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Leandro
7th January 2007, 06:17 PM
Alright.....

Well this morning mattyshop and myself headed down to autobahn to finally figure out WTF is th go with rear suspension and to see what shocks we could get for the rear of an ae86 that are short stroke.
There are always people asking the same questions about rear suspension for ae86's and i just went throught the whole exercise myself so here's what has been learnt.

If you have 200mm free height springs no body kit (or dont care how low the kit gets to the ground) then suzuki sierra shocks are for you.... they are rediculousy short, they apprently hand alright and are rather hard as well.

Sierra
Brand: Kyb
Ext: 399
Comp: 250
Product Number: 343185

Next if you have a reasonable spring size such as a trd blue spring which are around 250mm free height approx then you have the ability to go for a kyb shock for hk-ht Monaro's from holden. These are alot better shocks are not as rediculous as the sierras, but rather are softer.

HK-HT Monaro
Brand: Kyb
Ext: 470
Comp: 280mm approx (from memory)
Product Number: 343081

Finally you have the last shock which we found that worked which is used ina holden station wagon of some description. These are harder than the above shock 343081 but are also a little longer in the stroke but not that far off.

Holden Station Wagin
Brand Kyb
Ext: 490
Comp: Approx 290-300mm
Product Number: 343113

If you in brisbane and near the South Side the Autobarn in logan city slacks creek is the place to go. The guy there by the name of Daniel is extremely helpful and patient and spent ages with matty and myself checking shit out so give him a shout lol (we warned him)

All of these shocks cost around the $ 59 mark and are reasonable perfomance upgrades.

However with this said in no way am i saying that what i have said he is set in stone. This is from my own research and others may know differently and alot more than me so use this very losely as a guide.

Hope it helped.....


and thank to mattyshop again for coming over and helping and for also missing the flying trampoline on the compton rd hahah reaction time of a fighter pilot i tells ya hahahahahah


Leandro http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

v-tec
7th January 2007, 06:25 PM
Good stuff fellas, awesome to see someone going out of their way to be informative.

I used Sierras in the rear of my car, and i cant see anything wrong with them.

driftism
8th January 2007, 02:39 PM
good article, another alternative that i used in my old car were MK2 escort shocks, these were really short, but i'm not sure about the lengths or part numbers. will try and get these so they can be added.

rthy
8th January 2007, 03:48 PM
i have used both the sierra and monaro

i used the sierra shocks with gt4 front shock and t3 mr2 gland nut with good results (had 2 cut bump stops, use rca's, adj panhard), even had to cut the springs and even then was very very captive.

looks like this
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/2443000-2443999/2443638_22_full.jpg

i used the monaro with pedder low springs, much better than the sport pedder short stroke sport ryde

also stock ae86 kyb part no
Front 365015 Rear 343036

ke70dave
8th January 2007, 08:52 PM
ahh finally this gets its own thread, thanks heaps Leandro!

if some people could throw up some pics showing the ride heights they achieve with these setups, that would be even better!!

rthy
9th January 2007, 10:24 AM
i had a pic someplace that was side on to give u an idea

chapl
9th January 2007, 01:20 PM
the peugeot 505 shocks work to... ill find out more info

Joel-AE86
9th January 2007, 01:30 PM
^^^Hook up!

I've never used the sierra shocks, but they sound a lil too short stroke.

The KYB HK-HT Monaro shocks are not stiff enough to my liking when using low 6.5kg/mm springs.

I'm after something around 260mm comp and stifffer than these KYB's.

keiichi
9th January 2007, 02:38 PM
hey does anyone know of anything thats shorter stroke then sierras? cause im looking.

gottago
9th January 2007, 03:22 PM
looking into the rear springs with the sierra short stroke shock combo.
what springs would suite? i heard ford falcon AU rear springs work good? but they need a few coils cut off?
im after a legal rear end combo. can anyone point me in the direction?
no bodykit bare ke70 with flared guards, what would suit?
i want sumthing setup for drift i dont really care about ride quality, excessive bumping doesnt bother me at all haha

keiichi
9th January 2007, 03:30 PM
if you want something legal you have to stay within manufacturers specifications. but cutting the springs and using shox from a different car is more illegal.
you can get short stroke excel g kyb's and springs to suit from AJPS if your unsure... otherwise i reccomend falcon springs (requires cutting) with sierras pedders sports ryders.

rthy
9th January 2007, 03:43 PM
i thought kyb didnt make short stroke shocks for ae86? (manufacturer specification)

gottago
9th January 2007, 04:34 PM
if you want something legal you have to stay within manufacturers specifications. but cutting the springs and using shox from a different car is more illegal.
you can get short stroke excel g kyb's and springs to suit from AJPS if your unsure... otherwise i reccomend falcon springs (requires cutting) with sierras pedders sports ryders.[/b]

ok fair enough i never thought about it like that.

will the AJPS gear, suit what im after? drift ready rear end? not to soft? descent ride height?

im not neceesarily after the cheapest combo, rather a good combo that works and has been prooven, but the falcon spring sierra shock combo looks attractive...

chapl
9th January 2007, 04:52 PM
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if you want something legal you have to stay within manufacturers specifications. but cutting the springs and using shox from a different car is more illegal.
you can get short stroke excel g kyb's and springs to suit from AJPS if your unsure... otherwise i reccomend falcon springs (requires cutting) with sierras pedders sports ryders.[/b]

ok fair enough i never thought about it like that.

will the AJPS gear, suit what im after? drift ready rear end? not to soft? descent ride height?

im not neceesarily after the cheapest combo, rather a good combo that works and has been prooven, but the falcon spring sierra shock combo looks attractive...
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ajps 6kg springs are good...
even if you dont upgrade the shock straight away its still an improvment...
but you mos well buy shocks and leave it at that

balistic
10th January 2007, 12:16 PM
if some people could throw up some pics showing the ride heights they achieve with these setups, that would be even better!![/b]

Springs determine ride hide, shocks control the bump and rebound of the springs http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

RobertoX
10th January 2007, 04:03 PM
cheers kane!

send us and email and i can show ride height pics http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

ke70dave
10th January 2007, 06:02 PM
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if some people could throw up some pics showing the ride heights they achieve with these setups, that would be even better!![/b]

Springs determine ride hide, shocks control the bump and rebound of the springs http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif
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yeah i realise that, but obviosuly you have to have your car at a certain height in order to use these short stroke shocks http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

Gilly
10th January 2007, 11:03 PM
what rate are ford falcon au springs after being cut? any ideas?

Gilly
11th January 2007, 07:55 AM
cut at the height most people normally run, between 5 -6 kg/mm

anastasios
11th January 2007, 09:45 AM
ok so these would be stiffer than cut kings at the same height?

gottago
11th January 2007, 12:14 PM
you can also use shocks out of a mazda mx5 i used bilsteins in my car which worked a treat

jono86
13th January 2007, 03:23 PM
i have trd blue rear springs(6kg) what shocks would you reccomend? also is their any modifications needed to fit sierra shocks?

keiichi
13th January 2007, 03:48 PM
no mods for sierra shox.

yoshimitsu9
14th January 2007, 08:10 PM
how this for crazy, im fairly confident the shocks in the rear of my sprinter are chevy nomad sports rides (out of any car to take shocks from http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/crazy.gif ) they are also short stroke and have a much better look than factory shocks and king spring super lows.

vn commonwhore shocks swap over on the front which i will be attending to down the track

keiichi
14th January 2007, 08:16 PM
i dont even nklow what a chevy nomad is

corolla_kid
17th January 2007, 11:54 PM
sounds like a van, or maybe thats nissan....

meadan
18th January 2007, 05:34 PM
chevy nomad?

its a chevy http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

station wagon boat-mobile, i think i have a plastic model kit of one somewhere.

but yeah i have monaro shocks in my ae71 wagon at the moment, they seemed to have the same part numbers

julzy
18th January 2007, 07:37 PM
i got vn commodore shocks in the rear which is fairly low. They are SOOOOOOO much nicer then standard, firm and good rebound. They were 25$ for the pair from the wreckers and are brand new munro gas riders.

keiichi
18th January 2007, 07:47 PM
pedders sports ryders FTW... high bump rate good for drift

mc68
18th January 2007, 09:38 PM
pedders dont even make their own shocks!

keiichi
18th January 2007, 10:36 PM
who makes them then?

Gilly
18th January 2007, 11:46 PM
Monroe i believe. they make most of the big aussie manufacturers shox too from memory

keiichi
19th January 2007, 04:11 PM
wtf... i cant escape them.... dont tell me monroe make kyb shit aswell?

kraggah
19th January 2007, 06:56 PM
if you want something legal you have to stay within manufacturers specifications. but cutting the springs and using shox from a different car is more illegal.
you can get short stroke excel g kyb's and springs to suit from AJPS if your unsure... otherwise i reccomend falcon springs (requires cutting) with sierras pedders sports ryders.[/b]


does anyone know how much the falcon springs are?

im assuming people used them all round? (eg: at all four wheels)

keiichi
19th January 2007, 07:05 PM
ive heard you can use falcon springs at all four CORNERS on a ke70. but im pretty sure ke70's have tiny struts, though someone who owns one should clarify this.
i would expect to pay $20 for a pair of falcon springs. and about 22cents in angle grinder disc... sorry im a smartarse i know.

Gilly
19th January 2007, 10:38 PM
i've heard the same thing, 70 sprin seats are different so you can run falcons in the front as well.

KYB make KYB

tetsujin
20th January 2007, 12:18 AM
hi guys,

Here in the UK I know that Mk1/Mk2 Ford Escort shocks are just the same as a AE86/KE70 set up for shocks, and you can get them in short stroke adjustable ones from AVO.

just another idea for shocks at the rear.

also, I have heard that Ford Escort Cosworth rear springs with a coil taken off are a good replacement for rear springs.

Dont know if you have these cars on your side but again, more options!

I run TRD Blu * way Adj rear shocks and some 'unknown' Jap springs (bright orange??)


Adam http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

HYPNTK
20th January 2007, 12:44 AM
i just bought hilux RWD front shocks (to be put on the rear of my 86) and i am under the impression that these matched up with cut falcon springs are a good match (pretty much what beau yates used in the beginning)...is this correct??? coz i'm having trouble finding info...

if it is correct...how do i know how low to cut the springs so they stay captive and good ride height?

keiichi
20th January 2007, 09:37 AM
i just bought hilux RWD front shocks (to be put on the rear of my 86) and i am under the impression that these matched up with cut falcon springs are a good match (pretty much what beau yates used in the beginning)...is this correct??? coz i'm having trouble finding info...

if it is correct...how do i know how low to cut the springs so they stay captive and good ride height?[/b]

yeh i heard beau yates used to run hilux ones. i also heard he ran sierra ones. drift battle mag reccomend sierra ones.

a good way to decide how many coils to cut off, if your car is already lowered and you like the hight, try and get a tape measure in behind the wheels and measure the length of the spring under load. then depending on what springs your putting in and whats already there, you have a good idea on how much to cut off.

kewagon
29th January 2007, 07:58 PM
ive got a set of mk 2 escort shocks in the back of my car and they fitted straight in and are shorter stroke, mk 1 escort shocks wont fit as they have the same kinda mounting at the top as they have at the bottom,
how many coils would people recomend to cut off falcon springs if using commodore shocks or simmilar??

Gilly
29th January 2007, 08:23 PM
Escorts would be a similar weight to an 86 so really you could just buy shox designed for an 86. the whole reason of using shocks from larger heavier cars is the fact they have harder bump and rebound rates to compensate for the weight.

i don't know there exact bump rebound settings but if its just the fact that they are shorter than 86 items standard you would have to assume they would be designed for a softer spring. whereas lowered 86 's would have a stiffer spring therefore require firmer bump and rebound hence the reason you use heavier vehicle shox.

think of it this way

Escort = 900kg ish

AE86 = 900kg ish

same weights just escort shox have the shorter stroke, but still designed to dampen stock low kg/mm spring rates.

i can however see the merit in adjustable shox, as long as they are cheaper than 86 items, which i imagine they could be.

just a thought....

Hokey
26th February 2007, 10:43 PM
which particular model falcon springs can be used in a 71? i am pretty sure we just tried EL ones and the internal diameter was too small to fit around the lump on the spring perch.
any help appreciated,
-Calvin http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tup.gif

Gilly
26th February 2007, 11:55 PM
AU Falcon works

driftke70
3rd March 2007, 03:33 AM
i run eb fairmonts all round, replaced by coil overs now though, your welcome to buy them as well as some sierra shocks. 100 bucks.

anastasios
4th March 2007, 09:17 AM
hokey ive got a pait of falcon au springs for sale if you want, havent even been chopped yet

Redwarf
21st March 2007, 07:53 PM
went into work to order some ht monaro rear shocks for the ae86...343081 kyb's


saw there was an old monaro which was lowered...figured it would prob. be a tuffer shock, and looking through the kyb book found that its the same shocks as a VB-VS wagon with FE2 suspension (factory lowered), after ringing KYB i found that the length/stroke is nearly identical, as well as most of the specs, BUT the rebound was 50% higher!!! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

so i ordered them instead, part number 343113 kyb, same price as the monaro ones too http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

might be a couple weeks before i get em in (doing all four corners at once with 6/4 spring combo) cant wait !

stouty
21st March 2007, 08:08 PM
Let us know how they go mate sounds promising.

HYPNTK
21st March 2007, 09:10 PM
yeah i'm interested to hear about this setup too, g/l dude

rthy
22nd March 2007, 12:00 AM
dont the commodores have a metal ring bushing thing?
http://www.racing-car-technology.com.au/Suspension_Products/Commodore/Images/Panhard%20Commodore%20012.jpg
but i guess u can press it out and put the ae86 ones in?

keiichi
22nd March 2007, 03:32 PM
goo idea is to take you standard springs to a wreckers and look through all the heavy cars, thats what i did, pitty i dont know what my springs are though.

floody31
1st April 2007, 09:45 PM
I've missed something, the Sierra shocks, are they for the front or rear of a Sierra?

jezz
2nd April 2007, 08:46 PM
front of sierra

floody31
12th April 2007, 02:18 PM
Ok, in that case, Gabriel listing is 61549 if you want to be a real tightarse and go through supercheap.

stouty
12th April 2007, 03:17 PM
You can buy them of ebay i got a pait for $62 delivered and autobarn wanted $90. They are made Gabriel ones Delco or something there called.

biggo
12th April 2007, 08:07 PM
found this random pic ive taken

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/138329.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Standard, Some Commondoor and Hilux respectivly

biggo
13th April 2007, 10:16 AM
just another note.

210mm free height springs wont work very well unless you remove the bumpstops. This goes for all springs.

keiichi
13th April 2007, 11:34 AM
and another note, as good as the hilux shox look, i wouldnt recommend them because they have a metal sleave at the lower mount which is too small to fit over the normal mount. sierra all the way.

keiichi
13th April 2007, 11:39 AM
dont the commodores have a metal ring bushing thing?
http://www.racing-car-technology.com.au/Suspension_Products/Commodore/Images/Panhard%20Commodore%20012.jpg
but i guess u can press it out and put the ae86 ones in?[/b]

ae86 dont have a metal sleave (if thats what your thinking about).
if you press out the metal sleave of the commonwhore one you can damage the rubber because its fused somehow to the metal, you would prob have to replace the whole rubber with something uerothane.

biggo
13th April 2007, 12:05 PM
yair i just press the metal sleave out and put the standard rubber one back in.

Jonny Rochester
14th April 2007, 01:18 AM
They look like the wrong Commodore shocks. Others do just bolt on. You maybe after the shocks for Commodore wagon with live axle, not the sedan and IRS ones.

yoshimitsu9
14th April 2007, 02:35 AM
dont the commodores have a metal ring bushing thing?
http://www.racing-car-technology.com.au/Suspension_Products/Commodore/Images/Panhard%20Commodore%20012.jpg
but i guess u can press it out and put the ae86 ones in?[/b]

ive got chevy nomad shocks in mine, they are actually the same part number as commodore shocks, not sure which type though.

they are quite stiff with the orange springs i have installed and there is fuck all travel

DR1FT
14th April 2007, 02:54 PM
Ive got RA60 rear shocks in the back of my 70

they are a bit shorter stroke and a bit stiffer.

Gilly
14th April 2007, 04:09 PM
its the old VB to VR live axle shox that work, IRS VS and onwards have the metal bush through them.

the earlier models VB, VC, VH (maybe VL) that have the short stroke deal happening. the chassis changed from VN onwards so i'm not sure how different they are.

reuben
14th April 2007, 06:48 PM
VL Police pursuit rear shocks.65mm shorter at full extension,shorter stroke,nice and firm.Correct bushes.Did this last week.$46.00 each at SC.Sweeeeet.

Quinn
15th April 2007, 03:32 AM
I might sound like a dum arse but I'm going to ask this any way,

Could people please post not only what the shox are from but also from where, ie. front or rear of the donor car, for both shox and springs,

sierra/front...OK

The question of how much to cut off the AU springs came up but was un answered. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif

And what are the cheaper front set ups out there that work well ei. 7-8kg http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Not having a bitch just want more info on top of the mountain of info already layed out in this thread. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tup.gif

Cheers guys love the work

Redwarf
19th April 2007, 12:01 AM
Finally got around to putting my suspension gear in, including the 343113 kyb shocks (rear vb-vr wagon lowered)


bolt straight in and work a treat, hold my ahhmm 'shortened' lovell springs in perfect


they rated better than the normal monaros and have the same physical dimensions! if your not going for crazy low sierra shocks these as far as i can find are the next best thing !



damo

DR1FT
21st April 2007, 11:39 AM
Hi-lux RN85 single cab 2wd front shocks will fit. shorter stroke and i imagine alot stiffer.

DR1FT
21st April 2007, 11:54 AM
Oh and thats the model with the 22R carby engine if that helps getting part numbers etc.

anastasios
21st April 2007, 02:19 PM
you get one ford au spring and chop it in half

f#knBANG
30th April 2007, 08:00 PM
sorry to drag this up again but can someone tell me what year model u get the sierra shocks out of

sprinters_r_mad
20th May 2007, 06:49 PM
i have new vb commodore sedan monroe shocks plus AJPS 6 kg rear springs

i wish i could tell ya how they are but i cant put them in yet coz im injured atm but i will be sure to let u all know when theyre in and going

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

nos4ag
24th May 2007, 01:10 PM
Suzuki Sierra Front Shocks - P/N: 343185 KYB

r3zzz4
25th May 2007, 10:16 AM
Im running VB commodore wagon lowered shocks in the rear atm, was wondering what sort of stiffness the sierras will give in comparison to these?
Has anyone run both and made an opinion on which is the firmer of the two?
I know stroke length is different, im just after a stiffer shock.
I have falcon springs in the rear, around 210mm free height.

Cheers

Dane.

JDM-086
25th May 2007, 07:28 PM
ey im trying to get some red koni adjustables all round but i wanna see which i can buy from other cars thatll fit the 86. as you can imagine as soon as i told them it was for a hachi there price was considerably more than other cars. so i was wondering if anyone can tell me some rough measurements so i can try match them myself or if there is a known fittin eg. monaro koni adjustables fit an ae86.

this is for front and rear btw

blue86
30th May 2007, 11:21 PM
i prbly read it some where but ill ask it anyway wats the best front set up for a sprinter what shock an what springs http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif cheap as and what car model an manafactor http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tup.gif

JDM-086
31st May 2007, 12:48 AM
im interested to here the answer to that also

blue86
5th June 2007, 06:11 PM
hello this part number 343185 is it for the front or back of a sierra an what yr thanks

Konakid
5th June 2007, 09:55 PM
Suzuki Sierra Front Shocks - P/N: 343185 KYB[/b]

Year doesn't matter, youve got the part number.

blue86
5th June 2007, 10:02 PM
thanx i was told rear http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rant.gif got my au springs great price 10.50 .the guy gave me full au shocks an springs only needed the rear ,and i didnt take it of http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif thanks

Jonny Rochester
5th June 2007, 11:19 PM
Rear Shocks: I have listed a few with a stud at one end and a ferrule (round thing) at the other. Some in the list are a perfect fit, others may need a different bush. Decide your length and order from any brand.

Extended Length / Compressed length / Vehicle

564 , 339 AE86, TE72, AE95, (too long to keep lowered spring captive)
517 , 307 KE30
517 , 307 Commodore wagon 78-92 , (good fit)
504 , 314 Commodore wagon 93-97,
482 , 297 XT130, RA60, KE36, KE38, KE70 wagon & early Holden , (perfect length and fitment)
478 , 288 Escort sedan&coupe 74-82,
473 , 288 Tarago 90's ,
415 , 256 Suzuki 4WD front, (talked about)

Koni Special (red) or KYB excel-g will be available for almost all models. The probem is that Koni Sport (yellow) and KYB AGX adjustable shocks will only be made for some models.

But there are a tonne of models to look at if you are willing to change a bush and make a spacer here and there. I am now trying to fit Koni Sport rear shocks to suit a 1995 Starlet/Paseo. I have to change the bottom bush, thats about it.

HYPNTK
12th September 2007, 02:41 PM
hey i got myself a set of kyb sierra shocks like the ones that are first on the list...just thought i'd mention that on the box it says they're from a suzuki jimny

probably doesn't matter but just thought i'd share the fact they're from that car too :P
same part number etc.

lets see how i go....i wonder how low my 86 is gonna sit with this and chopped trd blues eek!

bradae86
18th September 2007, 11:46 PM
so au springs i suggest arent progressive rate then??? i mean because it has been said to just cut 1 spring in half, then if they were progressive then 1 side would be soft and the other hard...

Also what is the spring rate of the au rear springs compared to std springs (im assuming ke70, ae71 and ae86 all have the same)

Stomp86
22nd October 2007, 05:25 PM
hmm good to see that there is a topic about this...


i work for a 4wd mob and every time i fit up shoks i always think if they would fit..

just found out hilux / 4runner front shoks are stiff as hell and lengths are 390 extended and 270 compressed
they are ridepro shoks and available from off road equipment in myaree at 125 each retail

i can get them at a better price if local ppl are interested just pm me

Adam

AUS086
25th October 2007, 01:02 PM
just put some gabriel hk monaro shocks in with some 5kg cut springs. bit bumpy for daily but so worth it when your havin some fun :2thumbs:

rthy
11th November 2007, 10:41 PM
would these suit 3.3kg rear springs?

517 , 307 Commodore wagon 78-92

also dont the "heavy duty range" have harder valving so to speak

anastasios
12th November 2007, 08:26 AM
also make sure you cut a knob off your bumpstops

rthy
12th November 2007, 05:29 PM
yeah I learnt that the hard way, I ended up going over a gutter quite a while back

Konakid
13th November 2007, 01:49 PM
Personally i cut them all off except the last notch, so take off the top two.

Felix
13th November 2007, 11:21 PM
i have cut the first one off, but with coilovers in the rear its abit stiffer, still close though

i will lower it soon and cut another ring off the stops

rthy
14th November 2007, 06:54 PM
I also cut two off but I found in my reading today that I was only legally allowed to take one off

hachirusto
14th November 2007, 10:50 PM
Just added all information and even more in the wiki from this thread

rthy
14th November 2007, 10:53 PM
good work!

it was something I planned to do in due time

I am still working on the 20v rwd conversion guide right now

hachirusto
14th November 2007, 10:55 PM
thanks , still got to add more to it but cbf doing anymore tonight

dr1ft-pig
17th November 2007, 10:29 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sam_Q @ Nov 14 2007, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=436941)</div>
I also cut two off but I found in my reading today that I was only legally allowed to take one off[/b]


i just unbolted mine, u pretty much have to with sierra shocks

RussianMafia000
19th November 2007, 12:35 PM
This might be a stupid question, but am I supposed to use front or rear falcon springs??
I've got a a pair of front king springs that came off a EA Falcon but not sure if they are the right ones to use?? They seem pretty stiff aswell

Konakid
19th November 2007, 04:14 PM
Rears

RussianMafia000
19th November 2007, 05:16 PM
Damn.. Any experince on how hard they are to remove from the car while sitting at the wreckers?

HYPNTK
19th November 2007, 09:03 PM
hey why do you have to remove the bump stops in the rear when installing sierra shocks?
coz i'm installing the same ones soon thats why i'm asking

hachirusto
19th November 2007, 09:59 PM
Im pretty sure that its because they are so low that the bump stop fouls on the spring perch

static
31st December 2007, 12:53 AM
Does it what!!!
I cut the bottom two bungs off and it gave me about an inch and a half of suspension travel.
I had already lowered the car previously with kyb short strokes (made for sprinter items) and aurora springs which were 2.5inches lower thans stock. I wanted to do it properly so when I put the sierras in I had the springs compressed another 1.5inches (a total of 4 inches lower over stock) and it is now actually impossible to unseat the springs. In fact, I had to use the jack to force the diff up under the car to bolt up the sierras. Im not so sure this is a good thing as the back of the car is now kinda springy but it could just be the coilovers in the front fucking with my spring depth perception or sumfin. Either way its slammed and waiting for a piggy to throw a canary at it now.
A bit random but what method do most people use to hold the shock while they do up the top nut?

rthy
31st December 2007, 10:57 AM
I holt the shocker body through the wheel arch when I do up that nut with the other arm

Sparkle86
7th January 2008, 01:27 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Leandro @ Jan 7 2007, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=300282)</div>
Sierra
Brand: Kyb
Ext: 399
Comp: 250
Product Number: 343185[/b]

Is this part number for the "premium" or the "Excel-G" type shock? Is it worth useing the Excel_G or is the standard premium good enough?

pebbles
27th March 2008, 02:53 AM
Quick question

Johnny rochester posted a few pages back compressed and extended length of ae86 shocks
is this the same length as ke70 shocks?
because if it is RA60 ones are sounding nice for the rear of my 70,
also when you say early holden, do you mean VB, VC ? and such?

-cheers

btw this question was directed at anyone and everyone, in case someone else can answer for him haha

sr_rolla
27th March 2008, 03:15 AM
just curious, what sort of droop do the seirra shocks allow? i had commonwhore shocks in mine for a while and took them out because it only allowed about 1.5 inches of droop and kept bottoming out the shocks (not good). if the springs have to be compressed with the seirra's i can't imagine that you would have any droop at all. is this right?

slydar
27th March 2008, 09:09 AM
fuck all. they are really a little bit too short.

Konakid
28th March 2008, 03:13 PM
^^Exactly, you will need to compress them about an inch so that they run preload to get them in, hence no droop!

But fuck they ride well with 6kg rears, going to try some KYB excel g sierras soon to see what they are like.

sr_rolla
28th March 2008, 08:45 PM
but u need 2-3 inches of droop from static height for your suspension to work properly

if not u end up with fucked shocks and a car that handles like crap, i went thru the whole saga 12mths ago

Konakid
28th March 2008, 08:48 PM
^^I thought that was the case, so unless the car is bullshit low (read: too low) then there will be no droop and the shocks will top out constantly and fuck out, sorted.

ae71
29th March 2008, 11:58 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (grape_moosha @ Mar 27 2008, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=508456)</div>
Quick question

Johnny rochester posted a few pages back compressed and extended length of ae86 shocks
is this the same length as ke70 shocks?
because if it is RA60 ones are sounding nice for the rear of my 70,
also when you say early holden, do you mean VB, VC ? and such?

-cheers

btw this question was directed at anyone and everyone, in case someone else can answer for him haha[/b]

yeah VB shock are good to use, used them in a ma61 supra but they where a little short for that, good length for corolla though which take shorter shocks. later model (90's) use shorter shocks, i heard of someone mention vt wagon? also the old old holdens (HQ? or around that era) shocks fit as well, take a measurement of your stock shock at the normal sitting hight, or make a mark on the body where its compressed, take it out, measure it compressing to that mark then add how much you want it to travel. a softer spring will want to travel more than a hard one. go into supercheap and compare it to what they have on the shelf, you will soon figure out what will suit you best, even if you go for a better brand at another store you will know what model you want, don't be afraid to open a few box's they wont mind usually as long as you put them back.

MountainRunner
6th April 2008, 10:59 PM
How does this sound EF falcon springs with HK-HT Monaro shocks i wil lbe cutting the springs 2 around 260mm free height will they be captive if not what do u recommend cutting the falcon springs 2

cheers

Hokey
6th April 2008, 11:10 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slydar @ Mar 27 2008, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=508507)</div>
fuck all. they are really a little bit too short.[/b]
Yeh they are aren't they. i used to lift a wheel when going up driveways :rolleyes:

great for drifting though. very stiff. i'm thinking about flipping the shock mount around on the diff so i'll have some more down travel. only way i think you can get cheap shocks cause i think commo wag shocks are not as stiff as sierra's. anyone ever compared commo's to sierra's?

Cheers

slydar
6th April 2008, 11:13 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sr_rolla @ Mar 27 2008, 02:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=508460)</div>
just curious, what sort of droop do the seirra shocks allow? i had commonwhore shocks in mine for a while and took them out because it only allowed about 1.5 inches of droop and kept bottoming out the shocks (not good). if the springs have to be compressed with the seirra's i can't imagine that you would have any droop at all. is this right?[/b]

i thought the rule for droop was 30-40% of travel?

JDM-086
6th April 2008, 11:14 PM
calvin i got como wagons in the rear.

MountainRunner
6th April 2008, 11:30 PM
any 1 ?

sr_rolla
7th April 2008, 03:48 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slydar @ Apr 6 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=514227)</div>
i thought the rule for droop was 30-40% of travel?[/b]

the race engineer i spoke to said other wise, 30-40% might work if you have more travel, but if u only have say 2-3" of compressive travel then that would leave you with 1" and a bit of droop, which is just impractical. You end up lifting wheels everywhere and stuffing shocks, and a car wont handle with stuffed shocks and wheels off the ground.

I like your way of thinking with those rear shocks in the no.10 thread aswell, verry nice :2thumbs:

biggo
7th April 2008, 04:36 PM
shocks = disposable items

i use Hilux excel g's
Not bad imo, but I'm running no droop and they have about 15mm of travel with the bumpstops in. Probably not a good idea in a street car, but whatever works will do me :)

reecegze
19th April 2008, 11:41 AM
So guys all we talknig about is the rear end of the car ... what about front springs and shocks of the ae86 , this is what i am still confused with.

sr_rolla
19th April 2008, 07:46 PM
go to the suspension thread, it covers front and rear

marvis
12th June 2008, 04:51 PM
Sierra
Brand: Kyb
Ext: 399
Comp: 250
Product Number: 343185


Will these keep 170/180mm springs captive?

marvis
14th June 2008, 01:14 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (marvis @ Jun 12 2008, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=545030)</div>
Sierra
Brand: Kyb
Ext: 399
Comp: 250
Product Number: 343185


Will these keep 170/180mm springs captive?[/b]

Anyone? :2thumbs:

DRFTPG
14th June 2008, 03:19 PM
looks like theres only one way to find out :D ^^

marvis
14th June 2008, 04:23 PM
You first.

:)

DRFTPG
15th June 2008, 10:47 AM
lol ok

Konakid
23rd June 2008, 09:58 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (marvis @ Jun 14 2008, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=545910)</div>
Anyone? :2thumbs:[/b]

Hell no!

They don't keep 215's captive!

marvis
26th June 2008, 02:48 AM
What would be the best bet for 170/180mm?

ke70dave
26th June 2008, 11:34 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (marvis @ Jun 26 2008, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=552610)</div>
What would be the best bet for 170/180mm?[/b]

what spring rate?

either way that will be EXTREMELY low and i doubt you'll get anything to keep them captive.

what you want them so low for?

Konakid
26th June 2008, 05:30 PM
for posing

marvis
28th June 2008, 10:39 PM
^exactly.

about 6-7kg/mm

crown3d
2nd July 2008, 07:25 PM
what do you guys do about the sierra shocks because both ends have loops on em, how to you change it to a thread at the top? also, I'm thinkin of going with ford escort shocks has anyone got any experience with these were they good? bad?

slydar
2nd July 2008, 11:23 PM
you bought the wrong ones. can't remember which end has which, but one end (of the car, meaning siera) is pin/eye and one is eye/eye.

escort shox will be too soft unless you get after market ones, but factory replacement types arent gonna cut it.

crown3d
3rd July 2008, 12:02 PM
well i was at the auto place yesterday and they said that for the rear of a car there is only eye/eye for both the 80's model and the 90's onwards model, so what they hell do i do?

RobertoX
3rd July 2008, 12:47 PM
you buy fronts

ae71
3rd July 2008, 03:46 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ke70dave @ Jun 26 2008, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=552684)</div>
what spring rate?

either way that will be EXTREMELY low and i doubt you'll get anything to keep them captive.

what you want them so low for?[/b]

i have 170mm in the front of my car, its not that low. i can either go lower or add more track... then flaring and lower again...

tom__86
21st July 2008, 09:09 PM
I've got 200mm on the back and sierras keep them very captive....

Konakid
21st July 2008, 09:27 PM
But you also have no droop...

tom__86
21st July 2008, 09:49 PM
the spring pre load on them isnt that bad,
there actually around 185mm and yes they are compressed but only minimally.

Konakid
22nd July 2008, 01:47 AM
Not so much the pre load, the fact that the wheel will run out of travel when it wants to fall in to larger bumps and holes.

Simon-AE86
22nd July 2008, 10:54 AM
Just read through all these pages... what seems to be the general summary as to what to use? I'm not planning on a super low or stiff car just want some decent handling and slideability. Ive got a set of Sierras but i doubt i'll use them, they look to me to be far too short and will have no droop as mentioned.

Oh and a word about 505 pug shocks... i tried them years ago when i had one of my sprinters, bought new KYB "sports" ones and they fitted awesome.. however they were way way way too stiff and i had no suspension travel at all, springs were only 4kg springs too but the rear just bounced all over the road. I took em straight out lol.

Konakid
22nd July 2008, 12:13 PM
Id go 5kg rears with KYB excel g short strokes or trd blue short strokes if you can afford.

DRFTPG
22nd July 2008, 01:30 PM
sierra's just keep my 200mm captive

DRFTR86
22nd July 2008, 10:38 PM
just put sierra falcon combo in mine, i work at ford so i had access to alot of different springs, tried au xr6 springs cut down to 190mm in my mates ke, very low, but for extra stiffness, i used au2 xr8 IRS rear spring cut down to 210 mm and its stiff as a honey mooners :whistling:

bigm
12th August 2008, 01:50 PM
i got some F150 truck shocks i think

compressed it about 300
and extended is about 470

the f150 isnt exactly a light car so i think they are gona be fairly stiff, and they are also pedders sports ryders so will see how we go on the weekend.

Ru-iki
12th August 2008, 06:46 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crown3d @ Jul 2 2008, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=555721)</div>
what do you guys do about the sierra shocks because both ends have loops on em, how to you change it to a thread at the top? also, I'm thinkin of going with ford escort shocks has anyone got any experience with these were they good? bad?[/b]


Sierra/Jimny front shocks.

jay70
27th August 2008, 07:59 PM
what would be a good match for a 230mm 6kg spring. 86 excel gs or commo shocks

Whip
27th August 2008, 08:01 PM
Excel G's

Got 230mm 6kg and Excel G's in the rear of mine, dope as

Hachi Roku
28th August 2008, 10:26 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meathead #2 @ Jul 22 2008, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=564788)</div>
Id go 5kg rears with KYB excel g short strokes or trd blue short strokes if you can afford.[/b]

What free spring height would you suggest as I'm after some 5kg's?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Whip @ Aug 27 2008, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=580588)</div>
Excel G's

Got 230mm 6kg and Excel G's in the rear of mine, dope as[/b]

yes I agree :)

Delazy
29th August 2008, 10:36 PM
for those of us who spent more money on suspension than others, not nessasarily for the better....what rate and height sprnings are people running on tociko hts and trd blues??

70XIN
29th August 2008, 11:34 PM
in most of my ae86 books (i have a couple lol), most of the jap cars run 8/6 7/6 6/6, never anything less. lots with the equally matched springs which is strange

i might also note, the cars I'm referring to are all street 'weekend' circuit cars from the looks of them/specs :)

i can't speak about local people, cause i don't know anyone lucky enough to own both (blues and the tokico HTS')

:)

Hachi Roku
30th August 2008, 12:33 AM
so what do you think would be the best suspension setup in regards to shocks and springs?

Obviously short strokes, but what combination of springs? 8/6 (too stiff?) 7/5

What would suit street and the occasional inspirational drive through the hills and some drift prac?

rthy
30th August 2008, 04:43 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hachi Roku @ Aug 29 2008, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=581382)</div>
so what do you think would be the best suspension setup in regards to shocks and springs?

Obviously short strokes, but what combination of springs? 8/6 (too stiff?) 7/5

What would suit street and the occasional inspirational drive through the hills and some drift prac?[/b]

all of these questions are too open, some people blurt out answers like 6kg but if you tried using those springs in my area then you wouldn't end being able to go very fast. It comes down to the roads you plan to optimise your car for, your dampeners and you personally in what you find comfortable

Delazy
30th August 2008, 08:16 PM
my setup is looking and kind of leaning towards 7/5kg spring setup, running brand new hts102s (coilover front obviously), cusco swaybars front and rear...

the swaybars should control much of the bodyroll and keep the car sitting flat, while the slightly softer springs and the huge adjustment range of the hts102s allowing a more broad coverage of options...

alot of the advice has come from various circuit racers who believe that spring rates shouldnt be increased to combat body roll, that is the job of the swaybars...now not knowing alot about suspension geometry myself, this could be spot on or it could be miles from the truth and i wouldn't know the difference...

if anyone sees a flaw in my theory, feel free to comment and or correct me....

Benny
31st August 2008, 12:03 AM
My 180 when I ran it, john, had Tein SS's. When it was 4WD spec(when i bought it) it had mass body roll. I lowered it, increasing force or whatever put on springs and it became alot stiffer and thus lost body roll altogether. Yes swaybars make a HELL of alot of difference, but suspension comes into play more I believe.

Todd
31st August 2008, 01:25 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Benny @ Aug 30 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=581682)</div>
My 180 when I ran it, john, had Tein SS's. When it was 4WD spec(when i bought it) it had mass body roll. I lowered it, increasing force or whatever put on springs and it became alot stiffer and thus lost body roll altogether. Yes swaybars make a HELL of alot of difference, but suspension comes into play more I believe.[/b]

yeah lower centre of gravity will reduce body roll alot. this along with a stiffer ride height would affect the amount of body roll you have, although swaybars would remedy this problem much more specifically.

70XIN
31st August 2008, 01:52 AM
i think one of the most important thing people are thinking of (in regards to spring rates) is tyre choice

retreads/second-hand vs. basic vs. performance vs. semi's vs. slicks ... all make a very big difference!


in fact i shouldn't even have mentioned that, there are so many factors that come into the spring rate debate, and unfortunately most of us don't have the money to try even a small variation of rates .. so not much you can do except that pray someone's setup works for you

rthy
31st August 2008, 12:00 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (70XIN @ Aug 31 2008, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=581710)</div>
i think one of the most important thing people are thinking of (in regards to spring rates) is tyre choice

retreads/second-hand vs. basic vs. performance vs. semi's vs. slicks ... all make a very big difference![/b]

this is so true, I change the height of my car almost every time I change tyres to compensate for the different grip levels

pebbles
24th September 2008, 05:53 PM
hey everyone, jonny rochersters post on page 3 says

415 , 256 Suzuki 4WD front, (talked about)

i was just wondering where exactly the length is measured form.
i just measured up some front shocks i found not sure what car ther from and they are about 410 from the middle of the round bit, to the bottom of the threaded bit.
so add about a cm if its measured above the bush. they are 470 to the top of the threaded bit

they are gabriel gas shocks and i can prety much have them. just need to change the bush.