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Richard
10th May 2010, 04:15 PM
Hey guys just got a new 32gb iphone any know any good applications/games to download?

Plus is there a shorter way to call people rather than have to go through like 7 menus?

on the default application too it has a weather thing the degree it displays is that the degrees its reading or is just like a weather one sent from itunes saying today is 23degrees. because when i click into it it only comes up with american weather.

svenmate
10th May 2010, 05:27 PM
First post.

Browse appstore for the top downloaded apps. My personal favourites are Doodle Jump, Facebook, Touchgrind, Quota, Angry Birds and WSP Texas Holdem. Theres plenty of good stuff on there.

For the weather thing, you have to touch the little 'i' in the bottom right and then press the + at the top left to add another location.

iPods touch and iPhones are pretty cool.

KENut
10th May 2010, 10:19 PM
32gb, applicationsto download?

Well clearly at least half is for porn. So 16gb for apps. Get the lightsaber thing, its amusing running aroung playing star wars with yo gayphone

driftke70
11th May 2010, 12:29 AM
now that you have the phone, what scarves and fingerless gloves have you found?

R&D Mechanical
11th May 2010, 12:37 AM
Flight control, best game.

Richard
11th May 2010, 08:51 AM
as soon as i got that phone i already downloaded the lightsaber.

got no porn duno how to put shit on im guessing through itunes

another question how do you make folders for your pics? ive taken like 100pics and they are all in camera roll need to put them in folders

ae71neo
11th May 2010, 05:59 PM
Facebook, twitter, WRC, angry birds, buck hunter, traffic rush, fruit ninja, airport mania, ebay, yellow and white pages, F1 insider, XE currency.

Just a few that i have and would recommend.

You have to make folders on your PC and sync that to your itunes.

Blizzerd
11th May 2010, 07:10 PM
7 pages of apps....

Will be fixed by the new 4.0 patch

now, in regards to jailbreaking, you can do it pretty easy, but becarefull about unlocking your phone because you may turn it into a brick

its pretty easy but, its basicly press this button for how ever long while stuff is loaded onto your phone, and then let go but hold one button etc etc

i have to set iphones up everyday, and yeah they can be a pain. but if your locked into a contract with your provider, you can use your phone for other companies too....

ae71neo
11th May 2010, 09:10 PM
OS 4.0 looks pretty good

Richard
12th May 2010, 08:19 AM
i got a mate who cracked his now all the stuff you buy is now free

Matt-AE86
12th May 2010, 12:15 PM
jailbreak

ThatsHowWeRoll
12th May 2010, 06:26 PM
Sony X10/android ftw.


Fieldrunners and iSwap are good. iSwap is for putting one persons face on another...good for a laugh at family dinner's etc.

Richard
13th May 2010, 12:32 PM
no one knows how to make folders in the photo apps?

ae71neo
14th May 2010, 07:35 AM
You have to make folders on your PC and sync that to your itunes.

A few posts ago...

Richard
14th May 2010, 08:36 AM
Sorry i wasnt sure if that was regarding the folder question...may bad

skiddlz
14th May 2010, 02:31 PM
sumi drift game. its ok if ur into that sh*t lol...

GAKI86
18th May 2010, 07:29 AM
i still dont understand why people buy a technology thats not really making their life any easier convert>wait>transfer>wait>syncronising>wait>please do not pull plug>wait>youregayifyouwait>wait whereareas you get a standard creative or any river mp3 players its as simply as plug, dump files and play!!

me>>(crying)
ipod kid>> eeewww!! where you dat ugly iriver from!!
me>>my mommy bought it (continued cry)

DRFT
18th May 2010, 07:23 PM
Iphones are quite gay unless you sell your loyalty to apple. I like my samsung because i can drag and drop my work, movies games etc and retrieve them in public work computers etc without having itunes and whatnot. also the other gay thing is that iphones have a pretty crap camera,

the only thing i like about the iphone is the scrolling effect thats awesome, ive got a mod that gives that effect in my samsung i8910.

driftke70
18th May 2010, 07:48 PM
but you cant wear a scarf if you dont have an apple product on your persons.

redsprinter
19th May 2010, 01:35 PM
now that you have the phone, what scarves and fingerless gloves have you found?

ahahahaso true . as much as i love my lil sister . that exactly her with her iphone .

hachirusto
23rd May 2010, 05:50 PM
if anyone knows of any good places to get got "dev" apps could you post them up or pm me thanks

Richard
26th May 2010, 03:41 PM
whats dev?

Richard
26th May 2010, 03:44 PM
also with the iphone ive never been a technology person but i did this on impulse and here i am. i am unsure of any other phones as i see this advertised everywhere and thought it was the way to go

hachirusto
26th May 2010, 08:58 PM
if you have a jail broken phone you can get apps much like the way you can also download movies and tv shows, just looking for a decent place to get them from

Richard
28th May 2010, 10:44 AM
yeh my mate jailbreakaded my phone yesterday and now i have the New tomtom gps and almost 1000 apps on my itunes. all the ones he downloaded ill get the link for ya later

ke70dave
28th May 2010, 11:05 AM
why is it called jail brake/broken?

whatever ever happened to "hacked".

back in the day i was killer at hacking digimons.

its amasing how fast it takes things to be hacked, i swear it must be insiders who give out information for ppl to be able to hack them so fast. (ie games, opperating systems, devices)

a guy i know managed to install linux on his iphone, thats the way to do it i reckon, no apple at all.

Richard
28th May 2010, 11:39 AM
the program is called jailbreak. Might be like a parody of prison break thinking they are an engineer like Schofield

hachirusto
28th May 2010, 07:13 PM
sweet richard if you could send it across that would be good

GAKI86
29th May 2010, 01:20 PM
yesterday work killed me never worked so hard in my life looking after ipads customer pickups at my depo.. most of the ppl that picked it up are a bunch of clueless yuppies.. with their x5s and renaults.. tech savvy sheeps

GAKI86
29th May 2010, 01:21 PM
btw anyone from melbourne just go to the swapmeet ppl sell a compiled dvd with all the jailbreaking stuff and apps for you iphone..

gumbie
30th May 2010, 12:30 AM
now that you have the phone, what scarves and fingerless gloves have you found?

You wear scarves & fingerless gloves.... and have a very large penis hanging of your forehead..

Richard
31st May 2010, 12:47 PM
phew id rather have penis on my head then be a dickhead

driftke70
31st May 2010, 02:53 PM
yeah but you need fingerless gloves otherwise you cant use the touch screen, and you need a scarf cause you hang out in the city all the time.

driftke70
31st May 2010, 03:24 PM
http://www.nerdgrind.com/etre-touchy-iphone-gloves/

kaibeecee
31st May 2010, 07:02 PM
you can gripe about not being able to wear gloves and that, but the keypads on phones now are so small you need childs fingers to use them. That and the Samsung touch driver is absolutely hopeless .

there is a reason why iphones are popular, not just trendy.

and any phone that relies on UNIX > windows mobile/Nokia/symbian and the like.

driftke70
31st May 2010, 10:12 PM
saying an os is bad without logical points and comparisons is worse than me saying iphone owners are trendy douche bags who try hard at things in life that dont matter.

Juturna
31st May 2010, 10:59 PM
and yet both are true?

kaibeecee
31st May 2010, 11:18 PM
i had an iphone up until recently and have found hard to live without it since. i had it for practicality reasons, i've had HTC/PalmOS, and most other main WinMobile/smartphones but the iphone is by far the best...

but seeing as you asked for reasons...

windows mobile: slow, chunky, installing apps is not easy, unstable at best of times. is still windows. the ONLY good thing is the native exchange support. but we all know exchange sucks and POP still rules.

symbian: old design, hopelessly slow, uses java ME, syncML and MOAP. has only just gotten the UI built into it without relying on crappy 3rd party source.

that being said, win-mobile IS getting better, though iPhoneOS is just that bit more streamlined being darwin based.

it seems to work, is easy enough for idiots to grasp and is a great (UNIX) building block for open source development. has all popular POP/IMAP/exhange support.

microsoft is also developing an iOffice app set at the moment.

apple has their shit together and do really great things, which is why they're selling. the trendy shit is just a shitty side effect.

hachirusto
1st June 2010, 12:37 AM
lol like the hipster comments but I think they have all moved on to the next trend of having the IPAd

on that note managed to get tomtom us and canda for my trip to the states , should make it easier

driftke70
1st June 2010, 12:42 AM
i tend to agree,

although I run the newest version of symbian os and I cant fault it,
it was a little slow at first, but i removed everything from the internal memory and installed it again on the 32gig hard drive except for the main os and everything runs much faster, in fact in direct comparisons with my friends iphone its faster to open things and do things, scrolls more smoothly etc.

Installing of apps is piss easy with ovi store or 3rd party. You dont even have to sync with your computer and you can scroll through the store on your phone.

That being said I use my apps very little, i feel people change their life to use apps instead of apps making their life easier.

Full qwerty keyboard on n97 is way easier to type with and I can send messages without looking at my phone.

Also the phone has flash and a touch screen with a d pad on the slide out keyboard, so when you get to flash roll over things you can just move a cursor and use it like a normal computer. Runs smooth as with every website and never tries to open the shitty mobile version of web pages.

ke70dave
1st June 2010, 09:12 AM
That being said I use my apps very little, i feel people change their life to use apps instead of apps making their life easier.


yep!

all my mates with iphones have pages and pages of useless apps.

i have an n95, so symbian V3, i went through a stage of installing stacks of applications, only to realise they were all useless. so i formatted the phone and not only was it sooo much faster, i didnt actually miss any of the applications:P

it seems that alot of apps for ipods arent really much use, they are just novelty things, which im not saying are bad, can be good fun, but arent really much use. unless someone has some good examples ive not seen.

only thing i ever use is the nokia maps thing when im lost and i have a few games on there for the train ride to uni.

though the iphone or any touch screen phone is a good platform for games, girlfriend has iphone, and i just steal it to play angry birds!

Richard
1st June 2010, 12:25 PM
yeh i had like 1000 free apps and now they are all on itunes and now i have only like 30 apps which are fun. they are all cracked apps tho as the free ones were limited. I was playing one of thoose online games before when i was bored. I checked my account thingy and it doesnt say internet usage being used but surely it uses up some sort net usage right?

letsgohunting
2nd June 2010, 04:45 PM
although I run the newest version of symbian os and I cant fault it,
it was a little slow at first, but i removed everything from the internal memory and installed it again on the 32gig hard drive except for the main os and everything runs much faster, in fact in direct comparisons with my friends iphone its faster to open things and do things, scrolls more smoothly etc.



Correction - in comparison to a four year old 1st generation 2g iphone, not in comparison to the current 3gs, which is significantly faster than the 2g.

letsgohunting
2nd June 2010, 09:26 PM
now that you have the phone, what scarves and fingerless gloves have you found?

Now that you've gone through every apple based thread on this forum and demonstrated some sort of weird inferiority complex towards apple products, what false sense of superiority will you have found next?

driftke70
2nd June 2010, 11:16 PM
if you wernt taking it up the but from steve jobs you wouldnt have said inferiority complex,

even it a purely derogatory statement you cant help but put down products other than apple.

only reason I go on gav is cause you take it so personally, like if you said something bad about toshiba or toyota or weasels i would accept your opinion and move on, but like I said to you last week I dont see the point in the ipad, you went into like a frenzy, everything short of a power point presentation of why I should buy one. THATS not normal.

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 12:11 AM
only reason I go on gav is cause you take it so personally, like if you said something bad about toshiba or toyota or weasels i would accept your opinion and move on, but like I said to you last week I dont see the point in the ipad, you went into like a frenzy, everything short of a power point presentation of why I should buy one. THATS not normal.

I was trying to explain the point of it, not saying you should buy one. I even said that I wouldn't buy one at this point. I'm particularly interested in it because it represents a shift in digital media consumption - something that directly affects my career.

driftke70
3rd June 2010, 12:44 AM
you also said and i quote after you used my netbook
"if i dont buy the iPad im buying one of these"

letsgohunting
3rd June 2010, 01:30 AM
I actually wanted the microsoft courier, which I STILL think is the better concept than the ipad. (though alas, it's been scrapped)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFQWc79TYcU

In saying that, I do actually like your toshiba netbook, but I still wouldn't buy one. My macbook is more powerful and not that much bigger.

letsgohunting
8th June 2010, 10:58 AM
http://www.apple.com/iphone/

iphone 4

- better screen
- backlit sensor for hd video, better low light pics + led flash (also acts as video light)
- realtime video conferencing with vga front camera + conferencing application
- ibooks
- folder organisation for applications
- noise suppression mic at the top
- proper multitasking

Multitasking/folders/ibooks/tap to focus video will be available for 3gs models in soon to come firmware update apparently.

driftke70
8th June 2010, 11:19 AM
my phone has all that except for i books.
back lit sensor but only 1080p non HD res.

letsgohunting
8th June 2010, 11:34 AM
sort of...

iphone4 has almost twice the pixel density (960x640 vs 640x360).
backlit sensor is in reference to a back illuminated sensor design, which is pretty recent. It was developed by sony and means that the electronic read of the light reaching the silicon of the sensor is on the back of the sensor rather than the front. I think there's only a very few phones that have this... not sure if nokia is one of them.
and noise suppression mic?

Either way this will be the device that finally puts my poor old 2g model out of service.

letsgohunting
8th June 2010, 11:37 AM
from engadget hands-on:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-first-hands-on/

"the screen is truly outrageous -- you basically cannot see pixels on it. We're not being hyperbolic when we say it's easily the best looking mobile phone screen we've ever laid eyes on."

ke70dave
8th June 2010, 11:54 AM
interesting how they have gone back to the square edges.

pretty serious screen thats for sure.

Richard
8th June 2010, 01:19 PM
from engadget hands-on:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-first-hands-on/

"the screen is truly outrageous -- you basically cannot see pixels on it. We're not being hyperbolic when we say it's easily the best looking mobile phone screen we've ever laid eyes on."

You can see pixels on the animated part. look at the large picture on that site and look at the little camera thingy at the bottom of the screen. BUT the picture is clear as fuck

letsgohunting
8th June 2010, 01:49 PM
I'm interested to see how the apple "retina display" technology compares to the samsung AMOLED technology, which is already pretty amazing..

driftke70
8th June 2010, 02:06 PM
my phone runs the AMOLED system, I have compared mine and niccis phone back to back and they are the same components and software, she has a samsung icon HD.

nokia have had noise cancelling mics since around 98,

it does definately look like a good phone thats for sure, but dont think the features are new and only restricted to apple.

letsgohunting
8th June 2010, 02:25 PM
I dunno dude if you're phones the n97 I'm pretty sure that runs regular 3.5 tft lcd screen - the icon hd is 3.7 inch and amoled is pretty much proprietary for samsung phones - although I think htc has something similar...

One thing I'm glad they're doing is taking it easy with pixel density on the camera - a lot of people don't realize it but when you have a tiny sensor in a camera phone, the more megapixels you put in it, the less light each pixel can gather - meaning past a certain point image quality actually decreases.

driftke70
8th June 2010, 08:32 PM
alot of interesting points here i tend to agree with
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1524293

and epic lol
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7809941/Apple-iPhone-4-technology-fails-Steve-Jobs-during-presentation.html

have you ever had a decent look at other phones specs?
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n97-2615.php

also compare it to how big of an image it takes, no point taking a better quality image thats half the size

http://www.pmptoday.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-specs-at-a-glance/


ie iphone four is 960 x 640
n97 is 2592x1944

also iphone 4 can only video call over wifi, which is stupid.

driftke70
8th June 2010, 08:35 PM
just thought id point out that it cant be jail broke,
which you have to admit, alot of people wouldnt have owned an iphone if it wasnt able to be broken.
and dont just say thats so they can multi task and os4 has multi task.

AJPS
8th June 2010, 08:50 PM
its strange how apple can market old technology 5mp cameras have been in phones for ages and other shit

and then everyone claps as if its some huge advancement

driftke70
8th June 2010, 08:56 PM
99% of the reason i dont like apple ^

like other phones dont mention specs about things really, like say nokia has a 5 mpxl camera, they will put it in the fine print of a spec sheet,
apple will make it a 2 foot high thing on a bill board, and call the camera like foxsnap and call it a revolution. All the while loudly patting themselves ont he back.

driftke70
8th June 2010, 09:09 PM
also gav show me where it says that the sensor is twice the size of another phone type other than some dude jerking off on a blog, which i couldnt find anyway.

it also only records at 30fps, same as other phones.

here is a photo taken with an n97
http://images.dailymobile.se/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/nokia-n97-camera-sample-18.jpg
tell me its bad.

driftke70
8th June 2010, 10:44 PM
lol'd so hard at this
http://imgur.com/q79oD.jpg

letsgohunting
8th June 2010, 11:43 PM
also compare it to how big of an image it takes, no point taking a better quality image thats half the size

http://www.pmptoday.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-specs-at-a-glance/

ie iphone four is 960 x 640
n97 is 2592x1944

also iphone 4 can only video call over wifi, which is stupid.

I'm not really sure what information you're quoting there, but 5 megapixels gives a file size of 2560 x 1920. The 960x640 number you're quoting there is the screen resolution, which is completely different.

And voicecalling will be available over 3g soon no doubt.


just thought id point out that it cant be jail broke,
which you have to admit, alot of people wouldnt have owned an iphone if it wasnt able to be broken.
and dont just say thats so they can multi task and os4 has multi task.

The only reason it can't be jailbroken at the moment is it's like 1 day old. Give it a week or so after they've come out and it will be jailbroken, like every other iphone OS there has been. I personally don't even see the point of jailbreaking it - all it lets you do is change your icons and borders and stuff like that... haha


its strange how apple can market old technology 5mp cameras have been in phones for ages and other shit

and then everyone claps as if its some huge advancement

I don't think they've made a big deal out of the actual specs of the 5mp sensor at all - I've managed to find buried in the tech specs that it's a back illuminated sensor though, and that is actually pretty cool. Makes a big difference in the low light capabilities of a camera with a tiny sensor.
One thing I can actually tell you is that whenever you see a new cameras come out with more and more megapixels, that is literally just marketing. More megapixels means that each pixel collects less light (because it has to be smaller to fit on the same size piece of silicon), and therefore, past a certain point, it actually makes the image quality worse, especially when the electronic 'gain' is amplified (this is what the 'iso' setting is in digital cameras) to make the little pixels more sensitive to light, like when the light is low.

So basically (trying to keep this as simple as possible), here is a chart of sensor sizes:

http://francoism.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/sensorsizes.png

Camera phone sensors are of the smallest 1/2.5" variety (a lot of the time they're actually smaller), a pro DSLR like my 5d is of the "35mm full frame" variety. The 5d is 12 megapixel, which means that 12 million light sensing pixels are put onto that sized sensor. They're made as big as possible to take in the most light as possible. When a camera phone is 12 megapixels, it puts the same 12 million light sensing pixels onto that tiny little 1/2.5" sensor, and to get them on there, they have to make them stupidly tiny. This is why my 5d can take awesome clean sharp photos at night without a flash and a camera phone can't.
This isn't anything to do with apples marketing stuff, this is just photographic knowledge.

The thing I was talking about mainly was the back illuminated sensor technology they've used, which is a worthy (and not widely used - only 1 other phone utilizes it at the moment) technology rather than just bumping up the megapixels like everyone else is actually pretty impressive. To apply this tech would have been more expensive than bumping up megapixels, and would definitely give a greater IQ leap.

Here's some info about back illuminated sensors:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/technology/technology/theme/exmor_r_01.html

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 12:00 AM
99% of the reason i dont like apple ^

like other phones dont mention specs about things really, like say nokia has a 5 mpxl camera, they will put it in the fine print of a spec sheet,
apple will make it a 2 foot high thing on a bill board, and call the camera like foxsnap and call it a revolution. All the while loudly patting themselves ont he back.

proof of said billboard? proof of camera gloating from apple?


also gav show me where it says that the sensor is twice the size of another phone type other than some dude jerking off on a blog, which i couldnt find anyway.

it also only records at 30fps, same as other phones.

here is a photo taken with an n97
http://images.dailymobile.se/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/nokia-n97-camera-sample-18.jpg
tell me its bad.

I never said anything about sensor being twice the size? Don't really know what you mean.

When you say it only records at 30fps, you do realize that pretty much all the other high end smart phones record at only 24 or 25fps right?

And I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but no there isn't really anything wrong with that photo, as a snapshot.

driftke70
9th June 2010, 12:41 AM
man you dodge stuff.


heres a phone that deserves more attention
http://now.sprint.com/firsts/evo4g/


just look at this
http://www.apple.com/
it changes everything. again
what is it changing? why is steve jobs on every inch of everything page.

those details i got from a spec page,

have a look at the n97 specs, records at 30fps at dvd quality.
htc evo has hdmi output.

im not saying its a bad phone, im saying its not the best, nor does it deserve the extent of the attention the apple lovers spread around, ive had about 5 posts on face book today about people crapping on about the specs of the phone, when clearly they arnt researching what else is available and are reading the same email set out by apple as everyone else.

like you say i have a inferior complex, but like you say, "nothing wrong with that photo" then add the little "as a snapshot"

what ever gets you off dude.

show me evidence that the light sensor is only available on one other phone, and any supporting documents on why its better. Other than thats what it says on the apple website and the assumptions your filling in, in between.

Your cracking on as though the other phones have 13mpxls, dave just said that other phones have had 5mpxl for ages and you spieled on about how more can be worse but that doesnt apply to apple for some reason?

here are some real features i use on my phone on a daily basis
fm transmitter
messaging
internet
torch


the fm transmitter alone is reason enough for me not to buy an iphone.

hachirusto
9th June 2010, 12:56 AM
When it comes to brands people put there blinkers on and generally become loyal to a few different ones, Apple has done a good job of marketing there products unlike many of the other phone to date brands and unfortunantly that is the cost of a shit marketing strategy , if some of the other companies wanted to impress consumers with the high quality phones they are making which are better then an iphone they need to get off there asses and start investing more money into marketing.

Remember back in the day when nokia and sony erricson were the shit to have when it came to mobile phones they both had steady marketing campagins and had many loyal consumers, but with this I think they both got lazy and decided to slack off on there marketing efforts but ive found that ever since apple has come onto the field it is hardly non existant compared to the amount that apple is throwing out there. If they didnt get lazy and tried to put more ads out they may have been able to hold alot more consumers to there brands then what they have.

If they did this and used comparative advertisements they may start changing the minds of the average joe blow and switch them from the iphone.

No point in having a mobile phone which has such awesome features if know one knows that it exists

Ill upgrade to the iphone 4, for the reason that my current one has gone through and absolute shit load of abuse and not broken compared to other nokias, sonys etc

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 01:40 AM
man you dodge stuff.


heres a phone that deserves more attention
http://now.sprint.com/firsts/evo4g/


Looks pretty awesome really. I personally like iphones OS and build qual enough to keep me away from other phones though.




just look at this
http://www.apple.com/
it changes everything. again
what is it changing? why is steve jobs on every inch of everything page.


I think you'll find that its called marketing :thumbup:




those details i got from a spec page,

Yes, well you were reading the wrong part. You quoted a screen resolution number as a camera resolution number. As I said before, it's 5mp which means the pixel res will be 2560 x 1920.




have a look at the n97 specs, records at 30fps at dvd quality.
htc evo has hdmi output.


Records at 30fps at VGA resolution (640x360) which is very different to 30fps @ 720p HD res. 720p is about twice the quality of vga video. Yes the htc has a hdmi out. I personally don't see the use for that on a phone but your milage certainly might vary.




im not saying its a bad phone, im saying its not the best, nor does it deserve the extent of the attention the apple lovers spread around, ive had about 5 posts on face book today about people crapping on about the specs of the phone, when clearly they arnt researching what else is available and are reading the same email set out by apple as everyone else.


Please see above you stating that the 5mp camera has a file res of 960 x 640, and also on another occasion that the ipad doesn't have bluetooth. Also when you said iphone can't listen to music in background of other tasks. I'm trying to put this in the least hostile way possible, but you quote a lot of misinformation about apple stuff.




like you say i have a inferior complex, but like you say, "nothing wrong with that photo" then add the little "as a snapshot"

what ever gets you off dude.


Easy now, considering that I deal with pretty expensive photographic gear for work everyday, my standards of photographic quality are pretty well formed. Looking objectively the photos blurred, I can see quite a bit of optical aberration and i can also see noise reduction eating finer detail. If I had imported that photo in my library it wouldn't have made the first cut, just due to it being blurry.
That doesn't take away from the photo at all - it's a phone snap of a tiger, not a choreographed perfected image - I'm not trying to pay you out or anything - not even saying my phone wouldn't have done any better.




show me evidence that the light sensor is only available on one other phone, and any supporting documents on why its better. Other than thats what it says on the apple website and the assumptions your filling in, in between.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backside_illumination

That article says only the iphone4 and 1 HTC use it. Considering Sony only announced it about 1.5 years ago and it's only just starting to trickle into their compact cameras now, it sounds right.




Your cracking on as though the other phones have 13mpxls, dave just said that other phones have had 5mpxl for ages and you spieled on about how more can be worse but that doesnt apply to apple for some reason?

Not really, dave was saying that they're using an old tech 5mp sensor when that was incorrect - once again they're using a sony back illuminated sensor which is actually very very new tech. Dave was referring to the megapixel count from the (common but incorrect) point of view that more megapixels is better. I was explaining why that isn't the case on tiny sensors.

It doesn't apply for apple (at this point) because they're still at a reasonable pixel count for their sensor size, and the jump from 3mp to 5mp can be justified by the implementation of the back illumination sensor, which allows for cleaner signals and better heat control on the on-chip electronics.




here are some real features i use on my phone on a daily basis
fm transmitter
messaging
internet
torch


the fm transmitter alone is reason enough for me not to buy an iphone.

I found over 300 radio transmitter apps on appstore. Most free. And I'll add to that an built in fm transmitter app is expected from apple this year.

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 01:48 AM
What do you listen to on FM radio anyway Beall? I hate that shit - worst music and 95% shitty advertising for pest control or some t shirt you can win by covering your car in one giant bumper sticker... haha...

driftke70
9th June 2010, 03:19 AM
an app cant fit a physical device gavin

transmitting fm radio means i can play music from my phone on 90% of devices without a cord, in anyones car, at work etc.

yes the radio sucks but i listen to abc

also your just regurgitating what jobs says about megapixels, everyone knows they arnt everything, but they do play a key role, if you have two sensors of equal size the one with more megapixels is going to be better.
http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/This-blog-post-could-save-you-from-Steve-Jobs-iPhone-4-Reality-Distortion-Field/1275948198

you say i do alot of misquoting?
you said that the creator of adobe and steve jobs have been good friends since the early days, when the only real connection they had was apple was adobes first customer.

you didnt even know the relationship of cocoa and linux to osx.

i was told mis information and quoted mis information,

you make up stories and facts.

driftke70
9th June 2010, 03:25 AM
you also said sony announced back lit ilumination, but it had already been made by another company.
http://www.dcviews.com/press/OmniVision-CMOS.htm

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 10:38 AM
also your just regurgitating what jobs says about megapixels, everyone knows they arnt everything, but they do play a key role, if you have two sensors of equal size the one with more megapixels is going to be better.
http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/This-blog-post-could-save-you-from-Steve-Jobs-iPhone-4-Reality-Distortion-Field/1275948198


No, what you're saying is basically incorrect. If you have 2 sensors the same size, the one with the more megapixels is going to have smaller individual pixels which is bad. The sweet spot for aps-c sensors seems to be about 12mp, and if you go and look at the chart I posted above, you'll see how much larger an aps-c sensor is compared to a phone one. The way to justify putting more megapixels on a sensor is to either make the physical sensor bigger or develop ways to keep individual pixels large (canon has gap-less microlenses and then there's back illumination etc)

I haven't even seen what jobs has said about it, that information comes straight from my experience with digital cameras technology. if Jobs has said something about the current state of camera phone megapixels being too high, he's actually right. Examples of what I've been saying in the real world:

Olympus SLR boss announces 12mp is enough:
http://www.cnet.com/8301-13951_1-10189546-63.html

"Twelve megapixels is, I think, enough for covering most applications most customers need," said Akira Watanabe, manager of Olympus Imaging's SLR planning department
We have no intention to compete in the megapixel wars for E-System," Olympus' line of SLR cameras, he said.
Increasing the number of megapixels on cameras is an easy selling point for camera makers, in part because it's a simple concept for people to understand.
For one thing, smaller pixels can mean more noisy speckles at the pixel level and can reduce the dynamic range, so brighter areas wash out and darker areas become swaths of black."


Canon reduces megapixels in it's flagship compact camera:
http://cityblogger.com/archives/2009/12/17/canon-first-to-reduce-megapixel-in-g11

"When Canon came up with a new model of G11 which replaces the G10, they decided to reduce the megapixel and improve the image quality. What they found was that while increasing megapixels was making the customer feel that they are getting something better, it wasn’t adding any much value other than increasing the file sizes. In fact it was generating more noise at higher ISOs, resulting in poor photo quality."

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 11:21 AM
an app cant fit a physical device gavin


http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Apple-iPhone-iPod-FM-Receiver,news-4855.html

"Both the iPhone 3GS and the iPod 3G have an FM transmitter and receiver installed, however currently there are no apps to activate the latent hardware."



also your just regurgitating what jobs says about megapixels, everyone knows they arnt everything, but they do play a key role, if you have two sensors of equal size the one with more megapixels is going to be better.

It's pretty obvious that your knowledge of camera sensors is fairly limited and you're arguing with someone who knows a lot about it.



you say i do alot of misquoting?
you said that the creator of adobe and steve jobs have been good friends since the early days, when the only real connection they had was apple was adobes first customer.

you didnt even know the relationship of cocoa and linux to osx.

In the early days, apple probably wouldn't have grown so quickly if it weren't for adobe, and vice versa. I don't really understand what the point you're trying to make is...

I couldn't remember which was the later one between carbon and cocoa APIs, and I know very well the connection between UNIX and osx.



you also said sony announced back lit ilumination, but it had already been made by another company.
http://www.dcviews.com/press/OmniVision-CMOS.htm

As far as I know Sony were the first to bring out and/or utilize back illuminated sensor technology. I remember when they actually announced it in 2008, and I remember having a conversation with a whole lot of other photographers in the Australian Institute of Professional Photographers (AIPP) imaging trade show about the technology later that year - I didn't just learn about it this week. Even if omnivision were the first to invent the technology I had never heard that, and it wouldn't matter anyway. It doesn't change the fact that it's an impressive technology and it's on the iphone4.

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 11:39 AM
By the way OS4 has already been jailbroken apparently.

driftke70
9th June 2010, 01:35 PM
So what you have established is that the camera is on par with other phones but still lacks in other areas, costs more, is over advertised and marketed but you have still managed to make excuses for these things.

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 01:52 PM
So what you have established is that the camera is on par with other phones but still lacks in other areas, costs more, is over advertised and marketed but you have still managed to make excuses for these things.

Can you explain to me the point you're trying to make? The camera is probably better than most other phones camera, but the specs wouldn't tell you that unless you knew a little bit about it. It's the same price as other equivalent smartphones, and how can a product over advertised or marketed? I still don't understand how you can be anti-marketing? How do you think companies tell people about their products?

driftke70
9th June 2010, 02:27 PM
its not how much its how.

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 02:33 PM
Well it all makes sense now

driftke70
9th June 2010, 02:47 PM
no other company pats their own back so hard and so much

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 02:52 PM
and this affects you how?

driftke70
9th June 2010, 02:55 PM
i dont like pretentious assholes, and i dont like pretentious assholes that give other people reason to do the same.

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 03:08 PM
any apple product would not improve my life in any way, over anything else on the market.
you can argue till your blue in the face that they have for you, but in my time knowing you I see no evidence of this.
Id even go as far to say that all the time you spend researching them, any time if any spent earning the extra money to buy them over
much cheaper options, has prevented you from being able to complete more work, and buy more things that would aid your business in a
more effective manner.




Yes, you're hatred of pretentious assholes even extends as far as knowing what's best for me and my business



:hehe:

driftke70
9th June 2010, 03:25 PM
exactly

heres an image i think sums up everything pretty well.
it is also 100% legit.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/8/85/SteveJobsAIDSTest.jpg/746px-SteveJobsAIDSTest.jpg

driftke70
9th June 2010, 03:27 PM
lol you type pretentious into reference.com and the word macbook comes up HAHAHAHAHAHAH
http://www.reference.com/browse/pretentious

driftke70
9th June 2010, 03:29 PM
here is an image showing jobs to possibly be the first douche bag to have a popped collar
http://29.media.tumblr.com/kDJraD8nwc4f1r8iMP1z4VkE_400.jpg

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 03:39 PM
Very funny. May I direct you to this video of the gentleman himself - CEO of microsoft, Steve Balmer?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 03:46 PM
heres an image i think sums up everything pretty well.
it is also 100% legit.

Not only is your implied homophobia piss poor form, but the people that supposedly found and "leaked" that did a big press release in which they stated:

"Due to the contradictory dates, possible evidence of forgery, strong motivations for fabrication, and few motivations for a legitimate revelation, the images should not be taken at face value."

As can be seen here:
http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/Correction_of_DPA_article_in_respect_to_WikiLeaks_ and_Steve_Jobs_HIV_test/index.html

And a report by information week magazine:
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/01/wikileaks_owes.html;jsessionid=EVW1X53FFNUD3QE1GHP CKH4ATMY32JVN


100% legit ey?

letsgohunting
9th June 2010, 04:16 PM
Annnd with that, I'm done posting on this thread - gets me too worked up.

Richard
10th June 2010, 04:26 PM
im conclusion it is better than a nokia 3210...except for the battery life

AJPS
15th June 2010, 12:05 PM
I still cant believe the video calling is being repped so hard, my old lg had and and i thought it was smooth etc and that was in 2005?

ke70dave
15th June 2010, 12:28 PM
I still cant believe the video calling is being repped so hard, my old lg had and and i thought it was smooth etc and that was in 2005?

and i bet your LG could do video calling over the phone network.

from what i gather you have to be on wifi to use video calling on ipodphone?

AJPS
15th June 2010, 08:05 PM
and i bet your LG could do video calling over the phone network.

from what i gather you have to be on wifi to use video calling on ipodphone?

yeah, it was so easy and worked well...

I want to see real innovation, not just slick re packaging from apple

hachirusto
15th June 2010, 09:07 PM
yea got to admit they are really spunging the whole video calling thing like its the next best thing since choclate milk, guess the stuipd masses will be fooled by it with apples awesome marketing tactics

driftke70
15th June 2010, 10:11 PM
in the australian today dude was saying the multitasking only works currently with itunes the clock and safari on the iphone 4, and that if any other apps are going to be multitasked they haved to have their code re-written.

letsgohunting
16th June 2010, 11:53 AM
Beall that's the current situation that you described with the old model iphones. Like my 2g will have safari open with multiple tabs loading stuff in the background, same with itunes etc. the new one will definitely be legit with multitask - i've seen videos.

ae86
16th June 2010, 02:39 PM
well im entering this messed up threat, asking whos going to get the iphone 4?

before you rant at me driftke70 il agree with most points steve jobs is a bit of a nub with alot of his choices e.g doesnt like java creators so he doesnt enable iphone to be java enabled ? that would be a huge jump in improvements for alot of people in sys admin / web dev departments, and yes alot of idiots just get the iphone cause they think its cool

only reason im going to get it is cause im a tightarse 86 driver who doesnt like to pay for apps, or else id be going HTC direction.

letsgohunting
16th June 2010, 04:25 PM
I'm getting one because my old 2g one (first one out - not available in aus) has more than done it's duty.

driftke70
17th June 2010, 11:20 PM
Beall that's the current situation that you described with the old model iphones. Like my 2g will have safari open with multiple tabs loading stuff in the background, same with itunes etc. the new one will definitely be legit with multitask - i've seen videos.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/16307/iphone_4_multitasking_will_be_disappointing


just so you don't get disappointed man.

ke70dave
17th June 2010, 11:24 PM
but what would you want to multi task on an a phone?

sure have music running in the background, but my nokia can do that. and its 3yrs old.

but everything else doesnt need to be multi tasked? games/apps. you can only do one at a time anyway......

driftke70
17th June 2010, 11:31 PM
im just saying its a bit misleading,

on my phone i have about 5 running at once, email, formula 1 updates, music, picture viewer, calculator, commodore 64 emulator, and my wlan wizard. thats on a daily basis and sometimes fluctuates with a few more or less.

the thing is its about choice, the apps dont have to be changed or anything they just multi task if you want them to. Be annoying if you want one to and it cant just because the developers cant see the point. They shouldn't even have to change their programs to allow it.
Save battery life? thats the choice of the user.
Stability? limit it to 5 programs or something.

More than capable hardware wise. Hell the 3gs is capable hardware wise, ive seen jailbroken 3g and 3gs multi task several programs fine.
theres more to it i think.

driftke70
17th June 2010, 11:33 PM
also dave you say that, but i play games sometimes and you pause and send someone a quick message and get back into it,
everyones different.
my phone basically has a task bar that you can minimize and maximise things to, as many as you want. When you get up around 10 or so depending on the programs they get a little chuggy changing but they all still work.

letsgohunting
17th June 2010, 11:51 PM
That article points out that apps will have to be re-written - it's (i would guess) right. But I wouldn't worry about it as an iphone owner - they'll all be rewritten for it soon enough.

letsgohunting
17th June 2010, 11:59 PM
What a lot of people that criticized the 'lack of' multitasking in previous generations don't realize is that all the standard apps actually do run in the background, or 'multitask' anyway. Like on my email is always receiving and letting me know when I receive emails regardless of what I'm doing on the phone, ipod works in the background and you can play songs whilst doing anything else (internet, messaging, youtube, calender, calc etc) and if you're on the internet you can exit midway through a page load, read and reply to a message, and then resume back to your safari page which loaded whilst you messaged. Whilst in any application or even when the phone is on sleep if you double click the home button it pulls up a quick menu for the ipod which has basic song controls without having to actually go into ipod applicatio.

Like, multitask is cool, but I'm not that excited about that anyway - the original iphone OS's did pretty much multitask with main stuff anyway. Of course I haven't actually played with OS4 and multitasking but I can't see it being any massive jump over what I'm doing now...

driftke70
18th June 2010, 01:04 AM
you coming fishing tomorrow with henry?

letsgohunting
18th June 2010, 02:12 AM
Yeah man I'm definitely keen. msg me tomorrow

ke70dave
18th June 2010, 09:30 AM
also dave you say that, but i play games sometimes and you pause and send someone a quick message and get back into it,
everyones different.
my phone basically has a task bar that you can minimize and maximise things to, as many as you want. When you get up around 10 or so depending on the programs they get a little chuggy changing but they all still work.

yer good point with the game/sms.

my n95 multi tasks, and sometimes i forget that i have the camera going in the background (usually done by mistake), and it drains the battery real fast!

Richard
18th June 2010, 10:05 AM
2G was avalible in Aus...my mother in law has one

letsgohunting
18th June 2010, 02:54 PM
2G was avalible in Aus...my mother in law has one

No it wasn't. I got mine from singapore. 3g was first model in Aus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IPhone_3G_Availability.svg

Richard
21st June 2010, 04:05 PM
she must of got hers from there too

driftke70
21st June 2010, 09:20 PM
also people seem to think the iphone 4 is 4g, but its not, something to look out for.

letsgohunting
22nd June 2010, 02:42 PM
For the iphone users here, iOS4 is out, and available free for iphone 3g, 3gs and ipod touches.

Basic rundown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRs1VTLse08&feature=player_embedded

Non documented changed found so far:
http://gizmodo.com/5513121/the-hidden-secrets-of-iphone-os-4/

letsgohunting
23rd June 2010, 10:41 PM
reviews out today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/technology/personaltech/23pogue.html

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/22/iphone-4-review/

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/22/apple-iphone-4-hands.html

driftke70
24th June 2010, 12:19 AM
http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/mobile%20os%20market%20share%20change.png

http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2010/04/meet-hypocrites-steve-jobs.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/30/steve_jobs_claims_ogg_theora_attack/

http://n4g.com/news/540601/iphone-4-not-as-good-as-apple-promises

letsgohunting
24th June 2010, 01:07 AM
re: that graph - http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/android-vs-iphone-which-handset-is-winning-the-hearts-and-minds-of-owners/8516

- Web standards and all that are an ongoing war that will never be settled. Apple devices aren't open source fo sho - thats the very thing that gives the devices their particular notable advantages IMO

- And with the screen thing, that article sounds very much like a theoretical thing to me - all the reviews being posted at the moment are pretty much saying it's the best screen on a phone so far. No doubt within a few months there will be others at least as good or better though.

ke70dave
24th June 2010, 09:16 AM
that OS4 does look quite good...

driftke70
24th June 2010, 03:09 PM
the problem with iphones is the everyday things are difficult. Like calling and stuff.

letsgohunting
24th June 2010, 03:39 PM
What exactly would you say makes it difficult for calling?

trueno85
24th June 2010, 03:47 PM
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/06/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band/

uh-oh although I'm sure it will just be a small fault

I'm looking forward to my Samsung galaxy s

letsgohunting
24th June 2010, 03:57 PM
yeah very interesting that - although it's happened before eg nexus one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHYT-g

will be interesting to see what becomes of it..

driftke70
24th June 2010, 04:18 PM
the quicklist dialing sucks compared to normal speed dial

no dedicated call or hang up buttons

all iphones (not sure about 4 ) have had terrible call quality, you have to have your ear really well aligned to the speaker, hence why many iphone users use speaker phone.

all the ringtones are pretty quiet, unless you choose the old phone ring tone, mp3s cant be used as a ring tone.

needs many key pushes for the simplest of things

you cant delete single calls in your call lists ie received or made

you cant forward text messages

emails are limited to one attachment

its odd that it doesnt have a music equalizer for its "ipod" application

driftke70
24th June 2010, 04:24 PM
re reception, i had a strange feeling this was going to happen,
happened with the ipad as well. Its been known for years I assumed apple would have gotten around it in one way or another but appears not.

ae71neo
24th June 2010, 05:51 PM
It does have an equalizer
You can forward messages
My speaker is just fine, hold it to your ear
To call someone you just have to hit it one more time to call, its not that hard
I agree with quiet ringtones, or they're just really loud message tones
You can set a song as your ringtone, the only pain is you cant do it straight on the phone

trueno85
24th June 2010, 06:04 PM
I'm about to buy a new phone and was waiting for the new iphone announcement to be made at the beginning of the month and then I would decide if I was finally getting an iphone or an Android phone, so i've been reading countless blogs and reviews. It just seems that no one is really impressed with the iphone 4 and it seems that there only just saying the good things about it BECAUSE its an iphone which is what annoys me. If any other company brought out a phone with those specs and tried to proclaim that it was the greatest innovation ever it would be completely panned. I would understand it if it was marketed as a mid range phone but its not.

I completely agree that they have done a great job making a smartphone user friendly to majority of users but I don't really think that, that is enough anymore to be at the top like it was when the original was released. I'm not just dissing it because its an Apple product, I just bought a macbook pro in December and I'll never go back to windows.

AJPS
24th June 2010, 07:41 PM
the quicklist dialing sucks compared to normal speed dial

no dedicated call or hang up buttons

all iphones (not sure about 4 ) have had terrible call quality, you have to have your ear really well aligned to the speaker, hence why many iphone users use speaker phone.

all the ringtones are pretty quiet, unless you choose the old phone ring tone, mp3s cant be used as a ring tone.

needs many key pushes for the simplest of things

you cant delete single calls in your call lists ie received or made

you cant forward text messages

emails are limited to one attachment

its odd that it doesnt have a music equalizer for its "ipod" application

All of this, but the ONE thing I hate the most about numbers is...

Someone asks me to forward them a number.

Then I get a call saying I never got it? Only iphones dont accept business cards or whatever they are.

letsgohunting
24th June 2010, 09:43 PM
the quicklist dialing sucks compared to normal speed dial

no dedicated call or hang up buttons

all iphones (not sure about 4 ) have had terrible call quality, you have to have your ear really well aligned to the speaker, hence why many iphone users use speaker phone.

all the ringtones are pretty quiet, unless you choose the old phone ring tone, mp3s cant be used as a ring tone.

needs many key pushes for the simplest of things

you cant delete single calls in your call lists ie received or made

you cant forward text messages

emails are limited to one attachment

its odd that it doesnt have a music equalizer for its "ipod" application

meh - same with all touchscreen phones. tbh I've never used speed dial on any of my phones anyway

neither do the htc evo 4g have dedicated call buttons etc - it's because it's a true touchscreen phone. neither bad nor good, just different.

Call quality isn't top of the heap (nokias are always good here - and motos) but it's probably better than average. Certainly better than the blackberry storm we had for a few days. it's easily loud enough, never had the issue you speak of

Can make custom ringtones from mp3 when you sync it in itunes from - and not just from mp3 - any file format.

disagree with many key presses - for instance most phones are menu based when you have to go into a menu to change stuff, iphone isn't menu based. in fact it doesn't even have any keys, which makes it less effort.

meh - never had or needed to delete single calls off the list. Good feature if you're into cheating on your bf/gf though I spose haha

you certainly can forward text messages

you certainly can attach more than 1 file to an email

It does have an equalizer for it's ipod application, with 23 included presets.

letsgohunting
24th June 2010, 10:15 PM
re reception, i had a strange feeling this was going to happen,
happened with the ipad as well. Its been known for years I assumed apple would have gotten around it in one way or another but appears not.

ipad wifi update is coming apparently. note it's actually only a small percentage of them that have the issue. prob points to old routers etc instead of device problems

Mickey H
24th June 2010, 11:21 PM
meh - same with all touchscreen phones.
My Blackberry touchscreen phone circa 2008 can do everything on that list. A friend of mine got an iPhone 3G the same time I got mine, and apart from the app/game selection mine pretty much killed his feature-wise.
About that Gizmodo article, has it been confirmed that holding it does affect the reception/3g speed? or does it just change how much reception the phone thinks it is getting.

letsgohunting
24th June 2010, 11:41 PM
cool. my mom had a blackberry storm for about 3 days. worst phone I've ever used. My old nokia brick I had when I was 15 was a significantly more polished phone. I don't mean that in an argumentative way - just IMO.

driftke70
25th June 2010, 03:56 AM
ipad wifi update is coming apparently. note it's actually only a small percentage of them that have the issue. prob points to old routers etc instead of device problems

3g and wifi are two different receptions

driftke70
25th June 2010, 03:57 AM
also apple products are notorious for being very picky with routers and stuff,

letsgohunting
25th June 2010, 10:27 AM
can't say I've had any probs with mine

ae86
25th June 2010, 11:46 AM
so anyone looked at US prices of iphone 4, wonder how the prices will be when it comes out here,
should be interesting.

Richard
25th June 2010, 11:58 AM
no i agree its a bit more stuffing about to call people you need to be able to scroll down the list and just press call and the end call is on the screen and if you have a big chin u keep hanging up on people and everytime i go to hang up i press the only button "cancel" and it just takes me outta the screen but im still on the call. harder to dial while ur driving because you cant feel the buttons

ke70dave
25th June 2010, 12:01 PM
thats what i like about the new HTC phone, apparnetly it has a proximitey sensor on the face, so if its up to your ear it wont let you press any buttons on the screen.

and you shoudlnt be using a phone when your driving anyway...

trueno85
25th June 2010, 12:38 PM
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/06/some-iphone-4-displays-have-yellow-bands-and-spots/

letsgohunting
25th June 2010, 01:24 PM
haha... the iphone also has a proximity sensor actually - so if you're hanging the phone up with your chin you're doing something drastically wrong.

driftke70
25th June 2010, 01:28 PM
can't say I've had any probs with mine

you told me you had to get whole new routers for your house as your old ones kept dropping out

letsgohunting
25th June 2010, 01:28 PM
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/06/some-iphone-4-displays-have-yellow-bands-and-spots/

eek. haha - have to see what happens with this one. Apparently in one of the forums the guy that pitched the adhesive used for the screen to apple themselves rekons that it's the adhesive not being fully dry, and within a few days will disappear.

driftke70
25th June 2010, 01:30 PM
all phones have proximty sensors, my n97 has one,

how the software deals with them is a different thing.

I just dont see the point in not having dedicated call buttons

form over function

letsgohunting
25th June 2010, 01:32 PM
you told me you had to get whole new routers for your house as your old ones kept dropping out

did the same with my windows computers. Remember we also run 2 windows laptops in the house. routers kept going poo poo so we switched to a solid modem and an airport express. No more dropping out on any of the computers. This was a few years ago now.

You can't rep something like the htc EVO 4g (which doesn't have hardware call buttons) and then say that the iphone is bad because it doesn't have them. haha. most of the touchscreen phones don't have them. It in no way impedes functionality.

letsgohunting
25th June 2010, 01:37 PM
btw... signal drop when touching the phone actually happens to a lot of phones:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_RP7Fn1w8Q&feature=player_embedded#!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIA_lMwqJA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi1gHDa7-X0

driftke70
25th June 2010, 01:41 PM
eek. haha - have to see what happens with this one. Apparently in one of the forums the guy that pitched the adhesive used for the screen to apple themselves rekons that it's the adhesive not being fully dry, and within a few days will disappear.

those white spots aint going away anytime soon,

if apple just communicated better with other companies instead of keeping everything secret and demanding things samsung would have been able to do better qc, and apple would have had more time to test the device for faults.

the more behind they are technology wise the more they are going to have to rush things out, and the more faults there are going to be.

letsgohunting
25th June 2010, 01:46 PM
I wouldn't exactly say they're behind technology wise hahaha... I doubt samsung makes the screen as well - it would put apple at a disadvantage when it comes to another competing phone company knowing what tech they're using long before the apple product is out.

Either way I'm sure apple will sort the shit out - they're exceptional with backing their products via warrantee etc.

driftke70
25th June 2010, 01:46 PM
i rep the evo as its a better product than the iphone4
i have an n97 with dedicated call buttons so i dont care what others buy, my next phone ill look into it more

your routers were fine with your computers until you got apple computers.

its easier to not touch the back of a phone than it is to not touch the sides. especially on a big square iphone.

its common knowledge that touching the antenna reduces reception,
iphone was just stupid enough to put it where you hold the phone.

every phone i have ever had has had a warning in the instructions not to hold your hand over the antenna. This
has always been easy as its at the top back part of the phone and you would have to be a idiot to do so while calling.

also lol'd last night, apparently apple hired people with absolutely freakshow big hands to demo the iphone 4 so it looked small.

letsgohunting
25th June 2010, 01:51 PM
I'm actually looking at a new phone for the end of next month. haha you can't even get the evo in australia. and it has significant flaws too. And the other good one is the motorola droid X, which isn't even coming out in Australia. Neither of their screens match up, and the evos battery is dismal.

haha yes, I'm sure you monitored my routers to make sure they worked fine when I had netgear ones with windows computers :right: I'm telling you now that the only time I haven't had router probs - windows or osx is with the airport express.

And where are you pulling the stuff that apple hired people with big hands to show off the iphone from? And what's more, if you're insinuating that the iphone is big, the iphone 4 is smaller than your n97, and significantly smaller than both the evo 4g AND the droid X, and yet still has a higher resolution screen than both...

Mickey H
25th June 2010, 01:57 PM
Some great PR by Steve Jobs.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/06/apples-acknowledges-iphone-4-reception-issues-says-dont-hold-it-like-that/
'It's not a big issue'

ke70dave
25th June 2010, 02:12 PM
driftke70, i belive you have dug yourself a hole, and now its filling with water:P

driftke70
25th June 2010, 02:19 PM
i dont care if its the same size as a matchbox its misleading to consumers.

you told me you had problems trying to connect your apples, dont bend that, have a look on the net, its common for apples wifi to be picky

both droid x and evo are available for purchase unlocked from the states cheaper than you could get it in australia, you would be stupid to not do the same even if you wanted an iphone. Your phone wasnt available in australia letsgo but you seem to be perfectly capable of owning it

what hole have i dug dave?

letsgohunting
25th June 2010, 02:24 PM
Show me evidence of said sales people with large hands pls. Otherwise you're talking shit.

I had problems with router and or modem dropping the connection, with both windows and osx computers. We run both. if it was an apple problem the windows would still work. I've never had problems at any other wifi spot with my macbook either. /end.

droid x runs on a completely different network and if you buy one from the US it does not work in Aus. They don't make one that can run in Aus. Evo yes, but I haven't even touched one yet - I wouldn't buy one without having a play first.

driftke70
25th June 2010, 02:34 PM
so your saying that you had windows machines and a router that didnt work for several years before you decided to change it, that coincided with your apple purchases.

if your apples were confusing the router, of course your windows pcs arnt going to work, and I guarantee they would have with some changes in the settings.

what was the fault of the router in the end? not an apple product?


http://boingboing.net/2007/06/21/apple-uses-bighanded.html

^found in 2 seconds of searching, not the original one i read but close enough.

all phones run on different networks, it is possible to unlock them, takes 20 minutes.

i dont care if you want an iphone4, just dont say other options are worse and unavailable.

letsgohunting
25th June 2010, 02:59 PM
That's not even an iphone 4 in that picture, it's an old one.

It wasn't the computers, half the time it was the modem itself, half the time it was the router,

re: droid x - "At the moment there is no reason to presume it will ever come out in Australia. It is a CDMA phone so you wont be able to import it as it wont work on Australian networks (gsm)"

original droid only just came out in aus, and that's a phone thats like 6months to a year old. I never said other options were worse, I said i'm looking at 3 phones in particular. droid x, which isn't available and the evo 4g which isn't available and has a few other things I don't like about it. I know you don't like iphones, but mine has been the best phone i've had by a long shot, I love it, so it makes sense I would look at the next one.

Richard
25th June 2010, 03:27 PM
There is not one phone on this earth that will get signal at my house...been like that for years sometimes you get one bar

letsgohunting
25th June 2010, 03:29 PM
Yeah I've got a few black holes in my house too

driftke70
25th June 2010, 04:41 PM
sucks that australia is always so far behind with things.

im eyeing off the n8 or the rumored n9 for future phones but i dont like touch screen keyboards and capacitive touch

Richard
25th June 2010, 04:41 PM
whats the go tv reception is the same too

driftke70
25th June 2010, 04:47 PM
signal strength is just low,
depends where you are, at my x's old house in brisbane we had crystal clear tv reception just by plugging a component cord into the back of the tv with no ariel or wall plug going to an ariel.

also some things differ, like my digital tv in my room gets better reception than my old man.

some things are alright, it would suck to live in america and have iphone locked to at&t
apple demands 30% of profit made on calls, thats why the other carriers dont pick them up.

letsgohunting
25th June 2010, 06:01 PM
AT&T reception is apparently terrible. Verizone is the big daddy there - which is why the droid is so popular there.


Hey has anyone used telstra next G compared to optus/vodaphone here? How is it?

driftke70
25th June 2010, 06:10 PM
nicole hated it
shes on optus now and actually gets reception in her house

my bros and dad were on next g and have moved onto 3 and optus

trueno85
25th June 2010, 06:11 PM
Basically at least the acknowledge it but they don't care and you should just buy a case or don't hold it that way. So its not a software issue its hardware...

trueno85
25th June 2010, 06:18 PM
hahaha this is awesome, I hope something actually comes from this but there's to many followers for it to make a difference

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/hey-apple-youre-holding-it-wrong.jpg

driftke70
25th June 2010, 08:49 PM
I wouldn't exactly say they're behind technology wise hahaha... I doubt samsung makes the screen as well - it would put apple at a disadvantage when it comes to another competing phone company knowing what tech they're using long before the apple product is out.

Either way I'm sure apple will sort the shit out - they're exceptional with backing their products via warrantee etc.

it was LG not samsung sorry
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20008149-64.html

and heres something interesting while your reading

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/samsung-iphone-4s-retina-display-is-nice-but-its-no-amoled/

letsgohunting
25th June 2010, 08:56 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/samsung-iphone-4s-retina-display-is-nice-but-its-no-amoled/

Of course samsung are going to get all defensive about it haha.

Maybe you should read this one - from the same site. Make sure you look at the example photos.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/iphone-4-retina-display-vs-galaxy-s-super-amoled-fight?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget

for instance:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/10x0624ou21b34231comp.jpg

Also, I found out that regular OLED screens only have capacity to show 65k colors. That means HTC evo 4g etc. Iphone 4 shows 16 million. Super AMOLED like samsung galaxy S can do 16m but only has half the resolution. IPS tech comes from apple cinema displays, and has better color accuracy than OLED. OLED blows color channels - is over saturated etc - especially in reds/oranges, but will also give blacker blacks because of no need for backlight.

Nicko
25th June 2010, 11:50 PM
There is not one phone on this earth that will get signal at my house...been like that for years sometimes you get one bar

Must be the unstoppable gravitational pull of the black hole directly inbetween your ears

letsgohunting
26th June 2010, 03:06 PM
http://images.macworld.com/images/news/graphics/152314-smartphoentestresults2_original.jpg


http://www.macworld.com/article/152314/2010/06/iphonecameratests.html

AJPS
26th June 2010, 04:46 PM
Pulled a mates old ipod apart,

Had TOSHIBA internals with apple logos on the internals (with toshiba also clearly on quite a few parts)

WTF?

Btw button and screen fucked up on it.

letsgohunting
26th June 2010, 04:59 PM
Apple is first and foremost a software company. Ipods are made by a contracted company in china and use toshiba, samsung and seagate harddrives and bits and pieces. You'll find most decent mp3 players use the same or similar parts. The difference is in construction and software.

For instance my imac uses matsushita (panasonic) cd drive, toshiba HD, intel chip, kingston ram etc.

Ipad + iphone 4 "a4" processor is an apple designed chip, reputably made by samsung. HD is most likely toshiba.

etc.

letsgohunting
26th June 2010, 05:00 PM
Though it has to be said that a lot of the parts they use aren't shared with other brands. For instance integrated graphics chips on the laptops are apple only from nvidia.

AJPS
26th June 2010, 05:24 PM
Fair enough

driftke70
26th June 2010, 06:57 PM
doesnt really help justify their pricetag though.

letsgohunting
26th June 2010, 07:42 PM
Hardware specs is only a small part of how something runs. More important is how the software and hardware co-exist, and how good the software itself is. You can buy HP/Dell etc computers that have the same great physical quality as (for instance) a macbook pro, but they cost the same.

driftke70
26th June 2010, 07:44 PM
thats the thing, they dont

macbook is underspeced and cost 1300

you can get the same spec laptop for 500, or a really nice looking one for 700.

letsgohunting
26th June 2010, 08:27 PM
HP envy is the HP macbook pro equiv. It's actually more expensive than the MBPs for a similar model. Add to that it's basically a clone of the MBP. It starts at 1700US for the 13 inch model.

I wouldn't call the base macbook underspecced or overpriced - I'd rather pay an extra $300 for osx. But that's just me.

driftke70
27th June 2010, 02:49 AM
macbook
http://www.apple.com/au/macbook/specs.html

* 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB on-chip shared L2 cache
* 1066MHz frontside bus
* 2GB (two 1GB SO-DIMMs) of 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM; two SO-DIMM slots support up to 4GB
13 inch screen
$1250

toshiba
2.2ghz intel core duo (same chip just not overclocked)
4gb ddr2
15 inch screen
$1060

http://203.185.232.2/dbs/images/pic/14064.jpg


much higher spec and 200 cheaper




heres another one slightly higher spec for $770

Toshiba SAT PRO A300 C2D T6600 2.2Ghz 250G 2G HD3470 15.4 DVDRW VB w XPPro
Internet Price: $770

available at umart maroochydore same day purchase

letsgohunting
27th June 2010, 01:01 PM
older/slower processor and slower ram, 3 hour battery vs 10 hour, glass trackpad vs plastic, illuminated keys etc but yeah it's a 15" screen and it's cheaper. I'd still have the macbook though. In fact I'd spend an extra 300 again and get a macbook pro. They're way better built and have better graphics cards.

Richard
28th June 2010, 04:47 PM
Must be the unstoppable gravitational pull of the black hole directly inbetween your ears

Nice attack

driftke70
30th June 2010, 10:20 PM
reports that apple has been using false marketing in its advertising using much clearer images than the screen actually displays and in its own press releases used
much higher resolutions than the screen can achieve.

http://getyourgadgetsgoing.com/2010/06/11/true-lies-apples-deceptions-on-retina-display/#more-213

more problems arsing

http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10009201/iphone-problems-multiply-as-apple-sticks-its-fingers-in-its-ears/

proximity sensor up next

http://www.devicemag.com/2010/06/29/apples-newest-iphone-4-riddled-with-problems-proximity-sensor-next-in-line/



some interesting reading
http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10003248/apple-dances-around-overheating-problems-so-whos-surprised/

http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10009133/apple-iphone-4-shows-that-innovation-without-execution-fails/

http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10009172/why-fanboys-can-be-a-tech-companys-worst-enemies/




apple has basically said that if you are experiencing problems you are holding it wrong in regards to reception,
reports that the problem is never ending for left handers (such as myself)
the amount of time my phone spends in my right hand leads me to believe right handers would want to use a phone in their left hand around the same amount.

driftke70
30th June 2010, 10:43 PM
interesting read re jobs v flash
http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apples-problem-with-Flash-is-mobile-applications-competition/1266602742

letsgohunting
1st July 2010, 08:51 AM
Issues issues everywhere... I can find problems with any phone on the internet.

htc evo:
- Glass separation problems with screen http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/13/htc-evo-suffering-from-glass-separation-issues/
- Updates bricking phones http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/06/29/htc-evo-4g-update-problems-bricking-phones/
- Misc issues http://androidspin.com/2010/06/14/the-issue-list-for-the-htc-is-growing/
- Random reboots http://www.talkandroid.com/3979-htc-evo-4g-having-random-rebooting-issues/
- Weak wifi issues, connectivity issues with vid chat http://www.mydigitallife.info/2010/06/09/htc-evo-4g-wifi-signal-weak-and-qik-video-chat-issues/
- SD card problems http://androidcommunity.com/is-the-htc-evo-4g-plagued-with-storage-problems-20100531/
- Touchscreen tracking issues (phone needs to be grounded in hand for touchscreen to be accurate) http://gadgetsteria.com/2010/06/14/suicide-watch-htc-evo-has-more-problems-with-touchscreen-tracking-issues/
- Dismal battery life http://chris.pirillo.com/iphone-3gs-vs-htc-evo-4g-battery-life/

Motorola Droid
- Screen problems http://cellphoneforums.net/motorola-droid/t306970-motorola-droid-screen-problems.html
- Speaker problems http://gizmodo.com/5405099/motorola-droid-experiencing-software+related-speaker-issues
- Phones stuck in reboot cycle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unNenbSGDN4
- Keyboard issue, scrolling issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocoxDHg09tE&feature=related
- Another keyboard issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlgykN-Iz6g&feature=related
- Camera issues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6O1UXpXda4&feature=related
- Screen scrolling issues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxc8Y1z5pV4&feature=related


Nokia n97 has bugs/issues/problems threads everywhere - here's one 60 pages long http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1537768-Nokia-N97-Official-Bugs-Issues-Problems-thread/page5?pp=15


Palm Pre
- Loose screen, ccreen randomly turns on when locked, battery unseats itself, buttons not working, keyboards stop working http://forums.palm.com/t5/webOS-Hardware/Palm-Pre-PROBLEMS/m-p/241180
- Phone resets when keyboard is opened http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10259462-1.html
- "Splotchy, distorted and discolored screens", unexpected system shutdowns http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/07/palm-pre-trouble-roundup/
- Yellow splotching on screen http://www.techspot.com/news/35000-palm-pre-in-stores-plagued-with-display-issues.html
- Heat related screen distortion http://gizmodo.com/5282279/palm-pre-users-reporting-possible-heat+related-screen-distortion
- Cracked screens, gaps in seams in the case, pixels missing in the display, and wobbles in the slide-out keyboard http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9135130/Palm_Pre_hardware_glitches_hard_to_evaluate_analys ts_say



Can find problems with pretty much any piece of tech. Most of them are remedied or fixed by manufacturers soon after.

letsgohunting
1st July 2010, 09:00 AM
Re: Signal, the signal issues are compounded. The whole hand on phone drops signal thing is true, but it's true with most phones. The iphone 4 still gets better signal than the older iphones.
"and Anandtech agrees with our general experience, saying that the iPhone 4's improved signal to noise ratio means it actually does a better job of hanging onto calls and using data when there's low signal than the iPhone 3GS. In their words, "this iPhone gets the best cellular reception yet, even though measured signal is lower than the 3GS."

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/30/iphone-4s-antenna-problem-looks-worse-than-it-is-but-its-stil?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget

letsgohunting
1st July 2010, 09:08 AM
http://getyourgadgetsgoing.com/2010/06/11/true-lies-apples-deceptions-on-retina-display/#more-213

Lies! Deception!


no. read:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/10/resolving-the-iphone-resolution/

Richard
1st July 2010, 09:16 AM
Lies! Deception!


no. read:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/10/resolving-the-iphone-resolution/

i cant be bothered reading that. is there an app i can download to summerise it or read it out to me like a book on tape

letsgohunting
1st July 2010, 10:26 AM
???

To summarize the article, Job's claim that the iphones display is high enough resolution that the human eye will not be able to detect pixels in it at 1 foot distance is sound.

trueno85
1st July 2010, 01:48 PM
Most of them are remedied or fixed by manufacturers soon after.


This is my problem. You would think that they would do something, but they don't want to

letsgohunting
1st July 2010, 04:02 PM
Actually there's a software update coming v soon.

letsgohunting
2nd July 2010, 01:11 AM
http://vimeo.com/12866065




Insane.

driftke70
2nd July 2010, 10:45 PM
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/06/28/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-which-hd-video-is-better-you-decide/

http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/06/29/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-hd-video-battle-android-wins/

driftke70
2nd July 2010, 11:06 PM
in regards to the video you posted,

firstly the dudes a douche bag

also
"Only post was dropping magic bullet mojo on top of the sequence- all defaults "

so its not direct footage from the phone,

slow motion footage is going to look good on anything with hd res.

also the amount of effort they have put into mounting and tripods and panners etc is just silly.

Im not saying the camera is crap, im just saying only an iphone user would be bothered to spend so much time, with other people, with a phone, making custom mounts etc, to film a "cinematic" for some sort of negligible arty value.

letsgohunting
3rd July 2010, 01:29 AM
Yes, only an iphone user would use his phone with HD movie capability to make something worthwhile - how silly of them...


Perhaps this video is more to your liking? No color correction even (not that it matters)
Be sure to watch in 720p:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5JQdgvzuL0&feature=player_embedded

letsgohunting
3rd July 2010, 02:09 AM
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/06/28/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-which-hd-video-is-better-you-decide/

http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/06/29/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-hd-video-battle-android-wins/

That video footage from the two phones doesn't make for a fair comparison. The iphone shot is directly onto midday sun dappled leaves which probably presents about 14-18 stops of dynamic range to deal with (steps from white to black). The samsung footage has a much easier scene in terms of absolute contrast. The video quality looks very comparable though.

Interesting to read the iphone4 review from that site though, their summary is rather glowing:
"Quite simply, the iPhone 4 is the best performing, best equipped, most well-rounded mobile phone ever made. Apple has silenced its critics, out-performed itself, and above all created an iPhone that will keep its competitors following its lead for another 12 months at least."

ke70dave
3rd July 2010, 10:55 AM
just to throw a spanner in the works..

im currently in japan, and after travelling the subway in osaka all day yesterday, ive seen 2 iphones.

EVERYONE has these flip phones that ive not even heard of the brand.

so ifthe japanese dont like the iphone...and they are the king of electronics....so what does that tell us:P

letsgohunting
3rd July 2010, 12:08 PM
Yeah Panasonic and sony bravia and toshiba flip phones have been the staple in japanese markets for ages. They all integrate with japanese life really amazingly - they have electronic pass-tags in the phone that you can swipe on a subway boarding machine and it automatically charges the fare to a specified account. Wish we had that sort of integration.

Although;
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-23/apple-iphone-captures-72-of-japan-smartphone-market-update3-.html


http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/12/iphone-blowing-up-worldwide-big-in-japan-after-all.ars

driftke70
3rd July 2010, 12:11 PM
my friend dice had a toshiba phone that had better game graphics than a few psp games ive seen that he bought 3 years ago

trueno85
3rd July 2010, 07:11 PM
Actually there's a software update coming v soon.

All a software update is going to do is change the way the reception is represented on the screen. It's not going to do anything to help the reception issues

At least they've finally admitted there is a problem though
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/07/why-apples-iphone-4-update-wont-fix-your-reception-problem/

ke70dave
3rd July 2010, 10:25 PM
Yeah Panasonic and sony bravia and toshiba flip phones have been the staple in japanese markets for ages. They all integrate with japanese life really amazingly - they have electronic pass-tags in the phone that you can swipe on a subway boarding machine and it automatically charges the fare to a specified account. Wish we had that sort of integration.

Although;
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-23/apple-iphone-captures-72-of-japan-smartphone-market-update3-.html


http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/12/iphone-blowing-up-worldwide-big-in-japan-after-all.ars

nah the choice seems to be "docomo" phones. from what ive seen in osaka anyway.

ive not seen this integration you speak of, but it wouldnt surprise me.

letsgohunting
3rd July 2010, 10:34 PM
Look up signal tests done on the phone - it gets better signal than the 3gs and 3g. I have a 2g and have never had any signal problems relating to dropped calls etc, so I'd be inclined to believe that while signal can drop holding it certain ways, it wouldn't affect it in real life usage.

jet81j
4th July 2010, 08:36 AM
my 3g always has reception problems. last night it droped out when i walked 2m away from where i was and then i went back to the same spot it came back in lol.

the video quality looks awesome on iphone 4.

driftke70
4th July 2010, 01:24 PM
vossys iphone is basically a text only device he has so many call problems and its a 3gs

driftke70
4th July 2010, 02:32 PM
also those statistics people release about apple stuff are always bent,
like they use the term "smartphone" sales,
it might be the only phone considered a smart phone in japan,
sales of smart phones in japan might be stupidly small to begin with as their non smart phones are up to the same level.

if one in every 500 people buys an iphone in japan, thats 255408 phones
if one in 20 australians buy an iphone thats 1200000 phones

driftke70
4th July 2010, 02:45 PM
Yes, only an iphone user would use his phone with HD movie capability to make something worthwhile - how silly of them...


Perhaps this video is more to your liking? No color correction even (not that it matters)
Be sure to watch in 720p:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5JQdgvzuL0&feature=player_embedded

you conveniently forget to mention they use these
http://iphone4filming.com/storage/Owle%20Bubo.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1277372 498639

from the film maker
"I had major concerns about transferring footage from one iTunes account. I thought it may cause problems... so I didn't try it."

"No, there is no way to add a title to a photo. You can only apply a title to an entire clip and you can't split a video clip beyond chopping the end of the clip added that clip again and then chopping the beginning of the clip. They really need to add title duration or the ability to split a clip."

and before you say "it doesnt make that much of a difference, here is a comparison video of the 3gs"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwMwycqvNnY&feature=player_embedded#!

why would you spend so much money making a phone do that when you can buy an awesome camera for less?

letsgohunting
4th July 2010, 04:16 PM
All that OWLE thing does is make the phone heavier and slap a wide angle converter in front of the normal lens on the iphone. The video is still from the iphone. The fact that there are all these awesome accessories that people make for it makes it even better.

The reason why you'd spend money on making the video better is because if you're like me, you have a DSLR and a phone. Camcorders in general are pretty rubbish IMO - tiny little chip and you may as well be using a phone. DSLR are gives the best video quality under probably 50-100k pricepoint because of their giant sensor and interchangeable lenses, but are an effort to use and lug around (no AF in video, massive file sizes etc). If the video in your phone is good, it's a great compromise, and it's not a sole video device so it's not like you're paying whatever it costs just to use it for video, it's a phone. If the video is useable, all the better.

letsgohunting
4th July 2010, 04:44 PM
from the film maker
"I had major concerns about transferring footage from one iTunes account. I thought it may cause problems... so I didn't try it."

"No, there is no way to add a title to a photo. You can only apply a title to an entire clip and you can't split a video clip beyond chopping the end of the clip added that clip again and then chopping the beginning of the clip. They really need to add title duration or the ability to split a clip."


The reason he didn't take the footage from iTunes was because they used 4-5 different iphones to make the film and each was full in memory with the hd footage. Easier to just import it direct into adobe premier or whatever he was using.

When he talks about the video editing and not being able to add titles to spliced clips, he's talking about the iMovie editing software WITHIN the iphone - at present you can only add titles to a whole clip. When you import the clips into your video editor on the computer you can do whatever you want with it.

The very fact that it has a basic editing program ON the iphone is hardly something to be laughing about. haha.
--> http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/imovie.html

letsgohunting
4th July 2010, 04:51 PM
also those statistics people release about apple stuff are always bent,
like they use the term "smartphone" sales,
it might be the only phone considered a smart phone in japan,
sales of smart phones in japan might be stupidly small to begin with as their non smart phones are up to the same level.

if one in every 500 people buys an iphone in japan, thats 255408 phones
if one in 20 australians buy an iphone thats 1200000 phones

Iphone sales for the past year in japan sit at 2.3 million, and that's the 3gs not the 4. Total market share is 5% up to june 2010.

letsgohunting
4th July 2010, 05:03 PM
Really interesting article on Japanese phones and market:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/technology/20cell.html?_r=1

I would concur about japanese software not being up to par with their electronics, they heap millions of features (a good amount which are fluff) into their stuff to the point where it's just overly complex. Japanese camera companies are prime examples - ever gone through the menus of a nikon d3? Makes my head hurt just thinking about it... haha

trueno85
7th July 2010, 10:23 PM
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/07/applecare-the-iphone-4-update-wont-solve-the-antenna-problem/

letsgohunting
8th July 2010, 01:16 PM
Nokia pulling an Apple:

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/07/nokia-enlists-russian-police-to-get-prototype-smartphone-back-from-blogger/

driftke70
8th July 2010, 03:10 PM
except nokia said it went missing from the get go. Didnt pretend they didnt know for like 2 weeks. Only brought the police in after a period of time instead of being a jerk about it all. Didnt make up some story about losing it at a bar.

When will you realise its not what apple do its how they do it.

Being such a diehard fan is actually determental to the company you love.

If other phones have problems with their antenna it sucks but they didnt say their antenna was revolutionary and increases reception and was magical.

You need to stop reading 101 blogs cause you just end up picking and chosing what you want to read at that given time.

The phones not bad but its making claims that it cant hold for a price thats too high for a market thats expanding. Like they expect you to buy everything. My nokias have come with covers and stylus and cleaning clothes stereo control headphones and stuff but apple will never sell the phone with a 2cent bumper cover. They have put themself in a precarious solution where they are damned if they do and damned if they dont.

I dont care if nokias smart phone isnt as good as the htc or anything as my next phone is over a year away and im probably going to keep my n97 till it dies then get a cheap nokia for 100 bucks. Phones are for calls and messages. Cameras are for photos and film. Mp3 players are for music. All of which i have and a phone will never replace.

AJPS
8th July 2010, 05:11 PM
The last bit you said, is so true.

I spend all day on the phone, if I got a flash one with games and stuff I would spend MORE time on the phone.

I dont want that.

letsgohunting
8th July 2010, 05:57 PM
The apple situation was the same - the dude that found it called a local applecare service line and told them he found a new version of the iphone in a bar and they disregarded it, as any companies service line probably would. When they found that gizmodo put it up on the blog they wrote them a letter asking them to return it.

I'm not a diehard fan at all, apple products have been extremely good to me and I defend them based on my experience. I still want a motorola droid X and TBH I want one more than an iphone 4, but it's not coming out in GSM version for at least another 9-10 months (if it comes at all). The original droid is coming out in Aus in the next few days and that's a phone thats almost a year old in the US. The reason I care so much is because I'm upgrading my phone this month. It's a lot of money to spend.

When the canon 5d mk2 came out it had manual control HD video and heaps of photographers complained that it's a camera and therefore only needs still camera capabilities, video capabilities are a waste of time and flawed anyway etc.
Turns out the HD video in the 5d mkII (+ interchangeable lenses etc) is SO good that a couple of top US filmmakers called it the best video camera you can buy for under 100k (may have been 50k - was a few years back now, but it was a lot of money).

You guys may be happy with a $100 phone but my smartphone's made life a LOT easier for me in organization and work. Just recently I've started emailing clients on the spot invoices for jobs from my iphone. When you do 3-4 houses a day for a week it makes it way easier than doing it from home that night. That's just one example.

And yes, the iphone comes with a cloth and headphones and all the stuff you need.

driftke70
8th July 2010, 06:43 PM
still missing the point

your plan isnt two years old, why are you forced to buy a phone this month?

letsgohunting
8th July 2010, 08:08 PM
Not on a contract, my phone was bought outright. I'm on a BYO monthly plan right now, that gives me crap all internet useage and if I upgraded the plan for more internet useage I'd be paying nearly the same amount as I would if I just got a new smartphone on the plan, and I'd get more data and more calls every month.

Also really want 3g internet rather than relying on 2g which is slooooww.

letsgohunting
8th July 2010, 08:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1uaYxP_fQ&feature=related

Wish that was out in Aus. It's got a massive screen but is still pretty slim. I might still consider the original droid, it's about the thickness of an iphone 3gs but has a keyboard. Comes out this month.

driftke70
8th July 2010, 11:40 PM
looks like a phone thats actually easy to use and not pseudo easy to use.

Why is the thickness important?

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 12:34 AM
Well android probably isn't as easy to use as iphone OS, but I guess they both have their advantages and disadvantages. I certainly wouldn't call the iphone pseudo easy to use.

I don't mind phones being physically big in terms of screen dimensions, but I hate having thick things that are bulky in my pockets. Reason why I bought a card wallet and chucked away my normal wallet haha. The thinner the better.

driftke70
9th July 2010, 01:01 AM
the iphone seems easier to use, like the multi tasking just stacks the most recently used apps into a tab that you cant modify or remove items from unless you reboot your phone, after you have more than like 5 which is the screen width it doesnt stack it scrolls to the right, so you end up having to scroll and look through your task bar which you may as well just reopen the application from its home at least then you know where its going to be.

its buttons are in places that you have to be holding the phone a very certain way to use, the slide to unlock thing is silly and is just another "heres another touch thing to do", the charger is unique, my phones charger is mini usb, is the same as my camera, my gfs phone even though its a samsung, my dads creative chargers around the house, just the usb to mini usb transfer cable for file transfer even charges it. even my nintendo ds charger works. I can be at home in almost any room of my house, at my brothers house, niccis house, polvin or what ever and charge my phone without even really thinking about it.

phone even came with an adapter so any nokia charger previously made will work with the phone.

iphones sharp edge makes it want to change angle in your hand when you squeeze to hold it.

things like squeezing and expanding images with two fingers makes it a two hand operation which gets in the way if you are showing somebody something or even your on view of what you are doing to the image.

it all adds up for me to a phone i just find extremely illogically designed, pure form over function.




you can say simpler is always better but if i manage to deal with more complicated things and make use of them then why would i want something simpler.

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 02:17 AM
You actually can modify the apps in the multitasking tab - you can remove them by holding your finger on them and then hitting the little X that appears on them, AFAIK you can sort them by holding and then sorting, normally it stacks them according to last used. Scrolling to go between more than 4-5 apps is the same as android.

Who cares if you need to use 2 hands, it's a miniature computer, not a candy bar. I can do most stuff with it one handed anyway.

Everything else you've said sounds like it's just unfamiliar to you rather than not liking it.
If you read any review dating back to the original ones introduction you'll probably find that you're in the minority as far as opinions on the user interface go. I'd go as far as saying that if you spent a week or 2 with an iphone you'd change your mind, notably on the interface of it. It really is quite a brilliant UI.

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 02:18 AM
In fact I'd even put my phone where my mouth is and give you my 2g iphone to try for a while when I get my new one.

driftke70
9th July 2010, 02:55 AM
if i wanted it id already have it, my nokia doesnt have mechanical zoom its a one finger scale bar to drag thats infinately variable. Other phones are coming out with multi touch but it just doesnt do anything for me, some games might benifit but if you sit there and play games on a screen that small in any situation other than waiting longer than 15 minutes your a fool.

you bought the mouse cause its called a magic mouse. using two fingers on the front of a mouse is stupid, lifting your hand off the mouse to scroll doesnt make any sense, scroll wheels exist for a reason.

like the ipad, its more effort to keep lifting your arm all the time to tap things than it is to just have a keyboard and trackpad.

90% of blogs always babble on about apple shit cause they get sent shit from apple all the time and get invited to releases and get emailed information and stuff, its not whats right but its what happens. marketing sucks as bad as all the people who think they are designers and marketers and stuff cause they buy a mac and change their lifestyle a bit. All the serious design places that design cars and engines and machinery all use anything but a mac, but the dudes who get a picture change the hue, maybe get a video and do so slow panning shots with their camera get a mac. What you see more of doesn't mean somethings better. If something sells more it doesn't mean its better, you don't drive a commodore, you don't look at the sales of cars in america and base your purchase on that.

like jobs is the ceo of pixar as well as apple
pixar annimation dont use apple stuff
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-983898.html
http://www.pixar.com/howwedoit/index.html

Apple stuff costs more, you say its better quality, it has faults, you compare it to phones that cost less than half as much that half problems that are half as bad.
Nokia releases almost a phone a month and apple releases a phone every 2 years (coincidence?), the main stay of their consumer base are buying the products without even looking at it.
There were hundreds of blogs talking about a product that hadnt even been released yet, not because thats whats right, its what makes people read their blogs, its what people with apple products do all day. Its why the ipads on the news, its why people with iphones dont feel awkward like other people do when they show their phone to every second person.

shit like this
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/06/22/jimmy-kimmel-films-entire-show-with-macbook-camera?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_tuaw

"lost power" sure is alot of lights in the room

i just hate absolutely everything about apple except the product
i dont hate the products i just think there is more viable options

americans are so brutally materialistic like alot of people in australia are becoming that they dont give two hoots what they are buying as long as their credit card goes through and they get to show their friends that afternoon they are happy.

like i remember you would go on about where stuff was made and always rant on china, then when you fell in love with apple china was cool and your happy to buy stuff from there now.

when i bought my n97 i made a shortlist of the phones i was interested in and researched them, went and tested them in person and a few weeks later bought what i wanted. the iphone was on that list, i went into the apple store and got the absolute willies, i felt like i was surrounded by everything i hated in one store, the people, that attitude, the staffs arrogance and planned scripts.

like even reading through your post above you use terms like volume rocker and stuff, thats not geeky or nerdy or anything its just brainwash. Apple feeds people little names for everything so they feel cool for knowing it. Its not better or worse but it sure as hell is annoying. Windows calls it a taskbar or task menu or start menu, apple will call it dashboard and make it do some flashy thing when you mouse over to make you go oooooh wow. Like their website has almost every second word in inverted commas.

Like cars are one of the most marketed things there are, but what do you get, a brand name, model name, engine name and size, maybe one other little thing like bmws idrive (which i lament) you buy like apples most basic 300 dollar product and it has like 500 catch phrases to go along with it. Steve jobs might have done well for the company as a ceo, but he just used all the marketing tactics other people got over and gave them a fresh image. Go to the apple store and see the people at the help bar, dont need an iappointment, put your fixy in the rack and hang your scarf and image up over here on the rack.

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 03:29 AM
volume rocker is a word that apple has fed into my head? wow.

The reason it's called a volume rocker is because it's one long single plastic pusher button, with a bridge in the middle, and underneath it are two contacts on either side. So you essentially 'rock' the switch like a see-saw to the side you want to hit. It's not an apple term, it's been around for a long time, and it's what the physical button is known as. In 2 seconds of google search I found a similar part labeled as a volume rocker switch in a nokia product manual:
http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_Kaleidoscope_I_UG_en.pdf

As for everything else, whatevs man... you win, please present your penis so I may suck it to attain some of the god-like attributes and knowledge you posses.

driftke70
9th July 2010, 03:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1uaYxP_fQ&feature=related

Wish that was out in Aus. It's got a massive screen but is still pretty slim. I might still consider the original droid, it's about the thickness of an iphone 3gs but has a keyboard. Comes out this month.

30 secs in

like a sponge

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 03:54 AM
btw Pixar may not use apple computers for their rendering, but for editing and office/administration they do.
http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/pixar_studios_3.jpg
http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Daily/2010/05-May/08/Behind%20the%20scenes%20Pixar/lobbydesk--article_image.jpg
If you look at slide number 5 on the site that you linked (http://www.pixar.com/howwedoit/index.html) you'll see the computer on the left is actually a mac pro running through a normal CRT monitor (icons on the right side of desktop).

The computer hardware - nVidia TESLA and QuatroFX - that they use for the 3d rendering isn't made for macs. The rendering racks they use are like hundreds of processors sitting in rows and rows of racks. Keeping in mind that the setup costs well over a couple of million dollars US, so it's hardly comparable to desktop computers anyway.
Apparently lucasfilm uses apples too.

Oh and guys like this one - one of the biggest commercial photographers in the states - apparently all they do is fiddle with hue and saturation sliders on their macs - not specialized at all! a child could do it!! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-6EQo6it7Y&feature=player_embedded

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 03:57 AM
30 secs in

like a sponge


rocker switch is the name for the switch, it's not something apple invented. rocker switches have been around for a long time. The nokia product manual I linked to in a previous post had a rocker switch reference in it, and that was from 2004.

So what exactly are you trying to say?

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 04:03 AM
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10465202-37.html

"Apple may not take the stage at Sunday's Oscars, but the company will be well represented by many filmmakers, directors, producers, and editors who will pick up awards.
In fact, 9 out of 10 of this year's nominees in the "Documentary Feature" and "Documentary Short" categories used Final Cut Studio to make their films. "



LOL

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 04:14 AM
you bought the mouse cause its called a magic mouse. using two fingers on the front of a mouse is stupid, lifting your hand off the mouse to scroll doesnt make any sense, scroll wheels exist for a reason.

All the serious design places that design cars and engines and machinery all use anything but a mac, but the dudes who get a picture change the hue, maybe get a video and do so slow panning shots with their camera get a mac. What you see more of doesn't mean somethings better. If something sells more it doesn't mean its better, you don't drive a commodore, you don't look at the sales of cars in america and base your purchase on that.


The whole mouse is a multitouch block, from front to back. I can right, left, middle click/spread out all windows in a birds eye view style screen on computer (three finger click)/minimise all open windows to revert back to desktop (four finger click)/ go back and forwards on webpage (2 finger swipe anywhere on the mouse) and bring up dashboard client (calculator/widgets etc) by clicking a designated spot on the mouse (I picked apple logo at the back). All but the last action I can and do (every minute) without taking my hand off the mouse. Even the scroll has kinetic style scrolling like a BB mousewheel where the velocity of the scrolling action is carried through on the webpage as momentum. So really it's actually more customizable and has more functions than a normal scrollmouse. Of course you didn't know that, because you've never actually used one. Much happier to sit and make assumptions off nothing right?


Designing cars and engines is engineering, not design. Engineering uses CAD programs, of which the big one autocad has only very recently been made for OSX. In fact in the last few weeks if I remember correctly.

PS wtf am I doing it's 3am and I got work tomorrow, i'm going to bed.

driftke70
9th July 2010, 04:39 AM
The whole mouse is a multitouch block, from front to back. I can right, left, middle click/spread out all windows in a birds eye view style screen on computer
how is that easier than clicking a tab on a task bar and going to the program you want, so you want to see a box of everything you have open, then scan to see the program you want then click on it, so 3 fingers, then look, then click, over look and click.
(three finger click)/minimise all open windows to revert back to desktop
bottom right corner of windows 7 you click and same happens, windows 7 if you shake the top of a open window it closes everything except the one you shook. again, not easier or better, just different and another anoying thing to remember.
(four finger click)/ go back and forwards on webpage
both my mice have forward and back butons, if i hold control and scroll i can scroll between pages, if i click on a tab i can scroll between tabs. again, 4 finger click isnt really easy, just another annoying gesture to remember and quite a clumsy thing to do on a mouse.
(2 finger swipe anywhere on the mouse) and bring up dashboard client (calculator/widgets etc) by clicking a designated spot on the mouse
always open on windows 7 and revealed when you minimize all
(I picked apple logo at the back). All but the last action I can and do (every minute) without taking my hand off the mouse. Even the scroll has kinetic style scrolling like a BB mousewheel where the velocity of the scrolling action is carried through on the webpage as momentum.
just like you have been able to do with any scroll wheel since vista or on xp with a program installed, you can scroll smoothly or flick and catch again, which is actually really annoying, on both magic mouse and 7 and I have used both.
So really it's actually more customizable and has more functions than a normal scrollmouse. Of course you didn't know that, because you've never actually used one. Much happier to sit and make assumptions off nothing right?
not really more customizable, as it only counts numbers of fingers and a swipe, a normal three button mouse has three buttons, a button when you push the scroll button, and combinations of all. so say 1st and 3rd button, or 2nd and 3rd, or 1st and second, never minding the fact that both my mice, including my 20 dollar bluetooth microsoft mouse have another two buttons for browsing. which can also be changed for other functions and combined with the other buttons.
I have used the magic mouse more than you have used windows 7. Its low, hurts your wrist and is a gimmik, takes a while to get used to, and when you are used to it isnt quicker or any easier. when nicci was working at her design studio after around 2 weeks they were using the old mice again. But you know better than 10 people working full time jobs at their computer doing actual design stuff.


Designing cars and engines is engineering, not design. Engineering uses CAD programs, of which the big one autocad has only very recently been made for OSX. In fact in the last few weeks if I remember correctly.

they use other computers to design stickers and graphics, farings, sketches of bikes etc. and cad, these are multi million dollar enterprises employing people who earn over 300k a year and they chose what they use. Your pretty much saying some douche bag with a cannon eos changing some stuff and putting it on his hipster blog is more design than designing a car.

why arnt pixar using osx on their stacks, cause its not making jobs any money.

PS wtf am I doing it's 3am and I got work tomorrow, i'm going to bed.

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driftke70
9th July 2010, 04:49 AM
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10465202-37.html

"Apple may not take the stage at Sunday's Oscars, but the company will be well represented by many filmmakers, directors, producers, and editors who will pick up awards.
In fact, 9 out of 10 of this year's nominees in the "Documentary Feature" and "Documentary Short" categories used Final Cut Studio to make their films. "



LOL
what the hell are you even emplying, are you not even remotely aware that cnet is a apple marketing point, the thing you posted is even from the apple section.
go into their microsoft section and all they have is the bad news from microsoft. Nothing of the suicides at the foxcon factories in china and stuff in the apple section.
you can even research when apple became involved as they were sick of cnet badmouthing apples stuff.

as i said earlier, stop picking and choosing things that are not only very vague to the arguement, but heavily apple biased.

i dont quote bill gates for opinions on microsoft, i dont go to www.micrsoftlovers.com and quote from there, but thats essentially what you do whether you notice it or not.

driftke70
9th July 2010, 04:52 AM
rocker switch is the name for the switch, it's not something apple invented. rocker switches have been around for a long time. The nokia product manual I linked to in a previous post had a rocker switch reference in it, and that was from 2004.

So what exactly are you trying to say?

i never said that apple invented it, i said they have trained you to pick up on little things like that, you would have called it the volume buttons 10 minutes before you watched that video, but your brain has been trained to cling onto little words for things.

im well aware of many types of switches, im also well aware that the iphone 4 doesnt even have a rocker switch. reports also that if you put a case on the phone you basically cant push them unless you force them.

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 01:14 PM
If you use the word hipster one more time I'm going to put apple stickers all over your car and spray them with clear coat spraycans so you can't peel them off. What does the word hipster even mean? How is it relevant to anything? And what's with the fixation with fixies and scarfs? How is chase jarvis a hipster anyway? Because he uses apple computers? And he doesn't use Canon Eos stuff, he uses Nikon stuff. I'd bet he earns over 300k a year too. He's hardly some douchebag who changes stuff on his computer, but then it's easy for you to sit and rip on anything that you don't like or agree with, because you're a common hater. I never said that automotive engineers were better or worse than a photographer, but the photographer is more relatable to me, and his equipment is more relatable - of course I would pay more attention to what the photographer uses - I don't design cars or use CAD software.. Do you? No? Didn't think so.
When you have a studio setup that looks like Chase Jarvis's (http://www.chasejarvis.com/#mi=1&pt=0&pi=7&p=-1&a=0&at=0) or have the same amount of success in your chosen industry, then you have a valid opinion, until then, you're just another internet warrior with nothing to give.

You can't accept that some people actually like the magic mouse, instead you just assume that if someone likes it they've been brainwashed or they're stupid. LEARN TO ACCEPT THAT PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS THAN YOU DO. I have had heaps of mice, cheap microsoft ones, apple wireless and wired ones, and recently I spent $180 on a logitech mx revolution (one of the best wireless mouses they make), which isn't even a true wireless mouse (requires usb receiver in computer) and on which one of the main buttons has stopped working properly. I prefer my magic mouse anyday. I found it strange at first being so low, but after a few days I much preferred the feel of it and the way multitouch worked. I don't get wrist cramps, and I use it for long periods of time, and yes, I do real work for real clients for real money with it. If the logitech was better, I'd use it - I have nothing to lose in using either, I own both. Of course your mind is so closed you won't be able to accept that, I'm sure you'll rationalize it somehow with one of your conspiracy theories about apple brainwashing etc.

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 01:32 PM
what the hell are you even emplying, are you not even remotely aware that cnet is a apple marketing point, the thing you posted is even from the apple section.
go into their microsoft section and all they have is the bad news from microsoft. Nothing of the suicides at the foxcon factories in china and stuff in the apple section.
you can even research when apple became involved as they were sick of cnet badmouthing apples stuff.

as i said earlier, stop picking and choosing things that are not only very vague to the arguement, but heavily apple biased.

i dont quote bill gates for opinions on microsoft, i dont go to www.micrsoftlovers.com and quote from there, but thats essentially what you do whether you notice it or not.


I want a source and proof that CNET is apple based marketing. If you can't prove this you're talking shit. Foxxconn doesn't only make products for apple so if you're going to blame apple for the foxconn problems you also have to blame the other companies that contract them to build their stuff - from their wiki:

'Among other things, Foxconn produces the Mac mini, the iPod, the iPad, and the iPhone for Apple Inc.; Intel-branded motherboards for Intel Corp.; various orders for American computer manufacturers Dell and Hewlett-Packard; the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 for Sony; the Wii for Nintendo; the Xbox 360 for Microsoft; cellular phones for Motorola and Nokia; the Amazon Kindle; and Cisco equipment"

[QUOTE=driftke70;281184]go into their microsoft section and all they have is the bad news from microsoft. Nothing of the suicides at the foxcon factories in china and stuff in the apple section. [QUOTE]

Nothing about the foxconn suicides on cnet ay?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20006010-260.html
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20006316-260.html
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20006559-37.html
http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/sinobytes/post.htm?id=63018880

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 01:39 PM
i never said that apple invented it, i said they have trained you to pick up on little things like that, you would have called it the volume buttons 10 minutes before you watched that video, but your brain has been trained to cling onto little words for things.

im well aware of many types of switches, im also well aware that the iphone 4 doesnt even have a rocker switch. reports also that if you put a case on the phone you basically cant push them unless you force them.


http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3gs/specs.html

You might want to let me know where exactly apple have sneakily trained the term "rocker switch" into my brain? They don't even label it as a rocker switch on their website, they just call them volume buttons.

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 02:00 PM
like i remember you would go on about where stuff was made and always rant on china, then when you fell in love with apple china was cool and your happy to buy stuff from there now.


I still don't like it when stuff is made in china. Includingg apple stuff, although QC from the company is the biggest thing. You don't have a choice with electronics anyway - it's nearly all made in China.



when i bought my n97 i made a shortlist of the phones i was interested in and researched them, went and tested them in person and a few weeks later bought what i wanted. the iphone was on that list, i went into the apple store and got the absolute willies, i felt like i was surrounded by everything i hated in one store, the people, that attitude, the staffs arrogance and planned scripts.


What apple store did you go into? I call bullshit on that, first one opened in Gold Coast 2 months ago.



like even reading through your post above you use terms like volume rocker and stuff, thats not geeky or nerdy or anything its just brainwash. Apple feeds people little names for everything so they feel cool for knowing it. Its not better or worse but it sure as hell is annoying. Windows calls it a taskbar or task menu or start menu, apple will call it dashboard and make it do some flashy thing when you mouse over to make you go oooooh wow. Like their website has almost every second word in inverted commas.


You're talking shit here too. I used the term volume rocker because that's what it is it's physically a rocker button used to change the volume. Are you mentally ill? The taskbar on osx is called a dock. It's called that because it docks to the side or the bottom of the screen. Dashboard is an overlay of widgets that you can get to pop up. Windows has widgets too, but they're called gadgets. Android phones like HTC and motorola and sony ericsonn also use widgets, in the same way osx does. They're even called widgets too.

Are you forgetting windows terms like "aero glass, aero peek, aero shake pin, aero snap" for windows 7 features? Or are you just selectively forgetting them. How about motoblur, omnistore, android market etc? Other companies use marketing terms for features just as much as apple do, you're just selective in what you think.

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 02:15 PM
Found some nice pictures for you viewing pleasure Beall

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3514/3834570718_080e15fbea_o.jpg

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driftke70
9th July 2010, 02:49 PM
hipster 39 up, 118 down

buy hipster mugs, tshirts and magnets
The current “hipster” probably has nothing to do with the older iteration of “hipster”; it’s just another part of the “retro” trend that they’ve borrowed the old name. Or maybe it was applied to them, by people who remember the negative connotations of the old name; I’m not sure where it came from.

In actuality I think this one is just the revision of the yuppie (young urban professional) of my generation (Gen X), except that a lot of hipsters don’t work in traditional professional jobs because they’re fashionably anti-capitalist. If they work, they’re freelancers. Many are wealthy enough to avoid working anyway — solidly middle/upper-class background with generous parents; a lot of accumulated generational wealth (I knew one who’d had a condo deeded to her as a college graduation gift); a trust fund; whatever, though it’s unfashionable to talk about their wealth so they often plead poverty and move into the poorest neighborhoods to be cool (which usually triggers a wave of gentrification in their wake). Also includes, in New York at least, a lot of trust fund kids from overseas, due to the strength of the Euro, and many of them have been stepping in the deepest piles of racism because they don’t really get the nuances here. (Doesn’t stop them from trying, though.)


http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Hipster

http://www.wikihow.com/images/6/6b/Hiphip131mymy-custom_876.jpeg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l2e3bbXD4e1qzzhzdo1_500.jpg

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0kp8eODtN1qzzhzdo1_r1_500.jpg

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktzqmwoXR61qzzhzdo1_500.jpg

driftke70
9th July 2010, 02:55 PM
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kqqzubEe9U1qzzhzdo1_500.jpg
http://28.media.tumblr.com/37jsqloFrq54yvoyJ6boxYtNo1_500.jpg

driftke70
9th July 2010, 03:09 PM
http://seattlest.com/attachments/seattle_michael2/fixies.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1K3M3geksXQ/Sie-i6hlceI/AAAAAAAAAK8/llxk9DkNe3o/s1600/george-w-bush-with-a-fixed-gear-bike.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3486/4055947217_79f62c301a.jpg
http://blog.lecoqsportif.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/grotesk-wannabe-messenger-artwork-2.jpg

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 03:13 PM
Standard cut jeans, unkept hair, 5 dollar flannel shirts, vans style skate shoes and shin height socks/trucker hats, generally is a skater/bmx guy and listens to fast and musically basic punk/metal/rock, limited to 4/4 time signature (abiliity to process slower and/or more complex music very limited) such as nofx and propagandhi and thinks he/she is the real deal grassroots resistance. Seemingly unable to accept social changes and new thought. Stuck in the 90s. Afraid that wearing a scarf or using hair product may hint at their inner 'uncertainties'


See? I can categorize people too!

AJPS
9th July 2010, 05:02 PM
everything beally posted melbourne big time

and everything gav posted is adl bmx scene

haha

driftke70
9th July 2010, 05:36 PM
where you moving to again gav

letsgohunting
9th July 2010, 05:41 PM
To the hipster crackheads!

edit: cos it all happens on the sunshine coast :DD

GAKI86
30th July 2010, 07:47 PM
so like this hipster stuff is all about raising a bar in everything faggotry...

Victim
3rd August 2010, 06:36 PM
get a fixie upya.
who needs brakes anyway.

PS: the iPhone 4's antenna: It's not bad design, you're just using it wrong. Thx Apple.
(I do enjoy my 3GS though)

blair
3rd August 2010, 07:03 PM
I just turned to the dark side.


Ordered iPhone 4. Two week wait DOH, Free phone WIN tho! :P

Was tossing between this and galaxy S ->iphone is smaller, thinner, has more pixels, Both 1Ghz... we have a weenerrrr

ke70dave
3rd August 2010, 08:12 PM
sorry blair but i can no longer sell those springs to someone with a BLOODY IPODPHONE!!!

floody
27th October 2010, 05:05 PM
Hey Apple...be nice if you could include an alarm app with the iPhone 4 which is actually DST corrected....clock corrects time display, alarm still goes off an hour early, fail. No patch, "maybe in the next OS update".

blair
27th October 2010, 06:45 PM
Just don't live somewhere where stupid daylight savings exists. done!