yeah ok thanks for the good answer. So can the beams sump be shortened? I don't mean like much, lets say 20mm?
It's a backwards step from the stock beams sump. The 2s baffling is shite and the pump setup is different. The gen3 and beams 3s motors run the pump pressure relief in the alloy section of the sump. The filter is also mounted on the side of this alloy section.
Putting a 2s sump on this type of pump will mean that no oil reaches the motor, it just gets dumped back into the sump.
To use a 2s sump you'd need to change the pump to a gen 2 style pump, but it needs to have the crank angle sensor provision. Then you'd have a setup that cost money and is rubbish compared to a standard beams setup.
The 2s change is of more use for converting fwd style 3s motors to rwd.
my standard sway bar clears the sump by about 20mm or more but i moved my motor back about 60mm.
beams sump was shockingly well designed.
Mine fits easy with stock sway bars, what i think Andy is getting at is he wants to not mod the tunnel at all and thinks if he has the motor forward it will fit without tunnel mods.
At the risk of some sort of argument, you can actually modify the tunnel in IPRA in order to accomodate a gearbox of more suitable strength. You can't change the firewall though, that's true. I think if you were really tricky you could get one in an 86 with no firewall mods nor any swaybar mods. And this would have far more benefit than simply avoiding a custom swaybar if you get what I mean.
Also, you can run the 6 speed as plenty of IPRA cars already do, you just have to lock 1st gear out. Which is fine as its of no real use anyway. This gives you a much closer set of gears (2nd-6th) than a stock W box. If you're rich however, or at least have the budget to do things properly, get a built W box for sure.
canyou "clearance " the firewall? like love taps? or belting the crap out of it but NO cutting?
brendan recons he got his in with no cutting. I ran out of talent, but i think if you were clever and had a bit of skill, you could get the engine to where i and brad have it without cutting. in the end i only cut cos it was easier....
what is exactly out the back of the motor so far that the firewall needs modifying ?
mine is a long way back.. and still no clearance issues.. altho getting to the top bell housing bolts nearly requires a special spanner..
or is it simply to get the sump to clear the sway bar ?
No it's not. To me, it's more about optimal weight balance than getting a special swaybar. Hence my previous post. On the beams theres one fitting out the back with some unnecessary water fittings and a necessary oil drain. Not too big a deal, less than what's on a gen2/3 anyway.