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    he IS doing this on the road.

    not the best tip lol!!

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    Thought that was what you meant, and I wouldn't recommend it.
    Tried it and I dont like it, plus I'm usually so hard on the brakes
    that I dont want to take any pressure off the pedal or else I'm past the corner,
    and I dont consider myself a late braker.
    Only reason I can see to do it is that your syncros are rooted.

    I believe a better thing to do is brake, slow down, then down change.
    So many people downchange almost as soon as they start to brake,
    which is hard on gear, can lock the rears, and causes massive engine revs.

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    It works well on the road too,
    Helps you stop coming in too hot when your over eager to hit the apex.

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    ^ for someone with a bit of an idea yeh, but im honestly not sure this bloke has much going on up there?

    who needs to ask if its ok to drive on the wrong side of the road?

    im making an asumtion but i dont think he has the confidence/ability to brake 2 seconds later than he thinks he should.

    at 100km/hr thats 30M
    if up a mountain thats a big thing.


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    Yeah my bad,
    I though he just needed some help at the track.
    Failed to read he was doing it on the road.

    Please,
    For the sake of mine and everyone else's friends and family refrain from "racing" on public roads. Save that shit for the track where you can't hit a mini van carrying a mother and her 3 kids.

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    why be all secretive, name names. no shame here man.

    the one thing i can comment on, is its to best to use smoother braking earlier and get a better line out of the corner rather than going in all fast and sketchy and having to lean on it hard to gain pace on the exit.

    but as said, just drive and learn, read books. take what you read and put it to practice, cause at the end of the day you can read and hypothesize about it 24/7 but without putting it to physical use, it's not doing s**t for you

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    You don't always have to downshift coming into a corner, you have to assess the exit speed and the gear you need to exit...Just watch F1 drivers.

    The main benefits to downshifting coming into tighter corners:

    1. Uses the engine as a source of braking to take some load off the brakes
    2. It ensures you are in the right gear in the right time as you exit the corner (rather then coasting through the corner...then having to shift whilst cornering, when you could be accelerating)

    It is a skill to shift smoothly, whilst braking at the optimal rate and time coming into a corner...but it is the best time to do it to ensure your engine and gearbox are ready to start laying down some power as you exit the corner.

    REV matching is the only safe way to downshift to ensure smooth braking and corner entry, balancing your car's weight and taking care of your engine and gearbox.

    Not rev matching is a common way to kill your engine by forcing it rotate from the drivetrain. It doesn't matter how much rev-cut protection you have on your ignition, if you shift fast from say 3rd to 2nd at speed, your engine may be forced to rotate 1000's of rpm faster then your rev-limiter is set to. Ensuing compression locking and shock loading causing high stress on components such as rods.

    SMOOTHER IS BETTER!
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    lol thats exactly why they use heel-toe, to rev match so they DONT lock the rears

    you brake to slow down then down gear is a slow method, hence its not practical for grip, slow slow slow, grip u want fast fast fast

    so heel-toe, keeps revs up in the correct gear while downshifting, reason, better braking into a corner/acceleration out of a corner. if not performed properly will cause car to jerk, lock, massive engine revs for nothing

    i grip drive a lot on the road, not saying im pro, but ive done it for a long time now to know a bit more then average joe that thinks fast cars means they drive fast
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    and using double lane helps a lot with mild suspension work, or i should say 1 and a half lanes

    if ur running coil overs, good tyres etc etc etc, single lane is what you should only need on the road, where as cut or lowered springs, dead shocks, ok tyres, they dont hold girp much so u take wider lanes to compisate for its lost...

    i dont meant o promote road racing but its no secret that we all do it...so DONT do it on the road

    im still waiting for my first track day so i can apply what i already know onto the track and only hope to get better
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    Engine braking will not slow you down as fast as just using the brakes so there's no point doing it unless your brakes are stuffed and can't cope with the heat.

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