Targa WrestPoint (TAS) with pics

[Jonny Rochester]

Tasmania maybe spoilt with tarmac rallys right now. The latest is "Targa Wrest Point" which is a mini version of Targa Tasmania. It is shorter (cheaper), only going for a weekend, and uses the country roads between towns south of Hobart.

http://www.sportcom.com.au/wrestpoint/
Day 1 just finished. More action tomorrow.

As a new event, not many residents and enthusiests knew about it. But regular tarmac rally guys were very keen to enter. Some amature pics from myself. http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd310/JonnyRochester/Targa%20Wrestpoint%2009/
Do you like these cars?:

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Evo X

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Tasmanian and ace welder Jason White.

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R35 GT-R x2

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Local Adrian Moresby in the Gemini.

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OMG that is Jim Richards. Seconds later his electric window goes up signaling that he is in the office and about to do some work.

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One of only 2 Toyotas. A TA22 Celica "GT".

[Jonny Rochester]

So yeah, some motivation to get my Levin back together. This would be one of the main events I would aim for, if I had a job! It sets the standard for the quality of vehicle I want to prepare (as in presentation). Too hard to match the speed.

[Moebius]

Love the rising sun on that celica.

IMO Jason White has more money than skill.

[Jonny Rochester]

Well, if you knew Jason at all you would see it very differently. He does not make a lot of money from what I know (talked to him and been to his workshop), and is hired as a driver for his skills. Has been a go-kart champion etc, won Targa outright before etc. The money comes from John White, in the navigators seat.

[ae71]

Well, if you knew Jason at all you would see it very differently. He does not make a lot of money from what I know (talked to him and been to his workshop), and is hired as a driver for his skills. Has been a go-kart champion etc, won Targa outright before etc. The money comes from John White, in the navigators seat.

John white is a complete poncey dick bag

[worked]

you'll get cained for saying that. prob one of those 'coulda kept it to yourself' comments

spotto daim shelton bein a faster than jason white in a kart
not jawing at white, he's a good steerer, just amazed daim can pass out in a gutter for a few hours when walking home from town, sleep in the shower for a few more hours, then get dressed, go to archerville and smash it.

[Course_Out]

That Celica is owned by a work mates dad, runs a heavily worked 2tg on twin carbs, very nicely presented car

In regards to the event itself it looks like a good one, you wouldn't happen to know what class structure they run under (i.e. is it the regular CAMS classes or do they have their own set up) as I've been told my car wouldn't be eligible for Targa Tasmania due to running a non original engine. If these guys are a bit more lenient I would very much like to have a go next year

[Jonny Rochester]

I am looking into the classes now, just out of interest, in case I was to enter at some stage.

I am fairly sure all the classes and regulations are identical to Targa Tasmania. But the event itself is a bit more relaxed (and less media hype) than Targa Tasmania.

[Jonny Rochester]

All the info for classes is on the websites for Targa Wrest Point and Targa Tasmania, but it is a lot of reading and hard to wade through.

From what I read so far, if someone was to enter a AE86, it would have to have a 16v 4A-GE. But it could have quad throttle EFI if you wanted. And you can overbore about 1mm or 10%. Pistons, cams and computer are all free. Brakes are free.

But don't take my word for it. These documents can be tricky to read.

[Course_Out]

Ha ha, yeah I know, I've been looking into how far I can go and stay in 3J, need to be spot on! The rules are written by lawyers I swear...

By the sounds of that it needs to be an engine that was available in that shell somewhere, so an xe7x like mine would be limited to k motors, 2tg/3tc or 4ac (ew)

[Jonny Rochester]

And also your car, whatever it is, has to be the GT spec or sports model or they won't even be interested. It does not have to be a genuine GT (the Celica pictured isn't) but it should be of that spec. For your xE7x car, the best factory GT model for that shape is the TE71 Corolla GT sedan, with 2T-GEU. Put a 2T-GE in, get a GT badge off ebay (any), make it neat and you could probably enter. Just photocopy a TE71 sales brochure for proof.

[skaney]

jim richards is going for the mad drifter look with mis-matched rims

[Sturgey]

was talking to that owner of the gt at a targa tas event last year
has a 2tg im pretty sure

[focus_7]

Johnny, you said there were two toyotas competing, that celica was one.

Whats the other one?

[Jonny Rochester]

I was talking to the owner of the Celica TA22 pictured here, yesterday. It is not a genuine GT. It has a 2T-G motor, 1600cc, fairly standard by the look of it. Genie extractors. Electric fan. Oil cooler. Twin Webers. Commodore brakes. Standard T series diff with a 4.7:1 ratio. Aftermarket rear sway bar. All the normal stuff. But it would have been one of the cheapest cars in the field (that's not a bad thing).

[Jonny Rochester]

The other Toyota was a SW20 MR-2.

[Course_Out]

I know the guy that built the motor in the Celica - I don't have the exact details but do know it has a fair whack of compression and some aftermarket cams

I don't know if I'd bother converting my ae71 to compete then Johnny, as I would need to convert back to flat front, take out the 4age and install a 2tg, plus buy a Jap GT grill, quad lights, etc etc. I am assuming e safety regs are as per usual Targa (FIA rated seats, full cage, fire equipment and full suits, etc)?

[Jonny Rochester]

Yes, the whole bit. We live in the future, and it's a 1st world country. FIA and CAMS rated everything. Even balaclavas are required of everyone.

[Course_Out]

I assumed as much - I just wish they had like an IPRA/3J class, would make life much easier for people who already have a car

And by "people who already have a car" I mean me, lol

[dustyae86]

can you change your picture so every time I open a thread by you I don't see your ugly mug? :)

[Rip it]

Love the rising sun on that celica.

IMO Jason White has more money than skill.

Like Johny said, if you knew him and the situation you wouldn't comment on anything. I was lucky enough to work with him for 2 years.

Also you will never ever go close to doing what he has done on 4 wheels. PERIOD

[Rip it]

John white is a complete poncey dick bag

Well, Jonh doesn't tolarate dick heads. That's why you must think that. Remember, everyone knows someone, so why don't we keep the comments to ourselves.

[ae71]

Well, Jonh doesn't tolarate dick heads. That's why you must think that. Remember, everyone knows someone, so why don't we keep the comments to ourselves.

he thinks he is above everyone, probaly because of his wealth. he has a very arrogant mannerism.

im not really worried if you think different mate just saying i don't like him and would avoid future dealings with him.

EDIT: i apologise if i have offend you.

[Jonny Rochester]

can you change your picture so every time I open a thread by you I don't see your ugly mug? :)

Done.

[Moebius]

Like Johny said, if you knew him and the situation you wouldn't comment on anything. I was lucky enough to work with him for 2 years.

Also you will never ever go close to doing what he has done on 4 wheels. PERIOD

I don't have to know someone to comment on their skill levels, it's just my opinion. It's pretty clear I'll never be in his league, I'm not saying I'm better than him or anything. It's just a sad fact of Australian rallying, be it tarmac or gravel, that it doesn't really require skill to get to the top, just a large budget.

[klusio]

Love the rising sun on that celica.

IMO Jason White has more money than skill.

IMO you know nothing at all.

[Medwin_3sGTE_AE86]

he thinks he is above everyone, probaly because of his wealth. he has a very arrogant mannerism.


And you'd know well, wouldnt you Aaron? From the whole week you spent at White Hot, what'd you see him once and think you're in a position to comment? Heck, it would've been during the week, and im sure John is like every other successful business person around the place - during working hours, the game face is on. He has built his life (and his wealth) from the ground up, and deserves the spoils that come because of his hard work. There'll always be the jealous ones (such as yourself) amoungst us that find a way to justify the need to criticise, hence why those who criticise will always work for those they're critical of. And in my limited meetings/associations with him (for the record, the whites are from burnie area and are family friends) he is far from the thinking he is above everyone you're trying to imply. Meh, he probably was arrogant towards you - through being pissed off that there was a ranga in his workshop for a week :DD Jokes, jokes.....


I don't have to know someone to comment on their skill levels, it's just my opinion. It's pretty clear I'll never be in his league, I'm not saying I'm better than him or anything. It's just a sad fact of Australian rallying, be it tarmac or gravel, that it doesn't really require skill to get to the top, just a large budget.


IMO you know nothing at all.

Im with Keiren on this one. Yes, there will always be those involved in motorsports (or any sport for that matter) that have very limited skill but find a way to make their backing (be it financial, 'who you know' or threats :soldier: ) make up for what they're missing. Jason White is NOT one of these. He made his mark amoungst motor racing cirles well before his uncle was in a position to offer him backing. Those worthy of knowing the rest of the story would know it, but we'll just leave it at Keiren's comment in that regard.

[Sturgey]

still remember at a cethana stage one year at ther hairpin corner their r34 came flying down the road he whipped it out into the gravel so it started slidding and slide it perfectly around the corner.
every1 there was gobsmacked.

[ae71]

lawl yes that experience jesse, didnt seem to be in a business mode as he went down to his toy store. im not jealous of him. yes he obviously worked for his bank balance, from what i know he has been successful and unsuccessful during is business carrer.

he appeared quite arrogant from the times i saw or spoke to him. guess i was also a bit annoyed at the total disrespect for his personal thrash bus which i was asked to detail. being an enthusiast it was just disgusting.

also i wouldn't say that jason white has no skill. yes you need financial backing to get into top motorsport obviously but the guys with no skill dont win targa, they are placed back in 75th spot in the several hundred dollar bus that should be very competitive.... not to mention other events jason has won/placed well in. he just a lucky guy at the right time guess to get to pilot such machines.

[Moebius]

I didn't say he had no skill, just more money than skill, but my intention wasn't to cast dispersions on his character so I apologise if I've offended anyone and I'll just shut up.

[Jonny Rochester]

So...... who is entering next year? I know some people on this forum could afford it, if they were carefull and didn't waste money on JDM stickers. The rules are actualy there to help you in some cases. The money saved on not going 3S-GTE can be spent on a helmet and fuel. I know I would rather spend the time driving.

[chris1818]

Going back to engine mods for the rally cars, in the Classic Adelaide my understanding was that the bottom end wasnt allowed any modification (namely boring to bigger CC) but you were allowed to work the tits off the head if you wanted to? Do you reckon this would be the same for Targa Tas?

[Medwin_3sGTE_AE86]

I'd love to be able to enter, but the sup regs have already ruled that out.... Unless I can find another car in the next 12 months and enter that..... :P

[Jonny Rochester]

I almost have a legit car. Just looking for a cashed up navigator! But there are a few club events you have to do and other hoops to jump through to get your full Cams licence and everything. (Including a medical I think).

I think sometimes there is the option to up your capasity, which then just puts you in a different class. Some old cars have almost no limit on capasity. For the 1980's section I was reading, you could bore the block maybe 1mm, or go over 10% in capasity for the purpose of cleaning up the bore. The head and block had to be the same items, but different pistons and porting was allowed.

I should get Octagon to send everything to me so I can sit down and wade through it all.

[Medwin_3sGTE_AE86]

Hhhmmm....

Its a strange one. I for one would love to be able to compete in rally tas, targa wrest point etc, but due to my mods im deemed not applicable.

Its not as if i'd be wanting to enter in the classic class against fairly basic setups, but the fact that the provision isnt even written into the regs to allow me to enter say in the modern class (as the car would be comparable to a modern car) or a class deemed 'fair' by the clerk etc is just stupid. Correct me if im wrong (and there is in fact the option to enter something along the lines of waht my car is...) but from my reading through the regs its pretty much outruled.

Apparently targa west allows virtually anything - escorts with sr20s etc, redesigned suspension - to enter. Why is there not an 'improved production' type class open to anything that is excluded from the regular classes? A class where like minded car builders (such as myself) can enter and do battle with whatever the competition throws in, knowing upon entering that I could be up against the world's most developed ferrari and not being able to whinge about it because the class is there to be entered. I think it'd make for much more appeal (the event) and would make for even better racing.. Might not be close, but it'd be fun having something to aim for.

[StockAE86]

Medwin, in gravel rallies you can enter a car like yours as an ORV (other registered vehicle), not sure if you can do the same in targa, perhaps rally tas though, worth looking into