14x8 0 wheels on ae86 front

[ae86]

anyone ran them specs ? do they scrub against strut/coilover?

[jay70]

hey bro if you are talking about the mkIIIs they are -12

[ROLL3R]

im running 13x8 +3 with a 3mm slip on spacer at the front, so technically 0 offset. Im running 215/50/13 tyres dont have any scrubbing issues, compared to 185/60/14 tyres the 215/50/13 are 30mm less overall rolling diameter, so thats 15mm closer to the top of the spring perch with the 185/60/14's. Saying that i wouldnt know if they clear standard struts as im running coilovers, though i wouldnt see any problems if fitting 14x8 0 offset as its not a HARDCORE sort of size wheel.

[Jonny Rochester]

I think 14" x 8" +0 offset would rub on the strut. 14" x 7" +0 should fit. And 14" x 8" +12mm offset would fit, but you would be fully expecting to cut the gaurds and use flares. I havn't actually tried this, sorry.

[ROLL3R]

That doesnt make sense ! if you say 14x8 0 offset wont fit as it will scrub on the strut. then 14x8 + 12 would definately hit the strut !

[ae86]

yeah, im not quite sure, had 7.5 -5's on just before these wheels not sure how close they were but if these wheels are 0 im guessing they will be touching

[ROLL3R]

Have you got standard struts or coilovers ? its a big difference in fitment

[ae86]

well coilovers but obviously cut up and made from an ae86 strut, so only thing is slight clearance with smaller spring and no bottom perch for it, actually from memory my old wheels were fouling against coilover spindles... well the tyres were touching it a little on one side

[ROLL3R]

i have Ra60 struts converted to coilovers, i have about 12mm clearance from the inner edge of the wheel to the strut. I would assume that because they are 14" not 13" you would have the same clearance from the stut but not from the coilover spring perch, I would say if i wound my springs down so they sit flush with the tyre i would have less then 2mm clearance from the tyre, but as im assuming your gonna run 185/60/14 stretched over them. then you should have loads of clearance... maybe 5 mm. But all depends on how low you wind down your springs !!!! Goodluck, and if your need some slip on spacers let me know.

[jay70]

so you're not talking about the mkIIIs?

[ae86]

i am talking about them but no1 is sure if they are type A or B so cant really figure otu if its 0 or -12 grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr hastles may aswell get guards chopped up

[ROLL3R]

Definately need to chop up the guards and flare them, im running sigma lca's and 13x8's with 215/50/13. i had to get bolt on flares and then do a custom wide body by pushing out my guards.

[blair]

measure them?

AND NO YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO FLARE.

provided your running a 185/60, will just need a little push with a roller.

[todd]

sigma lca's and the 215s certainly dont help the cause

[jay70]

just measure the total width of the wheel then measure from the back of the wheel to the mounting face and you will find the offset

[ae86]

heh, well i was told i can fit 185/60's on an 8 -12 with -3.5 camber so i dont think id go that far as im trying to keep body looking as origional as possible but with somewhat a nice stance, well lip to lip is 8" and whats the rest ur asking me to measure ? inner part of wheel?

edit: inner wheel is 12mm from centre to lip
outer dish is 11mm from centre to lip

[ROLL3R]

i've built the car for GRIP and lots of it :DD

[jay70]

get the total width from lip to lip in mm. divide that by 2 to find the center. measure from the back to the face that meets the hub. if the number is the same as your measurement for center you have 0 offset, if it is smaller you have neg offset

[ae86]

110mm on inner 95 on outer =\

[jay70]

what is the total width from outer edge to outer edge

[ae86]

200mm

[jay70]

wrong. 7s are 204mm. measure from the outside of the furthest edges, not bead to bead

[ae86]

u mean 204mm is 8 inches

[jay70]

no. width is measured bead to bead.

a 7 inch rim is 175 mm bead to bead and 200 lip to lip

your 8s should be 200 bead to bead and you need to find the total lip to lip

[blair]

lolll

[ae86]

my bad, was reading a 4x4 site saying u should measure bead to bead which was 204, full is 230mm inner to lip is 110mm

[jay70]

are you holding the ruler straight?

i just measured one of mine and got 225mm lip to lip and 100mm for the inner

225/2= 112.5

100-112.5= -12.5

[ae86]

was roughly but yeah ended up figureing out it should be -12 ay

[Jonny Rochester]

I think 14" x 8" +0 offset would rub on the strut. 14" x 7" +0 should fit. And 14" x 8" +12mm offset would fit, but you would be fully expecting to cut the gaurds and use flares. I havn't actually tried this, sorry.



I got this wrong sorry. I meant to say 14" x 8" -12mm offset may come close to fitting. I think 14" x 8" +12mm would need spacere for sure.



And while some on here may claim lots of wide wheels fit with only a bit a stretch and gaurd rolling... If the wheel can't move up and down with full suspension movement and steering, then it does not fit.

[fantapants]

if it aint scrubbing the guard your not doing it right :P

[Konakid]

Work out what size wheels you have then come back to this thread so i can give some advice based on fact.

Thanks.

[ae86]

haha wheelking here, i found out later yesterday by calculations they are 14x8 -12, so robo said i may be able to get away with fitting them under stock guards lipped with -3.5 camber ? so im trying to hit up ajps for some xt130 lca's recod

[gumbie]

No flareage + Oooodles of camber = easy fitment :P

[Robo86]

its what i ran, except mine were 8 -15, xt130 lca, cusco tops.. -3.5, handled fucking great too! 3.5 camber is NOT to much btw, its a fair bit for a street car but dont think its over the top :)

[provar]

camber will help more or less depending on how you get it.

if you use camber tops then the camber you put on brings the strut top in and the wheel will clear the guard better than...

...if you use longer control arms the bottom of the strut moves out. the angle still helps get the wheel past the guard but not as much as camber tops.

[Konakid]

run 185/60, stokc lca's and -2.5 camber with a lipped guard

[ae86]

guards already lipped, running stock lca's atm and -2.5 camber on cusco tops

[blair]

and does it fit?? getting longer lca's will just make it harder to tuck..

[gumbie]

my old car had, 15x8 -10, stock lca, cusco camber tops -3 deg camber fitted under stock guard with slight roll.. it never scrubbed unless i hit a little kid or something..

[ae86]

wouldnt longer lcas make it only harder to tuck if i was using less camber ? more up top will tuck top in theory

[blair]

lol. do i need to "publicise the ability of my skills in ms paint so that you can now sleep at night knowing theres an artist on the forum"

again?

[ae86]

im asking hows it going to make it harder to tuck at the top provideing more neg camber

[ke70dave]

And while some on here may claim lots of wide wheels fit with only a bit a stretch and gaurd rolling... If the wheel can't move up and down with full suspension movement and steering, then it does not fit.

couldnt agree more.

why are people suggesting to make large changes in suspension geometry (LCA's camber etc) in order to "make the wheels fit"

figure out what suspension you want to run. then pick your wheels. which may mean you might have to go smaller and less offset.

pluss...the more negative offset you go, the worse your scrub radius is. which is bad...

[blair]

im asking hows it going to make it harder to tuck at the top provideing more neg camber

because its not pivoting in the middle. if that were the case then yes as the bottom moves out the top moves in...

the pivot point is right at the top so everything from the camber tops down is moving OUT, unless your strut goes beyond horizontal...

should of just drawn another diagram.

[gumbie]

couldnt agree more.

why are people suggesting to make large changes in suspension geometry (LCA's camber etc) in order to "make the wheels fit"

figure out what suspension you want to run. then pick your wheels. which may mean you might have to go smaller and less offset.

pluss...the more negative offset you go, the worse your scrub radius is. which is bad...

If you haven't noticed, 90% of the people on ae86dc want to run fat wheels with nice offset.. and they do anything to fit them under :)
I sure as hell wouldn't run a 14x7 +38..

[RobertoX]

Longer LCAs will also make it more likely to scrub, they push the whole wheel out, it's just that the bottom goes out further than the top hence you get -ve camber. Adjustable strut tops set -ve will help a little.
I think 14x8 -12 needs the guards rolled, like jonny said, if you can't get full travel then it's not ok...

[ae86]

maybe everyone elses definition of fitting requires travel but with 8kg springs short stroke trd yellows it doest move too far anyway, was looking at knowledge of experience not people bitching about the lcas i just wanted clearance so it wouldnt scrub up top thats why i was looking for more neg camber,
may aswell delete thread its going nowhere now

[todd]

http://205.158.108.67/stuff/going%20nowhere.jpg

[Golberg]

That is such a good photo.

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