Universal 3sge (inc Beams) into AE/KE thread

[Andy San]

Do they mount downwards like the altezza ones? I don't want to have to completely remount the thing, just replace the rubbers.

I have the original ones to compare to, just really need a height measurement, because they sound like they will work well otherwise.

[AJPS]

what after market cams have people used and stay with VVT or not?

[Sam-Q]

Bozu, please read the older posts in this thread, I will edit this space shortly

[Bozu]

@ Sam-Q; No offence but I've read this thread a couple of times all the way through but weren't able to get answers to my questions, if I had I wouldn't have posted them.
Anyway i'll go through all the posts again then.

@Assassin10000: Hmm I've obviously missed this remark, so basicaly you're saying I'll have a problem with any starter?

[Bozu]

Sorry guys, just read through it again and read the posts. Wondering how I missed this before..

I did find a post that said CelicaRA45 is using a custom 2s bellhousing with a longer spigot bearing into the back of the crank.
It might be possible to use the 2s then? Anyone knows what is custom on this bellhousing?

[assassin10000]

Yeah, he swapped the starter portion to the intake side.

Andrew

[Bozu]

So if I understand correctly it basically comes down to this;

Using 2S bellhousing, clutch fork and clutch slave:
- Pro’s; You don’t have to modify the bellhousing,
- Con’s; You need to modify the oil drain in the block in order to clear the starter motor or relocate the startermotor, puts starter and clutch slave on exhaust side of engine.

Using 3Y bellhousing, clutch fork and clutch slave:
- Pro’s; Puts starter and clutch slave cylinder on drivers side
- Con’s; You need to slot one hole on the bellhousing, you need to make an adapter to fit a 22re starter motor or re-position one of the ears on a 20V starter

Am i correct in saying both set-ups allows you to use the altezza flywheel, clutch, release bearing in combination with a double row spigot bearing?(to solve the spigot shaft issue)
If so I can also choose from the Altezza aftermarket options?

[Andy San]

that is all correct,

the 3y option is arguably better, as it is easier to modify a starter than the problems associated with oil drains/clutch forks etc fouling on the exhaust, as well as the associated heat issues.

[Bozu]

I've been doing some searching on the web and I was wondering if there would there be any advantages over turbo'ing a 3sge beams from the rs200 instead of going for a 3sgte straight away.
One advantage I can think of is the dual vvt-i but maybe there are more? Like better engine design or oil squirters?

[fantapants]

also the altezza flywheel has the spigot IN the flywheel, so no need for double size anythings...