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worked
10th July 2009, 01:00 PM
bit interested to who has got out there and had a go with a 7ag, thinkin about pissin my ca off and gettin into a 7ag, drifted plenty of 4ags before but just wondering if anyone had cut a skid with a 7a and what they thought?
mint??
shit??
wouldn't rev??
baked them??
what internals would they use??
thanks for your help!
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ae86hachiroku
10th July 2009, 01:16 PM
Good thread, seems a lot of people reppin 7AG's just daily drive it, and this is probably an answer that some of us want to here.

I'd imagine it wouldn't like the abuse of full drifting that much, seeing as it has the torque to get up in the rev range fairly easily, and from what I read in the other thread it's not liking it after 7000?

marvis
10th July 2009, 01:16 PM
I have driven one with stock internals on adaptronic, so much more torque then 4age, skids alright and goes hills pretty hard, although I haven't drifted much in it as it'd open diff atm.

worked
10th July 2009, 01:20 PM
what sorta comp does it have on stock internals??

marvis
10th July 2009, 01:24 PM
I wouldn't be able to tell you.

There is a thread on here about 7AGE's, heaps of info in there..

Trev084
12th July 2009, 01:08 AM
Good thread, seems a lot of people reppin 7AG's just daily drive it, and this is probably an answer that some of us want to here.

I'd imagine it wouldn't like the abuse of full drifting that much, seeing as it has the torque to get up in the rev range fairly easily, and from what I read in the other thread it's not liking it after 7000?

They will happily rev past 7000, have seen one at 8800rpm, You just have to know how to put one together.

fantapants
12th July 2009, 12:04 PM
this isnt really a thread about how they are built... that is covered well elsewehere....

has anyone drifted it.... josh young had a turbo 7ag that lunched mid round ...

probably best to hit the ipra guys and see who is running a 7ag there and what sort of character the motor has for them :)

Trev084
12th July 2009, 12:19 PM
this isnt really a thread about how they are built... that is covered well elsewehere....

has anyone drifted it.... josh young had a turbo 7ag that lunched mid round ...

probably best to hit the ipra guys and see who is running a 7ag there and what sort of character the motor has for them :)

Dry your eyes princess, Have you seen how many people have actually replied to the Q?

OP: I will be building a 7ag consisting of a bigport head using 45mm dcoe webers, It will be used in the QR time attack series so keep an eye out.

kaibeecee
12th July 2009, 12:43 PM
Dry your eyes princess, Have you seen how many people have actually replied to the Q?

OP: I will be building a 7ag consisting of a bigport head using 45mm dcoe webers, It will be used in the QR time attack series so keep an eye out.

dry your eyes?
did YOU read the thread title?
he asked if anyone had drifted one, josh has, and did, blow one up.

im not sure whether the rods like being revved too high. and they seem to make peak power around 6250rpm or something abouts. nothing too high.

Trev084
12th July 2009, 12:49 PM
In the 1st 4 replies before me there was only 1 answer, Wanna get picky then look around.

7age hitting 8800rpm:

http://www.youtube.com/trev084#play/uploads/14/JdMp3OcdyPw

fantapants
12th July 2009, 01:36 PM
wasnt pointing yo out in particular trev, so get off your prancing pony :)

so worked asks a question to which only 1 person answers, so you think the lemming defence is fine and decide to make a tech thread out of it, when it has been dealt with MANY MANY MANY times.

If yo have nothing useful to add , stfu???

sorry for offtopic :)

worked
12th July 2009, 08:46 PM
Dry your eyes princess, Have you seen how many people have actually replied to the Q?

OP: I will be building a 7ag consisting of a bigport head using 45mm dcoe webers, It will be used in the QR time attack series so keep an eye out.

thats sorta like drift, but without the drifting bit =P
nah still interested in how you go with it man, i was thinking of the same thing, weber fed 7ag, simple to maintain.

talking to luke fink, he's already popped his 7ag in his sprinter
realistically, it seems a 4ag with cams and bit more compression seems to be the best choice at this stage, as there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of info on 7ags. i'd love to be one that does a heap of testing and pops a few to find out, but i really don't have the time. or the money.

fantapants
12th July 2009, 09:15 PM
arnt you a mate of lazy's??? he has done like a world killing amount of research on this :) let him pop his mootors and figure the magik out :)

imo on breaking engines. i hink engines have personality. And you have to work with engine you have, not make things "right". Many god engine builders build engines that let go. But when guys get a good working knowledge of how an engine wants to be put together, they tend to hold on a lot better. I think beally said it elsewhere, but when you open the motors they loose their factory magik :) Find someone who can work the magik and they should be strong and happy lil fellas. Unfortuantaley these guys are usually well hidden. :)

For the effort and expense, consider the beams, doable easily enough if you have fab skills :) and dont need to be opened to get nice numbers. Stick to a redtop and quads adap and stocko beams rwd bits... not cheap but strong and tough :)

well i hope anyways. if i ever finish mine ill lt you know about it lol.

actually you mentioned you were doing the annual right? if my shit aint finished and driving there ill sell the fucker... :(

ae86hachiroku
12th July 2009, 09:21 PM
I wouldn't doubt that a 7AG that has been built like Delazy's would have reliability issues. But a stock bottom end would, they weren't designed to be given that much shit.

worked
12th July 2009, 09:27 PM
i'll be on a pension by the time lazy gets his going, just got offered a 7ag package and was gunna turf the ca in favour of it, thought it could be built up reasonably decently and holding a 7k rev limit on stock rods with smallport pistons i can't see why it wouldn't take a thrashing, but then i'm hearing alot of probs with rod bolts.

whats the annual fantapants?? i might be attending, but i don't know what it is

ae86hachiroku
12th July 2009, 09:46 PM
You'll probably find that in drifting, you might find that limiting it to 7000 would only limit yourself and the sliding. It's got extra torque so it's going to get up and through the powerband faster therefore, if you were to drift with a 7AG, you would still be revving to 8000.

The only situation where I can see a stock internal work is on the street for a few quick small corners, get into the long gradient stuff and it's just going to climb.

fantapants
12th July 2009, 09:59 PM
my mistook :) annual 86 gathering... is in the gong this year, drift grip day at marulan... other more loosley morald pastimes in the evening :)

Sprinter86
12th July 2009, 10:09 PM
Fink blew one up the other night, was a very fresh motor too. On a good note it was a sick motor with the best tourqe out of a A series motor.

But again, it had stock rods. :S Bad combo if you want to rev it like a 4ag.

worked
12th July 2009, 10:19 PM
You'll probably find that in drifting, you might find that limiting it to 7000 would only limit yourself and the sliding. It's got extra torque so it's going to get up and through the powerband faster therefore, if you were to drift with a 7AG, you would still be revving to 8000.

The only situation where I can see a stock internal work is on the street for a few quick small corners, get into the long gradient stuff and it's just going to climb.

yeh i get you, my old gze setup had a first gen motec with a 5500 limiter we couldn't lift, scando'ing in third when everyone else is in second generally made me eat the seat with my arse from being so nervous

fantapants
12th July 2009, 10:31 PM
there are plenty well maybe not plenty :) but there ARE ipra engines out there with stock rods at high revs. There must be a reason for the failures.

trikzlane
12th July 2009, 11:40 PM
talk to felix, i believe he had one in his car once

Delazy
12th July 2009, 11:47 PM
arnt you a mate of lazy's??? he has done like a world killing amount of research on this :) let him pop his mootors and figure the magik out :)



I wouldn't doubt that a 7AG that has been built like Delazy's would have reliability issues. But a stock bottom end would, they weren't designed to be given that much shit.

id certainly hope that i dnt have any kind of troubles with the money being thrown at it, itll have everything basically and be tuned rather safe...

everything is being taken into account...oiling system, bullshit cooling, lightweight components, billet crank...but yeh, definately a fun process without throwing money at yager to build one of there proven IPRA packages...


i'll be on a pension by the time lazy gets his going, just got offered a 7ag package and was gunna turf the ca in favour of it, thought it could be built up reasonably decently and holding a 7k rev limit on stock rods with smallport pistons i can't see why it wouldn't take a thrashing, but then i'm hearing alot of probs with rod bolts.


pfffttt...engine will be built soonish...unless i decide to go with the billet crank...give me 18months and i rkn we'll be finished...lend me 20g's and we'll be done within 6 months..

for the price of aftermarket rods its definately worth the effort...i paid good money for the lightest reasonably priced rods i could in the belfab ones...spool ones are quite affordable, but ive managed to track down some quite reasonable ones down for less than $400AUD...

the problem with the rod bolts is the fact that generally the stock rod bolts pull out of the rods...a few ppl have machined the rod to accept a 4age style rod bolt but for the hassle prolly alot easier to purchase aftermarket rods and get ARP's or similar...

worked
12th July 2009, 11:54 PM
lol, i was joking lazy!
yours will be sick when finished! i just wanna get back into a 4a powered bus for the next two rounds and looking at my options, my old carb fed bigport struggled and the 20v was mint for power but is prob a bit over what i wanna spend on my car

Delazy
12th July 2009, 11:56 PM
lol, i was joking lazy!
yours will be sick when finished!r

til the day its all together,running and im happy with it, ill bite my tongue...itll look shit hot no doubt about that...but engine wise...we'll see...playing with a emgome combo that isnt exactly proven yet and spending alot of money doing so isnt a "safe feeling"...but cars, we love them for that reason :girl:

think im going to get the tunnel refabbed slightly larger during the process to replace it with a nice clean workable sr20/beams conversion when it proves me wrong and everyone else right and blows up big time...

Delazy
13th July 2009, 12:05 AM
http://www.pixorhost.net/upload/ktr7p6irc3vwbsbzrqvw7qi4jzqmwqdc1srfh71q4hh7dlh4ay .jpg


SATORU WORKS 7A-GE 20V
Everyone would have seen photos of the pink trueno from the Tokyo Autosalon. What most people dont know is who built it and why its so special.
Built almost 10 years ago, Satoru-san set out to show the world just what he can do. The car itself is nothing new with coilovers, LSD rear end, stripped interior and bodykit, and in typical japanese fashion at the time quite garish paint.


Its what lurks beneath the fibreglass bonnet that is the special part. Satoru Works is one of the first work shops credited with building whats know as a 7age. Yes thats right the big cube, high revving, open throttle wearing weapon of mass development.


Satoru-san needed something to show off at the ever popular Tokyo Autosalon and hit upon the idea of using the 7A-FE bottom end from the boring nanna corolla and combining with a silvertop 20v head!
Using custom pistons and rods, and their own secret spec cams, this 7A-GE 20V has made a dyno proven 255hp at the rear wheels!


Unfortunately in 2006 Satoru-san passed away due to a heart attack, but currently his legacy still lives on at his workshop, albeit slighty more subdued than previous efforts. Rest in peace Satoru-san.

70XIN
13th July 2009, 01:28 AM
Nick teeboon had a 7AGE (standard, NA styles, with smallport pistons instead of the 7A ones) .. went well, then he upgraded to 4AGTE or something

And that red caldina (?) in NZ has also been drifting one for a while, turbo'd as well. No engine problems so far. See first vid for awesomes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R57ZohzoayQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pshN6sleDsY&feature=related

Intense
16th July 2009, 04:17 AM
Don't 7afe's have a pretty low redline around the 6k mark? Is this limited by the flow of the head or by the strength of the pistons and bottom end, considering it's just a stroked 4afe.

And theirs lots of talk of engines failing, but what specific part failed? Like on Lukes ae86, what happened to the 7age in that? Was it a bottom end bearing or did it do something cool like blow a hole in the block?

Axentrik
17th July 2009, 05:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGnwIHeZdsI&feature=PlayList&p=B9AEBFE2B86A5B0E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3


pretty sure this is a blacktop 7age with 220hp +80hp nos.


ok sorry its a hks stroker 5ag
http://www.tunersgroup.com/yoshioka_ae86.html

Specifications

Engine:

* Black top 4AG (20V)
* 82x83 (1750cc)
* Precision built by Prime Garage, Japan
* Dry Twin Shot NOS System

Cylinder Head:

* Combustion Chamber Processing: Machined head to match combustion volume
* Intake & Exhaust port grind
* Intake & Exhaust valves shape modification
* Valve seat cut + set length match
* Valve seat Prime Original
* TODA Valve Springs
* TODA Cam Sprocket
* Camshaft Intake & Exhaust Prime Original
* Valve Lifter chamfer processed
* TRD Head Gasket

Block:

* Inner Block sand blasted
* Conrod clearance processed
* Tomei Crank Cap (Main stud & ladder set)
* Upper Block resurfaced
* Special boring & honing process

Engine Internals:

* Droo-P special Escort Pistons
* JUN Automotive Conrod (I profile)
* HKS 5AG Crank (Balanced, curve correction, wrapping)
* Special Order Toda Racing exhaust manifold

Engine Management:

* HKS F-con V pro ECU

Engine Cooling:

* ARC 3 row radiator
* APP Oil Cooler

Cockpit:

* Recaro Seat
* Takata Harness
* Nardi 330 Steering Wheel
* Works Bell Rapfix II Yoshioka Model Quick Release
* Works Bell Paddle Shifter kit (installed as nitrous oxide switch)
* HKS water temp / oil pressure meter
* Autometer tachometer

Bodyshell and bodywork:

* AE85 bodyshell (see note below)
* Vertex Body Kit
* FRP Engine Hood
* FRP Door
* Lexan windows
* Droo-P Headlight cover (for Trueno)

Drivetrain:

* HKS FC3S 5 Speed Dog mission converted
* ORC Metal Clutch
* ATS Carbon LSD

Footwork / Suspension:

* Kei Office shock absorbers with DG5 processing, Full Tap & full length type, 16 levels of adjustment
* Eastbear Pillow front arm & tension rod
* Pillow lateral bar
* Droo-P Titanium control arm
* Espelir Springs

Wheels & Tyres:

* Rays Engineering CE28N Front 16in / Rear 17in
* Advan Neova Tyres

sonsta
17th July 2009, 12:55 PM
ok looking at that video before could i just say this

Just because an engine CAN rev to 8800rpm doesnt mean it should.

id say a 7age that gets revved to that regularly it wouldnt last very long

Delazy
17th July 2009, 05:31 PM
ok looking at that video before could i just say this

Just because an engine CAN rev to 8800rpm doesnt mean it should.

id say a 7age that gets revved to that regularly it wouldnt last very long

i disagree...i think its more of a case that no1 does it properly...everyone sees them as a "cheap" torque increase and dnt think it over...

guys in NZ have been building them for awhile and quite successfully so it seems...

quite interested in seeing how grantobius goes with his...

Trev084
17th July 2009, 08:37 PM
Don't 7afe's have a pretty low redline around the 6k mark? Is this limited by the flow of the head or by the strength of the pistons and bottom end, considering it's just a stroked 4afe.

And theirs lots of talk of engines failing, but what specific part failed? Like on Lukes ae86, what happened to the 7age in that? Was it a bottom end bearing or did it do something cool like blow a hole in the block?

A 7afe makes all its torque and power down low so there is no need for them to rev over 6k.

fantapants
18th July 2009, 06:24 PM
great another debate about how to build a 7age... like we dont have enough of those :)

Intense
18th July 2009, 08:49 PM
A 7afe makes all its torque and power down low so there is no need for them to rev over 6k.

That's the tell tale sign of a truck engine. 7AGE has me pretty interested. I'd love to ditch my gze setup and go a nice 7age in the future. Not just a simple head bolted onto a 7afe, but forged rods and shit to make sure it stays together. All the torque of a GZE with none of the fuss, would be awesome.

khoala
1st August 2009, 02:28 AM
ok looking at that video before could i just say this

Just because an engine CAN rev to 8800rpm doesnt mean it should.

id say a 7age that gets revved to that regularly it wouldnt last very long


yeah plus one for that one that goes with all engines no point reving to eight cos then your jst revving for the sake of it stupid

Trev084
1st August 2009, 02:40 AM
yeah plus one for that one that goes with all engines no point reving to eight cos then your jst revving for the sake of it stupid

Like you would know wanker, Have you ever done a dyno run?

This car is a race car, It hardly sees rpms under 5500rpm.

Anyway good luck with your 4ac.

khoala
1st August 2009, 11:49 AM
Like you would know wanker, Have you ever done a dyno run?

This car is a race car, It hardly sees rpms under 5500rpm.

Anyway good luck with your 4ac.

sorry dude, your a man of statue and knowledge and i am sorry if i offended you in anyway my friend, coffee soon?

corknose
1st August 2009, 12:22 PM
depends on how you set up and engine i hear stock bigports loose power around 6000 and it just revs doesnt make anymore but yeh if setup right you can rev it to limiter and it still wants to go further

driftke70
1st August 2009, 07:02 PM
http://gtfour.supras.org.nz/pics/turbo1.jpg

shift_rook
1st August 2009, 08:21 PM
i might do one later on if i cbf doin the beams will see how shit pans out, both will cost around the same price to finish...(for my sorta setup anyway)

biggo
1st August 2009, 08:31 PM
Sounds like alot of hard work and moneh for not much gain.

grantobius
2nd August 2009, 05:01 PM
l should have some b/t 7age true power figures in 2 weeks when its booked in to be tuned

NIZLAH
2nd August 2009, 06:15 PM
l should have some b/t 7age true power figures in 2 weeks when its booked in to be tuned

cant wait for the low down.............. :thumbup:

fantapants
5th August 2009, 10:07 PM
itll never get tuned grant :P

thanks for the drinks sat night pinky :)

grantobius
6th August 2009, 06:54 AM
come on pat that aint the spirit, lol jrod is tuning is tuning so it proly will run but make 50hp less then his so he can beat me

ae71
6th August 2009, 03:25 PM
why not go with a prober 4ag stroker kit, like a cyb one? they arnt that expensive when you compare to hi-comp pistons and rods +prep work for non stroker bottom end..

Brendo
6th August 2009, 06:48 PM
Dude!! your weak haha

go a stock 20v import motor (thats unmolested) and just put a microtech on it... ull have to spend a little bit but it'll be reliable and bust a decent skid...

worked
6th August 2009, 06:59 PM
where do you find info on them shaggy nuts?

Brendo
6th August 2009, 08:53 PM
type in your questions to the drift wikipedia, goes by delazy on here :p

i found consie a bare s14 sr20det with like 80k's for 2000 delivs... surely we could find a cheap decent 20v

s14seriesII
16th August 2009, 08:20 PM
if you want cheap reliable power from a 4a/7a get yourself a good small port and quads, set of good cams and race fuel... wind in a bit of timing and away you go :)

Matt-AE86
11th September 2009, 02:28 PM
where do you find info on them shaggy nuts?

I have a conversion that is pretty much bolt in and ready to go

AE111 Blacktop 20v motor. Roughly 60,000~km
Resealed
Toyota Coil packs
Adaptronic with tune for 20v
Loom to suit 20v and adaptronic, few wires need to be connected for it to run
Kaizen Garage Distributor Cover
70mm stacks, good size to run an airbox
RS-Chita 20v Water Kit. This makes it extremely simple to put into an excisting 4age equiped 86 or even a 4ac one. 16v radiator hoses can be used.
Running the 16v rwd water pump and thermostat setup
200mm 16v Flywheel
Heavy Duty Sesco Clutch (Same factory as excedy)
JDM T50 Gearbox with Slave/Fork etc
Engine brackets with Brand new Rubber/Insulator Mounts.

$3500

Now go through and find prices for all this stuff. You will find for a CLEAN BOLT-IN 20v that is very very cheap

SHADOW KNIGHT
9th July 2010, 04:20 PM
Ive got a 7age not sure if bigport or smallport head since was built in Jland . has 304 intake 288 exht with twin 44mm mikuni carbs. Bought it not running got it running and tuned front part of crank where timing belt gear sits was worn due to bad harmonics. have had bottom end built with balanced crank and makes 80kw at the wheels on a very conservitive dyno and peak power at 7250. have also heard that my timing can be out due to the taller block and should have more power but havent had some1 play around with the cam gears. Is a shit load more tourqey than any 4age ive been in and so far has had no problems.

corknose
11th July 2010, 08:16 PM
hahaha you would have alot more if you had cams that big.

SHADOW KNIGHT
12th July 2010, 08:40 PM
Thats wat i was thinkin cams are DEFF those specs even the garage was shocked that it wasnt making more power even thoe the dyno is very conservitive.
If any one knows of a good tuner in melb with a dyno that does carbs let us no cos the guy i go to ( B and M fuel systems ) only tunes the carbs and doesnt fuck around with cam timing or anything

jet81j
12th July 2010, 10:00 PM
Shadow Knight is this the ae86 trueno notch back that was in nsw? that looked very nice car.

anyway i have a 7age as well, makes 79rwkw :( mine was surpose to be conservitvely tuned as well. i can't be sure of that though as i have had the car looked at but after i went to him i don't trust his word so i really want to get it to JEM to get it checked for sure.

Drifting. i wouldn't say i drift but in the rain its really easy as i wouldn't rev it past 3-4 and always in 3rd gear even on small corners but dry, i recon its to hard lol its really needs to be in the 2-4rev range or it has nothing, like the more you rev it the slower it goes. would rather a 20v cheaper, easier, i think. harder you rev them the better they go.

SHADOW KNIGHT
13th July 2010, 07:28 PM
Yeah it is the one from N.S.W cheers mate.
Yeah mine runs fine, revs hard and has been strong but dont know why the low kw figure. Once i get the gearbox fixed i will take it to another dyno and do a power run to see if his dyno is conservitive.
Drifting wise in the dry holds second fine on 185 14's in the industrials but havent taken it to the track. Robo's car slides 3rd and 4th with about the same power figure as ours but my steering skills aint nowhere near as gnar dog as his.
Once on the road, will get it dynoed again and post up the figures.

corknose
14th July 2010, 12:53 PM
Yeah robos wouldn't slide 4th on the road when they make teh road they put rubber and stuff to make it grippier tracks are just concrete.

Robo86
14th July 2010, 01:26 PM
if your macking it, itl slide 4th. I dont really use 2nd at all at QR anymore, 3rd is the best choice

but yer i love my motor i honestly dont need more power, not touching it! i think my figure was 102.6hp?

ae86
14th July 2010, 04:53 PM
Shadow Knight is this the ae86 trueno notch back that was in nsw? that looked very nice car.

anyway i have a 7age as well, makes 79rwkw :( mine was surpose to be conservitvely tuned as well. i can't be sure of that though as i have had the car looked at but after i went to him i don't trust his word so i really want to get it to JEM to get it checked for sure.

Drifting. i wouldn't say i drift but in the rain its really easy as i wouldn't rev it past 3-4 and always in 3rd gear even on small corners but dry, i recon its to hard lol its really needs to be in the 2-4rev range or it has nothing, like the more you rev it the slower it goes. would rather a 20v cheaper, easier, i think. harder you rev them the better they go.

not driving hard enough then

dont know if ive posted here before but its very slidable, seen a stockish 86 on chopped springs, 7age smallport with an open diff slide with 2 passengers doing whole blocks non stop
but it had a professional driver behiend the wheel.

Delazy
14th July 2010, 05:23 PM
but yer i love my motor i honestly dont need more power, not touching it! i think my figure was 102.6hp?

siff...your meant to be power hungry...needs more powa :P

my motor nears completetion finally...pity about the rest of the car tho lol :wub:

SHADOW KNIGHT
14th July 2010, 08:23 PM
Hey Robo did 4.7 gears make a big difference over standard ???
My car sits at 3500 rpm at a hundred would you know if thats standard gearing ???
Sorry for getting off topic used to be a dirty nissan owner but have seen the light and aint turning back !!!
lol i think my notchy idolises ur car its kind of its mentor !!!!

corknose
15th July 2010, 10:39 AM
They arnt 4.7 they are probs 4.5 which arnt standard. Mine is at 3000 at 100 and I have 4.3

SHADOW KNIGHT
15th July 2010, 05:22 PM
Ok fair enough i thought 3500 at 100 was standard coz my old twinkie and old mans ae92 sx both sit at 3500 at 100 ?
would jdm to adm standard gearing be different ???
Would like to go 4.7 for more skids :)

ae86
19th July 2010, 08:37 PM
i have 4.5 and i sit on about 3800-4000 at 100km pretty sure my 4.3's sat at 3500 shadow cause my 3.9's sat at 3

jet81j
19th July 2010, 09:34 PM
yer i moz well add that i have 4.3 diff and it sits at around 3000rpm at 100kms on the speedo, but i'm not doing 100kms i would be doing about 90kms :\

hachi_dk
20th July 2010, 09:01 AM
back on topic, 7ag sounds pretty shit from what i've read in this thread :/

70XIN
20th July 2010, 10:23 AM
I guess that makes all 4ag's super shit then

Delazy
20th July 2010, 12:03 PM
As ive already said in this thread...

Far frm a shit motor...everyone sees them as a cheap option of more power and in doing so "throw" them together without thought or understanding...

Only the guys that put some extra work into them appreciate wat they should be...robo and seamus an example of this...went to the effort of sorting out the timing difference of the taller block and are now rewarded by a massively fun motor...cant wait til its unlocked moreso with ecu and cams...

SHADOW KNIGHT
26th July 2010, 05:21 PM
Well i just had the fly wheel bolts come loose on mine but stoped driving it in time and only needed to emry the flywheel and crank a little.
This happend even with thread lock but got some bolts that are like 5mm longer and got some HARDCORE thread lock so hopefully all good this time round.

70XIN
26th July 2010, 05:24 PM
That's crazy .. robo's did exactly the same thing.

Now with red loctite and a bit of oil under the head of the bolts (to make sure we were torquing them the right amount) and so far has been good.

blair
26th July 2010, 05:44 PM
They arnt 4.7 they are probs 4.5 which arnt standard. Mine is at 3000 at 100 and I have 4.3

you dont have 4.3's then.

3000 at 100 is what i had with 3.9's.

Ive now got 4.3's and its more like 3400-3500 at 100km.

SHADOW KNIGHT
26th July 2010, 06:10 PM
Yeah i read that in his build and as soon as i heard that awfull noise coming from my car that crossed my mind straight away !!!
Dont know if having my crank hardend helped with not fuckin shit up but my mechanic (Ian at IDB Automotive) said that he has seen this happen a few times with some of the track cars he has worked on.
Glad to hear Robo's is still goin strong after going with stronger thread lock, yeah some ppl might diss the 7age but still feels so much stronger then any 4age ive been in

mr2drift
27th July 2010, 01:45 PM
mine was killed due to detonation, nothing else. i used a 20v bottom end, spool rods and balanced crank, as well as toda forged pistons. as a motor, it wouldve been great na and i dare say would easily have survived 8000 rpm all day, but when we wound the boost past 16psi, it went boom....

Delazy
27th July 2010, 02:09 PM
mine was killed due to detonation, nothing else. i used a 20v bottom end, spool rods and balanced crank, as well as toda forged pistons. as a motor, it wouldve been great na and i dare say would easily have survived 8000 rpm all day, but when we wound the boost past 16psi, it went boom....

i think i remeber that happening at mallala yeh?? i flew over to mallala for that event and was pretty keen to see your car skidding...then i think i remeber your car being pulled apart to keep beaus car on track??

Delazy
27th July 2010, 02:11 PM
Well i just had the fly wheel bolts come loose on mine but stoped driving it in time and only needed to emry the flywheel and crank a little.
This happend even with thread lock but got some bolts that are like 5mm longer and got some HARDCORE thread lock so hopefully all good this time round.


That's crazy .. robo's did exactly the same thing.

Now with red loctite and a bit of oil under the head of the bolts (to make sure we were torquing them the right amount) and so far has been good.

ARP 3TC flywheel bolts and red loctite ;)

good things, bought them for my motor build :)

SHADOW KNIGHT
29th August 2010, 06:23 PM
Hey Delazy where did you get your ARP 3tc flywheel bolts from ???
Went to the shop and they didnt have them listed at all ???

Delazy
29th August 2010, 10:24 PM
my engine builder got mine for me...

worst case try

http://www.paradiseracing.com/arp.htm

SHADOW KNIGHT
8th September 2010, 06:18 PM
Hey Delazy do you know if 3tc flywheel bolts are the same length as 4age ????
Trying to find these bolts seen em on your link , cant seem to get a hold of any1 in the states via email and from what i have researched i think the part number is the same for 4age and 3tc ???
Any info would be great.
cheers