Has anyone run a 195 45 15 tire on the front before?

[slydar]

from a cosmetic point of view this tire size interests me.

but i guess its really "designed" for a slightly lighter vehicle.

has anyone run them and can comment?

i can say for sure i prefer 195 50 15 over a 185 60 14 for steering feel etc.

discusion?

[Jacobxxx]

On a 6" rim?

[AJPS]

what brand?

i dont think its a good idea unless youre just meeting people in car parks

[slydar]

it would be on an 8. brand ? federal 595 is what i was thinking of. youre right though, that might be the limiting factor.

[elda_bob]

I ran a ku31 on the front of my s13 for one event. 195 45 15.
Have since gone to a 50.

[Jacobxxx]

Nick, mind explaining why you went to the 50?

[AJPS]

its wack on a corolla because its smaller than std rolling diameter

[elda_bob]

It gave me a better tyre guard gap mostly.

[slydar]

its wack on a corolla because its smaller than std rolling diameter

comparison below, 185 60 14/195 45 15

Original tire
Sidewall: 4.37 in
Radius: 11.37 in
Diameter: 22.74 in
Circumf: 71.44 in
Revs/mile: 886.89

New Tire
Sidewall: 3.45 in
Radius: 10.95 in
Diameter: 21.91 in
Circumf: 68.83 in
Revs/mile: 920.52

Speedometer reading with new tire is 3.65% too fast.

195 50 15 -

New Tire
Sidewall: 3.84 in
Radius: 11.34 in
Diameter: 22.68 in
Circumf: 71.24 in
Revs/mile: 889.36

185 55 14 -

New Tire
Sidewall: 4.01 in
Radius: 11.01 in
Diameter: 22.01 in
Circumf: 69.15 in
Revs/mile: 916.24

so 195 45 15 almost the same as 185 55 14. which is a super common size used on a hachi in japan, the only thing holding it back here is availability.

also, with the 195 45 i dot need any wider than a 15x8. if i run that size rim i can also fit a larger RCA (than using a 14). using a 15x8 (as opposed to something wider) makes live easier for a lot of reason. typical offsets are also better, i really dont like the idea of any more than single digit negative offset on the front.

[xsoarerx]

195/45 will be fine man, espically on a 86. 50 profile is atad to big for a sprinter.

ku31's are not bad for steerers, run 195/55 on the supra for a year but i wouldnt run them for longer than say 6 months, ran my pair for a year and even tho there was heaps of tread they just had no grip.

i'd prob go the 595's if you can afford it. running 595 evo's atm and altho not as good, def compariable to Re11's... Re11's are epic tho!

[ae86-13b]

i had 195-45r15 michis on my 15 by 8 looks tuff i think especially when slammeddd

[kepanno]

low style runs them on his 8:s

[matt99]

Slightly off topic, but do many companies make a 15 that has a similar sidewall height to a 195/50 but in a wider tread? IE 205/45, etc?

[xsoarerx]

that would be a very very uncommon size.

195/45 is pretty popular euro size, espically with the VW guys. 195/45 R15, R14 and R13... never seen a 205/45 apart from in a 16"

google your size is the best way to find out tho, you'll quickly learn tho... if you cant find it on a bob jane website or the likes its a hard to find or isnt kept in stock in Oz.

[matt99]

Yeah, being kept in stock isnt too much of an issue as ill probably be the one stocking it anyway, haha. Was just wondering if it was known to be made by any companies. The search begins.

[AJPS]

a lot of jap sprinters run 195/55 (as seen in most option videos that ive seen anyway)

195/50 is not too big for an 86, its the correct size

[slydar]

yeah. load rating for the 595 is 420kg. compared to 470 for 195 50. its pretty well within spec.

[slydar]

yeah its a semi common enough size now. ive been aware of it for years due to my interest in VW's, but now i think it comes on polo's and jazz' stock here in Au. so its not like theyre going to dry up.

im more concerned about the handling characteristics with such a short sidewall.

[toygt]

i had 195 45 15 kumho 712's on my notch with 15 8 meisters s1's they where mint no rub had to change to a 215 for cert which sux going back to 195's as soon as the roads get better in chch

[marvis]

You can get 595 in 185 55 14

[bigm]

have you recently checked for availability marv? i rang federal brisbane up a few months back and at that stage they said they wernt making them. not sure to the truth to it but.

[Jacobxxx]

You can't order them in Australia is what i was told yesterday when i called up asking for some. Found a company that will ship to Australia from USA but its $130USD purchase price + $250USD shipping for a PAIR.

But that's pretty offtopic since this is a thread about 195/45/15's

[ke_70]

from where i get my 185/55/14 595's they are readily avalible and still made new. if fact they're quite easy to sorce in sa... and cheap.

[benzo]

Major shops won't bother. Can get them with one days notice at ~$110ea

I have talked about this with both Clay and Blair.

[Jacobxxx]

Might just settle on those hero hz01's?

[Jdm-Mcc]

195/45's are tiny! similar sidewall height too 175/50! Wouldnt be keen on driving australias roads with firm suspension and anything smaller then a 185/55

[Prime86]

Hey

I run 195/55.15's on the front of my Sprinter no probs. I find them good on the track with plenty of grip but these are run on 8inch rims and my car is very low also.

Brad

[matt99]

Good to hear mate. The question was about 45's not 55's.

[Prime86]

Haha

Thought it was about 45's and do 195's fit gaurd wise, that was the answer.

[OniKyan]

I don't understand why anyone would want smaller tyres. Hardparking hipster?

[slydar]

I don't understand why anyone would want smaller tyres. Hardparking hipster?

ok. so im a little under the weather today and youre gonna cop it.

who the fuck are you? seriously?

the tire in question is easily within load rating for an 86, that and the fact is very close to the stock rolling diameter and tread section make it a legitimate question..

this is a legitimate question asked from a performance point of view.

ive already stated the positive attributes.. but again -

the rolling diameter is similar to a 185 55 14. which most people on here would not argue is an unreasonable size for a hachi.

using the smaller tire and the larger rim give more room (between the ball joint and the inside of the rim) for a larger RCA for better geometry at the same ride height.

also the shorter side wall doesnt need as wide a rim to give a mild stretch. the narrower rim (which is always in a less deep offset) should steer a bit better and give more room for more lock etc.

honestly. your response is pretty annoying. youre as bad as the old fuckwit holden/ford street machiners 5/10 years ago. no imagination, completely afraid of change.

shoot me down for just wanting a little discussion about a particular tire choice before i commit to spending $2k on a set of wheels that suit.

i was here first. youre welcome to leave. otherwise shut up.

[Sam-Q]

Dimitri you didn't mention what I think would be the best one- with the lower side wall you get to have a common wheel size but still have a good balance between side wall rigidity vs good contact patch and the lack of "tram-lining"

I want to see what your results are in using these as I think it would work out well

[OniKyan]

also the shorter side wall doesnt need as wide a rim to give a mild stretch.

Ohh, yeah. I forgot how awesome stretch is. :S

In case you couldn't tell, that thing at the end of my post was a question mark, which means I was asking a question. Not calling you a hardparking hipster. I don't understand why you would want to run the smaller tyres, it's a legitimate lack of understanding.

I was always under the impression that more tyre means more grip....

I wasn't dissin' you, holmes. Sorry if it seemed that way.

[benzo]

Ohh, yeah. I forgot how awesome stretch is. :S

Dude, seriously..?

You gonna preach on how mild stretch is from hell, on an AE86 forum....

Don't even go down the path > more tyre = more grip

[ke_70]

more tyre does not alway mean more grip.
i know this goes against everything everyone knows...

[OniKyan]

more tyre does not alway mean more grip. i know this goes against everything everyone knows... Well, in that case then, my point seems invalid. Carry on, my bad. My lack of understanding as to why you would want to run smaller than commonly used (on AE86's) tyres was that, it seems like a lot of effort to find good tyres in that size, then you would be the one testing if they work out well. When 195/50's, 205/50's etc are more commonly available and I was under the presumption that larger tyres would give you more grip.

[slydar]

it isnt smaller? its a normal size for an 86. people usually use 185 or 195 on the front. sometimes 205. unless it a competition/race car. which is not what im building.

its a weekend fun/drift car. ive driven 86s with high quality performance 195 tires on the front before. i dont want any extra grip. its plenty for the road and any level of drift competition im likely to be involved in.

stretch isnt bad. i cant believe people still go on about it. its been proven for decades to be safe if kept to responsible levels. if you like the look, then cool. if you dont, dont sweat it. you loose a little grip, you gain a little rigidity/response. if your car isnt built to compete in a timed event, then tune it to the level of grip/look that you want.

[ke_70]

i thought stretch stuffed with the slip angles on the tyres?

not calling you wrong just want to discuss it...

and isn't standed width 175? i wouldn't put much wider than a 195 anyway.

[OniKyan]

it isnt smaller? its a normal size for an 86. people usually use 185 or 195 on the front. sometimes 205. unless it a competition/race car. which is not what im building.

its a weekend fun/drift car. ive driven 86s with high quality performance 195 tires on the front before. i dont want any extra grip. its plenty for the road and any level of drift competition im likely to be involved in.

stretch isnt bad. i cant believe people still go on about it. its been proven for decades to be safe if kept to responsible levels. if you like the look, then cool. if you dont, dont sweat it. you loose a little grip, you gain a little rigidity/response. if your car isnt built to compete in a timed event, then tune it to the level of grip/look that you want.

That's fair enough, the reasons you explained in the post at the top of this page make a lot of sense anyway.

I've just always heard that stretched tyres increases sidewall rigidity and reduces contact patch to the point where you lose grip. I've got super stretched tyres on my AE86 and would like a little more front end grip, it's just nearly impossible to find tyres bigger than a 185/60/14 and that's why I thought people run stretch, due to tyre availability.

I couldn't grasp the concept of why you would want to intentionally build to have stretch as it's commonly looked down upon by grip oriented communities (sometimes I forget people like to drift) but you've made your reasons quite clear.

Carry on, good sir.