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JDMJNKY
28th June 2007, 08:48 PM
Ok i have leanrt alot of building and modifying my 4agze map sensored engine runing haltech ecu to 4agte.

So first thing was to take off the sc and all the crap that comes with that. first problem i came across was the jdm 4age rwd maifold is meant for a bigport and my engine is a smallport so a T3 adaptor was installed. 2nd problem was that the turbo would not run with the dizzy cos it wouldnt fit so i am now running a Crank angle Sensor and 4 coils. Next thing is to mount up the turbo i was running a kkr280 and i spent 800$ on it and sold it for 5o$ today it was a shagged piece of s**t, and make dump pipe and im running a straight through under diff 3in exhaust With that flexie piece!!!!!. then the cooler piping into the cooler and into the throttle body. i used a 300x400x70 cheepie cooler with 2.5 in cooler piping. Now to electronics i went for a microtech lt10 ecu only running the water temp sensor and throttle position sensor inbuilt map sensor 2. Standard injectors and everything else standard which was my first engine. smallport with oil squirters and 8.9-1 compression ratio pistons. also you have to take off the sump and weld in a pipe for the oil return. The oil and coolant lines i used were from Enzed they are speed flow fittings. i used the heater hoses as the coolant in and out. and the oil line from where the oil pressue sensor was. i used a t piece in the line so i could have the oil pressure sender still but it reads realy low so i dont even bother connecting it anymore. also I am Not using an oil cooler!
So with that setup my engine made 169.4rwkw on 17psi boost. Then it boost spiked and blew up blah blah blah.

Now im running a bigport gze low comp ratio engine with a trd .8mm metal headgasket HIGHLY RECCOMMENDED and a rebuilt smallport head. i pissed offf the kkr junk and bought a T28bb turbo off an s15 and drove it the other day its a screamer!!! the engine made 160rwkw@14psi.

Other problems i have come across. acl headgasket= junk
the only gze pistons you can buy genuine from toyota will not clear the oil squirters in a map sensored gze! use a decent socket on the headbolts! replace the water pump!!!

any q's just ask hopefuly this will give you more insight slippry cheers

BrittanySpears
3rd July 2007, 08:53 PM
cheers man, good info. wont be long now before i start conversion.

ToySprinta
3rd July 2007, 10:40 PM
just done exactly the same, only with a bigport head. will see how much power difference there is :)

JDMJNKY
4th July 2007, 08:26 AM
just done exactly the same, only with a bigport head. will see how much power difference there is :)[/b]

3 DAYS TO GO!!!!!

roadsailing
4th July 2007, 11:33 AM
can you post up pics of the cooler install? whats a pretty big core for a AE86!

stefan
4th July 2007, 02:15 PM
good write up

im currently running a 100kw smallport 7 rib block

and getting some hks 272 cams and port and polished head and rebuilt bottom end with gze pistons was thinking t25 turbo and kelway manny cooler and piping microtech ecu and getting hold of a rwd bogport manny

built correctly im hoping to get about 140-160rwkw

is this very achivable and what would i do about the pigs in blu if i got defected? could it be defected? if it looks fair standard there shouldnt be much problem?

Delazy
4th July 2007, 06:17 PM
dnt bother with the cams, instead get bigger injectors, possibly 4agze or i believe 7mgte ones fit....use a T28bb from a JDM s14/s15 and itll love it....otherwise look at the hypergear range of turbos if u dnt intend on running more than 20psi.....

with that setup any less than 160rwkw and id be pissed

stefan
4th July 2007, 06:20 PM
why not bother with cams i thought they would help higher rpm and give more power

PuGZoR
4th July 2007, 06:43 PM
Just wanted to say which way I went with my conversion. Mind you, it's not on the road, but this is what fits and stuff.

I went 4AGZE from an AE101, but obviously yanked off the supercharger. Got a T3 bigport to smallport adaptor plate so I could use the intake plennum off a RWD 4AGE with a bigport head on the smallport 4AGZE head. You'll need to source some custom bolts at a measured length, I think mine were around 50mm with the adaptor plate. On the other side of the engine a turbo manifold from AJPS (short runners so I don't lose as much kinetic energy in using a longer tuned runner system, won't matter much at high revs but the turbo won't last as long as it could, plan replacing it anyway...) holds the KKR330 turbo (probably a bit big, plan to get some kind of Garrett later down the track) on. The internal gate on the KKR was welded and an external wastegate was put on to the manifold in the form of a Tial 38mm, with 0.5bar spring. Because the manifold gives the turbo a high-mount, this simply goes down the bottom where the turbo would usually sit. Had a big fitting put in the sump, near the back of the engine, for oil return, nice and high. Put in a T-piece where the oil pressure sensor goes into the block, for oil feed, and also tapped into the water drain plug next to it. I used braided lines for everything regarding turbo, and when it came to fittings on the turbo I used pieces that were angled, so I could face them away from the exhaust housing.

stefan
4th July 2007, 06:58 PM
why not use after market cams?

70XIN
4th July 2007, 09:22 PM
Stock GZE bottom end
Bigport head
T517z

190rwkw on 15-17psi.

Easy.

Delazy
4th July 2007, 09:58 PM
i wouldnt bother with cams that big....something around the 256 degree range would be more suitable to a forced induction setup....going so large on a such a small capacity forced induction engine will hurt the drivability more than anything...

my opinion isnt first hand, more so from my own research on various american/uk forums.....as i havent seen any local 4agte's sporting cams of any sort....

the same opinon was given to me by a mate who trialled his car with 264's and found that he prefered the standard cams

i wouldnt mind hearing other ppls opinions on the matter aswell....................

if only more people used a t517z/t518z on 4ages....would be my pick of turbo for sure....unless i found a 2510 for the right price

ToySprinta
4th July 2007, 11:16 PM
lol, got 282's on mine...

70XIN
5th July 2007, 12:22 AM
lol, got 282's on mine...[/b]

If you don't mind me asking..

What brand? How much? And did you have to change valvesprings/shims/absolutely anything else? :)

Oh, and of course, how do you find them (although i think i read your car isnt on the road yet..)

ToySprinta
5th July 2007, 09:17 AM
Crow cams, special supplier price ;), just put stiffer valve springs in.
WE've planned for it to be on boost by 4000rpm, but cause of a manifold leak it doesnt come on full boost till 6 :( but it friggin screams from there :)

stefan
5th July 2007, 11:00 AM
i have hks 272deg cams with stiff hks springs, eddie says use a small port head for more power is this true please enlighten this topic also with a rwd bog port manny

JDMJNKY
5th July 2007, 11:25 AM
using standard cams will not limit you until over 200rwkw same with rwd manifold. smallport head will give you more midrange power and turbo will spool up way quicker! injectors may be a problem over 170rwkw but thats my limit so far but you will have to use gze injectors minimum! T25 is cheap but will limit power and length of turbo life. kkr280 turbos will run awesomely come on boost quickly for about 2 minutes then blow the f**k up. get a 2nd hand t28bb turbo off a jap spec s15 (t28bb tubos have 6 bolts holding the exhaust housing on as non bb turbos have 4!!!!) Just send me your email adresses if you want photos. cheers eddie.

stefan
5th July 2007, 12:51 PM
im aiming for mad torque and medium power like 150rwkw cams i ahve and use just with injectors what is a good one to use 7mgte? there like 440cc

um with turbo do kelway make custom ones to suite s15 t28bb turbos?

please send flicks to

dan@farnik.com

chat soon dan

but i miss mad power thats why turbo is pimp option

um \i tknow the afm is air flow meter but whats map? just aftermarket ecu?? is there any problem with running normal dizzy or do you have to convert to coilpacks?>

JDMJNKY
5th July 2007, 03:58 PM
map is manifold absolut pressure sensor its just a differnt way of determining the ammount or pressure of air going into the engine. the microtech has an internal map sensor u just hook the vac hose on microtech makes specific ecu programs and wiring setups for engines im guessing ur running dizzy with ignitor? My purple street car im doing the eact same conversion as you ATM na motor with gze pistons t28 nonbb turbo gze injectors microtech, dizzy! yes the manifolds rexy makes will suit the turbo youre running cos kkr280/330 t25/t28 all use the same flange! Which injectors are easier for you to get but like i said gze are happy to make 170rwkw pics sent slippry

86sp
5th July 2007, 06:21 PM
GT28RS + Microtech is all it needs :)


http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/113345.jpg (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image001ot7.jpg)

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BrittanySpears
5th July 2007, 07:23 PM
Good info guys keep it coming

Im about to start building mine (ae101 4agze) the engine has been in the garage for 2 years in mint condition.

Basically want something that behaves similar to a NA, so small turbo (going t25) not a huge output just want it to come on early and give me enough power to be competative for a relative price. So all this info is usefull :greenbounce:

JDMJNKY
5th July 2007, 07:24 PM
86sp knows what hees talking about!

86sp
5th July 2007, 10:16 PM
I'm all talk :)
Dont go t25. You want at least a 28 and make sure its ballbearing. Lag isnt as much an issue as you may think.

BrittanySpears
5th July 2007, 10:48 PM
yea its kinda more of a money factor, if i wanna go places i need a more competitive engine, fast.....

fixeruperer
5th July 2007, 11:21 PM
my first turbo build was bigport gze standard with ballbearing t3 turbo off r33 skyline haltech and it made 215hp 1100lb (tracktive effort i think) at 17psi.
didnt lag much boost came on at about 2700ish full boost at 3400ish was a few years ago tho. ill look for sheet.

BrittanySpears
5th July 2007, 11:50 PM
how long did it last?

fixeruperer
5th July 2007, 11:58 PM
turbo didnt last too long maybe a couple of hard months.

PuGZoR
6th July 2007, 12:11 AM
Heh, keep posting guys, I want to know what turbo to go for when I upgrade. I'm thinking from a GT2510 to a GT2571, or something between. Just want around 160rwkw, but a quick curve and early boost.

ToySprinta
6th July 2007, 02:20 AM
running a really rich tune (fouls plugs in less than 50ks) turbo on full boost by 6000rpm :( got a bit of tuning to do tomorrow

Delazy
6th July 2007, 07:14 PM
Heh, keep posting guys, I want to know what turbo to go for when I upgrade. I'm thinking from a GT2510 to a GT2571, or something between. Just want around 160rwkw, but a quick curve and early boost.[/b]

2510, cant go past them in my opinion if u want crazy response.....

ozwd
6th July 2007, 10:16 PM
i m building a 4agze ae92 map ,ported head,match ported inlet ,270deg cams,got a t25g but now have upgraded to t28bb
with the t28bb is it laggy and what rpm does it start to work

the gze injectors start to lean out at 11-12psi with a turbo and std computer or at 160-170kw u can run the 13b turbo injectors which are 550cc just check the plug there are two types or 7m? injectors are 440cc and they fit

86sp
7th July 2007, 12:49 AM
GZE injectors shouldnt run out at 12psi. Im running 14 and could push it further. Making 160rwkw. With 440's it should push just under 200rwkw depending on the amount of boost you want to run. The T28bb should spool up as quick as the t25g.

fixeruperer
7th July 2007, 12:56 AM
my 440's at 60odd psi of fuel pressure wich would flow close to 500 were nearly maxed out at just over 200kw

devolutio
7th July 2007, 01:40 AM
anyone using standard 4age bottom end with a turbo? I'm setting mine up with wolf3dv4 and t25 from ca18det. been a bit busy and had to put it off recently though.

AE71 Rolla
7th July 2007, 02:38 AM
T28 is the way to go. it may take a tiny bit longer to spool up than a T25 but it has a nice mid range and top end response.

I had a stock AFM GZE with an S14 T28 non bb i picked up for $200. (the ceramic turbz don't get as hot as the ball bearing ones)
7M injectors put in as ZE ones couldn't keep up.
Stock ECU on 14PSI and had no boost spike ever. Just ran lean coz i never had i tuned properly so it went boom!!!

A larger frount mount will make your car laggy as it has to compress so much air so go for a 450 instead of a 600.(use as little ic piping as you can aswell. i have under half a metre of piping for both ends!) i have a 600 and it never came on full boost till 5000 but it comes on real hard.

ToySprinta
7th July 2007, 08:32 AM
before they popped a headgasket on the dyno :angry2: (spike to 28psi) mine was making 150kw at 4000rpm, they hadn't tuned past that yet...

BrittanySpears
7th July 2007, 09:54 AM
fark just be glad that the head gasket was all it did :crazy:

ToySprinta
7th July 2007, 10:31 AM
yeah, was on the dyno, so backed off as it started spiking... a/f didn't drop below 12:1 though...

albertos
8th July 2007, 08:57 PM
sorry if of topic but with that power are u running a w58 or similiar

im making a bit less power but blew 3rd gear on sat with t50

ToySprinta
9th July 2007, 03:54 PM
yep, blew the original t50 with only 120rwkw... running a 57 now :)

AE71 Rolla
9th July 2007, 11:19 PM
yep, blew the original t50 with only 120rwkw... running a 57 now :)[/b]
Also off topic but do you have your speedo hooked up to your 57?

albertos
9th July 2007, 11:28 PM
a sigma push bike speedo goes up to 300km/hr u just glue the pick up inside front rim and the other part goes around the shock does max speed/laptime/distance $35

ToySprinta
10th July 2007, 12:37 AM
yup, its 20% out though

AE71 Rolla
13th July 2007, 08:56 PM
a sigma push bike speedo goes up to 300km/hr you just glue the pick up inside front rim and the other part goes around the shock does max speed/laptime/distance $35[/b]

You're a mad cnut hahaha. i am definatley doing that. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: How big is the screen though??? Stupid question but is it legal?

20% aint too much though. just do 50 in a 60 zone on your speedo

asher
16th July 2007, 06:36 PM
Anyone used a W56 gearbox out of a 2wd Hilux? If so does what bellhousing did you use as it looks like a different pattern to W58?

86xxx
17th July 2007, 11:51 AM
W56 and 58 'should' have the same bolt pattern, all w5* should in fact. Correct me if I'm wrong!!

JDMJNKY
17th July 2007, 02:23 PM
Anyone running a t28 bush turbo? how is it for response/lag, whats the power band?

Much difference between the bb and the non bb?[/b]

Will be very soon ill let you know

asher
17th July 2007, 08:20 PM
I am pretty sure the W50 has a different bolt pattern. Want to run the W56 as I have one I got for free so will save on cost. But have not seen any one with a custom bellhousing bolted up to it.

ToySprinta
20th July 2007, 07:32 PM
should be common knowledge, but if you build ure engine with ARP studs, make sure you grind down the front exhaust side one, otherwise it and ure CAS get cosy :)

Sparkle86
20th July 2007, 08:24 PM
I am pretty sure the W50 has a different bolt pattern. Want to run the W56 as I have one I got for free so will save on cost. But have not seen any one with a custom bellhousing bolted up to it.[/b]

Any bellhousing that bolt to a w55 w57 w58 will bolt to the W56. But I believe the input shafts are longer on the W56, 190mm compared to the 160mm of the W55 W57 W58, so they won't fit.

cuzzo
24th July 2007, 05:42 PM
What cams should I use for a 4agte engine looking for a small bit of streetability but mostly drag racing.

Looking for 240kw atrw. I have 173kw atrw with standard ae92 4agze cams.

cuzzo
24th July 2007, 06:05 PM
Yeah apparently but I want more of an upgrade then standard 4age cams. BTW I have a microtecg so no issues with ecu.

ToySprinta
24th July 2007, 10:16 PM
I'm running 282's, let you know how they go after the dyno tomoz.

JDMJNKY
25th July 2007, 07:26 PM
What cams should I use for a 4agte engine looking for a small bit of streetability but mostly drag racing.

Looking for 240kw atrw. I have 173kw atrw with standard ae92 4agze cams.[/b]


goodluck keeping 240rwkw together have to be an extreemly tough build!!

cuzzo
25th July 2007, 07:28 PM
FLYNSX has a 4agte in an AE92 with a GT2871rs turbo and plenty of psi but make 240kw + at the Front wheels though ( I know drivetrain loss is less in a fwd)


I'm not saying it wouldnt have cost a lot of money to get there but with a drag car it doesnt need to stay together forever.

ozwd
25th July 2007, 08:40 PM
the cams from flynsx are camtech 270 deg stage 1

cuzzo
6th August 2007, 08:00 PM
So anyone else have some knowledge when it comes to cams?

AE71 Rolla
6th August 2007, 08:21 PM
Where did every ###### get get their water feeds from for their turbos?

And does it matter which way they around they go? Like does the turbo have a feed line and drain for the water like oil?[/b]

Heater lines dude.
i don't think it matters as i just bunged mine on and it runs cool as :2thumbs:

ToySprinta
6th August 2007, 10:34 PM
ditto, just tee'd into heater lines.

Now with some slight teething problems, (only running 282 inlet cam with standard exhaust cam due to head stud altercations :s ) This setup is has 5psi boost at 3000rpm, building to 12-13psi at 4200rpm, very hard transition though.
Because of ignition problems, we can only run it to 5500rpm (lame) but at 12psi it is making 130rwkw. with still anothe 3500rpm to go :)

The bigger exhaust cam should make the turbo spool a littlie bit quicker too... will find out in the next week.

cuzzo
6th August 2007, 10:35 PM
Good stuff to hear!

I want to see 190kw from 15psi!

ToySprinta
6th August 2007, 10:54 PM
lol i wish, we're expecting at least 160 from 14, and hopefully crack 200 with 20 :D

cuzzo
6th August 2007, 10:58 PM
Im getting 172 on 16-17psi standard gze ae92 cams. so i hope you get more. :)

fixeruperer
7th August 2007, 12:33 AM
you should most definetly get 200kw from 20psi

70XIN
7th August 2007, 06:09 PM
lol i wish, we're expecting at least 160 from 14, and hopefully crack 200 with 20 :D[/b]

My guess (since your car setup is very very similar to mine) is ... hopefully .. around 230kw :)

ToySprinta
7th August 2007, 06:32 PM
That'd be unreal, but i don't think i'll reach 130

70XIN
7th August 2007, 07:20 PM
That'd be unreal, but i don't think i'll reach 130[/b]

130? it aint NA champ :greenbounce:

newzero01
9th August 2007, 09:44 PM
ditto, just tee'd into heater lines.

Now with some slight teething problems, (only running 282 inlet cam with standard exhaust cam due to head stud altercations :s ) This setup is has 5psi boost at 3000rpm, building to 12-13psi at 4200rpm, very hard transition though.
Because of ignition problems, we can only run it to 5500rpm (lame) but at 12psi it is making 130rwkw. with still anothe 3500rpm to go :)

The bigger exhaust cam should make the turbo spool a littlie bit quicker too... will find out in the next week.[/b]

just wondering wat turbo your runnin there champ, im just about done on the engin rebuild head gets back tomorrow & hopefully itl be assembled & sittin in the car by sunday atm iv got a garret t25g just hope its gonna be enough..

ToySprinta
9th August 2007, 10:55 PM
I'm running GT28RS with .60 housing

and 7oxin: :owned:

:P

86sp
10th August 2007, 10:06 AM
Same here, it seems like a popular choice. Once I get the driveline sorted its gonna get 20psi. See if a stock motor can handle it..

ozwd
12th August 2007, 09:17 PM
anyone using a different ignition system,rather than the stock twin coil or is the stock one up to the job

JDMJNKY
14th August 2007, 07:31 PM
Same here, it seems like a popular choice. Once I get the driveline sorted its gonna get 20psi. See if a stock motor can handle it..[/b]

mate change the headgasket, put in a trd metal gasket before you put 20psi through its the weakest link in a stock motor!!

JDMJNKY
14th August 2007, 07:40 PM
my car blasted a radiator hose off during a drift comp 3 weeks ago so it was time for the new motor i had profesionaly built.Was running 154rwkw @14psi all sweet at qld raceway limiter bashing sweelty till I started it up from cold and its making some killer knocking noise and running on 3 cly pulled it apart found a mashed arias forged piston, some piece of metal made it way in there so new piston time!!!
Anyone thinking of rebuilding a ze DONT unless it breaks I have had so much reliable sucess with a standard unopened engine!!!!

ToySprinta
14th August 2007, 07:43 PM
don't tell me that now :P never had a problem with my unopened motor either...

AE71 Rolla
14th August 2007, 08:05 PM
my car blasted a radiator hose off during a drift comp 3 weeks ago so it was time for the new motor i had profesionaly built.Was running 154rwkw @14psi all sweet at qld raceway limiter bashing sweelty till I started it up from cold and its making some killer knocking noise and running on 3 cly pulled it apart found a mashed arias forged piston, some piece of metal made it way in there so new piston time!!!
Anyone thinking of rebuilding a ze DONT unless it breaks I have had so much reliable sucess with a standard unopened engine!!!![/b]



don't tell me that now :P never had a problem with my unopened motor either...[/b]

I agree with you both, don't do it unless it has gone bang(like mine). it was everything else like electrical issues that went wrong first

ToySprinta
23rd August 2007, 11:42 PM
lol i wish, we're expecting at least 160 from 14, and hopefully crack 200 with 20 :D[/b]

Just ran 160rwkw at 12psi with a fucked CAS. Coughs and misfires 3500-5500 then runs out to 7500 :)
Getting there.... slowly..... but getting there

biggo
24th August 2007, 09:48 AM
what headgasket do i use? Ive got 20 thou oversized forgies and need a decent headgaset to suit.

looking at running 9.0 comp ratio or so, so maybe a gasket in 1mm thickness? Anyone got some ideas?

ToySprinta
24th August 2007, 01:22 PM
I'm using 40thou cometic HG, i think is about 1mm.
Cometic gaskets come in 20thou oversize too

fixeruperer
24th August 2007, 11:17 PM
i use toyo headgaskets its all in the tune to keep them good, the gze genuine heedgasket is pretty good.

ToySprinta
6th September 2007, 07:23 PM
Update on mine:
had no end of problems with the CAS, tried different sensors, rewiring.. you name it, couldn't get a clean signal out of it.
So now im getting a hall effect sensor fitted wher the reluctor setup used to go...
It doesnt end :(

JDMJNKY
7th September 2007, 11:24 PM
geez thats not good!!! im having great luck aswell put a spare gte in last weekend with some serious problems.
have got my engine back together with the new arias forgie in going for a tune tomorrow see how we go fingers crossed for #6 engine!!!!

RyGuy86
10th September 2007, 01:54 PM
^^^ dont forget an oil cooler and to run it it! HAHAHA

ToySprinta
13th September 2007, 11:48 PM
Heres the new hall effect dizzy, should work fine :D
http://www.users.bigpond.com/rgpembrey/dizzy1.jpg
http://www.users.bigpond.com/rgpembrey/dizzy2.jpg

JDMJNKY
14th September 2007, 08:20 PM
interesting!!! please elaborate what why how much where form!!!!

ToySprinta
14th September 2007, 11:45 PM
Well, after a week of late nights trying to get it running for the last NSW Drift round, including new CAS, swapping sensors, installing a reluctor interface for the haltech, completly rewiring the CAS and still not getting a decent friggin signal out of it, decided to send it off to a mob in VIC.
All thats left of the original is the shaft. It now has what looks to be a machined down Magna dizzy with hall effect sensor. The big cap you can see is the trigger wheel and the notch on the inside of the cap is home trigger.
Haven't hit me with a bill yet, but its gonna be expensive :(

SLO-030
15th September 2007, 03:14 PM
I would recommend using a oil cooler too. As far as im awere all GZEs have oil squirters. Toyota put them there for a reason. To help the cooling system to do its job. If your oil gets too hot it will loose some of its lubricating abilities and may cause bearing issues.

Also an engine that is over normal operating temps will be more prone to detonation which will kill any motor in seconds... And remember the detonation that you cant hear is the one that kills.

Another with the australian temps i would recommend using a slightly thicker oil say around 15w 50 or 20w 60 as thinner oil will be up to its operating temps before the motor is even started. In winter go for something around the 10w **

ke70kid86
18th September 2007, 12:06 AM
hey guys, ive been researching for a build i plan to do towards the end of this year. but im really curious atm, also abit of a newb to toyota, but i plan to learn a few more things before i start my build... btw dont mean to hijack...

i plan to make around 160rwkw+ on a 4agte. but i want to know which combination of head and bottom end goes best. whether it be worth a 20v with a 4agze bottom end, or a big port+agze bottom end or a small port+ze bottom end. like i said im pretty new to this stuff and would like to know what combination of head, bottom end goes together best for bang for buck money to make all day every day 160-180rwkw with full boost around at 3600rpm max. atm looking at a disco potato gt28rs or gt 28 bb turbo.

while where on the topic, would the suggested combination be able to handle this much power on a stock bottom end relatively relaibly, and would the head need new springs or cam gears or shafts?

thanks in advance, issa.

btw throw in any relative info, say things that may need changing apart from the obvious, cheers.

86sp
18th September 2007, 07:38 AM
To make the power you want all you need is a smallport GZE and a gt28rs running around 14psi. It really is that easy. This combo will be reliable as it's pretty rare to break a motor at this power level. As for the head, cam gears would be a plus as would cams but not necessary.

ke70kid86
18th September 2007, 01:15 PM
To make the power you want all you need is a smallport GZE and a gt28rs running around 14psi. It really is that easy. This combo will be reliable as it's pretty rare to break a motor at this power level. As for the head, cam gears would be a plus as would cams but not necessary.[/b]
thanks for the reply.

with this combo will i be able to pump up the psi and reach 200rwkw without breaking anything?

because i want to build something with room for improvement later down the track, thats why i asked if it was worth putting a 20v head on a ZE block. would this setup require new ignition system?

thanks again for the help, cheers.

JDMJNKY
18th September 2007, 02:19 PM
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To make the power you want all you need is a smallport GZE and a gt28rs running around 14psi. It really is that easy. This combo will be reliable as it's pretty rare to break a motor at this power level. As for the head, cam gears would be a plus as would cams but not necessary.[/b]
thanks for the reply.

with this combo will i be able to pump up the psi and reach 200rwkw without breaking anything?

because i want to build something with room for improvement later down the track, thats why i asked if it was worth putting a 20v head on a ZE block. would this setup require new ignition system?

thanks again for the help, cheers.
[/b]


You never know what or when things are going to go wrong but 160rwkw is safe over 170 is problem city!!!!!
also read back into my posts i have written alot oabout the problems i have encounered!

ke70kid86
18th September 2007, 03:07 PM
Stock GZE bottom end
Bigport head
T517z

190rwkw on 15-17psi.

Easy.[/b]
what model GZE bottom end and model bigport head?
when does boost come on, and when is it full boost by?
dont sr boys make those snails hit 240rkw, seems abit overkill for 190rwkw on a 1.6 litre.
is this reliable? and is it with a .8 trd head gasket.
can someone answer what ignition system is needed, or will stock ZE do for this figure?

lol sorry for all the questions, but im pretty curious.

cheers, issa.

ToySprinta
18th September 2007, 03:11 PM
The later model GZE blocks with oil squirters is always preferable.
mine with 280 cams gt28rs and bigport head hits 14psi biy 4000rpm, 5psi at 3000rpm
Stock ignition is fine, as long as you dont use a haltec...

ke70kid86
18th September 2007, 03:55 PM
hey sorry for such a noob question, but what are these things redlining at? i drive an ae92sx, 4age bigport afm nothing special but i like its revyness. are your cars just redlining at the normal 7700 or are yous pushing them past the crazy 9000 rev ranges?

btw this engine wpnt be in this rolla.

cheers, issa

70XIN
18th September 2007, 04:39 PM
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Stock GZE bottom end
Bigport head
T517z

190rwkw on 15-17psi.

Easy.[/b]
what model GZE bottom end and model bigport head?
when does boost come on, and when is it full boost by?
dont sr boys make those snails hit 240rkw, seems abit overkill for 190rwkw on a 1.6 litre.
is this reliable? and is it with a .8 trd head gasket.
can someone answer what ignition system is needed, or will stock ZE do for this figure?

lol sorry for all the questions, but im pretty curious.

cheers, issa.
[/b]

Unknown block, but probably an early model GZE
Bigport AE86/AE82 head

It made full boost around 4000-4500rpm .. i might be wrong though, its been close to a year since i had that setup

SR boys make those figures on 16-20 odd psi, but remember an SR is a far bigger engine, IMO definitely not overkill ...... i have gone bigger in the quest for more power anyway :) Although im still trying to work out exactly what you mean by overkill .. were my figures crap in your opinion? or...?

Yes that amount of boost is fine, GZE's are bloody strong. The problem you will then face is gearbox strength (W-series needed), diff strength (T-series with all the good gear, or straight to F/G series as i have done), and clutch strength (still trying to find something that's good and doesn't slip .. probably twin-plate now)

Completely stock-standard head gasket. Toyotas make good gear in this respect (GE's, 1J's, 2J's, etc all have pretty decent headgaskets that can take a flogging)

Stock GZE ignitor with twin coils will be fine, i run a microtech with this and it has worked well. My GZE coils started missing a bit, so i upgraded to one of the most unassuming cars around .. the kia rio .. ran much much nicer since that change, so that might be something to think about if you have any coil problems



And to also add, i haven't change the redline past 8000 rpm, i see no need ... i will be doing cams soon, so that might change though

ke70kid86
18th September 2007, 05:11 PM
70XIN, that sounds good, but what i meant with overkill is the size of the snail, but it seems that you dont mind lag, so that dont seem to be an issue. yea the SR20 is alot bigger so i thought that with the power figures made on a sr20 with that turbo it might be to much for a baby 4age compared to it.

thanks so much for all the help and sorry for all the stupid questions as they may seem.

would it be much of difference if i just get an un-opend 20v 4AGZE and throw a gt28rs on the side of it and hopefully get 180rwkw with full boost ~17psi by 3500rpm reliably?

70XIN
18th September 2007, 08:47 PM
The last line of what you said, yes, exactly

Should get that power, and do so all day every day

ToySprinta
18th September 2007, 09:12 PM
Ran 8500rpm on my gze for over a year. nevver missed a beat :D

JDMJNKY
18th September 2007, 09:26 PM
70XIN, that sounds good, but what i meant with overkill is the size of the snail, but it seems that you dont mind lag, so that dont seem to be an issue. yea the SR20 is alot bigger so i thought that with the power figures made on a sr20 with that turbo it might be to much for a baby 4age compared to it.

thanks so much for all the help and sorry for all the stupid questions as they may seem.

would it be much of difference if i just get an un-opend 20v 4AGZE and throw a gt28rs on the side of it and hopefully get 180rwkw with full boost ~17psi by 3500rpm reliably?[/b]

if you can get an unopened 20v 4agze can you get me one!! :lol:

S15 t28 turbo spools harder than my kkr 280 turbo did!!!

Sketchypip
19th September 2007, 12:14 AM
Just reading this thread, and a few things i'm now interested in.
My 4agte build goes like this, ae101 bottom end, unknown 16 bigport head, 3.2 l custom intake plenum, 7mgte injectors, t28 bb (new), 600 pwr cooler. 044 pump.
now whats the go with the haltechs and the ignition setup? i was looking to get a e6x from haltech but read the coil setup doesn't work with them, and i really would like to change as little as possible about the gze. already took the small port head off and rebuilt it with a big port, but when you guys say unopened is better...... i get worried. .??
also i have my 4a/w5x bell housing ready just need to know what the best way of approaching a custom g/box cross member is?
and will my jdm disk diff be strong enough?
also please point out if i'm missing anything with my setup, i'm aiming for a reliable 200 rkw.......? :blink:

ToySprinta
19th September 2007, 09:07 AM
Yup, i'm running the Haltech E6X and it doesn't like the ignition setup at all. Too many teeth on the reluctor pickup. If you do end up running the Haltec you may have to grind teeth off the CAS to get a clear enough signal, as well as run a reluctor interface for the computer. Apparently the earlier E6K's didnt have as many problems though.
As for a motor being unopened, they seem to last longer when unopened, but its just a matter of time before you have to crack em open anyway...

I had a custom made xmember for my W57 but there is a template up somewhere for cheap simple effective one around somewhere.
My JDM rear has broken 2 axles already as a GZE with 120rwkw... Still gonna run it though.

JDMJNKY
19th September 2007, 02:28 PM
Yup, i'm running the Haltech E6X and it doesn't like the ignition setup at all. Too many teeth on the reluctor pickup. If you do end up running the Haltec you may have to grind teeth off the CAS to get a clear enough signal, as well as run a reluctor interface for the computer. Apparently the earlier E6K's didnt have as many problems though.
As for a motor being unopened, they seem to last longer when unopened, but its just a matter of time before you have to crack em open anyway...

I had a custom made xmember for my W57 but there is a template up somewhere for cheap simple effective one around somewhere.
My JDM rear has broken 2 axles already as a GZE with 120rwkw... Still gonna run it though.[/b]

SMALL AXLE OR BIG AXLE

drft86
19th September 2007, 04:48 PM
HOW LIKELY IS A SMALLPORT BOTTM END WITH 190PSI IN ALL FOR GOING TO HOLD UP WITH A TURBO. TD05 EXTERNAL WASTEGATE ON APPROX 7PSI.

ke70kid86
19th September 2007, 05:32 PM
if you can get an unopened 20v 4agze can you get me one!! :lol:

S15 t28 turbo spools harder than my kkr 280 turbo did!!![/b]
apparently there not that hard to get, i found a few of them at the wreckers. not to expensive either.

cheering :greenbounce:

ke70kid86
19th September 2007, 05:59 PM
forgot to mention they were obviously only fwd ones, are they much trouble converting to rwd?

cheers, issa.

cuzzo
19th September 2007, 06:02 PM
HOW LIKELY IS A SMALLPORT BOTTM END WITH 190PSI IN ALL FOR GOING TO HOLD UP WITH A TURBO. TD05 EXTERNAL WASTEGATE ON APPROX 7PSI.[/b]

It will hold up perfectly fine on a aftermarket ecu and a good tune. The tune is the key. I was running td04 turbo on 12psi on a stock*** 3ribbed bottom end. With metal headgasket. Running a stock smallport head. Drove it to a 13.0

ToySprinta
19th September 2007, 07:34 PM
Early axles...

JDMJNKY
19th September 2007, 07:46 PM
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if you can get an unopened 20v 4agze can you get me one!! :lol:

S15 t28 turbo spools harder than my kkr 280 turbo did!!![/b]
apparently there not that hard to get, i found a few of them at the wreckers. not to expensive either.

cheering :greenbounce:
[/b]

i was just joking mate Toyota never made a 20V 4AGZE, 20V were only 4age, 4AGZE were only 16V!!

JDMJNKY
19th September 2007, 07:50 PM
HOW LIKELY IS A SMALLPORT BOTTM END WITH 190PSI IN ALL FOR GOING TO HOLD UP WITH A TURBO. TD05 EXTERNAL WASTEGATE ON APPROX 7PSI.[/b]

Id say the a smallport with 190psi is an high comp gze 8.9:1 dont pump too much boost!!!! Or is it just an na engine??

ke70kid86
19th September 2007, 08:19 PM
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if you can get an unopened 20v 4agze can you get me one!! :lol:

S15 t28 turbo spools harder than my kkr 280 turbo did!!![/b]
apparently there not that hard to get, i found a few of them at the wreckers. not to expensive either.

cheering :greenbounce:
[/b]

i was just joking mate Toyota never made a 20V 4AGZE, 20V were only 4age, 4AGZE were only 16V!!
[/b]
are you sure? i mean im not positive but according to clicky (http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/phil.bradshaw/4AGE%20into%20RWD.htm#4AGE%20Development) they made a silver top 20v only, or is this wrong or did i just read incorrectly.

cheers, issa.

btw what model 4agze is supposed to be the most powerful, or cope with the most power unopened?

ToySprinta
19th September 2007, 09:31 PM
Lol, i think you'll find that a 20v is a 4aGE, GZE means supergharged

Lost Prophet
19th September 2007, 09:36 PM
I think you may have read it wrong as mentioned above the 4agze only came out with 16v head.

The ae101 model ze is the 'most powerful' in stock form at ~125kw

which is a smallport.

ozwd
19th September 2007, 11:06 PM
the ae101 gze got more hp from a dual muffler

ke70kid86
19th September 2007, 11:21 PM
oh ok fair enough... my stupid mistake :blink:

would a 20v head go well on a smallport gze block?

btw sorry for all the stupid questions, is there someone i can just pm these questions to and just annoy him instead of annoying everyone else.

thanks, issa.

Sketchypip
20th September 2007, 12:35 AM
a 20v head will work well with any application. its just a question of dollars to get it running well.
in terms of a forced induction setup the best and most consistent results are gained with an ae101 gze motor in stock trim or with a turbo and AEM.
there is not much more (if anything) that needs to be done too a late model gze i.e. M.A.P. sensed one, that can dramatically improve its overall strengh, as the production of the 4age in general, is a totally over enginered motor which is capable of handling almost twice the power it was intended for.
read my build spec in a couple of threads before, it should come close too 200 rkw without too many dramas (fingers crossed).
Bottom line. dont waste your time with a 20v forced induction setup!!!!!!!!!
P.S. unless your a millionare!

drft86
20th September 2007, 05:50 AM
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HOW LIKELY IS A SMALLPORT BOTTM END WITH 190PSI IN ALL FOR GOING TO HOLD UP WITH A TURBO. TD05 EXTERNAL WASTEGATE ON APPROX 7PSI.[/b]

Id say the a smallport with 190psi is an high comp gze 8.9:1 dont pump too much boost!!!! Or is it just an na engine??
[/b]


its an n/a engine. has steel 1mm head gasket. was thinking it shoulbe be right wit 7m injectors and a good tune.

ke70kid86
20th September 2007, 09:21 AM
a 20v head will work well with any application. its just a question of dollars to get it running well.
in terms of a forced induction setup the best and most consistent results are gained with an ae101 gze motor in stock trim or with a turbo and AEM.
there is not much more (if anything) that needs to be done too a late model gze i.e. M.A.P. sensed one, that can dramatically improve its overall strengh, as the production of the 4age in general, is a totally over enginered motor which is capable of handling almost twice the power it was intended for.
read my build spec in a couple of threads before, it should come close too 200 rkw without too many dramas (fingers crossed).
Bottom line. dont waste your time with a 20v forced induction setup!!!!!!!!!
P.S. unless your a millionare![/b]
thanks alot for that reply, much appreciated.

cheers, issa.

ToySprinta
30th September 2007, 05:56 PM
Cars finally running with VN coils :s

186.9rwkw at 12PSI!!!!! only problem is that its coming on way too late - about 5000rpm...

70XIN
30th September 2007, 08:53 PM
That's crazy power from such little boost

I dunno whats going on though :( i really look forward to hearing of your 'proper' power figure :)

JDMJNKY
1st October 2007, 09:32 PM
nice power figure!!! getting up into the breaking point tho!!!

Hope it all stays together for you mate!!

ToySprinta
1st October 2007, 11:43 PM
That's crazy power from such little boost

I dunno whats going on though :( i really look forward to hearing of your 'proper' power figure :)[/b]

??

I've got the dyno sheet for it.

And cos i'm only running 12psi, wouldn't be stressing it as much as a 20psi motor??

70XIN
2nd October 2007, 12:02 PM
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That's crazy power from such little boost

I dunno whats going on though :( i really look forward to hearing of your 'proper' power figure :)[/b]

??

I've got the dyno sheet for it.

And cos i'm only running 12psi, wouldn't be stressing it as much as a 20psi motor??
[/b]

I think we're both misunderstanding each other here

I was saying your power figure is excellent for such little boost. But that 5000rpm full boost seems a bit funny for a turbo of that size.

Oh, and i thought you were trying to go for 20psi with your setup

By no means am i giving you grief :P i think your car is sicknessss

ToySprinta
2nd October 2007, 07:05 PM
I think the low boost/high power is because of the cams giving such high flow, and this would also explain the high boost point too.
We are going to try and close the duration up with cam gears but if that doesnt work, i might have to go to less agressive cams. I'd much rather have the response than power.
The plan was to run 20psi but when it ran up 180 on the dyno, we left it at that for testing.

fixeruperer
2nd October 2007, 09:58 PM
what spec are your cams @ .50 ?

ToySprinta
10th October 2007, 09:11 AM
Dont know sorry :(

http://www.users.bigpond.com/rgpembrey/powaa.jpg

PuGZoR
17th January 2008, 02:43 PM
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but just wanted to pose a question again, and didn't really want to make a new thread.

Anyway, I've got a AE101 GZE block and head, Cometic metal headgasket, ARP headstuds, 440cc injectors, Microtech LT10S, AJPS T25 flanged turbo manifold with external 38mm wastegate, and lines to suit a T25/T28. I want a turbo that provides around 160kW at the rears, but comes on early in the rev range. I was thinking a Garrett GT2560R (otherwise known as a GT28R apparently) which is the replacement for late model SR20 turbo's, and should bolt straight up to my application, but would this give me the power and response that I'm looking for? Looking at the dyno charts in this thread, a GT28RS would be heaps more power than I want, and come on awfully late in the rev's, so not real keen on that. Would like to see full boost at around 3500rpm...

Can anyone help?

70XIN
17th January 2008, 05:09 PM
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Sorry to dig up an old thread, but just wanted to pose a question again, and didn't really want to make a new thread.

Anyway, I've got a AE101 GZE block and head, Cometic metal headgasket, ARP headstuds, 440cc injectors, Microtech LT10S, AJPS T25 flanged turbo manifold with external 38mm wastegate, and lines to suit a T25/T28. I want a turbo that provides around 160kW at the rears, but comes on early in the rev range. I was thinking a Garrett GT2560R (otherwise known as a GT28R apparently) which is the replacement for late model SR20 turbo's, and should bolt straight up to my application, but would this give me the power and response that I'm looking for? Looking at the dyno charts in this thread, a GT28RS would be heaps more power than I want, and come on awfully late in the rev's, so not real keen on that. Would like to see full boost at around 3500rpm...

Can anyone help?[/b]

HKS 2510.

Will give you that power figure without any lag. Can be picked up cheaply second hand. Ask josh young, and anyone who has been in his car when it was turbo how good this combination is. For drifting of for mountain driving, it's wicked.

Delazy
17th January 2008, 09:59 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PuGZoR @ Jan 17 2008, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=470339)
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but just wanted to pose a question again, and didn't really want to make a new thread.

Anyway, I've got a AE101 GZE block and head, Cometic metal headgasket, ARP headstuds, 440cc injectors, Microtech LT10S, AJPS T25 flanged turbo manifold with external 38mm wastegate, and lines to suit a T25/T28. I want a turbo that provides around 160kW at the rears, but comes on early in the rev range. I was thinking a Garrett GT2560R (otherwise known as a GT28R apparently) which is the replacement for late model SR20 turbo's, and should bolt straight up to my application, but would this give me the power and response that I'm looking for? Looking at the dyno charts in this thread, a GT28RS would be heaps more power than I want, and come on awfully late in the rev's, so not real keen on that. Would like to see full boost at around 3500rpm...

Can anyone help?[/b]

HKS 2510.

Will give you that power figure without any lag. Can be picked up cheaply second hand. Ask josh young, and anyone who has been in his car when it was turbo how good this combination is. For drifting of for mountain driving, it's wicked.
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agreed....perfect all round turbo for a 4agte....

PuGZoR
18th January 2008, 04:33 PM
What would a Garrett GT2560 be like in comparison to this?

skin
18th January 2008, 05:31 PM
Prob laggier be the only difference

Best thing about 2510 is it has same top end without the lag

PuGZoR
21st January 2008, 05:40 PM
After much thinking, I've decided to try the Garrett GT2560R. Comparing internals, the only real difference between the two is in the compressor wheel inducer and compressor wheel trim.

Turbo Name | Compressor Inducer Wheel (mm) | Compressor Exducer Wheel (mm) | Compressor Trim Compressor A/R | Turbine Wheel Diameter (mm) | Turbine Trim | Turbine A/R |
HKS GT2510 47.7 60.1 63 0.6 53.0 62 0.64
Garrett GT2560R 46.5 60.0 60 0.6 53.0 62 0.64

Going on inducer wheel size alone, it'd have less top end but wouldn't be as laggy, although differences between the two would be fairly minimal. Obviously if money wasn't an option, the HKS unit would be perfect, but considering I can pick a brand new Garrett for the price of a second hand, unrebuilt HKS model, I'm just going to go the Garrett. Don't think I'll regret my choice. :)

350hp4agte
21st January 2008, 08:13 PM
why do alot of you guys say that 20v are no good boosted is money the only reason

PuGZoR
22nd January 2008, 09:54 AM
20v head on a GZE bottom end, or using GZE pistons, would be fine, but yeah, stock 20v pistons are high compression. High compression + decent amount of boost = detonation. You could run a low amount of boost, but for the money you'd be better off doing NA mods like cams, porting, valves, etc. It's pretty much essential to have a low compression ratio for turbo applications, no more than 9:1. GZE pistons come in 8:1 and 8.9:1, depending which generation. You could always throw a very thick headgasket on a 20v to turbo it, or a decompression plate, but, you wouldn't have the strength of the GZE pistons, which from my impression, are quite well built. Mind you, I've always looked at the forced induction route so I have no idea on how 20v pistons hold up, I just know they're high compression and therefore unsuitable.

350hp4agte
22nd January 2008, 10:39 AM
thanks i understand hi comp + boost = bad but ingeneral people say dont bother going down the path of 20v turbo i just wanted to no if the only reason was money for such things as low comp pistons ect i've almost spent 10g's on my 20v turbo (not finished yet) just want to no what trouble people have had or if the people saying it are just saying its easyer and cheaper to use 4agze and turbo it

also i boosted my stock 20v for well over 8 months ran sweet never faild 6psi made 158hp atw from memory

PuGZoR
22nd January 2008, 10:52 AM
Yeah, would say it's mostly hassle and cost for low comp pistons. There aren't many turbo's that run efficiently at low boost too, so that kind of limits things as well. A satisfactory turbo set up (for drifting and street use, in my opinion) should be in the area of 220rwhp for a 16V 4A, and isn't hard to achieve if you select your components correctly. Further more, cost difference would probably be minimal between that responsive 220rwhp through a 16v 4AGZE block and head, and your 158rwhp 20v 4AGE. Having said that though, you will have far better bottom end torque and power, but the GZE built turbo setup would still be a lot quicker from around 3KRPM onwards. So to summarize, the GZE block/head combo is probably the most cost-efficient and hassle-free turbo 4A routes, but it's still viable to do a 20v turbo conversion if you don't mind changing a few things.

350hp4agte
22nd January 2008, 10:59 AM
cheers once again, im hoping to make over 350hp atw with my new 20v set up up so i'll let you no how it goes

drft86
23rd January 2008, 01:55 PM
had a n/a 4age (195psi in all 4), put a turbo on, 8.5psi, thought it would last a bit. got 8 laps of qr only, made 174.4rwhp

ToySprinta
24th January 2008, 07:48 AM
the 2nd hand bigport motor i chucked in for the last drift round lasted 1/2 the day, then blew a head gasket, and then kept running the rest of the day a bit hotter :P

JDMJNKY
1st February 2008, 09:09 PM
just a quick update i have a t28nonbb on my street sprinter making 129.7kw @11psi
running a t50 and t seies has been running sweet untill out of nowhere the other morning i putted down my road to warm my car up turned up a hill went from first to 2nd gear not pushing it at all and bang #1 t50 gone hasnt made a noise has been shifting sweet and all of a sudden easy driving and bang!!

has serious response with the turbo no top end at all but is a stock smallport ze with a trd metal headgasket.

reecegze
10th February 2008, 04:47 AM
i have got he same setup going on my ae86 t28 non bb with my ae92 afm running standard ecu... i was hoping for alitte more then 129kw from the turbo at 11psi , i think i might needa invest in a microtech and injectors to get 150 kw


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just a quick update i have a t28nonbb on my street sprinter making 129.7kw @11psi
running a t50 and t seies has been running sweet untill out of nowhere the other morning i putted down my road to warm my car up turned up a hill went from first to 2nd gear not pushing it at all and bang #1 t50 gone hasnt made a noise has been shifting sweet and all of a sudden easy driving and bang!!

has serious response with the turbo no top end at all but is a stock smallport ze with a trd metal headgasket.[/b]

cuzzo
10th February 2008, 09:43 AM
With a aftermarket ecu the least you will get is 156kw atw. :) bout 12psi.

skin
10th February 2008, 02:21 PM
t28 off gtr the bees knees

great size

JDMJNKY
10th February 2008, 02:58 PM
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With a aftermarket ecu the least you will get is 156kw atw. :) bout 12psi.[/b]

keep dreaming mate i have a microtech lt10 on that setup!!! its so amusing the power figure talkers.

cuzzo
10th February 2008, 09:52 PM
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With a aftermarket ecu the least you will get is 156kw atw. :) bout 12psi.[/b]

keep dreaming mate i have a microtech lt10 on that setup!!! its so amusing the power figure talkers.
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HAHA it so amusing people that think they know what they are talking about

http://members.optusnet.com.au/cousins23/dyno.jpg

On 12psi td04. A t28 is a much larger and better turbo than a td04.

Come on dude don't think your the one that knows all.................

reecegze
13th February 2008, 06:25 AM
Is there anything else done to your car ?? higher comp ratio, cams ? is it a ae101 block or ae92 bigport

skin
13th February 2008, 07:43 AM
ae92 is a smallport dude

cuzzo
13th February 2008, 07:44 AM
Its was a standard 4age bigport block with a smallport head with a trd head gasket.

7mgte injectors standard cams

ozwd
3rd March 2008, 10:39 PM
whats the best coils to run on the 4agte

ToySprinta
4th March 2008, 01:41 PM
I'm running 2 VN V6 coils on mine.

RobertoX
4th March 2008, 03:50 PM
Jays car made 167.9 on 15psi

JDMJNKY
5th March 2008, 08:23 PM
last year my car made 169rwkw on 15psi exact same setup my car made 156rwkw on 18psi t28bb turb and microtek

put a CA TB on a custom manifold, manifold obviously didnt work well big mistake jdm4ag mani going back on

Matt-AE86
6th March 2008, 12:11 PM
Maybe it was your throttle body.. Keep custom mani and change throttle body. Try that out first.

Tyrie
6th March 2008, 12:42 PM
My setup consists of a high-kilometre (apparantly it was taken out of a ae86 coz it was old and had low compression) bigport GZE (coilpack and MAP, not necessarily standard) with autronic, standard bigport RWD inlet manifold with TVIS removed, GZE injectors, custom steampipe lowmount turbo manifold and Hi-flowed FJ20 T3 turbo with BB core. 2.5" exhaust from turbo back. Oh and a very noisy T50 :2thumbs:

It made 146.5kw on ~12psi. Thats 36kw more than the supercharger with the same boost, and 1.2sec quicker 1/4mile.
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/165828.jpg

JDMJNKY
8th March 2008, 08:12 PM
with the jdm amanifold back on my car made 166rwkw @18psi what izzzz going on

cuzzo
8th March 2008, 09:23 PM
cams too big? blowing boost out of the chamber into exhaust?

70XIN
8th March 2008, 09:51 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (orangechargd86 @ Mar 8 2008, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=498988)</div>
with the jdm amanifold back on my car made 166rwkw @18psi what izzzz going on[/b]

compression or boost leak question mark

d1_drift_kid
27th March 2008, 10:58 PM
lol 0.8mm head gasket, for them tuubos your should run a thicker head gasket even 2 gaskets, just to lower the compression

ToySprinta
27th March 2008, 11:10 PM
almost finished my rebuild....again...
running smaller 272s this time though