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verm69
5th May 2005, 06:09 PM
I need a new computer to run my GZE, but i don't know what will fit!

I'm not expecting a straight, no mod fit, just something that'll run it well

i was thinking a Power FC?

Anyways, if anyone has a 4A-GZE and has a computer running it, could you tell me what it is... n' stuff!!!!


thanks

Dave http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/blink.gif

Medicine_Man
5th May 2005, 07:31 PM
Being a piggyback controller, you would be very limited to what you can do with it. Personally I'd spend some money and get a WOLF 3D V4, From what I've seen they can do a lot of cool stuff http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

SPEEDCORE
6th May 2005, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by Medicine_Man@May 5 2005, 06:31 PM
Being a piggyback controller, you would be very limited to what you can do with it.
You talking about the PFC? PFC's are standalone, car specific, P&P affair are they not?

Medicine_Man
6th May 2005, 01:41 PM
I thought they were piggyback? meh, either way I'd spend some real money for an aftermarket ECU..

upgarage
6th May 2005, 01:50 PM
haha
power fc is gret ecu
lots of tunablity

lots of japs use pfc, fcon v in 9sec gtr..etc

do they make powerfc for 4agze tho?
and where would u get one?

verm69
6th May 2005, 05:04 PM
went on apexi.com today...

The Power FC is a complete, stand alone, total engine management system capable of handling virtually anything thrown in its path.

http://www.apexi.com/product_electronics_d...d=197&pageNum=1 (http://www.apexi.com/product_electronics_detail.asp?id=197&pageNum=1)

I'm not sure weather they come out for the GZE specific, but i was talking to a guy at autobarn and he said a guy in brisbane custom installs and tunes them. I might be able to get one for $800, so i'm thinking about it...

had a look that the wofl 3D v4 ems, looks good too, but i want A'PEXi

any other advise??? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

slide86
6th May 2005, 05:31 PM
yes they are a piggy back computer
but a great one at that

SPEEDCORE
6th May 2005, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by D1_Spec@May 6 2005, 04:31 PM
yes they are a piggy back computer
but a great one at that
Sorry man but they are not a piggyback.

You unplug your OEM ECU and plug in the PFC. Car specific in the sense that where you plug into the back is different for each specific car (obviously.... different size in plugs and actual pin out between models/makes). Also provided is a base fuel and ignition map but are more towards getting the car to fire and idle so you can go from there.

So yeah, your OEM ECU gets wrapped up and put into the spare bedroom wardrobe http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

Don't get confused with other Apexi computers like SAFC VAFC which are actually piggyback as you said. PFC is Full Replacement.

upgarage
6th May 2005, 07:27 PM
as stated above powerfc is standalone plug and play

highly capable unit, dont be fooled by the cheap price.
they work great are there are more tuner out there that can tune them compared to the hks fcon

slide86
6th May 2005, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by SPEEDCORE+May 6 2005, 05:45 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-D1_Spec@May 6 2005, 04:31 PM
yes they are a piggy back computer
but a great one at that
Sorry man but they are not a piggyback.

You unplug your OEM ECU and plug in the PFC. Car specific in the sense that where you plug into the back is different for each specific car (obviously.... different size in plugs and actual pin out between models/makes). Also provided is a base fuel and ignition map but are more towards getting the car to fire and idle so you can go from there.

So yeah, your OEM ECU gets wrapped up and put into the spare bedroom wardrobe http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

Don't get confused with other Apexi computers like SAFC VAFC which are actually piggyback as you said. PFC is Full Replacement. [/b]
ok i stand corrected
i always thought they where a piggyback
i think ill get a power fc when i get huge cams and quads throttle bodies etc.

monkeymajik
7th May 2005, 01:42 AM
The downside to the pfc is the fact that you need to keep your AFM :S (If you have an AFM GZE, not sure what to do with the MAP versions)

verm69
9th May 2005, 11:52 AM
so pretty much, the power FC isn't a Piggy Back and kicks ass, but you have to get model specific?

What does everyone else have? Not just for the ZE either... are you all running OEM? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/huh.gif

upgarage
9th May 2005, 03:03 PM
my mate used a haltech e6k on his 4agte
didnt have any problems

Medicine_Man
9th May 2005, 04:01 PM
In the end it comes down to your budget and what you want the ECU to be able to control, there are plenty to choose from..

SPEEDCORE
9th May 2005, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by VeRm69@May 9 2005, 10:52 AM
so pretty much, the power FC isn't a Piggy Back and kicks ass, but you have to get model specific?

What does everyone else have? Not just for the ZE either... are you all running OEM? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/huh.gif
Find yourself a good tuner that knows what they are doing with "x" particular engine and get the ECU that they like to use and have experience with on that engine.

ECU is only as good as its tuner.

DRFT - 86
9th May 2005, 04:05 PM
Heres a site that tells you about a few different aftermarket ECUs, might be worth a read if nothing else.. http://www.adaptronic.com.au/comp.html also this link.. http://www.emergent.com.au/200sx/ecudata.html

seek
11th May 2005, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by monkeymajik@May 7 2005, 12:42 AM
The downside to the pfc is the fact that you need to keep your AFM :S (If you have an AFM GZE, not sure what to do with the MAP versions)
Actually there is a model of the Power FC called the De-Jetro which removes the AFM. Its made by AP Engineering (APEXI), but is slightly more expensive. $800 for the PowerFC is a good price Dave, However be aware the controller to use it is a extra $500 on top of that. Install is easy, need to be retuned though, I would recommend the guys at FIST performance @ Wacol, theyre little monkey tuner has worked magic on the missus's OneVia, and they are doing all the work to my hachi too..........

Medwin_3sGTE_AE86
12th May 2005, 06:23 PM
Power FC's are great plug n play ECU's! i've had em b4 on other cars. However they still have their short falls, the sensors attached must be pretty much original or on the list they provide... Some parts of the menu is in japanese which is a real pain in the butt... takes a bit of time to learn/remember....

As Speedcore said: ECU is only as good as its tuner!

He's 100% right there!! No matter what ecu u have.... unless its tuned by a professional... WHO ACTUALLY SPENDS THE TIME TO GET IT PERFECT... it'll still be rubbish...

If your gonna plan to do plenty of mods plus mix n match parts to get the maximum from engine... theres only two choices really... Motec and Autronic!

These are the BEST money can buy... and they're Aussie...hehehe!!

Porsche Carrera GT was tuned on a motec before the final settings were copied onto a in-house motronic ecu... That just show how versitile and good the ecu is...

Considering the most top Jap Street/Race cars all run Motec... i think its a good idea cuz we can get it so much cheaper than them.... just like the japs would laugh if they heard we pay $1200 for a power fc....

Have a search for 2nd hand units... they're not as expensive as u think... a good investment i think especially if its for a long term project....