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filfilfil
18th March 2009, 11:26 PM
Given Kid Karola's IPRA I was interested in everyones Lap Times for Mallala in their Toyota (preferably Sprinters).
Please list some car config details like:

Engine - type, rwkw's, cams, turbo, supercharger
Brakes - Pads, mods
Suspension - swaybays, spring rates, shocks
Diff - ratio, LSD
GBox - T50, W55, W58 etc
Tires & Rims
Body - stripped road, race only, road etc

or links to your build...

Yes I am shamelessly researching but you can have a bit of glory!

Chairs with flares
21st March 2009, 10:47 PM
I got 1:35...
In a 2006 Mazda 2 hatchback...

And 1:38 in a 2006 Yaris hatch...


Both auto, I think it was cus the Mazda was purple...

Definately...

James86
21st March 2009, 11:00 PM
I did a 1.38 in my old AE86 which is average compared to most SA guys.

Engine - Stock 4AGE
Brakes - Stock ADM brakes with EBC black pads
Suspension - 6kg rear springs, 7kg Fronts KYB shocks all round
Diff - Locked T series
GBox - T50
Tires & Rims- 14X8 & 14X7.5 with 2nd hand GIIIs
Body - Rear stripped- seats....street car

I think i could have taken another 3 secs off that time with more practice, was my first time out.

And in the red JZX81 buddyparts had i did a 1.28.8.....again.....could have done 1.25 with more practice and driving time in the car.

filfilfil
22nd March 2009, 12:19 AM
Good stuff guys....

Mallala is a power track and notoriously hard on brakes so stockish sprinters are not going to do amazingly without flowing corners...still fun though to find braking and grip limits!

Best I did in my MG Midget was a 1.30... not bad for a road going 1300cc.
My 13b EFI rotary BMW 323 did 1.32's before I put in the LSD but never got back there to see the improvements!
I did 1.18's on the U-Drive renta formula Fords but that doesnt count with the cones on the corners...
Cant wait to get the sprinter out there!


Mazda was purple......LOL!!


And in the red JZX81 buddyparts had i did a 1.28.8......You know you are moving around the 1.30's or less out there!

Keep it coming.

Gavatron
22nd March 2009, 12:16 PM
I got 1:35...
In a 2006 Mazda 2 hatchback...

And 1:38 in a 2006 Yaris hatch...


Both auto, I think it was cus the Mazda was purple...

Definately...

No time for the Prius?

Chairs with flares
22nd March 2009, 02:05 PM
No time for the Prius?

Haha wasn't into trackwork in the Prius...
Have some street times that I'm not at liberty to share though...
Lets just say the quicker you get to the lookout; the more time you can spend there parking...

:hehe::oh:

jaz_ae86
24th March 2009, 06:04 PM
AE86:

Engine - 4AGE Bigport over 77rwkw say 80rwKw
Brakes - F: FC 4 pot w/ Ferodo DS2500, R: unknown pads
Suspension - F: 480lb coilover, TRD yellows, whiteline Adj, RCA, Cusco caber tops
R: T3 5 link, TRD Blue 5 way, 215lb spings, traction brackets, whiteline ajd
Diff - 4.3, TRD 2 way T18 (coverted to disc)
GBox - T50
Tires & Rims - 15x7 Konig Rewinds Dunlop Direzza DZ-101
Body - stripped road. Safety 21 half cage (as allowed by Cams)

Time 1:29.9 - can verify on Natsoft.

Engine - 4AGE Bigport w/ turbo 160rwKw
Brakes - F: FC 4 pot w/ Ferodo DS2500, R: Project Mu
Suspension - F: 480lb coilover, TRD yellows, whiteline Adj, RCA, Cusco caber tops
R: T3 5 link, TRD Blue 5 way, 215lb spings, traction brackets, whiteline ajd
Diff - 4.3, TRD 2 way T18 (coverted to disc)
GBox - T50
Tires & Rims - 15x7 Konig Rewinds F; R888 R:A048
Body - stripped road. Safety 21 half cage (as allowed by Cams)

1:28.4 or .6 but well out of practice. - Check natsoft.

Am expecting 1:25's before I start fine tuning suspension and build a motor to make some power.

filfilfil
25th March 2009, 12:41 AM
AE86:

80rwKw = Time 1:29.9
turbo 160rwKw = 1:28.4

Were you smoking the tires too much???? :unseen: or was the first just very well sorted???

jaz_ae86
25th March 2009, 06:06 PM
NA time was well sorted, and practiced.
Last time out with the turbo was first time on track in over a year and trying to get the power down and onto the braking points. Traction was an issue but need to learn to leave it in 3rd for the hairpins. It will do 25's easy and hope to be in the 20's once I sort the suspension out and a season of racing.

As an indication of where it's going, I was pushing 160 before I got on the brakes going into Northern when it was NA. On my last hot lap i was doing 190, having short shifted into 5th before the kink as changing gear mid kink at over 160 required more testicular fortitude than I could manage on the day. Club cars manage 220 into Northern and they are sub 1:17's.

The question is: Who has the fasted 4A AE86 around Mallala in the state?

R&D Mechanical
25th March 2009, 06:14 PM
1968 morris mini, 1:38

lots of mods.

filfilfil
25th March 2009, 06:50 PM
NA time was well sorted, and practiced.
Last time out with the turbo was first time on track in over a year and trying to get the power down and onto the braking points. Traction was an issue but need to learn to leave it in 3rd for the hairpins. It will do 25's easy and hope to be in the 20's once I sort the suspension out and a season of racing.

As an indication of where it's going, I was pushing 160 before I got on the brakes going into Northern when it was NA. On my last hot lap i was doing 190, having short shifted into 5th before the kink as changing gear mid kink at over 160 required more testicular fortitude than I could manage on the day. Club cars manage 220 into Northern and they are sub 1:17's.

The question is: Who has the fasted 4A AE86 around Mallala in the state?

I am aiming where you are heading but will have to wait until its all together to see...
Yes the kink can be an issue when you are able to go a bit faster...I laugh at the people who still call it the "back straight"!
Re your question...perhaps we should put some guidelines in place like:
ie has road reg:
Fastest Street Reg NA 4A with Trim
Fastest Street Reg NA 4A stripped
Fastest Street Reg forced 4A with Trim
Fastest Street Reg forced 4A stripped

ie has slicks and stripped:
Fastest Race NA 4A
Fastest Race Forced 4A

ie has a non factory engine:
Fastest Street Reg NA transplant
Fastest Street Reg forced transplant

or who cares! and its just got to be the quickest like you suggested?

slide86
25th March 2009, 09:15 PM
just as a comparison....can we get a time of a v8 super car round the track, and maybe like a 993 gt3??

R&D Mechanical
25th March 2009, 09:44 PM
There was a GT2 when i took the mini out and it ran a 1.27.

James86
25th March 2009, 09:52 PM
according to the mallala site....

Formula Holden Paul Stokell (Birrana Reynard)
01:02.6

V8 Supercars Greg Murphy (Commodore)
01:08.1

Simon-KE70
26th March 2009, 10:27 PM
i did 2 grip laps today in my KE with SR20 in it...

had been drifting for most of the day... was a private hire day and i decided that on my last pair of thrash tyres thats i should do some grip laps in. they were partially delaminated and so i did 2 hard laps with 2 cool down laps.... my best lap was a 1:27 and that was in full drift trim... SR20KE70, T28 and 176 rwkw... car was ALLLLL over the place too lol ..

Kid Karola
31st March 2009, 10:49 AM
just as a comparison....can we get a time of a v8 super car round the track, and maybe like a 993 gt3??

Marty Ewer 993 RSCS can do 1.17's all day at Porsche Club Sprints
Mark Krashos 997 GT3 RS did 1.12 even (street reg on slicks)
Mark Krashos 996 GT3 Cup does 1.10's (but has run 9's when Bryce Washington had it in 2004)
Chris Smerdon has ex Stone Bros. AU Falcon that's done 1.09.9 (but his pace drops off after a few laps as it really chews out tyres!)

Browse through various events and catergories right back to 1994 www.natsoft.com.au/results (http://www.natsoft.com.au/results/)

Andy San
16th April 2009, 12:17 AM
Did consistent 1:28's last friday running RE001's with 78rwkw...

Should be able to get into the 26's with some better tyres i reckon.

and it still has rego and all the front trim carpets etc.

Dave
16th April 2009, 12:32 AM
hey andy 1.28 with 78rwkw is pretty gd for 4a-ge

what engine mods do you have? just curious

Kid Karola
16th April 2009, 01:08 AM
Andy was that with the fresh motor? didn't you do mid 26 with your old motor, on RE-01R's

Danzo
16th April 2009, 09:29 AM
not me, but one of my best mates ryan does consistent 1:21's in his rx3.

1973 Mazda RX3
Series 5 13B
RX8 Rotors
Monster port
Custom injection with individual Throttle bodies
Wolf 3D computer
RX4 5 speed box
Custom Tailshaft
Home made front coilovers
Home made front LCA (extra 30mm track approx 4.5deg - camber)
Volvo front brakes with slotted and drilled front rotors
Hilux diff with mini spool and 4:11 gears
Reset rear leafs with an extra leaf
Weld in Cage
15 inch semi slicks all round
made 167.6kw on boostworx dyno

20v ae71
20th April 2009, 02:31 AM
i got 1:38 in an ae71 with standard brakes, relatively standard motor, lowered with good shocks, strut tower brace, 195/50/15 adrenalins on some 15x6 skyline mags.

then pads ran out and i put it into a fence:

Frak
20th April 2009, 04:23 PM
i got 1:38 in an ae71 with standard brakes, relatively standard motor, lowered with good shocks, strut tower brace, 195/50/15 adrenalins on some 15x6 skyline mags.

then pads ran out and i put it into a fence:

Dillion, it's not too damaged is it?

20v ae71
20th April 2009, 07:42 PM
nah its all good, just bent a few panels. luckily i have spares so its all fixed up now. 6 point cage went in last week!

obey wan boenny
8th May 2009, 01:00 AM
high 1:30's in gemini

Engine - G161
Brakes - stock
Suspension - stock
Diff - stock
GBox - stock 5 speed
Tires & Rims - 13x6 jelly beans, 175/70 Sonar tyres.
Body - road

:P

Keen to have a shot in my ke one day... one day

charged
26th May 2009, 07:04 PM
KE25 IP car

CAR: Toyota Corolla # 25
WEIGHT: 800kgs
ENGINE: 4AGE 20 Valve Black Top
OUTPUT: 180hp at the flywheel
FUEL TANK: Standard with a surge tank
BRAKES: Front - Gazelle rotor with JFZ 4 spot calipers
Rear - Mazda Rotors with Mazda 1 spot calipers
TYRES: 3J Improved Production Car Yokohama control tyre 185/60/13
TRANSMISSION: Toyota T50 5 speed
DIFFERENTIAL: Toyota T series locker with 4.77:1 ratio
WHEELS: Performance Globe 13 x 5.5-inch
SUSPENSION: Custom struts, reset leaf, Koni shocks
Time 1.23.0 http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?03/05/2009.MALL.R27

Hoping with a freshen, e85 and 15in rubber and bigger brakes a 1.21 should be possible

Kid Karola
26th May 2009, 08:55 PM
Welcome back John!! Hopefully you can get ahead of those Magnas! Looking forward to dicing with Rookie in the Civic too ;)

charged
26th May 2009, 09:06 PM
Welcome back Rob! Hopefully you can get ahead of those Magnas! Looking forward to dicing with Rookie in the Civic too ;)
Its John here actually, Rob co entered with me last round as he hasnt had a steer for a while, Rob has the Ke30 with the 3sgte .

On Rookie that civic of his flys, he walks away from us down the straight and has a lovely set of C/R ratios that help him at Mallala...... and the guy is a handy steerer and a top bloke :)

My car
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/7/8/6/14760.jpg
Robs car
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/7/8/6/14761.jpg

Kid Karola
26th May 2009, 09:47 PM
Sorry John! There's too many of you sharp boys to keep track of :P Rooke is a true gent! always has time for a smoke and chat between races haha

svenmate
27th May 2009, 01:46 PM
track 25 with red hot brakes? HOT!

chrisjjanfd3s
27th May 2009, 07:22 PM
One of my homies from ausrotary runs 1:11's in his modified rx7 series 6, he only recently finished it so hopefully when he gets abit more used to the car he'll be able to go alot faster

charged
27th May 2009, 10:10 PM
One of my homies from ausrotary runs 1:11's in his modified rx7 series 6, he only recently finished it so hopefully when he gets abit more used to the car he'll be able to go alot faster

The hommie you speak of is Brad I gather:rolleyes: and he has done a 1.12.9 at Superlap... I not sure he will get a lot faster but if he gets into a low 12-high 11 he will be very competitive but still a second off a good Porsche Cup GT3 car and decent driver. He needs to get out and get his PC/NC Cams Lic and see how he goes in Sports cars/Tarmac Rally class
Brad is a top bloke though and he can steer very well

Times for reference http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?03/05/2009.MALL.R28

and there should be a little clubie driven by Steve Lightfoot with 620bhp and 600kg that should get down to a 1.08 eventually :)... he is only running half the boost at the moment :hehe:

Kid Karola
27th May 2009, 10:36 PM
and there should be a little clubie driven by Steve Lightfoot with 620bhp and 600kg that should get down to a 1.08 eventually :)... he is only running half the boost at the moment :hehe:

Is that that lime green thing? what a beast! think I had some pics somewhere...

charged
28th May 2009, 10:16 AM
Is that that lime green thing? what a beast! think I had some pics somewhere...

Thats it Karl, homemade clubbie with RX7 ser 6 bits and a sr20det tuned for 620bhp on pump fuel, very impressive peice of kit. The car is too much for the driver at the moment but when the wick gets turned up it should be in the 8s at Mallala.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/7/8/6/14900.jpg
and a bit of gt40 porn
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/7/8/6/14901.jpg

chrisjjanfd3s
29th May 2009, 01:39 PM
Yeah spot on charged brad's the owner of the fast rx7. Saw him at mallala on Sunday and he said he was running 1:11's. Saw your car in a recent issue of fast fours, looks like a really nice setup, must be stacks of fun to drive.

PS that GT40 is so hot

charged
30th May 2009, 09:52 PM
Yeahnthe gt40 was porn and the owner was top bloke and loved talking about it, you could tell he really loved it

Andy San
28th June 2009, 12:43 AM
Andy was that with the fresh motor? didn't you do mid 26 with your old motor, on RE-01R's

yeah with the fresh motor,

old motor was low 30's with adrenalines, wish it was mid 26's

takai
7th July 2009, 02:36 PM
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/7/8/6/14761.jpg

Stealing my pics eh John :p

All good, 1:27.2s with a blown headgasket here.

Andy San
28th August 2009, 04:26 PM
Time for an update i think.

CAR: Toyota Levin coupe
WEIGHT: 900 kgs
ENGINE: 4AGE 16v bigport
OUTPUT: 95kw at the wheels
FUEL TANK: Standard
BRAKES: Standard with QFM pads and brembo hi temp fluid
TYRES: Toyo R888 205/50/15
TRANSMISSION: T50 5 speed
DIFFERENTIAL: Standard JDM T-series with 4.3 ratio TRD 2-way
WHEELS: Performance Superlight 15x8 -4
SUSPENSION: Coilover front, adjustable shocks all round
Time 1.26.1

Should dip into the low 25's with the brakes fixed and a 4.77 diff, and when i learn to drive it properly :P

MINIHORSE
28th August 2009, 07:07 PM
CAR: Toyota Levin Hatch
WEIGHT: 900ish kgs
ENGINE: 4AGE 16v bigport
OUTPUT: id say about 80kw at the wheels
FUEL TANK: Standard
BRAKES: Rovolver Brake Upgrade (celica calipers and rotors?) with Project Mu pads
TYRES: ToyBridgestone RE001 185/60/14
TRANSMISSION: T50 5 speed
DIFFERENTIAL: Standard JDM T-series with 4.5/7 Not sure TRD 2-way
WHEELS: Rays Mesh 14x8 -10
SUSPENSION: Coilover front, adjustable shocks all round, Equal length trailing arms
Time 1.29

Needs Semis, Baaad, and softer sus set up

Twinky
2nd September 2009, 01:50 PM
Ah finally a place I can compare some 4ag's!

Car: Toyota Corolla AE82
Weight: bout 980kg
Engine: 4AGE 20V Silvertop, Lightened flywheel
Output: 89fwkw
Brakes: :steamer: After a hard lap you could mash the pedal and nothing
would happen, handbrake got a workout.
Tyres: :steamer: Kelly tyre, 195,50,15
Transmition: C56
Suspention: Stock as rock

Time I got was 1:35 (first ever time at mallala), but after having no brakes it was consistent 1:38's. Next track day I will have coilover suspension, EBC red Stuff pads and better brake fluid. Hoping to break 1:30

As a comparison I did 1:31 in a race preped V8, could have gone faster
but I have never driven such a big car or rwd. Going again in a month
and should break 1:25's, if not then i suck.

http://www.ae82.net/attachments/members-rides/2236d1238495159-twinkys-twinky-1v0t1286.jpg

shuvke70
6th September 2009, 08:58 PM
capt'n meg pixelz lol!

love that 3 wheeler picture.

when i finally get out there im hoping to get/ break the 1:30 with my 150-60rwkw ke70 with the usual sus mods, but dont think my jdm ae86 brakes are up to it :(

will see how i go!

Frak
7th September 2009, 08:09 PM
when i finally get out there im hoping to get/ break the 1:30 with my 150-60rwkw ke70 with the usual sus mods, but dont think my jdm ae86 brakes are up to it :(



with that amount of power under 1:30 will be easy.

In fact with that amount of grunt, good tyres/brakes etc you should do a low 1:20.

jaz_ae86
3rd October 2009, 07:03 PM
Engine - MR2 4AGZE bottom end, smallport head, TRD 0.8 gasket
Power - 120Kw at the wheels
Brakes - F: FC 4 pot w/ Ferodo DS2500, R: Project Mu
Suspension - F: 480lb coilover, TRD yellows, whiteline Adj, RCA, Cusco caber tops
R: T3 4 link, one standard top link, driver side, TRD Blue 8 way, 215lb spings, traction brackets, whiteline ajd
Diff - 4.3, TRD 2 way T18 (coverted to disc)
GBox - T50
Tires & Rims - 15x7 Konig Rewinds F; R888 R:A048 (48's - for sale, on wear markers)
Body - stripped road. Safety 21 half cage

1:26.11 http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?27/09/2009.MALL.E19

Kid Karola
4th October 2009, 01:25 AM
should shave into the 25's with some new rubber Jason :thumbup: what's left to dial in?

jaz_ae86
7th October 2009, 09:44 PM
Plenty to adjust, was down on grip despite down 40kw on power. Was also a cool/rainy/misty day with only 2 good dry sessions. Will be looking for 24's or low 25's next time and try some things to get more rear grip, also new rear shoes despite the cost.

Need to remove speed cut as it would cut at about 190 before the braking mark into Northern, should be about 200.

Sliding sidways though the kink at over 170 is just going to be part and parcel of quick lap times I think...

Frak
7th October 2009, 11:30 PM
Sliding sidways though the kink at over 170 is just going to be part and parcel of quick lap times I think...


You just need more grip!

Kid Karola
7th October 2009, 11:42 PM
Jazzy Jase, speed cut or rev limiter - what ECU you running again? (If you're running 4.3 with std speedo sender it will over read by 10%) Also have you thought about gearing (guessing you're sticking with T50 ratios) so changing final drive?

jaz_ae86
8th October 2009, 11:04 PM
Running stock AE92 GZE computer, so is speed cutting. My JDM bigport ECU cut at 185, so just take the 190 as error in signal reading.

Changed the drive gear in the gbox over 7yrs ago about a week after going 4.3 when it was my daily.

Will be sticking with the T50 for a while and my W55 has ratio's are almost identicle to T50. I am thinking of going 4.5 as I use mainly 3rd and 4th, 5th through the kink. 4.5 would also keep the rev's higher coming out of Northern. Then again, I may just go J160...

Andy San
8th October 2009, 11:07 PM
wish i'd come out for a run, would have been interesting, should be close now when i've got my diff and you've got new tyres

jaz_ae86
10th October 2009, 01:57 PM
Would be alot of fun, I hope to be out once more before Christmas.

By the way Andy, 9 laps of sub 1:30 laps and my pedal was still rock solid, no fade.

Frak
10th October 2009, 08:45 PM
By the way Andy, 9 laps of sub 1:30 laps and my pedal was still rock solid, no fade.


you may find 9 laps of sub 1:20 different, some of the fast IPRA boys are changing pads etc every meet!

jaz_ae86
10th October 2009, 10:31 PM
Sub 1:20 very different, VERY DIFFERENT.
** Remembers to go check pads and rotors **

but the same thing remains: JDM AE86 brakes will never be sufficient, even doing 1:30's for 9 laps.

Frak
10th October 2009, 10:46 PM
Sub 1:20 very different, VERY DIFFERENT.
** Remembers to go check pads and rotors **

but the same thing remains: JDM AE86 brakes will never be sufficient, even doing 1:30's for 9 laps.

oh come on, you don't think those 234mm diam rotors with flexi single piston calipers won't do it ;)

jaz_ae86
10th October 2009, 11:10 PM
Jdm = pathetic

Kid Karola
10th October 2009, 11:21 PM
fit some VL turbo brakes bro and a 9" detroit locker with leaf spings :DD

That's why sprints are good, you only do 3 laps at a time so you don't cook anything but tyres barely get to temp. In the longer IPRA rounds 10-12 laps you see who's tyres are shot or buggered brakes by the end.

Hey Frak, bit off topic but what was that regularity/enduro thing you did many years ago with 3 drivers per car?

Frak
10th October 2009, 11:34 PM
6 hour! which I expect in the future we may do ;)

I was actaully talking to my good mate Daniel R the other day about it, he and his mates always enter a number of datto 1600's.

Katatonic
11th October 2009, 01:45 AM
jaz how do your FC brakes hold up?

What have you done about the rear? Still JDM or...?

Frak
11th October 2009, 01:17 PM
FC brakes are good, but if you are going to do this conversion try and track down some FD calipers, they are lighter and more rigid(on the series 6 they went to a different casting method, it was a 'squeeze casting' method, which made the caliper stronger but also lighter), series 6 suit a 22mm thick rotor, so useful for most common conversions. ALL FC and series 6 FD calipers have equal size pistons.

I put FD series 7 on my 86, the reason being, staggered pistons, this will stop the pads from tapering as they wear. Again the series 7 suit a 22mm thick rotor UNLESS it's an Aussie SP RX7 then it had JDM RZ spec rotors and calipers, which was a 312 x 32mm rotor and a caliper with staggered pistons.

Probably one of the best mods I ever did to my 86 was to upgrade the rotors and calipers (I use a 282 x 22mm rotor) the brakes are VERY powerful!

Katatonic
11th October 2009, 01:46 PM
Thanks for the info.

I've got two sets of FC calipers coming in and I'll mess with them first.

If I feel like playing a bit more I'll take a look at FD ones. I just wasn't 100% sure if they'd fit. I'll be using AJPS brackets so I'm assuming they will.

jaz_ae86
11th October 2009, 03:06 PM
Big difference using little civic rotors over FC rotors. For the same reason you cannot get JDM brakes to work, you really need larger rotor dimensions to make it work/last. When I start running out of brakes, then I will look at bigger rotors like Frak.

I run the full FC rotor and caliper set up. details are in this thread:
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=8067

I run a t18 drum diff converted to AE86 disc brakes and calipers. Have recently gone 15/16 master and willwood bias adjuster to try and get the rear working better.

Andy San
12th October 2009, 09:19 PM
Would be alot of fun, I hope to be out once more before Christmas.

By the way Andy, 9 laps of sub 1:30 laps and my pedal was still rock solid, no fade.

hmm... got those adaptors organised yet?

Katatonic
12th October 2009, 09:39 PM
Okay, read through the other thread but I'm still a bit confused.

Courtesy of dave:
"off AJPS for the 262mm rotor (minimum 14" wheel required)"
"User "rip it" sells adapter for 294mm rotor, or custom make yourself (15" wheel required)"

Now - bigger rotor = better (generally), is the 294mm FC rotor?

I've got 15" SSR reverse mesh - will they fit?

I've already got the FC calipers. Just need adapter and rotor now.

I just need to clarify what to do now in terms of what I buy and where from to make them fit.

Frak
12th October 2009, 10:22 PM
FC = 276mm diam

Katatonic
12th October 2009, 11:42 PM
What adapter would I use then? Which rotor is 294mm?

jaz_ae86
13th October 2009, 07:59 AM
294 is a bit big to fit under 15". 280 is a good size like frak has.
FC rotor and caliper are not a good combo for mesh wheels (unless you want another -16mm offset both sides to take into account the rotor and spacers).
I am looking at the minicooper bracket soon out of aluminium to fit my mesh wheels, plus I hope to reduce the unsprung weight.

Just saw andy's post, will try and find some time today to make a start...

Kid Karola
13th October 2009, 08:49 AM
depending on the wheel style and caliper used you could get a 300mm disc inside in a 15" but it is going to be tight with 4 pots like RX7/Nissan.
The old T3 big break kit with Wilwood Dynalite calipers was 300x30 floating rotors fit in 15"s like these (http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=46059) on Club4AG
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/1/1/9/25498.jpg
But the T3 site (http://www.technotoytuning.com/productdetail.php?p=691) only list a 280mm kit now.

With RX7 calipers, filfilfil had a basic cad model of a adapter to suit 280mm mini discs might still be floating around on here or another forum...
might even still have it on file.

takai
13th October 2009, 11:39 AM
For Mallala go a thicker rotor rather than a larger rotor. Its the mass of the rotor which increases resistance to brake fade.

Something like this:
http://gallery2.plebeians.net/d/29272-1/IMG_0875_s.jpg
S15 280x30mm disc, FD caliper 8mm caliper bridge spacer.

Katatonic
13th October 2009, 02:36 PM
So which adapter (from who) and thicker rotor should I go with to make them fit?

takai
13th October 2009, 03:16 PM
No-one makes that adaptor yet, and im certainly not going to be volunteering to do so, its not going to be a simple one.

Im just pointing out that width rather than diameter is the requirement at a high braking high frequency track like Mallala. If it was a high braking but low frequency track then width can be sacrificed for diameter to assist with those fewer high speed braking maneuvers.
If you are running 16s then you can consider running MX73 struts with either 280x30 or 298x30mm discs with a Skyline caliper pretty easily.

Edit: to be honest, if you wernt limited with wheel selection, or regs saying you cant change LCAs then i would go with something like this:
http://forums.toyotacressida.net/forums/showthread.php?t=43364

Z32 calipers, Z32 discs 280x30mm, and will squeeze under some 15s.

Katatonic
13th October 2009, 04:41 PM
Thanks for the advice. AJPS have contacted me (awesome bloke) and I'll go from there.

I'm planning to supercharge after this (normal 4AGE in at the moment) but I may as well plan ahead.

charged
13th October 2009, 08:38 PM
depending on the wheel style and caliper used you could get a 300mm disc inside in a 15" but it is going to be tight with 4 pots like RX7/Nissan.
The old T3 big break kit with Wilwood Dynalite calipers was 300x30 floating rotors fit in 15"s like these (http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=46059) on Club4AG
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/1/1/9/25498.jpg
But the T3 site (http://www.technotoytuning.com/productdetail.php?p=691) only list a 280mm kit now.

With RX7 calipers, filfilfil had a basic cad model of a adapter to suit 280mm mini discs might still be floating around on here or another forum...
might even still have it on file.


The beauty of the Wilwood caliper is a new crossover and thickerspacer is only needed, you dont need make up spacers with orings etc like the mazda caliper.

Most of the sub 1:17 guys at Mallala run a thicker rotor and decent pads usually hawks ht10 and decent fluid gs610 or ap600-660 plus ducting.

Even with my car going from a 1:26 to a 1:23 has caused brake fade after 3 laps, I have gone a thicker rotor up 3mm, better pads and trying some ducting, hoping with the new setup a low 20 is on the cards.

takai
13th October 2009, 11:59 PM
The beauty of the Wilwood caliper is a new crossover and thickerspacer is only needed, you dont need make up spacers with orings etc like the mazda caliper.

Most of the sub 1:17 guys at Mallala run a thicker rotor and decent pads usually hawks ht10 and decent fluid gs610 or ap600-660 plus ducting.

Even with my car going from a 1:26 to a 1:23 has caused brake fade after 3 laps, I have gone a thicker rotor up 3mm, better pads and trying some ducting, hoping with the new setup a low 20 is on the cards.

While im just going for the biggest thing i can shoehorn under those rims and work it out afterwards.

Andy San
14th October 2009, 12:11 AM
how are you planning on fitting 60 profile tyres on 15 inch rims under the guards? i struggle with 50 profiles?

takai
14th October 2009, 07:26 AM
IPRA has the provision for running 50 profile. Ill run either 205/50/15 or 195/50/15

Andy San
14th October 2009, 11:18 AM
oh really, i dunno how i managed to miss that in the cams manual

Frak
14th October 2009, 11:31 AM
Andy if you have an older cams manual(2/3 years old) it won't be in there, it's a fairly new introduction.

takai
14th October 2009, 12:18 PM
Pre 2006. I think it came in in 2007 because i remember kicking myself that i had sold off all my 15s in 2005/6.

Andy San
16th October 2009, 02:27 PM
i've got an 05 manual and an 09 one as well, got confused somehow along the way reading both, lol

takai
16th October 2009, 03:14 PM
Just use the website, ive given up on the paper manuals.

http://www.camsmanual.com.au

jaz_ae86
12th December 2009, 06:49 PM
Engine - MR2 4AGZE bottom end, smallport head, TRD 0.8 gasket, S14 T28bb turbo
Power - 120Kw at the wheels
Brakes - F: FC 4 pot w/ Ferodo DS2500, R: Project Mu
Suspension - F: 480lb coilover, TRD yellows, whiteline Adj, RCA, Cusco caber tops
R: T3 4 link, one standard top link, driver side, TRD Blue 8 way, 200lb spings, traction brackets, whiteline ajd
Diff - 4.3, TRD 2 way T18 (coverted to disc)
GBox - T50
Tires & Rims - F:15x7+0 Konig Rewinds R888 195/50R15 R: SSR mesh 15x7.5+7 R888 205/50R15
Body - stripped road. Cusco 7 point cage


1:23.59 measured with AIM timing System

jaz_ae86
11th April 2010, 10:16 PM
Engine - MR2 4AGZE bottom end, smallport head, TRD 0.8 gasket, S14 T28bb turbo
Power - 120Kw at the wheels
Brakes - F: FC 4 pot w/ Ferodo DS3000, R: Project Mu
Suspension - F: 480lb coilover, TRD yellows, whiteline Adj swaybars, Revolver RCA, Cusco camber tops
R: T3 3 link, super pro bushed top trailing arms, TRD Blue 8 way, 200lb spings, traction brackets, whiteline ajd swaybar
Diff - 4.3, TRD 2 way T18 (coverted to disc)
GBox - T50
Tires & Rims - F:15x7+0 Konig Rewinds R888 195/50R15 R: SSR mesh 15x7.5+7 R888 205/50R15
Body - stripped road. Cusco half cage

Was at Mallala today, a little rain in the morning but the rest was good/ideal.
Bushed top arms in place of rose jointed arms works ALOT better in getting the power down.

1:22.0500

Full day's results here: http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?11/04/2010.MALL

Andy San
12th April 2010, 12:41 PM
you look to have been the quickest car out there

jaz_ae86
12th April 2010, 09:19 PM
The GTR was quicker, but couldn't keep it on the track. Looked to be built with big brakes and 300kwish. Was gone by time I got out onto the track.
The Elfin was good fun. I think I had a few more horse than him and was much better under brakes. He held a little more corner speed, and more linear (NA) power out of the corners was helping.

I will be staying with 120kw for a while in search of a 1:20 with suspension work.
Need to go softer rear spring, up the swaybar.
W box is calling, need to be a little harsher than I have been in the past.
Really need a set of 4.5's. 2nd out of Esses and Northern just zing's the tyres but 3rd bog's out of Northern and has a bit less pull out of esses.

One thing I learnt from you Andy at the track day and watching the video's is to attack the curbs alot more. Also now holding more speed into turn 2.

Can't wait for you to be out there with Beams power.

charged
2nd May 2010, 09:50 PM
Did a 1.22.8 today in RACE 4 , still have a issue with the car breaking down at 8000rpm due to a interface error at high RPM, will get it sorted on the dyno soon and chase a few more HP
A low 1.21 is more than achievable next state round........ Takai and Andy get your arse into gear and come racing with me..... the gutless little 20v is staring to go well :)
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?02/05/2010.MALL.R29

ke_70
2nd May 2010, 10:34 PM
whats that other corolla in there? that times incredible he'd have to be running a 3s or somthing

charged
2nd May 2010, 10:39 PM
whats that other corolla in there? that times incredible he'd have to be running a 3s or somthing

Thats the nephews Clints Corolla, its runs a 3sgte and his times were a bit off for some reason, it should be around a low 16 high 15 normally

Twinky
21st June 2010, 11:07 AM
Woot! Just broke into the 1:32's in a 20 valve during practise. Could easily do a 1:29 with more aggressive braking (I keep braking too early and coasting for a second).
Some R888's on the front would help me launch out of the corners better than the toyo T1R's that I have on now. Or I just need to learn to feather the throttle better.

Andy San
26th July 2010, 09:49 AM
Managed a 1:22.9 in the final outing in the 4age yesterday, bring on the beams

KKUSTOM
26th July 2010, 10:34 PM
that's a bloody good effort andy..nice work

jaz_ae86
16th August 2010, 09:04 PM
Engine - MR2 4AGZE bottom end, smallport head, TRD 0.8 gasket, S14 T28bb turbo
Power - 120Kw at the wheels
Brakes - F: FC 4 pot w/ Ferodo DS3000, R: Project Mu
Suspension - F: 480lb coilover, TRD yellows, whiteline Adj swaybars, Revolver RCA, Cusco camber tops
R: T3 3 link, super pro bushed top trailing arms, Tokico HTS 48way, 200lb spings, traction brackets, whiteline ajd swaybar
Diff - 4.3, TRD 2 way T18 (coverted to JDM AE86 disc)
GBox - T50
Tires & Rims - F:15x7+0 Konig Rewinds R888 195/50R15 R: SSR mesh 15x7.5+7 R888 205/50R15
Body - stripped road. Custom half cage

Rebuilt front end, HTS in the rear (so much better than TRD blue's, you have to try them Frak).

1:21.300

Full day's results here: http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?15/08/2010.MALL

Track was a bit shit with drift on the night before with dirt all over the track.
Was mostly dry except the last session where the track was drying out, turning Pacific into quite the handful. 2nd was instant wheelspin, 3rd was only slightly better.

Had some boost cut issues in practice with the cold air at about 1.2bar in the top of forth just before the braking point into the esses.

With 4deg camber on the front it walks a bit through the kink but its best to just hang and let the tail slide a bit. Funny when you look at the speedo comming out of the kink and its just points at kmh.

Negative's: Front rotor's are done. Blown exh manifold gasket (tiny bit) or (less likely) the turbo gasket.

Work for next time: HTS for the front. Put some more power into it, I think cams alone will be over 140rwkw and fix my boost creep issues. Move oil cooler/adjust ducting (oil in sump over 120deg after 3-4 HARD laps but as soon I back off back below 110 pretty quick. Max was 125deg.).
W55 and new clutch.
Proper CAGE.

Frak
17th August 2010, 11:47 AM
Rebuilt front end, HTS in the rear (so much better than TRD blue's, you have to try them Frak).



lol!! good to hear it's going well, good info aswell. hey will have to catch up soon.

KKUSTOM
24th October 2010, 09:15 PM
first time out at mallala on the week end started off with 1:40s and managed to get a 1:29s at then end of the day.

Engine - Big port 4AGE, exhaust , TRD fuel trim
Power - unknown
Brakes - F: honda civic caliper unkowen pads, R: JDM rear disc unkowen pad
Suspension - F: -CRUX engineering suspension. Coilover front unkowen spring rate
-Revolver negative camber RCA's.
-Adjustable lower control arms.
-Cusco front swaybar.
-Sleeved tierods.
-Carbing Front strut brace.

R: -Equal length adjustable upper arms w/ "all internal" box section CRUX engineering suspension unkowen spring rate
Diff - 4.7, TRD 2 way
GBox - T50
Tires & Rims - F/R:Light weight NCHK 14inch rims with RE001s. 14x6.5 -25
Body - Striped, Cusco Safety 21 full rollcage, stitched welded

R&D Mechanical
24th October 2010, 09:47 PM
127.1 in my drift ke lol sliding all over the joint also with stock brakes was.....interesting

takai
25th October 2010, 12:34 AM
Back into the 1:27.3s according to the GPS timer. Before the flywheel went kablammo.

KKUSTOM
25th October 2010, 09:56 PM
^^^ oh dear. are u going to be ready for the next race takai?

takai
26th October 2010, 12:06 AM
Nup. If i swap everything over onto the spare block ill just be blowing blue smoke everywhere. Not worth it.

xero
27th October 2010, 09:14 PM
1:41.6 in the micra :D

jaz_ae86
14th November 2010, 08:52 PM
Engine - MR2 4AGZE bottom end, smallport head, TRD 0.8 gasket, S14 T28bb turbo, 263 8.35mm 20v cam inlet, HKS 264 8.35mm exh, Jap cam wheels.
Power - 165Kw at the wheels on 13 PSI
Brakes - F: FC 4 pot w/ Ferodo DS3000, R: Project Mu
Suspension - F: 480lb coilover, Tokico HTS, whiteline Adj swaybars, 40mm RCA, Cusco camber tops
R: T3 3 link, super pro bushed top trailing arms, Tokico HTS, 200lb spings, traction brackets, whiteline ajd swaybar
Diff - 4.3, TRD 2 way T18 (coverted to disc)
GBox - W55
Tires & Rims - F:15x8+15 Rays TE37's R888 195/50R15 R: Konig Rewind 15x7+0 R888 205/50R15
Body - Stripped race car, Full weld in cage to IPRA spec.

Did 1:21.5700 in the last session. results here: http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?07/11/2010.MALL

EVO IX was quicker but only just.
Struggled for grip now that the rear end (and entire car) is so stiff. Need to go softer rear spring. HTS front dampers may come out in favour of the TRD yellows but may leave them in.

Last time I split my dump pipe(not exh gasket as I thought), now I've cooked the dump pipe flange gasket so time for new side pipe off the turbo with bracing. Also looking at ceramic coating the turbine housing to reduce underbonnet temps.

charged
14th November 2010, 09:47 PM
You should come out and race in IP

jaz_ae86
14th November 2010, 10:19 PM
Would like to, and may at some point in the future, but the cost (whilst cheap compared to other forms of racing) is still a little too much for me.

swan86
17th November 2010, 08:53 PM
1983 ADM AE86

Engine - 4AGE small port, extractors with three mufflers
Brakes - ADM stock
Suspension - ADM stock some new bushes
Diff - ADM stock s series
GBox - ADM T50, TRD clutch
Tires & Rims ADM stock, 5 year old simex s800
Body - full retrimed probably weighs more

First time driving on the track, best lap 1:36

Diff was very noisy by the end of the day

Andy San
23rd July 2011, 01:42 PM
Engine - Beams 3SGE, dry sump, built bottom end, blacktop throttles, no VVT.
Power - 147Kw at the wheels
Brakes - F: Wilwood conversion with carbon ceramic pads, R: rotor upgrade with carbon pads
Suspension - F: coilovers, KYB shocks, cusco cambertops, TRD swaybar,
R: Rooted rear springs (sitting at different heights) TRD blues,
Diff - 4.7, TRD 2 way JDM disc rear
GBox - W57
Tires & Rims - 15x7 hoshino mesh 205/50R15
Body - IPRA trim specs, (complete below window line, bar carpet and rear seats)

Got Down to a 1:20.3, will get down into the 19's fairly easily with some new tyres and a bit more practice with the motor
natsoft link: http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?05/06/2011.MALL.R17

TheProDaniel
20th October 2011, 12:58 PM
84 KE70

Engine - Stock rebuilt 4AGE small port, extractors with two mufflers and a cat
Brakes - ADM stock
Suspension - All stock with AE86 front struts and new bushes
Diff - Welded S series
GBox - ADM T50, Extreme clutch and lightened flywheel
Tires & Rims Performance 15" Challengers with used $10 195/50/15
Body - Mostly stripped

Best of 1:35.2 on the day.

The wheel alignment is terrible (one wheel has visual +camber) and I really need to learn how to drive. Recovering broken arm meant most of my steering was left handed haha. Can't wait to get back out.

Andy San
5th June 2012, 08:59 PM
Engine - Beams 3SGE
Power - 160kw at the wheels
Brakes - F: Wilwood conversion with carbon ceramic pads, R: rotor upgrade with carbon pads
Suspension - F: coilovers, KYB shocks, cusco cambertops etc
R: TRD blues, Swaybar
Diff - 4.7, TRD 2 way JDM disc rear
GBox - J160
Tires & Rims - 15x7 hoshino mesh 205/50R15 ao50's
Body - IPRA trim specs, (complete below window line, bar carpet and rear seats)

1:19.4... I think an 18 should be achievable now

ke_70
7th June 2012, 12:34 AM
getting quick andy! whats the ratios like with the 4:7 + 6sp?

Andy San
8th June 2012, 11:25 AM
Spot on... Feels like a different car

Whyfuel
15th October 2012, 05:00 PM
Best time for my NA SR-20 Westfield Clubman 1.21.1 , 124kW at the wheels,
Running throttle bodies , 11.3 compression and Cr-Mo flywheel ,Tomei Cams.
Not a sprinter, but it does have T-50 gearbox!
Would love to get my Sprinter project up and running to try it out . Need plenty of parts first.

sprinty
8th January 2013, 08:29 PM
IPRA AE86
3SGTE ,250kw t5 gearbox RX4 diff,spax suspension
malalla finally cracked 15s 1.15.9
Chris

Tally
3rd October 2015, 06:54 AM
Few weeks ago got to go out to a private track day organised by Benji Mitchel. Friend took his 180 out, blew his turbo, so I snuck in and took the trusty KE25 out. Managed a lighting fast 1.59sec hahaha was good fun. 5K power!

Actually taking the AE86 out in November. Will be interesting to see what times I can do seeing it now has a snail attached to the 4A amongst other things.

sprinty
3rd October 2015, 11:47 AM
Update 113.6 as of last weekend sprinty getting quicker

QUOTE=sprinty;909077]IPRA AE86
3SGTE ,250kw t5 gearbox RX4 diff,spax suspension
malalla finally cracked 15s 1.15.9
Chris[/QUOTE]

Group A
23rd April 2018, 12:39 PM
Digging up a very old thread, but I've had a run at the new Tailem Bend circuit, so it's worth it!

The Bend International circuit - 4.95km

AE86
16v smallport 4A-GE with std manifolds (154rwhp)
T-50 & 4.77 t-series
Dunlop 190/580/15 slicks
Bilsteins and coilovers

2:28.20 Dorian timed