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shift_rook
15th April 2006, 12:22 PM
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aaaaah
15th April 2006, 01:16 PM
Holy fcuk thats a mammoth effort. Awesome work!! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

slydar
15th April 2006, 01:46 PM
get a datsun already.

omy
15th April 2006, 06:01 PM
Post some results, when you come to test it http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

SprinterTRD
15th April 2006, 08:31 PM
Hang on Isnt A nissan now a Reno?

slydar
15th April 2006, 10:14 PM
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get a datsun already.[/b]

Wheres the datsun ? you might have see some of those parts before
Strange since your always whoring on ns that you cannot work out there NISSAN parts http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Next you will be saying its a fiat due to the ferrari fuel line http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ohmy.gif

And i had a 1600 with a z18t back in the late 80's so have been there with the dattos already
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the datsun is under your bonnet/wheel arches/boot floor.

always on NS? youre mistaken. ive posted on there like 3 times? i joined to try to sell one of my cars to those dirty datsun lovers for more than its worth, but since you cant untill you make like 40 posts or something i havent been back.

JinxD
15th April 2006, 10:47 PM
ooooh he ^ is the ownage bitches

unreal custom work people like this guy are pritty bold and should get alota respect for what thay do

slydar
15th April 2006, 11:16 PM
actually ill be picking up no.7 next week (AE)

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/in...wtopic=3212&hl= (http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/index.php?showtopic=3212&hl=)

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/in...wtopic=2368&hl= (http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/index.php?showtopic=2368&hl=)

i like all those manufacturers to a degree, including nissan, but your car is a monstrosity.

good luck with it though http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

i like my car for what it is. a toy, im not trying to conquer the world in a huchi, thats retarded.

slydar
16th April 2006, 12:16 AM
im just stirring you cause i think youre prick and i know youll bite. bang bang 2 bullseyes for me.



the performance of the price ![/b]

i sold my old adm huchi i built, for about 2k more than it cost to build, and then bought my jap one for less than i sold the last adm one for.

so with some simple deduction i get a car with EVERYTHING, for less than the price most people pay for a shit box adm 86 with a 4ag and some king springs, tell me how that doesnt fit into your "the performance of the price" ideal.

since then ive sold off 9/10ths of the parts that came in it, so it cost almost nothing, and am about to rebuild. youre right though, it is a little rusty;)

as for not building the KE, dude thats my garage..? the photos/thread shows it as very incomplete, but actually the car is allmost done.

im not trying to pretend im above "everyone here", you are. and you do it everywhere you go, so actually i do know "the history".

snake666
16th April 2006, 12:17 AM
As always Adam, insane work there http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tup.gif

I have been for a ride in his car pre the IRS setup and it was already awesome, can't imagine what it's going to be like with excellent traction http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

I'll come back to Melbourne one day for a track day to get my ass handed to me http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/greenbounce.gif

Gilly
16th April 2006, 07:18 AM
so much tension, entertaining read though, both for the engineering and the verbal sparring!!!

pro_k
16th April 2006, 09:22 PM
Very impressive work there!

Lots of planning, preparation and high quality work as usual http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

Waiting to see the outcome. This is going to be the best sprinter in Aus if its already not.

SprinterTRD
16th April 2006, 10:08 PM
Lets just say that anyone willing to think outside the box and do modifications properly deserves a pat on the back, especially if they do all the work themselves.

While some people think that its not right putting non toyota bits in to spriters (like me), at the end of the day who cares!

roadsailing
16th April 2006, 10:20 PM
awesome work there improved, if your sprinter ends up weighing less than a stripped out saliva then it will have all been worth it.

will it be faster than an alfa though http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

SprinterTRD
16th April 2006, 10:23 PM
It wouldent take much to be faster than a Alfa! I had some laps against one around sandown in my sprinter and he couldent keep up with me.

SprinterTRD
16th April 2006, 10:33 PM
Na wasen't Derek was one of the guys at work

decoyslikecurves
17th April 2006, 02:24 AM
Nice car, nice mods. I respect anyone that goes their own way with car mods, so long as they are tasteful. I just thought you know that "slydar" - Dimitri - Is pretty into his stuff dude, he knows ae86's absolutely inside out. I know for one that he has a part in a little project called " beams 3sge with blitz turbo in a japanese ae86 coupe with genuine BN kit etc etc" Im not sure if that engines still a go, but him and his mate anthony pretty much do that kind of stuff all the time - If a beams 3sge with 300+hp in a trueno coupe doesn't make you aroused, nothing to do with ae86s will.

I personally Like a toyota motor in a toyota, and a nissan motor in a nissan. You'll probably find a lot of dudes bitching about you putting a "datsun" motor in your yota - but its all fun and games.

anyway have fun with your project

SprinterTRD
17th April 2006, 12:19 PM
If a beams 3sge with 300+hp in a trueno coupe doesn't make you aroused, nothing to do with ae86s will.[/b]


300Hp isnt much out of a 3sg beams engine, we were getting that out of a 3sfe turbo 16 years ago!

decoyslikecurves
17th April 2006, 12:36 PM
Okay. Well you obviously have no idea how difficult it is to fit a beams 3sge in an ae86. Harder than a ca18 I can tell you that.

And when I said 300+ hp. that was a vague estimate. I was saying OVER 300hp, not 300hp exactly. The turbo kit on the thing apparently is flowed to 600hp so I could have said 600hp but that wouldn't be correct would it?

I dont believe that the ae86 needs an IRS rear setup personally. I think the only way it would be nessecary would be on uneven ground, gravel or something... not a smooth track.

Lastly dude, I respect you for doing it! seriously good stuff.... and with the ca, Its a good motor I know. I myself have a nissan laurel with an rb20det in it - similar motor to a ca infact.

But you'll find some people just like the whole purist thing with ae86s. probably because they are incredible for what they are - when youj start putting massive turbo motors in them, irs in the rear etc etc you may as well buy an s13 or an r32.

each to their own

Peace!

SprinterTRD
17th April 2006, 12:39 PM
Trust me A beams would be simple compared to a 1UZ....

slydar
17th April 2006, 01:30 PM
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im just stirring you cause i think youre prick and i know youll bite. bang bang 2 bullseyes for me.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'> the performance of the price ![/b]

i sold my old adm huchi i built, for about 2k more than it cost to build, and then bought my jap one for less than i sold the last adm one for.

so with some simple deduction i get a car with EVERYTHING, for less than the price most people pay for a shit box adm 86 with a 4ag and some king springs, tell me how that doesnt fit into your "the performance of the price" ideal.

since then ive sold off 9/10ths of the parts that came in it, so it cost almost nothing, and am about to rebuild. youre right though, it is a little rusty;)

as for not building the KE, dude thats my garage..? the photos/thread shows it as very incomplete, but actually the car is allmost done.

im not trying to pretend im above "everyone here", you are. and you do it everywhere you go, so actually i do know "the history".
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So once again you ripped someone off brought a car already done and learnt nothing for yourself
With no more performance than about a 1000 other ae86 out there which all have the same modification http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Your not really progressing in any forward direction with performance and never will http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sleepy.gif I can be a prick yes but unlike you i might have earned that right since you are never going to add anything to the ae86 people " everyone here " since you are never going do to something thats never been done before . Was it the point that the japs which you seem to be in wanting to be one so badly couldn't even work out how to fit s13 suspension without making the car about 14" higher ?

Basically you cannot even begin to understand the concept thats why you still haven't commented on any points that i am trying to make to you http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif FACT is your a idiot for trying to stir anyone about something you don't understand http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Go back to your garage and don't feel so depressed that there's nothing special in there http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

Snake i might head up your way for some new tracks and maybe shit for brains slydar here will meet us half way to have his ass handed to him http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif
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i didnt rip anyone off. the sum of the parts was less than the value of the car. im sure you know thats actually not that hard to do when you dont count labour.

i also wouldnt say the car has less performance than 1000 other half baked 86s, if youre talking within this country, and like i said anyway "all the same modifications" have pretty much been sold off. so by the time its back on the road again, it will be pretty much 100% my work, like every other car ive ever owned.

ill admit i have not added really anything original and new to the 86 scene, for me it is early days i am only really now being afforded the oppurtunity to.

but really neither have you.

i dont see how you can really critque other peoples efforts at nissan S platform IRS trasnplants without having a close look at them. this ontop of the fact that you very obviously have quite obsucred ideals and ideas about the "correct" way things should be done. i dont subscribe to your idea of there only being one right way to do it. the are way to many variables and influences envolved.

and anyway, it is just car modifying. its not rocket science, and its not quite art either, i think you should get off your high horse, what youre doing isnt that awesome.

"I can be a prick yes but unlike you i might have earned that right" this is what i like best. that is the most rediculous thing ive heard in a while. from jeff, to ant, grant watson, all these guys and more who i have come into contact with within modifying scene, all infinately more talented than you mechano set approach to car modifying, are super cool guys always willing to chat and share their knowlege if you show some interest.

so anyway what was the point you were trying to make to me, that i havent commented on?

p.s im done with the flame war. but i will reply if you answer that last question.

slydar
17th April 2006, 05:47 PM
jeff is part owner of plr engine reconditioning and builds alot of championship winning race motors/heads from home. everything from briggs cart motors to 700ci drag race mountain motors. aswell as race motorcycle ( yamaha 5v/cylinder included), and motor cycle powered (leader car) race cars. he is pretty much up to the minute with the pretty radical designs/modifications (that actually work).

Grant Watson. runs Pro - Sport. won the national title last year, sport 1300 i think his class is, the one bill sherwood races/is envolved in. in the car he built. the new model is already 2sec/lap faster.

and Anthony Kellam.

it mechano because it is still just mounting bits and pieces from other cars. youre not actually creating anything new or designing anything from scratch. i'm not trying to say what youve done is monkey work, but its not ground breaking.

the fact that youve mounted it without cutting the chassis doesnt impres me either. the chassis is worth less than the rear end youre putting in, so from that point of view, youre cutting the wrong thing. ofcourse the rear is slightly more replaceable, though the choice of s15 hinders that, even though i know your choice was more likely based on it having superior geometry.

evidently the car is not going to see alot of street drift, so the likelyhood of you collecting something with the rear wheel side on is not so likely, but the nissan rear craddles are very well known to be quite weak, so being able to replace it easily is definately a consideration, that ontop of the fact that you modified one of the pickup points, and that work would need to be repeated in the event of an accident, means maybe cutting the chassis to accomadate a completely stock rear cradle and using a more readily available one might have been a better choice.

what type of sadist would ever want to turn the car back to stock? its not the lourve/colleseum/iffle tower. its a peice of non virgin metal, a cheap one at that. you wholistically own it, do whatever the fuck you want with it.

this is pointless anyway. good work, youve got skills. but i hate it.

i just wanted to see if you could take a snide remark you hand out with such disregard so often. (and no this isnt a vendetta http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif, youve never attacked me directly before this thread, which i completely expected in retaliation anyway).

cu later datsifiedae86.

AEGZE
17th April 2006, 05:56 PM
slydar..why dont u stop talking shit on forums and race adam if u really think ur that much better? come down to calder on the 30th and prove urself. if not~ dont talk shit

edit: adam's car will rape ur's in any aspect, let it be straight line, handling or mechanical engineering.

pumpkinking
17th April 2006, 06:21 PM
how about we all grow up and stay out of each others business..

remember everyone is tuff behind a keyboard!

chill out cause you are embrassing the scene.. with remarks like 'race him race him' what are we friggin Lebos??

AEGZE
17th April 2006, 06:55 PM
not my fault if he suddenly decided to come onto somebody else's thread that clearly states: Members Cars, show us your hachi, and started giving the owner shit for his project. has nothing to do with him, its not his car and its not getting built at his garage, so he shouldnt critisize..if he doesnt like it~ just dont read.

Little Jon
17th April 2006, 09:25 PM
am i too late for the e bashing???

im gonna side with dmitri on this one...
with all the effort your going to, you could rather just box section your (fairly sad looking) hachi and do a smick equal length 4 link and a custom watts linkage....

hmmm... all in the name of grip hey...

IMO if you wanna grip, buy an EVO/GTR
but 86's are for DRIFTING BABY.

slydar
17th April 2006, 09:58 PM
slydar..why dont u stop talking shit on forums and race adam if u really think ur that much better? come down to calder on the 30th and prove urself. if not~ dont talk shit

edit: adam's car will rape ur's in any aspect, let it be straight line, handling or mechanical engineering.[/b]

dude. i dont care. i never said i was better, you missed the point completly. im not going to race anyone. you sound more like some initial D character than anyone else here. calder isnt in the next "prefecture". its fucking several thousand k's away, i live in qld.

like i said though, im done.

psi_72
17th April 2006, 10:02 PM
haha i hope i get abused in this but i completely agree with slydar, seriously WTF? i hav no idea as to why anyone would want to waste there time to do that, i think it will make stuff all difference to handling to be honoust, if i put the rear end of a ferrari in my sprinter would it handle like one? what a joke

psi_72
17th April 2006, 10:07 PM
oh and with all the 'race me, i'll beat you, u will get raped' blah blah blah crap, i hate to tell u people, but no matter how good u are, theres always someone better, that WILL beat u, so never try to sound toooo coool on the net ok guys, get a tissue if u need one, and brush your teeth u talk shit

SprinterTRD
17th April 2006, 10:31 PM
There are many advantages goint to a IRS rear end, not to mention a different supply of diff ratios & LSD's

kaibeecee
17th April 2006, 10:38 PM
"slydar..why dont u stop talking shit on forums and race adam if u really think ur that much better? come down to calder on the 30th and prove urself. if not~ dont talk shit"

This isn't my business, but what the fuck does this have to do with anything?? If thats you're way of "proving" your opinion, http://www.boostcruising.com/ there you go. have fun.

IRS has it's ups and downs. thats for sure. but, it's good to see you're exploring your options. But, [theres always a but] It's just not my, and a few others cup of tea. Perhaps you could respect that, instead of thinking that every personal opinion is an attack on you personally?

aaaaah
17th April 2006, 11:11 PM
Farking hell guys. Get over yourselves.

mikes86
17th April 2006, 11:31 PM
Fark and all this came from get a datto already. Your not the worlds greatest, your just a guy with a sprinter with to much time on it. Just drive it and smile already. Hachi love brothers

tom210
17th April 2006, 11:32 PM
Hey there guy's it is good to see new technology get put into old cars, after reading many person's attempt to critisize and disagree with whats happening to this 86 i personally love it. Theres nothing more satisfying than puting some thing that isn't meant to be there, in there and getting it to work. I too have been planning something similar to this with a bit more of a twist so yeah it's good to see other people think the same as i do. Good work guy's keep it up

decoyslikecurves
18th April 2006, 02:19 AM
OH god!

I fear the Vic drivers!!!! they can leave me for dead in a stock 86!

I hate to say it, but in most situations, my nissan laurel with its jic coilovers, revalved inserts and my personal spring rates is faster than most ae86s (talking corners). The only exception may be extremely tight and technical situations where the laurels weight is a large disadvantage.

The part that is the best (for me) is that any ae86 that can beat me in the hills either has a driver who is considerably faster than me (I'm not boasting about my driving skills, in fact I think I am an average driver in comparison to heaps of guys, who can drive quicker and more consistantly than me) OR they have spent a lot more money on their car than I have on mine. Because of all this money they have spent on performance, it ends up being a tradeoff in daily comfort, NVH etc etc.


I can drive my girlfriend round every day, go shopping, cart mates around, go on highway trips and do it comfortably all day every day.
Then that weekend I can go eat up some shitty drivers in their GTR's/ae86's/evo's + rex's (yes its been done before) on the hills.

Please note this isn't a rant against 86s, in fact I plan to get jdm coupe soonish - keep it n/a and a focused drivers car. Im just saying - the ae86 is not the fastest car there is. nor even near it. Most of the time any of the run-of-the-mill s13 turbos/gtrs/wrx's with a half decent driver can flog a matched driver in a normal sort of ae86. Once you start putting nissan motors and IRS and all that stuff in, it gets more expensive again and theres no garrentee you're going to be the faster car still.


ae86s are great little cars, they have a level of driving feedback which is unsurpassed by modern cars, and they can be very fast in the right hands. However, an s13 in the right hands is faster in MOST situations.
Put the irs and nissan motor in the ae86, you spend more money than you would on an s13, and you basically got a car which is unliveable on a daily basis - less versatile.

Thats my view anyway - as I said before, I dont disagree with what your doing at all, and I know you have skills to put stuff together like you do! I like the cars, but I dont try to conquer the world in them. For me driving is about having fun, and I think a purist well set up n/a hachi is the most fun you can have in a car - but thats me. Im also enjoying this thread, its like educated "arguing" - all sides have their good points.

Keep updating with your 86! im interested to see how it goes.

cheers,
Gav

pro_k
18th April 2006, 10:07 AM
Its quite obvious that slydar was waiting to attack improved. Its got a lot to do with jealousy!

The drift boy (slydar and his friends) will never come close to building a car like improved's. Its all talk... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Improved - these guys understand nothing about racing. I doubt any of them know how to drive quick or have any real racing experience. Just wannabe Takumi's. Therefore they will never get their heads around the facts of having IRS and its advantages.

Its a shame we will not have anymore progress reports from improved...we all could have learnt something from this.

AEGZE
18th April 2006, 10:26 AM
^^^

agreed, if anybody saw the amount of effort and how much planning adam puts into his sprinter, they wouldnt say shit like they did. just JEALOUSY that they cant afford a project like that.

see u on the 30th http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

monkeymajik
18th April 2006, 04:58 PM
I think slydar was just having a go at improved due to the large amount of nissan parts in his toyota. I actually chuckled when I read the comment. Unfortunatly it was taken rather personally and it degenerated into a pissing contest from there.

The ego meter is going off the scale in this thread. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/fap.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/fap.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/fap.gif

Yes improved's car is impressive and ALOT of work has gone into it. No it's not every toyota enthusist's cup of tea.

SprinterTRD
18th April 2006, 09:31 PM
Cool reading Adam,

I think people dont understand that a drift setup is totally different to a Race setup

decoyslikecurves
19th April 2006, 01:02 AM
Great reading, you know what you are talking about.

Just a point - I think the basics of a drift and a circuit setup on most cars is fairly similar - in that a well set up drift car can get descent times on a circuit, and a well set up circuit car can drift well.
ae86's - I'm not sure...

With the IRS, do you find that the rear geometry changes under load? as in.... can it make it unpredictable in comparison to the solid rear end when you are throwing the car around instead of smooth grip driving?

I apologise for any hostility that I may have showed before, intentions were innocent critisism with intent to learn more rather than just blunt stupidity.

gav

3sglevin
19th April 2006, 10:21 AM
All of the crap of the start of this tread aside this is a great thread and it is great to see that people are willing to share what they are doing, more importantly how they are doing it and what challenges they are facing to make it all work, I have been racing for a couple of years and always want to learn more and more about how to make my car faster. Unfortunately for me I can not put an IRS in my car as the rules of my class wont allow it, but that doesn't mean I cant learn from this project. I rekon it is great that someone wants to share all this with us. Good work and I am glad you decided to keep the information coming.

otomoto
19th April 2006, 06:38 PM
Great stuff Adam. I'm a bit like you with the 'like I care' thing. The car is an ongoing development and obviously the end result is going to be extraordinary.
Good information from someone who knows exactly what they're on about. More people should take it on board as it will save them a hell of a lot of time and effort in the setup department, rather than criticising.

Cheers,

Jeremy.

E V A N
19th April 2006, 07:13 PM
I have found that my car has plenty of grip with the live axle.
Maybe IRS is better but i wouldn't bother i am happy.
Great car man

slydar
19th April 2006, 07:17 PM
i only glanced over the original post. i saw you had an s15 craddle, i assumed you used it. i also assumed you would go to the trouble of procuring and s15 craddle because there was some signifcant improvement, more as likely if there were developments, it would be in geometry.

i never openly criticized your workmanship, or the fact the even by your own admissions the slightly compromised s13 type irs is definately a better system than a live axle.

i wasnt name dropping btw, you asked who they were, i answered. grants car is not a space from btw. it uses a honeycombe tub with detachable/ajustable subframes. (like a tvr speed 12).

like i said, i bated you, and you took it. one small off hand remark is all it took.

i just think its a little lame coming on here being all "check out how awesome i am" after this was your first post here...



"Here is a post that you might find interesting , or will just delete anyway .

http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=m...173073f4b35c47b

Don't bother replying here , as i won't bother checking this forum"[/b]

what changed your mind? or have you just burned too many bridges at toymods for anyone to care.

anyway, like i said before, ill leave you to it, i do respect your work and knowlege, just not your attitude.

otomoto
19th April 2006, 07:21 PM
I have found that my car has plenty of grip with the live axle.
Maybe IRS is better but i wouldn't bother i am happy.
Great car man[/b]

y0 Ev. I agree totally with you there, but things get a lot different when you're putting 300+hp through the old 4-link setup... As I'm discovering http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/7/5/4/536981.jpg

slydar
19th April 2006, 07:26 PM
so how do nascars/v8 super cars do it? its all in the set up. it can be made to work, never in the same manner, or ever quite as well, but it can work.

roadsailing
19th April 2006, 07:46 PM
V8 supercars are slower than formula fords and drive on racetracks all the time. if a nascar ran over a cigarrette butt it would flip over and explode.

you have to remember that this car is daily driven on melbourne's shittiest roads.

and while we are on taxis, V8 supercars don't have diffs, doesn't mean that its a good thing!

paint your car adam! (guess you have to now)

SprinterTRD
19th April 2006, 07:56 PM
Slydar,

V8 supercars use canber plates to try and make the rear end work, the whole suspension package on them is a compremise.

Anthony
19th April 2006, 08:25 PM
Sorry to continue slightly off topic but does anyone know why the V8s dont run lsd's?

Nice job btw, although I draw the line at an IRS swap for a Hachi (for a few reasons the least of which is not the fact that it must have been a huge PITA).

SprinterTRD
19th April 2006, 08:48 PM
The rules say they are not alowed to use them

roadsailing
19th April 2006, 09:00 PM
its so they can do sik skids

in class racign it isn't a bad idea, sure a locker isn't that great, but when everyone has them, everyone has the same disadvantage. i'd say it is to keep cost down.

SprinterTRD
19th April 2006, 09:16 PM
Hey Adam Stop trying to educate the uneducated, save youself the anguish, just concentrate on getting it finished dont make it like my car a 6 year effort!

SprinterTRD
19th April 2006, 09:44 PM
Cant see the pics

SprinterTRD
19th April 2006, 09:54 PM
Still cannot see any pics, No pic holders either

SprinterTRD
19th April 2006, 09:58 PM
Yeh

roadsailing
19th April 2006, 10:00 PM
i can see the pics fine, can see the welding clearly in all its glory http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

slydar
19th April 2006, 10:11 PM
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i only glanced over the original post. i saw you had an s15 craddle, i assumed you used it. i also assumed you would go to the trouble of procuring and s15 craddle because there was some signifcant improvement, more as likely if there were developments, it would be in geometry.

i never openly criticized your workmanship, or the fact the even by your own admissions the slightly compromised s13 type irs is definately a better system than a live axle.

i wasnt name dropping btw, you asked who they were, i answered. grants car is not a space from btw. it uses a honeycombe tub with detachable/ajustable subframes. (like a tvr speed 12).

like i said, i bated you, and you took it. one small off hand remark is all it took.

i just think its a little lame coming on here being all "check out how awesome i am" after this was your first post here...



"Here is a post that you might find interesting , or will just delete anyway .

http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=m...173073f4b35c47b

Don't bother replying here , as i won't bother checking this forum"[/b]

what changed your mind? or have you just burned too many bridges at toymods for anyone to care.

anyway, like i said before, ill leave you to it, i do respect your work and knowlege, just not your attitude.
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What different story it is from you now http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif You glanced http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/dry.gif what bullshit as last night you where on this post for what might have been a hour . So before you want to start on my you will think twice and might read the post first . Bated http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif is was just telling you how misinformed you are and your look at me http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif rubbish anyone would think i had posted i was making a 800hp ae86 http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif Attitude for fuckwits like you yes
And toymods is dead unless you didn't notice its for ass lickers sucking up to each other with a stupid points system . I am more a fighting the system type of person unless you cannot tell http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ohmy.gif Maybe you and your other mates who seem to be silent now can go there http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif . Still no answer on the s15 rear for us , guess your not as smart as you think . Don't come back on this thread i have wasted time on you http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sleepy.gif
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last night? you started the thread on the 15th. im replying from a computer at work. its left logged in the for days at a time.

not reading? look at the post you quoted. i said i made an assumption about you using the s15 rear end, and about it being any better. i dont know, but seeing as youre not letting on, i doubt you do either http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

SprinterTRD
19th April 2006, 10:45 PM
Damm firewall, its stopping me from seeing the pics

If you can lift the car via the gards, it meets the bedford specs!!

slydar
19th April 2006, 10:47 PM
you make me smile http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

SprinterTRD
19th April 2006, 10:50 PM
Who makes you smile?

Joel-AE86
19th April 2006, 11:28 PM
madd shit Adam.

All props to you!

Cant wait to see your car in action...owning all wak ae86 purists.

I run whatever setup in my car works best for me. I couldnt care less of the manufacturer or origin.

Little Jon
19th April 2006, 11:28 PM
my hachi has cut falcon springs...
im taking it to the track on monday... all day!






are you going to the track on monday?? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/greenbounce.gif

RB20DET_Silvia
20th April 2006, 02:31 AM
Hey,

Come on this is Andy show him a bit of respect he aint no takium fag from boostcrusing.com he is one of the best hachi drivers in Australia to date!

Great build up keep it coming mate.

- Luke

Dxaqta
20th April 2006, 08:45 PM
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my hachi has cut falcon springs...
im taking it to the track on monday... all day!






are you going to the track on monday?? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/greenbounce.gif[/b]

What me ? its the state round first event for the year will be at sandown all weekend
What is it with you as well enjoy pulling the handbrake and yourself and if you have nothing to add to the thread goodbye .
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f**k your a loser, ur some snoby prick u dont belong on these fourms, u think ur so much better then everyone else have some respect.

Dxaqta
20th April 2006, 11:20 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^ you u dumbass

SprinterTRD
20th April 2006, 11:32 PM
From his explenaitions about why he is doing the mods he is far from being a dumbass.

pro_k
20th April 2006, 11:38 PM
Oh NO! Another Drift boy has arrived!

Makes me want to not have anything to do with AE86's anymore. Imagine what will happen when some of these guys actually get cars and start driving on public roads...

Anyway back on topic -

Quite enjoying the information improved - Well done man.

RB20DET_Silvia
21st April 2006, 01:16 AM
Andy knows and damn site more then most the lads on here that just talk there shit and do nothing....he has been in the australian scene for so long......along with the people like josh, simon, and beau he has helped people see that the hachi is great car to drift.

With out people like them the hachi scene in Australia would not be as big as it is......Andy is one of the most helpful and genuine guys i know to date.

All i got from posting up wanting to know who the locals are.....were crazy people who add me to msn then give me threats etc....alot of wankers are on here.....its almost like this forum is turning into another boostcruising.com.

As i said before great build up but dont even start to give shit to the guys who made the hachi name in Oz what it is today.

- Luke

SprinterTRD
21st April 2006, 01:26 AM
I think it was improved 86 that was given shit by other people who didnt like the mod.

I dont know who Andy is but i can garantee that the popularity of the 86 was influenced by Initial D.

There were people playing with the 86 in Australia way before Initial D ever surfaced!

Bustin_86
21st April 2006, 01:01 PM
nice build up man.

I dont supose you could give me a few tips on flaring guards possibly? i dont really understand how to do it...

I would appreciate it a lot.

Justin

slydar
21st April 2006, 01:20 PM
Thats why out of your posted people of drift you will not be seeing simon for one at any events in the future http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ohmy.gif[/b]

thats great! simon is a fucking theif. its as simple as that. im not going to comment on the rest. i agree with some of it for sure.

LAZY
21st April 2006, 03:28 PM
Top gear - "Live axle, it's like running with your shoe laces untied"

AEGZE
21st April 2006, 07:22 PM
slydar, simon is 1 of the best drifters in aus..stop giving people shit cuz its gonna hit u back twice as hard. why dont u learn to b friendlier to people. all he is doin is letting people know what he's doin with his car, and people can learn off him. just because u own a workshop doesnt mean ur any better than him.

Bustin_86
21st April 2006, 08:33 PM
wow, thanks a lot man, i didnt expect you to go into such graphic detail...i really appreciate that bro. Bloody awesome description. What did you use to make the actual flare piece that you welded on? was it just a normal piece of metal that you shaped etc?

Thanks a lot for the description mate...you really know your shit.

Much Appreciated,

Justin

Joel-AE86
21st April 2006, 09:19 PM
This is the funniest/most informative thread i've read in ages!

Top info Adam.

rallystanza
22nd April 2006, 08:25 PM
Nice work on the car Adam, and as I think Joel thinks, its funny seeing the battles rage.

Interesting ideas on your bealf as usual.

Look forward to coming and having a look at it all soon!

Jez

Simon-AE86
24th April 2006, 08:23 PM
Good work adam, you know ive always been interested in what you do and i'll back you and your knowledge 100% all the way.

To everyone else.. cut Adam some slack.. he is one of the most genuine knowledgeable guys i have met in the so called ae86 tuning scene. he has helped me out so much on my past and current cars with tuning tips and information that many of you will never have access too.

Slydar: you are an idiot

slydar
25th April 2006, 08:19 AM
nup. still here http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

simon = gayness.

AEGZE
26th April 2006, 10:22 AM
LOL @ adam's signature..

do u think ur car will be ready on sunday? would love to see it run. i've pmed u a few days ago..i need some help on my engine

owen

SprinterTRD
26th April 2006, 01:58 PM
I agree with Adam, I no longer take my sprinter to any gatherings as there is allways some d_head there doing the wrong thing. Pity really.

Nice pics of the flares, Adam with your exellent work you may try lead filling the weld, much more reliable than BOG, but alot harder to master.

Dxaqta
26th April 2006, 09:51 PM
do u have a job??? cause damn u do alot of work on ur hachi.

shift_rook
26th April 2006, 10:11 PM
do u have a job??? cause damn u do alot of work on ur hachi.[/b]

I had 12 days off in a row , i spent 2 looking for parts and 9 days of over 10 hours per day working on the car straight to get it to the stage of ready for all parts to go back in for good .

Dxaqta
26th April 2006, 10:13 PM
thats a good effort, keep it up

ae86dave
27th April 2006, 04:48 AM
yup^^^

sr_rolla
27th April 2006, 11:12 PM
Why only 10hrs a day, what did you do with the other 14, sleep or something http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

Seriously, its good to see someone pushing the boundries a little, I dont entirely agree with you on everything you've done but i do agree that cicuit racing gives you a better idea on how to make a car handle than drifting. Don't get me wrong, I recon drifting is fun as, but its turning into another sport that very much "only x brand stuff works and thats it". Circuit racing is still more about pushing the envelope, not just spend money and have fun. In my opinion, what your doing is awesome, Nissan, toyota, mazda who cares, use whatever works. I've got nissan, mazda, toyota, peugeot, datsun and a fair bit of stuff lyin around at pick & payless that happened to fit aswell as custom parts.

The only part thing I really disagree on is the IRS, I mean its your car but personally, I believe that a well set up 4 link is just as good as IRS in a circuit car. I know you have really done your homework, but I think you may end up doing a lot of custom work to make this setup work right. I personally believe that the sprinter has one of the best setups around suspension wise, sure it can be improved on but IRS http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/huh.gif
The sprinter kicked the absolute shit out of nearly everything it came up against in compitition world wide.
I mean they won in the BTCC (Against 2l opposition), at Bathurst they owned in there class, and did well in the class above (under 3000cc's) from 83-91 or 92. The only thing they really need is power, I mean in handling terms, a well setup sprinter will beat a GTR (regardless of grunt) or a WRX (fulsic shitboxes) through a good set of bends any day (as long as jim richards isnt driving the GTR). I guess what im sayin is, yes it is an awesome ride but i just really hope you dont end up killing the drivability of the car with all the mods.

No doubt it will own but http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/cool.gif

SprinterTRD
27th April 2006, 11:17 PM
Trust me the Bathurst cars were far from standard & IRS will be better in the long run once set up correctly

sr_rolla
27th April 2006, 11:32 PM
Granted, the bathurst sprinters weren't stock, but there not as modified as you would think, Improvedae86's car is way more modified, even without the IRS. I know this because theres one up the road in the window of the museum, (I live in Bathurst by the way) and I had a good look at it today in hopes to find a solution to my suspension problems. There fully rose jointed and every thing is adjustable but some of these drift tools (sorry just couldn't help myself http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif ) have got more mods to the suspension. Most of the visible mods to those things were things like roll cages (duh), air jacks, radio eqip. etc. but now days theres heaps of cars more modified than them.

I recon that the IRS may end up being a little quicker round a track but I wouldnt expect miracles and just cause its quicker doesnt make it better http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

This is still a street car right http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/huh.gif

Either way this thing still rocks http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/cool.gif

I really like how you did those flares man, well done

roadsailing
27th April 2006, 11:39 PM
the bathurst cars might not have looked very modified, but this is what cheating is all about.

sr_rolla
28th April 2006, 12:06 AM
OK then, forget driveline, were just talking suspension now.
we'll say that they cheated, they were still 4 link in the rear with a panard bar & they still had macpherson struts in the front, the brakes look similar to a RA60 celica.
The front castor arms are located by a rose joint at the front that is mounted at 90 degrees to how the standard bush is located (silvia style), they are mounted to the control arms by a rose joint.
The control arms are fabricated from rond tube and have the standard ball joint at one end and the body end is rose jointed. The front sway bar is mounted to the chassis instead if to that front suspesion thingy and is attached to the control arms by rose jointed linkages.

Im sure they would have stuffed around with mounting points etc. and we can argue all day about how modified they are, but the facts are that they still had a 4 link rear with a panard bar and macpherson struts in the front, and they still owned at bathurst, even with shit gear ratios (for the circuit) and stuff all horsepower.

and if you want to talk about real cheating, have a look at anything nissan did between 1980 and 1994 in this country, some of the shit they did was dodgy as http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/blink.gif

RIC3 86
28th April 2006, 12:35 AM
HEY...ADAM NICE WORK.... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif ...BUT REMEMBER NOT MUCH TIME LEFT..... REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE YOU IN CALDER PARK ON SUNDAY...
ADD OIL.....GO...GO....GO...

SprinterTRD
28th April 2006, 09:24 AM
OK then, forget driveline, were just talking suspension now.
we'll say that they cheated, they were still 4 link in the rear with a panard bar & they still had macpherson struts in the front, the brakes look similar to a RA60 celica.
The front castor arms are located by a rose joint at the front that is mounted at 90 degrees to how the standard bush is located (silvia style), they are mounted to the control arms by a rose joint.
The control arms are fabricated from rond tube and have the standard ball joint at one end and the body end is rose jointed. The front sway bar is mounted to the chassis instead if to that front suspesion thingy and is attached to the control arms by rose jointed linkages.

Im sure they would have stuffed around with mounting points etc. and we can argue all day about how modified they are, but the facts are that they still had a 4 link rear with a panard bar and macpherson struts in the front, and they still owned at bathurst, even with shit gear ratios (for the circuit) and stuff all horsepower.

and if you want to talk about real cheating, have a look at anything nissan did between 1980 and 1994 in this country, some of the shit they did was dodgy as http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/blink.gif[/b]

I actually own one of the first TTA sprinters so I know what has been done!

sr_rolla
28th April 2006, 07:31 PM
If you have a TRD sprinter, a real one, I have a few questions
1) do you or have you had a stock sprinter to compare it to
2) if so, are the suspension mounting points the same or are they all over the place

as your aware, i know there rose jointed etc, just curious to know if they moved the mounting points to the body if so, would you be able to tell me by how much and how there different http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

also, do you live in the sydney area, if so can I measure everything up so I can copy it...

SprinterTRD
28th April 2006, 09:33 PM
See for yourself

This car was built by TRD japan for the USA but was sent here......

http://www.members.westnet.com.au/sprintertrd/

Simmilar but different

roadsailing
28th April 2006, 11:34 PM
ah, sprinterTRD, now i can put a face to a name.

you will be pleased to know that clayton's engine is still going strong.

nice front LCA ball joint setup, is that original?

i wonder if you can still get TRD LCA spacers, and if they would be cheap, somehow i think no you can't and no they wouldn't be.

SprinterTRD
28th April 2006, 11:46 PM
Road sailing, Thats good to hear that he is happy with it!

Yep thats original TRD stuff, I think it was all custom made by TRD so it would not be available, not to mention it was made a long time ago.

sr_rolla
29th April 2006, 12:19 AM
The sway bars are different to the one in the motorsport museum, other than that they are the same

Little Jon
29th April 2006, 12:57 AM
what i think most sprinter owners' problem is,
they dont realise that Sprinters are 20 year old corrollas!

its a toyota gemini! I drift one because its cheap and nasty and i dont care if i smash it!

please people, if you want a fast car, buy a GTR or an EVO!!!

improvedae86: i acknowledge your passion and dedication to your ae86! your knowledge is foremost. but you come across as opinionated, as if you have something to prove! and it bugs people!

however, good luck to you and your IRS 86! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

ps if you can give me input as to how i can improve on my setup, pls pm me for details about my susp. i would like to have a second opinion.