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slydar
19th June 2005, 06:34 PM
there has been som discussion on the topic already, but instead of having what i think is the definative answer half way down the 2nd page where some people will never see it, i thought id put this up here in hopes it reaches a broader audiance.

all these parts are easily availabe to anyone within australia, and overseas i dont think is too much of a problem.

theyre designed and sold by Anthony Kellam.

the main part is the rear water housing. this is the single most important part of the conversion. as shown it attaches at the rear of the head and takes the place of the standard thermostat housing. it redirects the water back through the head and out to the water pump, in much the same way as a 16v. it also has provisions for the heater inlet and is taped for your engine temp sender and ecu's water temp sensor.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/75538.jpg

this is the cover plate.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/75539.jpg

this is the modified inlet, which has a provision for the bypass.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/75540.jpg

with this set up you will need to get ahold of an external thermostat, off pretty much any FWD corrolla.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/75541.jpg

also available, is this cover for the dizzy, if you plan to convert to dfi. (recomended)

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/75542.jpg

he also sells a dli converter box if you plan to keep factory management, be warned that there is a larger demand and production is labour intensive, so at this stage there will ALWAYS be a long wait for these.

and lastly, something of my own creation, fibre glass velocity stacks. these are to suit black top throttles (48mm). as you may or may not know stacks to suit this size of throttle are quite dificult to come by. these arent something i keep in stock as such, but if someone would like a set made up im sure we could come to an agreeable price.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/8/12540.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/8/12539.jpg

lasty, ive heard whispers that these 20v RWD conversion parts may be available from another source shortly. please be advised that Ant is the one who designed and developed these parts, and you should buy them from a him, a true '86 enthusiast, rather than another party just jumping on the bandwagon and trying to cash in. cheers.

ill probably edit this a bit later, just wanted to get the pics up before im away from a computer for a few days. cheers.

Anthony
2nd July 2005, 10:03 PM
Thanks for your enquiry.

Water kit is $165 with the top hose fitting being on exchange basis. That includes the rear water housing, blanking plate for old top hose fitting and the modification to the top housing. The setup then needs some odd hose pieces, a 16V FWD thermostat housing and some hose clamps to work. the heater can be left out or included.

Billet Crank angle sensor cover is $55. This cover just touches one of the hoses going into the heater but this is unavoidable.

Granto
13th March 2006, 08:35 PM
"with the top hose fitting being on exchange basis"

Does this mean I wouldn't be able to purchase one before I get the 20v? as I'd like to have everything ready to go in.. if not, what's the turnaround? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

Thanks, Grant.

rthy
14th March 2006, 12:20 AM
hey Ant good work on making this kit. I am curious if you have any other sprinter/4age parts in mind to be released in the future? also what do you charge for a DLI converter?

slydar
21st March 2006, 08:17 PM
in regards to the water neck. we have some done up already. so you just need to drop off yours and pick one up thats allready done.

as for other parts. there are the headers that everyone knows about, plus the CA18DE(T) engine fitting kit.

theres 20v rwd air boxes (specifically to suit black top, though it can be made to work on a silver top)

a few bits and pieces to help fit 4agzes in RWD cars.

best to speak to ant personally about the DLI convertor. like it has already been mentioned, theyre very labour intensive to build and ant is pretty busy..

rthy
22nd March 2006, 12:06 AM
just curious anyone got a pic of one of these airboxes?

slydar
22nd March 2006, 02:00 PM
ill edit either this or the top post with some pictures soon.

PLACEBO
25th March 2006, 02:26 PM
What are the parts included in the ca18det conversion kit ant sells? how much?

Monk
26th March 2006, 04:06 PM
Call ant. thats what they will tell you.

AE86slut
4th April 2006, 12:19 PM
What are the parts included in the ca18det conversion kit ant sells? how much?[/b]

Engine mounts and gearbox mount - roughly $300 from memory. I'm sure Ant can confirm.


As far as the RWD conversion parts go, this reminds me of the parts I had made up when I did mine back in early 2004 as pictured below. Worked a treat and with no cooling issues whatsoever, so I'm sure this kit would be just as good - the price is very reasonable too.

Kit
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/98975.jpg

Rear plate fitted
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/98976.jpg


I did the bottom hose a bit differently though. I used a 4AC pump and thermostat housing, then TIG'd this 90degree bend onto the thermostat/bottom hose outlet so it ran straight forward to the radiator. I then cut the heater pipe that runs straight out of the rear of the thermostat housing and hooked it up to the T-piece, now fitted in the top hose as a thermostat bypass.
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/98977.jpg

Monk
4th April 2006, 03:44 PM
Thanks for that ae86slut .. it'll come in handy when i get off my ass to do mine. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

SPEEDCORE
4th April 2006, 04:43 PM
just curious anyone got a pic of one of these airboxes?[/b]


ANT let me know if you want me to post a pic of my airbox.......

Cheers,

Speedy!

Monk
4th April 2006, 05:59 PM
Ahy do you need ANT's approval to post a pic of your airbox??

I say post a pic.. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

SPEEDCORE
5th April 2006, 10:51 AM
My reason for asking permission.......


Ant is the one who designed and developed these parts.[/b]

If there are people copying these designs without prior arrangement or consent from AK and making money from it and there is even the slightest possibility that a copy of the airbox can be made by sighting the one on my car, then appologies but it ain't getting posted up.

slydar
5th April 2006, 01:50 PM
theres only one airbox left now and there wont be any more being made up anytime soon anyway.

PLACEBO
10th April 2006, 12:21 AM
Does n e 1 have Ants contact? i'm after details on the ca18 conv kit.

Anthony
12th April 2006, 02:25 AM
Yeah speedcore, I've got no probs with you posting a pic of it http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif Thanks.

slydar
22nd April 2006, 01:15 AM
http://members.optusnet.com.au/netfiles/dimitri/SV400104.JPG

http://members.optusnet.com.au/netfiles/dimitri/SV400105.JPG


clearer picks of the remote thermostat set up. the long hose that runs to the rear goes to the drivers side heater core outlet.

rthy
28th April 2006, 07:49 PM
damn, why on earth would anyone use an external thermostat?

Anthony
28th April 2006, 11:07 PM
Well since you posed the question so politely, to avoid making an alternator bracket like yours...

Obviously, a RWD pump and alternator bracket arrangment would be best but this adds greatly to the budget. The idea behind it also is to make things easier for the owner and future owners. The pump is still AE101, so any future repairs are easy. Seriously if the alterbative to using the external thermostat (as toyota did on about 10 million corollas) is to take to two pump halves with a die grinder and glue parts in with epoxy then I'll take the external thermostat thanks. I admit that its not the prettiest solution ever, but it keeps the temp stable and uses parts replaceable by any backwater wrecker for those trips to AE86 meets http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

rthy
29th April 2006, 10:27 AM
fair enough,

yeah sorry I didnt mean to come across the wrong way, I seem to have a talent to do that.

Now I know the way I did it is far from easy and practical for most people but I was thinking along the lines of that trick that uses two belt tensioners together end to end combined with a trueno pump? I know it probably would cost more to get the pump though. I guess it still leaves the problem with the bypass though. I do like how that has been incorperated into the above design. Do you have any problems with air locks in this setup?

Hey I am still interested in seeing one of these RWD airboxes. I would like to see how others have solved this difficult problem. Afterall mine was a nighmare to make, and so it wouldnt be hard to come up with something easier. I still am thinking about making a new one from scratch that has 4 pipes bending down into a long tubular air box with some bellmouths inside.

On a bit of a side note I tottaly don't get why toyota went to all the trouble of making a staight inlet port, matched to a manfold and throttles that were all in a straight line only to have the most twisted and sharp angled trumpets on the end. But they do work so maybe its me being ignorant.

slydar
30th April 2006, 12:13 AM
no trouble with air locks. trumpets are shaped that way due to packaging.

im sure airbox pics will turn up. not really relavent or worth us bothering though. theyre sold old. wont be another run for a while.

slydar
10th May 2006, 02:11 AM
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/8/552997.jpg

heres the airbox. will be a new batch of these available pretty soon. pm me if youre interested.

SPEEDCORE
11th May 2006, 02:32 PM
Yeah that's the box from Anthony I have.
I'm yet to measure the clearance at the back of the box as I'm possibly wanting to run aftermarket stacks while maintaining the box.

First 3 stacks from the front should be fine even with stacks of a decent length. Only POSSIBLE issue will be the 4th due to the angle of the tapper at the rear of the box.

rthy
12th May 2006, 06:34 PM
nice box, would the 4th be an easy fit if a bit was ground off the bellmouth? I wouldnt think that have a few mil shaved off a quarter of it would make all that much of a difference

slydar
13th May 2006, 11:23 AM
the box was originally designed for for black top trumpets. with those fitted 123 down and 4 up nothing touches and the box volume is also the same as factory.

with the fairly radically differant shape of the 20v trumpets im not even sure you can mount them this way (3 down 1 up). pretty sure they will foul each other. definately wont fit in the airbox that way, i tried myself, i did the majority of the work on the car pictured.

as for fitting standard straight stacks inside.. still not a whole lot of room. would have to be a fair bit shorter than the lenght of stacks most people run.

as stated the orginal idea was to mount factory black top stacks inside an airbox of equal volume to standard. the design achieves this perfectly. ofcourse it is also an atractive solution for other set ups too. as long as people are aware of this and are still happy to use the airbox, then we're happy to supply them.

the compromise is basically, stock silvertop stacks wont fit. another is that the stock we had was all drilled for black top bolt spacing. this will not be an issue anymore, just order the box to suit whichever motor you have.

spoon
15th May 2006, 01:44 PM
if i run different stacks, can i still reliably run the factory computer and just have a different power delivery? cos i have one of the dli kits and am running factory computer - need to know if it'll still work ok!

slydar
16th May 2006, 10:29 AM
works fine. dont think it will even noticeably affect the tune/power delivery. if you want one pm me in a week or so. moving shop now, once thats ettled down we'll take orders. or you can pre order now. youll be first in but youll have to wait a bit.

you want it for silver top?

hairywally
16th May 2006, 10:53 AM
interested to know if you have tested the airbox on a 16v with 20v quads?

slydar
16th May 2006, 12:11 PM
interested to know if you have tested the airbox on a 16v with 20v quads?[/b]

no. the design in "sorta" specific to the 20v. the ports/quads on a 20v are down draught. which means theres less space to play with around the no.4 throttles. so the design tries to maximise space around this area, but it is always compromised. that just how it is, theres a clutch master there and you cant really move it without great expense of a pedal box.

SPEEDCORE
16th May 2006, 03:12 PM
as for fitting standard straight stacks inside.. still not a whole lot of room. would have to be a fair bit shorter than the lenght of stacks most people run.[/b]

Agggrrrrr shit hey....... thanx for the info anyways! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tup.gif

PLACEBO
8th June 2006, 07:00 PM
im interested in the rwd 20v parts, where can i purchase them from?

slydar
10th June 2006, 06:01 PM
kaizen garage. i work there. pm me.

spoon
21st June 2006, 02:28 PM
any chance my airbox is gonna be finished soon?

slydar
23rd June 2006, 10:13 AM
pm'd you man.

Wanabe_Garage
19th July 2006, 01:43 AM
damn ive beeen waiting for these boxes

let me know when theyre available off the shelf

dr1ft-pig
8th August 2006, 11:39 PM
can someone get those pics back up as ill be doing a 20v on the sly soon as my7 mate isnt buyin it anymore and just to get a few things straight the 20v bolts up to all ae86 gearbox right? i currently have a 4age in my car now and want to put my 20v in so if somebody could get those pics back up it would be much appreciated...cheers

chasingpandas
11th September 2006, 12:15 PM
hey can ant or someone pm a price on the ca18 into ae86 kit.

thanks champ.

also what are the considerations for getting a mod plate for a ca18? Can it just be engineered? or is there things i need to make sure i do. if someone could shed some light on this it would be appreciated.

20valve69corona
23rd October 2006, 01:50 PM
PM sent to Slydar in regards to parts http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

Monk
24th October 2006, 04:30 PM
can someone get those pics back up as ill be doing a 20v on the sly soon as my7 mate isnt buyin it anymore and just to get a few things straight the 20v bolts up to all ae86 gearbox right? i currently have a 4age in my car now and want to put my 20v in so if somebody could get those pics back up it would be much appreciated...cheers[/b]

Sing out if you get stuck, Im on the coast.. Catch me on a good day an I'll come down and give you a hand http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

dr1ft-pig
23rd November 2006, 11:33 PM
so with this kit anthony makes is it all the parts needed to do the 20v conversion or do u need more parts....im just after cooling system.....and i might need an airbox to as i will be putting on a sc14 charger

slydar
5th December 2006, 12:22 AM
so with this kit anthony makes is it all the parts needed to do the 20v conversion or do u need more parts....im just after cooling system.....and i might need an airbox to as i will be putting on a sc14 charger[/b]

with the charger you will need a custom water neck for sure.. and we dont do the airbox anymore either.

dr1ft-pig
6th December 2006, 01:04 AM
na i scrapped the blower idea just the normal 20v conversion now....ill let you know bout that kit in about a week or so...still getten money together

HYPNTK
6th December 2006, 04:49 PM
hey dunno if its a stupid question but how come some people would wanna run an airbox over the quads?

i have just recieved my 20v sitting on a pallet running bare quads with uni filters and thought it was best to run it like that

rthy
6th December 2006, 05:49 PM
well there are a few reasons, here are some of the main ones:

1- allows all the air to go through an airflow meter, this lets the person use the factory ecu if they chose to

2- it can look standard, some people like me want an OEM look

3- lets a single non restrictive ait filter be used. Some socks that go over trumpets are quite restrictive and the oil they use are flamable..

HYPNTK
6th December 2006, 06:24 PM
3- lets a single non restrictive ait filter be used. Some socks that go over trumpets are quite restrictive and the oil they use are flamable..[/b]

EEK! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ohmy.gif

rthy
6th December 2006, 06:38 PM
its no BS too, just ask Takai about that one or go into his worklog and see his engine bay fire pics.

HYPNTK
6th December 2006, 06:45 PM
its no BS too, just ask Takai about that one or go into his worklog and see his engine bay fire pics.[/b]

oh no i didn't think you were bullshitting, thats why i was surprised...well thats definetely one of my questions when i go to buy new filter socks: whether the oil on em is flammable or not...the things you learn...

rthy
6th December 2006, 06:49 PM
for me I dont trust the filtration of them. Oh also I forgot something important, having an airbox means you can have a good cold air intake, yeah sure you can have one with trumpets but its never as good