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    my 86 was the raddest daily ever, my bmx used 2 live in the back of it. + i could take me and 2 mates to the beach with 2 bodyboards and a kite surfing setup, still look and sound pimp driving home thru surfers
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    An AE86 is just a hunk of rusty steel like any other car from the 1980s.

    I dont understand why you get warm and fuzzy owning one? I get that from my KE but its purely because its hella fun to drive and thrash them. The looks on peoples faces when you spank them with an old corolla.

    Its much the same spaghetti in a different can. Its just that you guys are still brainwashed by a marketing campaign and cheezy film to think you have noble abilities by owning one. haha. Hope your having fun living the dream.

    I think the glass in the hatch of an AE86 is massively heavier than in a KE, 10kg, nah more like 20kg heavier. When you have glass that size and laying as flat as it is, it needs to be of a certain minimum thickness to be strong enough not to crack under daily road use, bumps etc.

    The KE70 rear window has a thin glass panel, that is more upright and therefore will flex less and is very thin and more curved, which makes it stronger a little without needing it to be thicker. I have one loose here from a KE70 and it weighs next to nothing.

    Some of the extra weight is in the head of the AE86 owner it seems. Lifting the centre of gravity up higher. Im joking relax, hahaha.

    Seriously though, I say these things in jest, I just think some of the pure AE86 people like KidKarola lack some perspective, and tend to assume everything about the AE86 is better/golden/desirable/hektic/sporty, regardless whether they have any experience from both sides of the argument.

    If you want to talk about what is the better stock vehicle, I think KE70s outsold AE85s and AE86s worldwide by at least 15 to 1. There were so many different xe7x variants over a longer time. Japan had the te71 models in 79 I believe and they were continued in NZ and South Africa until 1987 I think. AE86s were around for less time as we all know, 1983 to 1987.

    So the ke70 wins the sales war by a landslide. I gaurantee the T, and K motors are going to outlive any 4ac/3au by at least 100000klms, with or without oil changes. There is more body types and shapes in the xe7x lineup, so more varied appeal to more people.

    I particularly enjoy that there is no scene or hype surrounding the xe7x range. Theres something for everyone, those who love dog ugly cars can have a t18, the sedan fans get a sedan, theres panos and wagons for those with dogs or a family to shuffle around, or a business to run. Hell, theres even 2 doors for those who want a sporty look.

    The stiffness comparison is I think in general in favour of the xe7x, but I also think such comparisons these days are more related to how the car has been treated for the last 25-30 years as opposed to what the factory did. My old AE71 felt a bit floppy, but my 2 since have been far stiffer, impressively so.






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    ooh yeah i forgot to add how hot the box shots are when ur 86 is on its nuts and you open the door to let a girl in the passanger seat, lol 2doors are better than 4 for that reason alone
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    I rest my case.






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    some examples of 4 door sports cars are
    rx 8
    evo
    rex
    few audis
    volvos brought out some nice stuff in 4 door
    m3,m5
    carina
    even lambo is bringing out a 4 door.

    like your arguement is based on where you choose to draw the line, are you going to say sports car have to be red, sports cars have to be a convertable like an mx5, do they have to be rwd?

    like whats stopping you from loving a toyota paseo, they are a 2 door toyota hatch?
    what about a yaris 2 door.

    there was never any real benifit to having a 2 door, it was just a status that said "i dont care my car not very practical, i bought it for the drive" mentatlity. When realistically a 22r celica is going to drive the same as a 22r corona.

    you didnt like the ke70 because the 4kc is a heap of shit, that goes without saying, all my ke70s bar one had the 4k sitting on the lawn within hours of ownership.

    all those cars you mentioned have 4 door counterparts except for the mr2.
    supra -> chaser
    celica -> corona/camry

    id rather a chaser over a supra, id probably also rather a corona/carina over a celica. The 4wd celica has no 4 door counterpart, the reason hatches were used in rally was ease of access for things like spares and jacks ect. Toyota learnt this after juha kankkunens efforts in the african safari in a notch.

    in most cases, the 2 door varient, such as the trd rolla bates has been throwing around, they are slightly shorter, which gives them quicker handling, but im 99% sure 86 and 70 have the same wheel base.

    but there has been plenty of famous 4 door race cars.

    most dtm racers have been 4 door

    and are one of the best racing series in the world.







    i just think its stupid to write a car off based on the number of doors, just childish.
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    I agree with you for sure Beally - using the number of doors to ascertain the performance of a car has never been a great idea - hell, even back in the 60's and 70's some of the fastest cars had 4 doors, such as the Falcon GT's and the Triumph Dolomite Sprints, et al.

    The reason ae86's are popular and expensive is that they have racing history and therefore translate well into a hero car. The reason ke70/ae71's are popular is because they offer a similar physical experience for a lot less coin. Look at the Ford community - 2 door Escorts and Cortinas are prized, because thats what the Lotus and RS models were based on, and they won rallies and touring car championships all over the world. People wanting a similar experience for less money can buy a 4 door version - it goes pretty much the same, but it doesn't have the cache of the all singing, all dancing 2 doors.

    So here it is - drive what you like/can afford, who cares if one is worth more than the other, or chassis stiffness, or whatever. Few people on this forum will find out how that difference translates to performance, because they aren't ever going to get to a track, and the serious guys have changed their cars so much (Beally, Takai, etc) with cages, braces and suspension set ups that no comparison is possible.
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    owning an 86 makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. *e7* just dont do it for me. ive been in alot of modified cars and while my 86 is not at the same level as most of these cars, when i get in it i jizz in my pants. i dont know why but it must be the awesomeness eminating from the car. my 86 is like my soul mate.

    to me its like holdens and fords. you get some people that wanna drive fords (and i dont know why) but the majority of ford drivers just cant afford commodores!! sorry if i offended anyone. not my intentions just using analogies. also i dont like holdens but they are that extra bit better

    but having said that. some of us like one and some the other, some like both. but all in all i think its awesome that even tho we have differing opinions on the cars we can still have a forum with us all together.
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    so.... i thought this thread was about suspension.

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    EPIC FAIL.


    ford make their own cars, holden buy opels and put 6,500rpm pushrod american v8s in them. YAAAAY.

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    not just suspension, suspension was a starting point

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