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Jusdrifn 86
9th April 2005, 07:13 PM
Ok, alot of people i meet tell me that sprinters are only cool/good because of initial d...

Personally my love for ae86s started about 2 months before i even knew what initial d was, i got my hachi and then a mate (think it was THE 86) loant me an inital d dvd, i thought it was pretty cool how in a jap cartoon, they summed up how good our little cars are...

I am a bit sick of comments saying our cars would be worth nothing if initial d never happen ect,

I want to know what you think of this, does initial d have an impact on you liking ae86s, do you think our cars would be worth nothing if initial d never came along, or any other conversation about the topic...

upgarage
9th April 2005, 07:44 PM
initial d is a far fetched cartoon

i started my love for the 86 after i bought my first one (didnt know about initial d at that stage) it was just a bunky ae86 with 4age: loved to rev, handled good, sounded good and was quite nimble http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

after awhile i got a bit bored, so i sold the bunky 86 and decided to mod the te71. i decided to scrap the te71 project due to too much time needed.
then a clean ae86 stocker popped up so i decided to buy it.
then a cheap crashed jdm ae86 popped so i bought that too.

and now here i am today, with that clean stocker.

Shiri
9th April 2005, 07:47 PM
initial d spawned the drift craze, and the drift craze started the ae86 craze which lead to inflated prices and them holding or increasing in value...

"our cars would be worth nothing if initial d never happen ect"

i agree with that statement 100% of the time, but who honestly gives a fuck... i paid what i paid for my car at the time and i wouldn't go back on it... just drive

Medicine_Man
9th April 2005, 07:51 PM
I liked AE86s well before I'd even heard of InitialD, my brother had one with a 100KW engine in it, just to drive it around the yard was fun enough.. I was pissed at him for not selling it to me, its down in adelaide last I heard..

DRiiFT_King
9th April 2005, 07:58 PM
i new about initial D well be for i got my hachi (end of last year) even though i have up to series 4 in initial d dvds, that didnt make me want the car, ueo made me want one, and now i got one, i couldnt give a fuck what people say, cause with the money you spend on it you get way more then any skyline

slide86
9th April 2005, 11:40 PM
yeah i had heard of initial d but never seen it before i got my car wasnt till about 2-3 months ago when i first saw an episode thought it was cool how good the 4age sounded in it thats about it.

p.s ive owned my car for nearly a year

breno
10th April 2005, 12:02 AM
in Australia, proberly yes. I heard about Initial D before i heard about 86's but i didnt really take much notice. Like what other people have said what made me love them so much is watchin D1gp and what not, how hard they can rev the engines and how u can throw the car around because they are so light.

mr2drift
10th April 2005, 01:20 AM
i bought my car as a $1000 shitter as transport when i smashed my sw20 mr2. had never heard of the cartoon, and never saw an episode until after i had started pulling the yellow car apart. who cares the cars are just a design freak, that happens to be cheap and fun. great value

DRFT - 86
10th April 2005, 11:21 AM
Was all keen on an 86 way before hearing bout initial D - - still havent even seen an episode of it...dosnt really interest me to say the truth....
My mate had one ahy and always loved the experience's that were had when he was driving... so I offered to buy it from him, but he wouldnt sell then about 1.5 years later he wanted to sell it so I got it.......funny thing is he now wants it back.......,
aint going nowhere though...... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ph34r.gif

djscheppy
10th April 2005, 07:19 PM
i always throught they were rad!!! but Justin made my love for them go off the hook when i went cruising with him!!! damm they rock!!!


i think if they were shit they would be worth nothing! but they arent!!!

they were around inital D
and were drifted b4 it was made!

drft86
10th April 2005, 09:58 PM
Yeah i've heard of Initial D, who hasn't, but i still havent even watched an episode. The first time i fell in love with an AE86 was before i'd even heard of drift. I saw one in sydney about 5 years ago, it was hell shmick http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

skiddlz
6th May 2005, 10:06 AM
my mate had a sprinter 6 years ago, we didnt even know what it was it was just some rolla we did skiids in, and about a year later he rote it off, then in about 2003 i saw some option videos one of my mates imported, all in jap and i finally found out what real drift was and not just a option on Gran turismo 3 , I knew what all the cars were except the little old school thing ripping it up, it looked familliar and i looked up about it on the net and it was my mates old rolla, sweeet after that i had to have one, being a 22 old non turbo jap car, i thought it cant be worth anything so i decided to import one, calling japan i found out about the drift king and initial d the show ( i played the arcade game even before i knew what a 86 was i still have the card with a pic of a 86 on it) and found out that the car is the most respevted drifter and a legend "cult" car.

one year later i got one and now about 2-3 people a day comment on it , mostly sick car or somthing like that, the first day i drove it to work, some commadoor bogan rocked up beside me and yells out " f**k man thats a tuff little car you got there" so if a hachi can get a common whore reaction there doing pritty good.

one of the best things about a 86 is you can base another drifters knowledge just by the reaction they give you about your car http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

skiddlz
6th May 2005, 10:08 AM
initial d, i watched about 50 episodes while waiting to buy my 86, so good but so wanted to drive one

Daniel-AE86
6th May 2005, 11:53 AM
I heard a lot about ae86's but not from initial d. I wosto watch alot of dori's drifting before he entero into the GTR championship in 1992.

Also that my dad wosto owne a trueno gt-Apex overseas, i was very familiar with the 86's.


Finally in 2002 i bought one with a wrecke engine, soon to be replaced.

funkymonkey
7th May 2005, 12:22 PM
i used to watch the old rallying video's that my dad had (seeing as he was an engineer in one of the teams) and saw AE86's doin pretty well. That was my intro to them. My true passion's skylines (was at bathurst in 1991 with my old man and uncle thinking "wow that red car's fast").

When I needed to find a dedicated track car for the track days the SAU organises, I thought it'd be a hoot to get a shitter (ended up finding one with rear disc breaks for $650) and be able to keep up with the GTR's. (Now its got the same power to weight ratio as a 320kw GTR). Still workin on keepin up with the GTRs... one of these days. I'm only a few seconds off them.

As a bit of trivia, the Initial D manga (the comic which came before the cartoon) was based on Tsuchia and his AE86 according to its author.

decoyslikecurves
7th May 2005, 02:30 PM
I dont know if any of you have seen the latest initial D, but takumi starts driving his dads wrx more and more and realise's that his 86 can never be as fast as the wrx. I think its foreshadowing a car change for takumi.

I dont even like initial d. I started liking ae86s from japanese car magazines I found in a book store like 3 years ago.

driftae86
7th May 2005, 09:46 PM
i have to say that initial d was the reason i first got into ae86's. im not ashamed of that at all.

the first time i saw initial d i saw the trueno in the starting credits and thought "who would make a cartoon about that bunky car" then i started watching the rest of the episodes and became absolutely hooked.

i dont care what other people think about sprinters...they are just jealous that their cars are depreciating in value http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

anyway, if it wasnt for initial d i wouldnt be into ae86's or drift at all most likely. im happy i accidently came across the episodes on my brothers computer about 3 years ago http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

toyoda
7th May 2005, 11:10 PM
with out a doubt i brought my ae86 because of ID for the soul reason of trying to be like takumi

garage_kook01
8th May 2005, 01:05 AM
i bort my 86 off a mate * kinda* that had it and a gtr (now he has 2 the bastad) realy i just looked at it a thort it would be a good first car had never seen iD before i got it.

I had seen them drifting though and thats probably what really got me into them

Medwin_3sGTE_AE86
8th May 2005, 08:20 AM
People always come ask me... Oh..Is that an 86...? Are you trying to be takumi or something...? my answers always HELL NO!! I WANT TO BE BUNTA!!! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

On a more serious note... Initial D is a great anime and i love it! But my inspirations come from the real people! Tsuchiya, Ueo, Imamura, Tanaguchi etc... These are the real 86 drivers that can truly out run many big name cars out there. Come to think of it... even i've beaten some big name cars out there... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

I never think of the 86 as the best or fastest car. But i do beleive it is a awesome driver training tool. Great handling, Low horsepower... the perfect ingredients to drive hard and to learn on! Thats the main reason why i think 86's shouldn't be turbocharged... defeats the purpose...

BTW... English versions of Initial D sucks cock... If u gonna watch it... watch the original with subtitles... the comics even better http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/cool.gif

seek
8th May 2005, 09:01 AM
I actually bought my sprinter as a combination of Justin and Josh. Id seen Josh drifting his, and thought it would be good to have a tight little car to throw around like his. Justin living across the road from my olds helped out a bit too, I ended up selling the Sil80 project and importing THE 86. I always intended in putting a turboed engine in there, never got used to the car, drifted shit, so I still got a long way to go with learning to drift it properly.

matt99
9th May 2005, 11:51 PM
If i had a spare few thous i would do up a AE86......but with a non turbo SR20de...... Everycar has a little image to it but there not just cool becasue of I-D

skiddlz
10th May 2005, 09:20 PM
yeah dont waste your time or money on eng ver of initial d , sunnybank has cheap imported copys for sale of the japanese series, just in the latest ones the subtitles are a little vague

MAT713
11th May 2005, 01:56 PM
i still havent seen any of the initial d videos, i simply brought the hachi because it offered an extremely well balanced car, light weight and has a proven track pedigree. MAT713

garage_kook01
11th May 2005, 01:59 PM
Mat713 got any pics up yet dude??

Daniel-AE86
11th May 2005, 02:04 PM
Just say: What's Initial D?
A cartoon?!! aren't you a bit old for that? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

garage_kook01
11th May 2005, 02:09 PM
lol thats a good idea

NickAE86
11th May 2005, 07:57 PM
I never think of the 86 as the best or fastest car. But i do beleive it is a awesome driver training tool. Great handling, Low horsepower... the perfect ingredients to drive hard and to learn on! Thats the main reason why i think 86's shouldn't be turbocharged... defeats the purpose...[/b]

dont knock it till you've tried it http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

i'd agree that in n/a form its excellent as a training tool. The turbo option is simply a cheap way to get some hp. It would cost far less for a turbo/intercooler/maifold than a highly strung 16v or 20v. Granted the characteristics of the car change somewhat but a good driver should be able to adapt

While n/a is best for the track turbo's have their application. Ive driven ae86's with 16v, 20v, gze & gte engines and imo the forced induction ones are a lot more fun. On the track i'd choose a worked 20v (funds permitting)...on the street a gte all the way

as for what people say...surprisingly little but i get a lot of bogans in their vn/vk acting like dicks while driving beside me http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/blink.gif

Medwin_3sGTE_AE86
12th May 2005, 12:54 AM
HAHA!! fair enough... ur cars got BIG BALLS!! But i reckon mine stills corners harder... and thats where its all about buddy... real man attacks the corners!! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif
If u wanna go fast in a straight line... buy a R32 GT-R... u can pick up a 11sec GTR for 15-20gs these days.... if u know where to look....

Medwin_3sGTE_AE86
12th May 2005, 01:09 AM
Sharpy...although a 20v would be quick on the track... a turbo would still be way quicker if u got the suspension settings half decent... Theres no way u can make up for a 30-40-50km/h advantage on the straights...

But if ur competing... u'll be up against the rest of the turbo crews (WRX, s15's)... and then the hachi really wont be able to make the cut....

I feel you about the street car part though... once i get the cam gears and change the torque band to perfom up high... it'll be a pig to drive around town... unless i'm going flat out... But who cares...not like i'm going to be driving around town for the next decade or so...lol...

Remember... 18th June!!! Keep that day free!! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

funkymonkey
13th May 2005, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by MAT713@May 15 2005, 06:56 AM
i still havent seen any of the initial d videos, i simply brought the hachi because it offered an extremely well balanced car, light weight and has a proven track pedigree. MAT713
and you have a madman avatar? hmmm... wierd.

Funkdoc... a stock standard R32 GTR will beat most stock standard sprinters around a corner AND in a straight line. Got HICAS? Got AWD? Got ATESSA? Nope... Got solid rear axle? Yup... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

halifax
13th May 2005, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by NickAE86@May 11 2005, 06:57 PM
While n/a is best for the track turbo's have their application. Ive driven ae86's with 16v, 20v, gze & gte engines and imo the forced induction ones are a lot more fun. On the track i'd choose a worked 20v (funds permitting)...on the street a gte all the way
why would u go a 20v on the track i thought a gte would hav been better

funkymonkey
13th May 2005, 06:04 PM
turbo motors are built with a lower compression, and thus a less powerful base engine, this engine only reaches optimum power when the exhaust it gives out causes the turbo to spool giving it a denser fuel/air mixture to combust.

N/A engines on the other hand have a higher compression and are usually tuned for optimum power using ambient air pressure to create necessary fuel/air mixtures.

Because of this turbo motors sort of have a "dead zone" when coming out of corners etc compared to N/A tuned engines. But then it all depends on the track you're at. an n/a would get owned on a track with long straights and gentle corners.

It all depends on what sort of turbo you run as well, what RPM range it spools at etc. I run a misfiring system in my skyline (Bee-R rev limiter, not just good for shooting flames) which basically keeps the TD06 turbo spooling while I'm off the throttle (usually spools at about 5000 RPM), so its like a turbo with the response of an N/A

Medwin_3sGTE_AE86
14th May 2005, 02:02 PM
LOL... U wont need a GT-R to beat a stocko Aussie Sprinter mate... Infact, i dont think there's too many cars on the market today that'll actually get out performed by a stocko sprinter... No disrespect... but a stock sprinter although fun, its not quick in a straight line or around corners....

However, havin owned 2 modified GT-R's in the past, i must say, once you modify the suspension, rims and tyres.... due to the low weight of the 86, around tighter corners, the 86 is definately quicker, especially real tight downhill sort of stuff where weight can easily overcome grip... I know my worked sprinter definately corners harder than my worked GT-R around the roundabouts near my house.... about a 10-15km/h difference... the size of the car makes a big difference in tight situations....

monkeymajik
14th May 2005, 08:42 PM
A guy I work with tried to tell me that the sprinter was released from factory with a turbo engine and his mate just bought one for $3k.

He then proceeded to tell me that they have a system where when you pull the handbrake it automatically cut the power to the rear wheels, and then let it back on when the handbrake was released.

I didnt try to argue http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/blink.gif


There is alotta misconception out there, people automatically think you are a drifter when they find out you have a modified sprinter.

I've had one guy run out from the side of the road, making drifting motions with his hands yelling sprinter when I turned out of the bottom of the street (this was at 10:00am in the morning on a weekday so I dont think he was drunk). That made me smile http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

Beserker99
14th May 2005, 10:37 PM
I dont get many replys about my car, but I do get alot of people staring at my car.

I always find it quite humorous when a full car of people in their "tricked out" Civics and Lancers just stare at you as you drive past them in the opposite direction or just sitting at the lights. It always gives me a good larf. Just the looks on their faces, ya just know they've been watching Initial D and want a fully "dorifto" AE86 http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

funkymonkey
15th May 2005, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by monkeymajik@May 18 2005, 01:42 PM
He then proceeded to tell me that they have a system where when you pull the handbrake it automatically cut the power to the rear wheels, and then let it back on when the handbrake was released.
Check out the new Mazda 626 concept, built for drift, when driving normally its AWD, when on throttle, if you yank the handbrake, it sends 100% power to the rears for the duration and for 10 sec or so after. Pretty cool stuff.

funkdoc, my lightly worked sprinter has some issues keepin up with the lightly worked gtr's around phillip island, so I'll put it down to bad driver issues http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Medwin_3sGTE_AE86
16th May 2005, 01:10 AM
Funkymonkey: funkdoc, my lightly worked sprinter has some issues keepin up with the lightly worked gtr's around phillip island, so I'll put it down to bad driver issues

errr... i read that quite a few times but i still dont understand what ur tryin to say.... are u saying the drivers of skylines are bad drivers, or your self is a bad driver...or are u saying i'm the bad driver..... i have no idea...? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/blink.gif

Medwin_3sGTE_AE86
16th May 2005, 01:42 AM
I'd expect a GT-R to beat a AE86 in any race track situation (race tracks are generally at least 7m wide)... if they're similarly modified (ie. coilovers, race pads, exhaust, intake etc.)... they're in a completely different class.

However, there are some situations which will favour the 86, and in those situations, the 86 will be a bit faster... not by much though... and only faster till the next straight stretch..... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/blink.gif

Daniel-AE86
16th May 2005, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by Funkdoc.@May 19 2005, 06:42 PM
I'd expect a GT-R to beat a AE86 in any race track situation (race tracks are generally at least 7m wide)... if they're similarly modified (ie. coilovers, race pads, exhaust, intake etc.)... they're in a completely different class.

However, there are some situations which will favour the 86, and in those situations, the 86 will be a bit faster... not by much though... and only faster till the next straight stretch.....ÂÂÂ# http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/blink.gif


ae86's have proven time and time again, downhill in a touge battle where experience and technique overcomes horsepower, that's with a good suspension set up.

I have driven a stock 86 with just cusco coilovers cruising down a moutain at wollongong with a starion.
The entry and exit corner speeds where alot faster than the starion

funkymonkey
16th May 2005, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Funkdoc.@May 19 2005, 06:10 PM
errr... i read that quite a few times but i still dont understand what ur tryin to say.... are u saying the drivers of skylines are bad drivers, or your self is a bad driver...or are u saying i'm the bad driver..... i have no idea...? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/blink.gif
hehe I was implying that I'm a bad driver hence why I can't keep up with the skylines...

one of these days I'll catch em http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

funkymonkey
16th May 2005, 03:41 PM
"ae86's have proven time and time again, downhill in a touge battle where experience and technique overcomes horsepower, that's with a good suspension set up."

bit too much initial D and drift tengoku for this one...

too-gay is not a measure of jack, there's no timer, there's no regulations, no level playfield etc. Name one motorsport in the world where a race is held downhill. I'd love to see the times any AE86 posts coming uphill from the same too-gay battle (with the same driver exhibiting the same skill and experience with the same suspension setup).

monkeymajik
16th May 2005, 04:19 PM
There are uphill and down hill sections on some racetracks.

Medwin_3sGTE_AE86
16th May 2005, 05:45 PM
daniel 86: "I have driven a stock 86 with just cusco coilovers cruising down a moutain at wollongong with a starion.
The entry and exit corner speeds where alot faster than the starion"

u'd kinda expect that...an 86 with cusco coilovers.... but then again starion is no GT-R..... even on the downhill the gap between a GT-R and a 86 wouldnt be that much...and about 10m after the exit...the GT-R would of made up difference in exit speed and be ahead already.

to funkymonkey: If the driver of the GT-R has half a clue and ur within a couple seconds....i'd say ur doin pretty damn well.... every time u see a 200 meter (small straight) straight u'd lose about a second instantly...and thats against a pretty stock GT-R....

And even if u were quicker by a second or two....u'd never be able to pass him unless he wanted u to.... all he has to do is protect his line so u cant do a inside dive on him....and all ur hopes are over.... u cant go around the out side, and u definately dont have the exit speed... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif

Had that happen to me against a M3... i'm over 2sec faster per lap (partly due to semi slicks vs street tyres) but theres no way i can overtake... all he has to do is protect his line and theres Nuffin u can do about it... my higher mid corner speed dont mean shit.... he's got the power on the exit... and he can put a big enough gap on u after the straight (even using slip stream) so u cant do a dive.... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif

Still good fun though... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

Daniel-AE86
16th May 2005, 06:20 PM
Just to let you know drifting start well before initial d.
initial D is actually based on Dori and an olde touge club "Midnight club", im not a big fan of initial d and i dont believe much of it, but so far the only car that has beaten the 86 dowhill so far was a modified spyder mr2 2zz(you know the BMI video im talking about).

Gtr's are too heavy, too wide and usually off boost when struggling through those tight short corner's.

This importad starion had a 2.7ltr engine vmount with a hks gt28somethingsomething.

Uphill or a straigth line, its a weapon, but in these dowhill roads was right on my tail, first corner the gap got wider, 2nd iven wider, 3nd he cacth up cause of the long straight, 4th corner he was suffering major lag, the gap got wider again.
It's like, big horsepowered turbo+heavy car = uphill, straight
Very responsive balanced light car = dowhill