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mattysshop
20th June 2006, 02:40 PM
Parts/special tools required

* AE82/AE92, 4AGE/4AFE oil cooler
* " ", sandwich plate bolted on the block
* AE82/AE92 4AGE/4AFE sump with oil return
* approx 3m of oil cooler hose 3/8 size
* 4 good quality hose clamps to suit
* if the old one is shagged, a new sandwich plate o-ring (toyota genuine about $7 RRP) not much to cross reference with, so i just used a genuine one..
* 1 1/16 socket
* carby cleaner or similar (thinners/brake cleaner/white spirits)
* pack of various copper washers
so basically raid the same car at the wreckers http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif



first step is to take your old filter off..

then use the 1 1/16 socket to undo the thread fitting in the center..

clean up the oil that is there with a rag.. clean the surface of the block with some carby cleaner etc.. spray it on the rag and wipe it, not inside the engine.. (silly i know, but i saw someone do it!) ..

clean surface of plate.. put new oring in.. use the longer thread fitting and washer you got off the other motor, and fit.. use locator pin on some 4AGE blocks.. if not just some washers and a bolt will do..

tighten up nice and firm not overkill..

best to put the hose onto the fittings befor putting them on the engine..

clean the end of the hose your putting on, and the fitting with carby cleaner.. i used a bit of cheap acrylic spray paint i had lying around as a lube.. (don't use oil or it may weap) the paint then dries and makes a nice seal http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

both fittings like this on the engine.. then fit to the engine.. with the new copper washers either side of the banjo exactly like you took them off..

the oil cooler i'm using is off an AE82 twinky.. i bent the bracket it had across the bottom from being level with the front, to 90deg angle.. the 2 bolt holes in the bracket lines up perfectly with the 2 taced nuts in the radiator support panel.. so it just bolted in place and stays put nicley http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

run the hose to correct lengthand fit to oil cooler in the same fashin as before..

hose clamp it up... use some thinners on a clean rag to go over the hose (if you used something like speedflow hose, or aeroquip etc..)

run car and check for leaks..

ae86trueno
20th June 2006, 03:20 PM
Good info,
I was going to do the same to my car, but i cant fit a sanwdidge plate as i cant get the filter on without taking off the extractors, not to mention being way to close. So i have to run a remote filter and the only place where there is any room is the other side of the engine bay next to the fuel filter http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/angry.gif
Im not to keen on running that much extra oil line but i might not have any choice,
ill see how it goes.

Ben.

mattysshop
20th June 2006, 03:37 PM
yeh it does put the filter close to the extractors.. when i make some i'll keep that in mind.. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

driftism
20th June 2006, 06:23 PM
what is the valve on the 4age sandwich plates for? is it a pressure release valve, like the one that is normally inside the filter?

doesn't fitting this plate on, and then bypassing the return oil gallery to the engine bypass the bottom end bearings? or does it still allow some oil through?

upgarage
20th June 2006, 06:58 PM
Good info,
I was going to do the same to my car, but i cant fit a sanwdidge plate as i cant get the filter on without taking off the extractors, not to mention being way to close. So i have to run a remote filter and the only place where there is any room is the other side of the engine bay next to the fuel filter http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/angry.gif
Im not to keen on running that much extra oil line but i might not have any choice,
ill see how it goes.

Ben.[/b]

whats wrong with running extra line
increases your oil capacity and the pressure drop would be negligible

upgarage
20th June 2006, 06:59 PM
what is the valve on the 4age sandwich plates for? is it a pressure release valve, like the one that is normally inside the filter?

doesn't fitting this plate on, and then bypassing the return oil gallery to the engine bypass the bottom end bearings? or does it still allow some oil through?[/b]

the valve u speak of is the thermostat
bypasses the oilcooler when the oil is cold
oil still goes through the oil filter as per usual

selk
20th June 2006, 08:06 PM
any benefits having the oil return line to the sump instead of going back from the cooler to the sandwich plate ?

slide86
20th June 2006, 08:12 PM
run car and check for leaks..[/b]
hahahaha i like that part
i remember when u left my house one day and the road was wet and i saw about 2 litres of oil where u were parked rofl.
called u straight away to see wtf was going on.

pumpkinking
20th June 2006, 08:36 PM
ah with out sounding stupid but you bought this oil cooler from a wreckers or Toy?

Big T
20th June 2006, 09:48 PM
any benefits having the oil return line to the sump instead of going back from the cooler to the sandwich plate ?[/b]

The standard sandwich plate doesn't allow you to run the oil back into the plate. It's a low pressure cooler system so bypassing to the sump is a must.

Eddie.

mattysshop
21st June 2006, 08:54 AM
the plate doesn't block any passages off.. it's a bog stock factory plate that come out on most 4AGE/4AFE's in the ae82/92 rolla range..

bought off the wreckers... ha! can't remember the last time i did that! more like 'wow did you see that just fly over the fence??'

Cass - i knew you would say that.. that is now fixed.. the drama was a weaping sandwhich plate oring.. all good now though!! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif thats why it's still clean down there!

Dxaqta
21st June 2006, 09:32 AM
where do u get the sandwich plate from???

mattysshop
21st June 2006, 11:49 AM
FWD 4age/4afe ae82/ae92 rolla.. most of them run factory oil coolers.. all this stuff is toyota genuine.. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

upgarage
21st June 2006, 03:49 PM
can find them on celicas and ae95's too

Dxaqta
21st June 2006, 04:04 PM
ok thanks people pick and payless here i come

biggo
21st June 2006, 04:13 PM
Matty - whats the go with the stock gze cooler? Im under the impression that its water cooled and so wont work?

Also, HAS IT MADE A DIFFERENCE?

Peace http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

mattysshop
21st June 2006, 10:51 PM
the what??? stock GZE cooler? dunno what your looking at... but a stock GZE intercooler is air to air... this is an oil cooler..

although they are small and quite effective.. it is winter, but it seems to be effective in the fact that the temperature stays more stable.. doesn't creep up after heaps of fanging at low speed and or stop start etc.. like skid pan stuff.. or drift days where there may not be alot of air going straight through the radiator... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

mattysshop
21st June 2006, 10:55 PM
also i haven't seen a factory GZE with one of these plates and an oil cooler on it..

upgarage - yep.. i have an AE94 hatch that i gave to my dad.. 4AFE with one of these coolers.. it seems to be the cars that came with air con, maybe due to the condensor? and or the climate in australia where the cars were designed for.. not many jap halfcuts i have seen use them if any..

biggo
22nd June 2006, 04:39 PM
LOl @ matty

No man, i meant the stock gze oil cooler sandwitchplate thingy. Had a look at mine, and yes its just a sandwhich plate. Needs holes drilled and fittings connected to make it all work. OH and a HOLE in the sump http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

And yair, ive seen the lil coolers on 4afe's aswell. Strange i know but meh.

mattysshop
22nd June 2006, 05:55 PM
ha ha i thought i might have read that wrong.. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif what sandwhich plate are you talking about?!

is yours similar to a 20V one? where it's pretty much a spacer???

biggo
23rd June 2006, 06:41 PM
Nah, mines an aw11 one, has all the outlet holes and stuff but no thread or fittings. Nor did it have a sump line. But later (map) models could have reveived better treatment http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

mattysshop
27th June 2006, 06:03 PM
ahhhhhhhhhhhh http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif i see

Mad RS
29th June 2006, 05:08 PM
Matt, the hose that you used for the oil cooler?? Was it the Aeroquip hose that is rated to 250psi or 17 bar??

mattysshop
29th June 2006, 06:07 PM
yep sure is

part number - FC 332 - 06 AQP in 3/8 size http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif looks shmic http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

Mad RS
29th June 2006, 09:12 PM
Yeah Anthony put me onto it. No problems so far with the oil line bulging because of too much heat??? I need the 16mm ID stuff, a little hard to find off the shelf but its what I am going to use when I fit my cooler.

mattysshop
30th June 2006, 08:40 AM
that hose cost about $23 / m... if you go into yout local Pirtek store.. (see whitepages) get a few meters of multi purpose hose.. 500psi rated.. and it's half the price of the areoquip stuff!

Dxaqta
25th August 2006, 04:24 PM
hey matty can u repost the pictures up

dctrd
12th February 2007, 08:17 PM
Is this aeroquip hose you speak of plain rubber, or is it fancy braided stuff?
Did anyone have dramas with rubber hose so close to the extractors?

I'm building a 4AGE and need to decide between fitting braided hoses with screw-on fittings (at $50+ each) or the standard barb+clamp setup and don't want to melt an oil line.

Sorry to dig up an old thread.

mattysshop
13th February 2007, 09:08 AM
the aeroquip hose is just rubber.. but it's got a material coating?? on it.. just don't wrap the line around your extractors and you will be fine.. factory from toyota they ran your average rubber oil pressure hose..

dctrd
13th February 2007, 08:12 PM
Cheers for that, i'll probably end up using the rubber hose with clamp fittings.

mattysshop
18th February 2007, 06:52 PM
pics re uploaded

AmyC
18th February 2007, 08:46 PM
Hitting the wreckers tomorrow for this gear, Thanks for the info http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

kiwi
18th March 2007, 09:57 PM
Hey guys
Wanted to know whether or not i could fit one of the ae92 oil coolers on my 4k motor.
The hole for the oil filters( ae92 and 4k) looks to be the same size but dont know about the gauge of the thread, i know the 4k filter has a slightly larger o-ring to seal it and im not going to be able to use the same sump but ill be able to retrouse the longer thread fitting.
Am i going to be able to use the use the longer thread fitting ??

kiwi
18th March 2007, 10:00 PM
retro fit, not retrouse, goddam it

slide86
22nd March 2007, 02:04 AM
i take it that you fitted the sump?

they are the same as the normal 4age one, but with the return? yes?

ps tops write up man, good work

kiwi
29th March 2007, 07:07 PM
yea they are the return line ones, yes. Iv got the sump part covered i just want to know whether or not the sandwich plate will fit onto the 4k motor?.

anastasios
29th March 2007, 11:30 PM
yea i would be interested to see if anyone knows which sandwich plates can be used on a 5k oilfilter aswell

ke25 racer
29th March 2007, 11:33 PM
yea i would be interested to see if anyone knows which sandwich plates can be used on a 5k oilfilter aswell[/b]

i still have my sandwich plate and hoses and cooler from the 5k if you are interested.

anastasios
30th March 2007, 12:12 PM
sure am! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

kiwi
30th March 2007, 07:22 PM
Let me know how it went.?? does anyone else know

dr1ft-pig
5th April 2007, 10:41 AM
will this setup work on the 20v....pretty sure sump will fit and pretty sure sandwich plate will fit but just wanting confirmation

kiwi
19th April 2007, 09:17 PM
So has anyone tried putting the sandwich plate onto a 4k motor?
With what type of results?

dr1ft-pig
30th April 2007, 10:55 AM
i have confirmation... this setup will work on 20v but the sump will not fit i had to drill hole in sump and screw fitting into it for the oil returen... the sandwich plate fits perfect and line up with everything its sposed to...

brendan

Jonny Rochester
30th April 2007, 10:50 PM
The oil filter threads and mounting surface is the same for most small Toyotas. (Everything except HiLux and Landcruiser). The 4AG oil filter will also fit the 5K and 4K. But the older 3Ks are different because they have a weird arse tube going through the oil filter.

Note the AE86 also had a factory oil cooler in other countries as described above. Almost the exact same parts as AE82/AE92. Close enough anyway. I'm going to the wreckers to get mine.

I have a 20v so won't be buying the sump. I will make a fitting and weld it into the sump. I wonder why my AE101 20v never had a oil cooler?

I also have the aftermarket sandwich plate for a full flow high pressure oil cooler. More race car style. The TRD Levin Bible only shows pics of the aftermarket full flow oil cooler. I fitted a full flow oil cooler and remote filter to the Galant and it ended up being very expencive, with alloy earls fittings and expensive 250psi tube etc.

I was a mechanic at a Toyota dealership back in 1993 when the AE92s were still new. I was fitting A/C to alot of them and noticed the oil cooler. Some had oil coolers, some didn't. They were fitted before I got to them so nothing to do with A/C. I could not work it out, random. Some had cooler, some not.

Sorry for the long story.

parrot
1st May 2007, 12:03 AM
You can pickup a thermostatically controlled sandwich plate from Mocal pretty cheaply that enables you to run an outlet and return line from the sandwich plate to the cooler, and being thermostatically controlled it only allows flow to the cooler when the oil is hot rather than all the time as the factory setup does. Plus avoids buggering about with sump returns. I lashed out and put together a remote filter setup also along with the fancy aeroquip hose which does not require swaging fittings so easy to make up your own lines. The hose just pushes on to the fittings. At the moment I am debating where to mount the remote filter which will be partly dictated by how big a filter I fit as I am not constrained to the micro 4AGE filter anymore.

kiwi
3rd May 2007, 08:42 PM
Cool thanks Jonny. Will start scouring the wreckers.

ArJay
6th May 2007, 12:19 AM
Another question regarding this for ya'll in the know....

Is it possible/ok to run this setup inline with an oil cooled turbo if I "removed" the thermostat? If no what's the best means of doing this?

The car is a track car so not super worried about oil temps at idle etc....just wondering if there would be a pressure drop difference that might cook the turb if it and the cooler were inline...

R:)

Jonny Rochester
6th May 2007, 02:31 AM
You can run any combination of oil cooler, turbo etc you want. But remember this. The turbo needs about 10psi oil pressure at idle, and above 30psi when things get going. This varies with different turbos, look up the specs of your turbo on the garret website. The old style bushed turbo will want lots of oil pressure, as much as your oil pump will give. A ball bearing turbo only needs less oil pressure, and may smoke it its given too much. The further away from the oil pump you take a oil line, the less pressure. For a old bushed turbo, you want 1 oil pressure line from the pressure switch hole or oil filter housing to the turbo, with a good free flowing return to the sump, with no complications. With a ball bearing turbo, the oil feed can come from elsewhere, maybe even from a T peice after a oil cooler? (as long as the oil cooler gets full pressure all the time).

The factory AE86/82/82 oil coolers do not get full oil pressure all the time. They only flow oil once the engine revs up to produce excess pressure.

ArJay
6th May 2007, 04:33 PM
Thanks heaps JR...

That's really handy info. We're using one of the Hitachi turbs from a 20b rotary....pretty sure it's just bushed.

If I removed the spring and valve from the sandwich plate in the factory AE86/82/82 oil cooler setup would that mean that we'd get full pressure thru the system?

Cheers mate.
Rory http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

Jonny Rochester
6th May 2007, 04:49 PM
If I removed the spring and valve from the sandwich plate in the factory AE86/82/82 oil cooler setup would that mean that we'd get full pressure thru the system?[/b]

Yes I think you could do this, and use that to suply the turbo.

ArJay
6th May 2007, 11:17 PM
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If I removed the spring and valve from the sandwich plate in the factory AE86/82/82 oil cooler setup would that mean that we'd get full pressure thru the system?[/b]

Yes I think you could do this, and use that to suply the turbo.
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Thanks again JR. Actually saw what you said in the previous post about running the line from the oil pressure sender hole to the turb. That sounds the better option I reckon. Then setup the 4afe cooler as per this thread...

Would the oil cooler reduce coolant and overall engine temperature as a residual result? You would think....

R:)

ArJay
8th May 2007, 02:50 PM
Another question regarding this setup.
Would this cooler be ok using a full flow sandwich plate instead of the stock item and sump?

R:)

dr1ft-pig
8th May 2007, 02:58 PM
here is what sandwich plate looks like on rwd 20v setup... as you can see you will have to run oil line through engine mount... sound dodgy but looks the goods http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/120300.jpg

Jonny Rochester
8th May 2007, 08:01 PM
Another question regarding this setup.
Would this cooler be ok using a full flow sandwich plate instead of the stock item and sump?

R:)[/b]


I would say no. Because the stock oil cooler is used at low pressure with normal rubber hose and spring clamps or hose clamps.

So if you want to use the stock cooler at full oil pressure, you would have to weld on propper screw fittings. Maybe good hose and hose clamps done up tight would do it. But if it fails, that's ALL of your oil and oil pressure gone.

And for turbo oil suply, you need to think about oil pressure and volume. Some turbos don't like full pressure, and you need to put a jet in the line.

KuRt
7th June 2007, 05:02 PM
can you run the remote oil filter lines into a oil cooler thats what i was going to do???

dr1ft-pig
11th June 2007, 08:49 PM
yes u can callum, not with this setup though, well maybe but not worth fucking round

dewar
10th September 2008, 10:33 PM
anyone have a proper write up with pics?