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    Thanks Karl,

    I can confirm that at least 5 of the original 8+1 TTA cars will be reunited at Muscle Car Masters in Eastern Creek this year. We have also invite the Bathurst Museum to allow us the privilidge of bring the above car to Eastern Creek too. Yes, they will all be running around the circuit (not in anger) doing some hot laps.

    TTA1 - AE86 Liftback confirmed
    TTA2 - AE86 GT coupe (above) to be confirmed
    TTA3 - AE86 GT coupe confirmed
    TTA4 - AE82 FXGT hatch not confirmed
    TTA5 - AE82 FXGT hatch confirmed
    TTA6 - AE92 FXGT hatch - not available
    TTA7 - AE92 FXGT hatch confirmed
    TTA8 - MA70 Grp A Turbo confirmed
    TTA+1 - ST162 Celica - not available

    It should be a good event with many of the other old race Toyotas and drivers in the one place.



    Finally, the above car (TTA2) was the first of the two GT coupes campaigned between 1985 and 1989, this one seeing its final race at Bathurst in 1987 after coming to a grizly end at Skyline in the wet. The AE82's were coming, so the team manager saw fit to donate this car to the Bathurst TAFE who faithfully restored it and is now on display at the museum.

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    Mack 10 is a fan of this


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    I must correct myself, these cars won't be reunited at MCM as they have never all been in the same place a the same time.

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    that doesn't look much like a race car engine bay.

    nearly looks like a FWD model timing cover? (should be the original factory RWD item?)
    radiator, looks like it was plucked from the wreckers?
    battery in the engine bay, surely even 25years ago they knew that relocating it was a good idea?
    air filter on the simply bend, location is far less then ideal, surely even a car from 25years ago should have a proper intake set-up.
    emission gear?

    probably doesnt really matter but would have been nice for it to be proper and original.

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    dear AE71,

    put down the crack pipe son.
    see there was this thing called GROUP A regulations and they were strict on what can and cant be done to a car for racing. so that means that the car would look very similar to the average joe six-packs mobile on the street.
    homologation. google it, its a wonderful thing.

    hugs and kisses
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    had to lol at that comment... even the etcc cars engine bays didn't look that different.

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    ditto, that was a very polite way to deal with ignorance. perhaps those of us that know better, should clarify matters. i'll start with this....

    Group A was a FIA category from 1984 to 1993 that theoretically allowed near identical production based touring cars to race or rally almost anywhere in the world (bascially everywhere except USA who did not asssociate with FIA in those days).
    Each car maker could "homologate" a car and parts for it, provided pre-set numbers had been made and sold to the public. There were numerous report of "creativity" when getting homologation approved, but in the main, the commonly seen cars were standard models with pre-approved modifications. In essence, they had to look stock externally so buying public could relate to them, but selected mechanical mods were allowed, using either homologated parts (such as AP racing brakes, close ratio gearboxes) or using 'freedoms" in the rules, eg exhaust manifolds after 1990
    The Australian , British, New Zealand , Asian, Japanese & European Touring car championships were all contested by GpA cars in that period
    Each country could interpret the FIA rules, but rarely were there huge differences. However, for example, some cars coming from Japan to here were seen as "very liberal". The homologation system allowed cars sold in other countries to race here, eg the AE86 Levin notchback. Cars like my AE86 racer were sold new here as a "sprinter", but converted to GpA Levin specs using crates of parts especially sent over.
    Cars were generally homogated by the manufacturer when they were first built/sold, then that was updated each year or so as new models were released (called variant options). Some manufacturers stopped homologating cars and parts a few years after they were first built, as they were usually starting to concentrate on the next model. The FIA 'homologation papers" (detailed specs) can still be bought from CAMS, and every racer had to have their own copy to refer to, when the scrutineers started asking tricky questions on race day.
    Countries like Japan had a separate and totally different set of rules (Group N2) for their own internal championship. These were not GroupA cars, and could not race outside japan. They approximate Australias "improved production" class.
    In theory, a dead stock car straight off the sales lot, could get a GpA logbook , but of course, they would not be competitive then (or now)

    i hope this helps clear up why some real GpA cars look relatively standard, and dont have all the "goodies" that can now be bought

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    I must say ae71, you have an eye for detail.
    There has been enough comment about these production vehicles painted up for racing, but I will clarify the car as pictured at the Bathurst Motorsport Museum is a 2 times class winner at Bathurst and was last raced at Bathurst in 1987 when it was all but destroyed just before Skyline after loosing grip in the rain.
    Rather than drag it onto the transporter to take back to Melbourne, the car was subsequently donated by Toyota to the Bathurst TAFE who rebuilt it on a very small budget using what parts they could find.
    Yes, the timing cover has been replaced using a FWD cover, the radiator is not the same as original but it fits, the airbox would have been destroyed and like hens teeth to find another jdm cleaner and as such looks like they improvised using a common ram filter on the intake tube. The battery was always located in the LHF corner and yes there was emmision gear fitted but not functional.
    This car is now owned by the Bathurst Council for the Museum display, however I will have this car at Eastern Creek MCM in September with the other TTA cars I have mustered where more people can enjoy what these represent.

    Under request by the Museum, I will make some changes to get this back to and as close to original as a favour for the loan, any donations of correct parts would be appreciated. TRD leads, ae86 radiator, jdm airfilter box and a rwd front cover if you can help out. Thanks

    C U all there.

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    Chris put up a WANTED thread for those specific parts - I'm sure some members here have what you need laying around and could donate it to the cause (or at least for a small fee ) AE86 Community Unite!
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