trying to loosely justify things so far.

like those car ads you posted, i said you dont see audi putting down bmw, all you showed was them making references to other companies, apple tried to make pc people look stupid.
theres no an ad of a guy dressed like sherlock holmes getting into an audi then some hipster dude getting into a beemer and holding his nose in the air.

sun moon never mentioned anything about phones, he was pointing out something else.

letsgohunting
11th June 2010, 09:28 PM
I'm not trying to justify anything, JDMST has some nice cars.

The reason Apple has run the advertising campaign like it has so far is because that's what they've had to do to get peoples attention. When your market share is like 2% of the total market and the other 98% is your competition, you have to do targeted marketing to be able to gain ground. Especially in computers, where the biggest hurdle is getting people to be curious about your product. The hardest thing with people is that most are resistant to change, or different things. Their "im a mac" marketing campaign was targeted directly at people who didn't enjoy stuffing around with their windows computers, and it was apparently their most successful marketing campaign in the history of the company. That and the bad reputation of Vista has pushed them to a higher market share now.
Microsoft doesn't run targeted marketing at apple because it a) has no real reason to - it still has like 85% market share if you include corporate usage, and b) it would probably be seen as weakness and obvious fear for such a dominant company to target such a small company.
This is all pretty rudimentary stuff - I'm still not sure why I actually have to explain this to you - it should be quite obvious.
And don't make excuses about bmw and audi and subaru, those ads were direct comparisons and slang-off's between their cars haha. Direct comparison marketing is extremely common and it's used by a whole lot of companies wether you like it or not.

Sam-Q
11th June 2010, 11:32 PM
The reason you can't transfer stuff back off an ipod is because itunes is not only a media player, it's a music store. They have to make it so that you can't use your ipod to transfer stuff back to computers so that you don't basically steal the music. Legally, itunes wouldn't exist if they didn't make it difficult for you to steal music.


this is my biggest issue with Ipods, they arn't an MP3 player. I dont want a store I want an MP3 player. If I want to use it as a USB drive I should be able to.

GAKI86
14th June 2010, 02:43 AM
i know a co worker who wants to sell their nxs for 45000.. pm me/

sun_moon
14th June 2010, 02:38 PM
No phone/computer has a DSLR camera.

Does Sun Moon even have a car? Or does his 4ac sprinter have magical powers to make it better than an (even) adm integra type R...

hey mate i just sold my aw11 mr2, i still haver an IMMACULATE Mini Cooper S thats in showroom condition, and i have a white ae86.

im going to be buying another aw11 mr2 and a honda nsx here in japan soon.

so to answer your question, i had three cars at once, i now have two cars, and soon i will have four cars.

by the way. unlike many people i dont believe ae86s have magical abilities. i only drive mid engined cars and its shown me the faults of ae86s. anyways in closing, you are an even bigger tool than i am.

thanks for the personal attack though, haters like yourself push me to set goals and make more money. keep hatin me and keep helping my motivation. grow up.

pic related... notice the lack of 4ac in the white car
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs184.snc1/6135_1128621268188_1606913081_30310888_1926092_n.j pg



hes a wierdo, but he has a panda trueno and a aw11 and he is in the process of purchasing an nsx.

sun moon never mentioned anything about phones, he was pointing out something else.
THANK YOU i agree. too bad letsgohunting totally missed the point of what i said and in his confusion decided to make a personal attack thats unrelated.

anyway now that that is over, time to discuss ipads and their lack of function.


he is not talking about what they own but they way in which they own them.

once again driftke70 is correct. im not talking about what people own, but how they own it.
the statement i made relates indirectly towards ipad and apple owners. i suggest letsgohunting learns more advanced forms of wit and irony.

letsgohunting
14th June 2010, 04:11 PM
Fair enough dude, only reason I made that remark is because most people who are critical of other peoples cars on forums don't usually have a car.

Your cooper S is sexy.

sun_moon
14th June 2010, 04:15 PM
thanks man. all good and no harm done. sorry if i arked up a bit too.

letsgohunting
14th June 2010, 07:54 PM
All good, I'm a big aw11 fan... nsx too

sun_moon
14th June 2010, 08:43 PM
peace man :)

now back to the ipads :P

leo_palmer
23rd October 2010, 02:05 PM
I've been looking into them, and they seem relatively good. Same price as a laptop (approximately), but can do lots of additional cool stuff. Plus, it would be handy for note-taking etc at uni.
If AE86DC became iPad friendly I would definitely get one.

I pads are ae86dc friendly using one now

Nicko
23rd October 2010, 02:29 PM
Out of curiousity, are you using tapatalk, or just the browser?

leo_palmer
26th October 2010, 02:20 PM
just the safari browser in the ipad,

i have found that with the ipad you have to think of it as this . The ipad was sold to me a a macbook without a keypad by the apple guy. This is not right it cannot fo flash and you still need a computer.

If you think of it as a great portable little computer that can do most things but has its limits, its incredibly usefull it browses the internet with ease and its great to do little projects on, or play games and have apps( i like the graphic design ones good fun, and you can really made some amazing pictures)

but if you think of it as a computer it will fail in every way imaginable, you still need a computer to put movies and music on it, you still need a comp for something that may need flash and lastly if you need to print something.

In closing ! i love my ipad but you need a computer as well, nowadays i barely touch my mac book.

77crown
26th October 2010, 03:32 PM
The iPad: Because the iPhone was too small for other people to notice you.

leo_palmer
29th October 2010, 01:38 AM
Until you use one, I used to be the same and think it was retarted then I used one ! Think what you likeb about them its only you who's missing out on it

ke70dave
7th November 2010, 10:32 AM
i was at a wedding yesterday and the preacher guy was using an ipad!!

i didnt even notice untill he mentioned it in a joke, seamed to work well though.

leo_palmer
13th November 2010, 09:45 AM
they really do in the next few years you'll see them replace text books at uni and in schools.