Pope's KE70 3TC(i)

[pope]

Gotta love google cache for getting old threads back.

Here is a dump of all my old posts so far.
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Hello all

I'm bored so i thought i would post up my car.

I got my new toy for $1000 square with rego until the 10th of April. She has relatively little rust and an awesomely powerful 4kc

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/6/0/1/6808.jpg

Mods so far:

Remove shit
cusco camber tops
ajaps front coilovers
ae86 calipers and disks
Whiteline swaybars front and back

Stuff coming:

Rose jointed LCA's from AJPS
RCA's
Rear 6kg springs and shocks from AJPS
Front strut brace
Noltec Panhard rod

Car looks slightly more lopsided that the above pic due to having standard spring in the rear
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Just a little update.

Still waiting om my rear setup and some nice front bits from AJPS.

Started restoring some challengers that i bought last week.

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Just a little update.

Challengers are on with some 175/65/r14's and only just clear the spring perch's on the front. Had to adjust them up a little to fit them on.
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Still an angle monster for all the wrong reasons.
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The 3tc is fucking sick. Proof is in the pudding when it comes to comparing it with the 4k.

Cut my lap times today at Baskerville from 1:16with the 4k to 1:11:7 with the 3tc.

All this with an absolutely rooted carby as i decided to have a tinker with it :P

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Thats about it from the old posts.

Currently the car has:

Engine:
3tc
2tgeu intake manifold
custom adapter
unknown brand of extractors
megajolt running on the edis system (not running atm)
Wolf 2d (needs tune)

Suspension:
Ajps coilovers front
6/8kg springs AJPS
sprinter hubs, discs and calipers on front
AJPS rca's
AE86 ps arms
Cusco camber tops
AJPS Lower control arms Rose jointed
Whiteline swaybars front and rear
Cusco Panhard rod
Cusco front stut brace

Misc
OMP FIA approved bucket seat
AE86 pedal assembly
Surge tank setup in boot
Stripped interior

Image dump ahoy

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[trikzlane]

lol love the 4age

[Hokey]

mad.

what manifold is that and when's the turbo going on?

[Jonny Rochester]

2T-GEU intake manifold.

[pope]

Thanks Jonny

Yeah it a 2tgeu manifold.

Turbo will be soonish just want to tune it as is and see what sort of time i can get at basky. Might enter round one if it's any good.

[hitoriko]

love teh stock exterior!

[japlish]

single cam 3t's also came with efi too (3teu)

[pope]

Really :S

Are they rare as cause i'll be spewin if they are common. So much work for reinventing the wheel.

[japlish]

not common in aus at least, in nz they were in the corona's but they were still hard to find!

[corey70]

hey just wandering how hard it was to put the ae86 pedal assembly in the ke, and wat was involved in doing said conversion?

cheers,
Corey

[pope]

It's not too bad.

You just have to make a hole in the firewall for the new assembly and then bolt the assembly in from memory.

To get it in you can drop the steering column and squeeze it in, but pulling off the dash would probably be easier.

There were some picture guides about on the old forum dunno if they got copied over.

Let me know if you get stuck and i can take some pics.

[corey70]

yeah my hwhole dash and steering column and everything is already out, i might be getting a ae71 one but i was just given the 86 one so was curious to see if it wasnt 2 much work gettin it in there.

cheers

[pope]

oh shit sorry didn't read that properly hey.

From what i have heard it's much easier with the ae71 stuff.

No idea about putting the 86 one in but your best bet is just to place it where it should go and see what needs changing.

[Delazy]

is this thing going to drop a skid this weekend or??

[pope]

If i could get the Wolf tuned and a pod filter on it, i would be good to go.

[pope]

Wolf semi tuned thanks to this beasty -> http://wbo2.com/2j/default.htm

Will get the tune, fine tuned :P this Saturday when me and a couple of mates hitup Baskerville. Hoping to crack my 1:09.

Pod filter was also ordered, purchased and installed. Wiring tidied up. Fuel system tidied up. And some other random shit in preparation for Saturday.

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[Water Boy]

Are you running Lamder? Also have u had it on the dyno for a powere run? Keen to know HP...

[pope]

Idle runs around 13.8

Aiming for 14ish for everywhere else.

Will dyno it when i get a chance in the next month or two, but it's a bitch cause i have to organise a trailer and tow rig.

[pope]

Basky was a blast. Car went smoothly with only a few minor hitches.

Managed to get the tuning mostly done.

Was much fun with lots of mates turning up if a few different cars.

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Also managed to pick this up today

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T28 fun

Also dug up some old vids of my first practice day

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[pope]

Pulled out the stock alternator last weekend and replaced with an 85A EA falcon unit.

Managed to get it on with only some angle grinding and a little welding. No more running an externally regulated 3tc alternator without a regulator :)

Also ordered and received a lock spacer from AJPS, now just gotta find time to put it in.

[Prewer]

Nice one, looks the goods

Exactly what shocks are you running in the rear?

[shift_rook]

that thing is sweet, sorta wishin i just kept my old t-18 how shge was and just used the 3t:(

[Cerby86]

okay i've got a couple of questions!!
How many degrees of camber is that?
How did you re-co the challengers? I've got to do mine soon!
Cheers
Mark

[pope]

Just KYB Excel-G's in the rear.

I'm loving the 3t, just so simple and strong.

Running -3 degrees atm. Could run a lot more and probably will when i start drifting it.

Used carby cleaner to remove all the paint off the challengers. Then varying grades of wet and dry to sand em back to smoothish. Then just masked em off and used engine paint for the centers.

Cheers guys.

[Cerby86]

yeah thats sounds like the way to go!
I was just asking about the camber cos I changed to xt130 LCAs with ae86 struts and thats meant to make around neg 2 degrees but i was a bit disappointed cos it doesn't look like much at all! I'll get a wheel allignment soon and find out how much camber there actually is!

[pope]

Yeah its a bit like that. Interesting to see how much you get.

[pope]

It's been a while. Bought cars, sold cars and moved out.

Photodump ahoy!!

New Garage :) No more working in the dirt for me!

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Pulled the 3tc out and stripped it down

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Modified a manifold and bolted the T28 down

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Stripped the engine bay in preparation for respraying and seam welding

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And some new bitties for the 3tc

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[Delazy]

farkn oath, ur keen...:D built 3tc ftw

[ae71]

make sure you get that all properly balanced, apparently eagle rods/cranks come very unbalanced..

also i wonder if it would be worth while getting a 3tg fully counterweighted crank??

[Prewer]

Nice fucking work!

When you hit the track again, what are you hoping for this time round?

[pope]

Thanks guys.

I'm leaving the decisions on balancing and things up to the boys at Tas Engine reconditioning.

Would love to make 1Kw per 10cc so roughly 180Kw in total but i may be waaaay off who knows. Ideally if it's just responsive I will be happy.

Any suggestions on tuners once it's built? Went and saw the guys at autocraft and they seem to know what's what.

[pope]

Eagle rods all read exactly the same down to the gram on my kitchen scales. Being pessimistic that gives an accuracy of +- 1g. Not bad I think. The pistons themselves range from 342.2g to 344.0g. I assume they may get a sliver taken off to balance them up, but realistically I wouldn't think a few grams here or there is going to cripple the engine.

[chvzding]

Nice build! I will have to come check this one out personally I think! I love 3t-cs....

If you ever need some spanners turned give me a yell!

[pope]

Engine "should" be back this week.

In the meantime...
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[Zach]

Sounds like its going to be hot!

[pope]

Sounds like its going to be hot!
Cool hopefully :P

[Zach]

Inter cool!

[joeschmo_57]

did someone say fucking rad?

well they should have.

never seen a yellow ke look good unitl now.

joe

[pope]

did someone say fucking rad?

well they should have.

never seen a yellow ke look good unitl now.

joe

Thanks man.

Should look more race'ish soon He he he...

New on the engine is that the bottom end and head has been done but hasn't been balanced yet. 2 more weeks :crying:

[joeschmo_57]

yeah
mechanics do liek to take there time hahaha.
it will be killer once done.
what is the general consensus of the power figures?
faster than a 4agze? running 14 psi??

[shift_rook]

ah cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooo

[pope]

No idea on power and I really don't want to speculate till it's done.

I think it should easily handle more than 14Psi and the extra 200cc has gotta count for something but it is an older engine so who knows.

[pope]

Got more done today. Pictures do the walking.

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[Zach]

Gets better every post... :D

[pope]

Da POPE gets some steerers

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OR Flipped
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Engine is now 4 weeks away :(

[DAN-86]

Ohhh man those are haaaawt!! where did you get them haha

Didnt take ya long to flip them haha

[Hokey]

cooler piping will be fairly hektik haha

how'd you strip the paint off the engine bay? i'm really keen to see how much power the 3t puts out. cool build :D

[Zach]

Love the wheels.. how you going to run em?

[pope]

Ohhh man those are haaaawt!! where did you get them haha

Didnt take ya long to flip them haha
Got them from a dude in Launceston


cooler piping will be fairly hektik haha

how'd you strip the paint off the engine bay? i'm really keen to see how much power the 3t puts out. cool build :D
Cooler piping is going to run op through under the battery and the same on the other side. Paint was done mainly with wire wheels on an angle grinder and drill.

Love the wheels.. how you going to run em?
Flipped for sure. Gonna have to get me some bolt on flares.

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[Zach]

Bolt on's FTW!

[DAN-86]

Got them from a dude in Launceston


i would be that dude :P

Hence the sarcasm.. the backside came up really well. they where really clean when i got them. just dirty when i sold them to you :P

[pope]

Painting is gay. It can go to hell.

Managed to get the front resprayed white for a nice clean engine bay. First time spraying but I don't think it came out too bad. Hopefully it stays down :P

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Then started bolting it all back together with the new wheels. I'll let the pictures do the talking :jdmsmile:

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[Zach]

Looks neat as man... I love this car :D

[corknose]

got track?

[pope]

He he yeah man. AJPS lower control arms modified for a little extra oomph!

[ae71]

slanty front end for the love...

[joeschmo_57]

slant front is clearly the best.

and if you dont prefer them, you have never owned or slept with one.

[pope]

Updatessss :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

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[Zach]

Amazing Build!

[pope]

Turbs with new oil/water lines

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[Sherlock]

Niiiiice. Give that manifold a lick of paint yeah? :P

[pope]

Ha ha yeah it'll cop some high temp paint and then probably some wrapping.

[Zach]

This car will be boss!

[pope]

More pictures.

Lots of fiddly shit slowing me down but I'm getting there :P

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[pope]

Updatesss

Engine is in and wiring is nearly done.

Megajolt went bang, so i decided to ditch the wolf as well and run a megasquirt.

Megasquirt relay and stimulator purchased and built. Just need to buy the megasquirt, build in and then plug it in.

Things to do:
Buy 7mgte injectors and leads.
Buy a few fuses.
Get new 3" exhaust done from dump to in front of rear left wheel + O2 bung.
Buy megasquirt, air temp sensor, relay cable.
Get intercooler piping made up.
Find bolt to hold crank pully on.
Tighten, test and tune.

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[sundee]

lovin it man! original keep it up

[tc-rolla]

clive cams ftw!!

[plohl]

Looking good dude, will be over to check it out next time i am down.

Haha, need to get some heat shrink onto the wires when you get the squirt in!

plohl

[keimeier]

jus found this thread great stuff mate ;)

[pope]

Looking good dude, will be over to check it out next time i am down.

Haha, need to get some heat shrink onto the wires when you get the squirt in!

plohl
Ha ha for sure.

Megasquirt has been ordered and should be here this week. Will then need to solder it up :S

[trikzlane]

coming along really well, love that its so different

[plohl]

Crazy dude. You'll have to post up a heap of picks when you do it, also how long it takes.

[pope]

Squirt is soldered and sort of installed. Took about 7-8 hours of soldering and testing to do with the kit from diyautotune.com. Edis setup is working and firing but injectors are not. Gonna try and sort them out today.

[pope]

After hitting the injectiors with a hammer and a bit of fiddling.


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[trikzlane]

sounds good

[Sherlock]

Hellz Yeah!

[pope]

Shit, where did time go.

Bought a house with no garage. Garage got built and finished a couple of weeks ago, so on with progress.

Photo of the new accommodation:
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Side pipe was put in today, no more choking on exhaust fumes... hopefully:
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[Todd]

nice car accommodation and heck this will go pretty hard :)

why is your shed so clean!! im jealous.

[R&D Mechanical]

very nice how much was that shed? nice high part for a hoist :D

[Jdm-Mcc]

Good to see someone doing it differet man awesome work!

[pope]

Thanks guys.

Garage is clean cause it only went up last week :P

Cost:
$4200 for the slab
$1200 to put the garage up
$6000 for the garage
$1500 in bond and council fees

Plumbing and wiring still yet to be done :(

[pope]

Intake piping nearly done, just waiting on some 90 degree bends.
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[pope]

Bends arrived and intake piping is done.
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Just needs a quick going over then i can get it tuned :)

[R&D Mechanical]

very nice man

[joeschmo_57]

i dig. any particular reason you went for a 3tc in the first place?

[pope]

I forget exactly :P

I think i liked the challenge of taking an old engine and converting it with newer technology.
That and the extra .2 litres.

[Gunner]

very tidy.

[Seventy]

Such a clean build, great job mate

[joeschmo_57]

well i can hardly blame y ou. i am envious. such a clean install

[pope]

Alright need a list of things to do before getting it tuned:

Gearbox oil - DONE
Engine oil refresh - DONE
Tighten all bolts - DONE
Fuse electrical items not yet fused - 50%
Put in boost controller - DONE
Get battery - DONE
Bleed Brakes - DONE
find e-clip for turbo - DONE
fix up fuel pipes - DONE


After tune:

Get fire extinguisher
Get wheel alignement
Do track day to get used to car
Source some cheap rear rims + tyres
Get cams license


I think that's all for now.

[Late88]

looking good there, the intercooler looks mad sitn out in the open. Dnt kno if u mentiond this, but what intake are u using on that motor. It dust seem to be the standard efi one.

[pope]

Cheers mate, Intake is from a 2tgeu with a custom spacer.

[pope]

Car is booked in for a tune on Friday the 21st. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

[Cerby86]

where are you going for the tune??

[pope]

GTGarage

[Cerby86]

nice I reckon thats where i'll take mine when the new motor is in. Since seeing what he did with lloyds car he seems to be the only hope for my 12:1 comp supercharged motor. Until I saw lloyds car I thought I would have to ditch the high comp pistons!

[pope]

Yeah he seems to be getting a good rep.

What are you doing to the keep the detonation down? E85?

[plohl]

looking good dude - i'll be down in june again - cant wait to see it running!

[pope]

You and me both :)

Pity we didn't manage to catch up.

[Cerby86]

Yeah he seems to be getting a good rep.

What are you doing to the keep the detonation down? E85?

dunno. Going to have to have a serious talk with summers I think. I'm still not sure if I can get away with low boost on 98 or whether I'll have to pull the pistons and get some gze ones. Only thing I am sure of is I don't want to go NA cos I don't want to spend the money on the top end :P

[Delazy]

dunno. Going to have to have a serious talk with summers I think. I'm still not sure if I can get away with low boost on 98 or whether I'll have to pull the pistons and get some gze ones. Only thing I am sure of is I don't want to go NA cos I don't want to spend the money on the top end :P

Dnt bother with the high comp..

he was worried about my motor being on 98ron @ 12:1 cr..

his definately not going to like the idea of it with boost added..

come to think of it matt rogers didnt like the 12:1 idea much either lol..

But yes, in my opinion you'd be silly to take your car anywhere else to have it tuned locally..the work coming out of gtgarage lately is awesome..

[pope]

Dyno tomorrow AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

But for today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK8YA2j63o0

[Cerby86]

Dnt bother with the high comp..

he was worried about my motor being on 98ron @ 12:1 cr..

his definately not going to like the idea of it with boost added..

come to think of it matt rogers didnt like the 12:1 idea much either lol..

But yes, in my opinion you'd be silly to take your car anywhere else to have it tuned locally..the work coming out of gtgarage lately is awesome..


mmm bugger. The only reason why im even thinking of it is cos they are the pistons that I have in the motor. How much for standard gze pistons and will they fit in a smallport block?

[pope]

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/6/0/1/551499.jpg
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/6/0/1/61020.jpg

Everything went awesome!!!!

Only dramas were a blown fuse and we had to change the spark plugs for a different type.

Didn't want to push any harder on it, given it is a fresh engine. Will run it like this for a while and see how it goes.

[Vaughn]

the build is awsome :D

[plohl]

looks good dwyer! let us know how it goes!

[Rolla_man]

dude that is looking dope keep the good work up man

[pope]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nQlyIx3MuY

[pope]

Todo:

Get cams license - On the day
fill in entry form - Friday

[Cerby86]

is that lifter pump driving you nuts yet?? :P

[pope]

You forget about it once your on the track :S

[Cerby86]

LOL! yeah I would say 140kw is enough to make you forget most things when you get to open it up! Have to say Im a bit jealous! Now that yours is finished want to build a motor for mine? :P

[pope]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UV-fYhsrwc

[joeschmo_57]

what have you got the limiter at? how much faster is it around the track now that its turbo?

must feel awesome to have it back on track

[pope]

Limiter is set to 6200 while it is run in.

Last time i did a timed lap it was only 5 seconds quicker but was spinning a single wheel everywhere.

Was so much fun to have the rain come in sideways through the window :)

[plohl]

sick as dude! you gonna get a lsd?

[pope]

Maybe when i get the hilux diff built. Not worth it for the stocko.

[pope]

More stuff done in prep for the upcoming practice day.
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/6/0/1/200361.jpg
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/6/0/1/200363.jpg
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/6/0/1/200365.jpg

[pope]

Well i managed to get a few laps in on Saturday before this stopped the action:
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/6/0/1/203262.jpg

On the hunt for anything that will fit now before Friday as there is a drift practice day this Saturday.
Also managed to tidy up some new ignition leads as mine were farked:
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/6/0/1/203264.jpg

[Delazy]

nice work dude...rating the gear going into this...