Takumi tax

[Matt-AE86]

"its a 25 year old corolla, not really a car that can be deemed 'collector' status just yet."

It already has. When you have people in all contents over the world restoring them to original condition and paying ridiculous prices to get ones that have been rusted to no return, I think you can consider then collector status.

You should know better, you are in japan.

That's why I said that you have been illinformed. You haven't looked deeply enough into it. What I just said is one part of it.

[LittleRedSpirit]

When old Holden stuff goes up, do people call it Brocky tax?

I think not.

Its symptomatic of the fact that kids who cant afford to build cars will whinge and lowball everyone to get the job done. When I hear someone mention Takumi Tax, its most often about an item thats actually worth having and worth paying for, big ticket stuff like diffs and proper rwd motors. I think most people are just tight and its a trendy way to whinge.

People won't import stuff if they aren't making money. I have no problem with people making money for their investment. They are doing all the hard work to supply us and all most can do is complain.

Fact is, if you cant afford it, you shouldn't buy it. Whinging doesn't get you anywhere.

[Otaku]

yeah but thats all just the extra cost to get the part here, this is just to show that some stuff dont have takumi tax.
When you buy something from Japan it usually ends up double or more of what you purchased the product for.
for example, I brought a set of Albino wheels for $90 in japan, and cost me $330 all up, thats not Takumi tax, thats just to get it here!

[Matt-AE86]

I think you just agreed to disagree then making you agree that i disagreed while you were agreeing ?

im lost. lets start again. Hi I'm Matt, I don't believe in any tax. You own an AE86. You are going to pay for shit.

[Otaku]

haha, yeah i dont know whats going on anymore

[shinobi]

Taxumi tax is bullshit.. There's no such thing.. AE86 shit is expensive because there isn't a huge market for them so when a high end part is manufactured by a company they want a worth while return on their investment. Start crying when you buy some real parts washer bottles aren't worth a mention..

To be Blunt your getting Hustled, and only stupid people get hustled so you only have yourself to blame.

[Matt-AE86]

Rs-chita 20v water kit. I didn't cry... I... REJOICED !

[kaibeecee]

I understand where you're coming from matt and accept what you're saying.

what i deem true 'collector' status is a car that is on the historic car listing, for which the ae86, is not.

you still see them at every drift day, on track, in the dirt, tyres, walls whatever. there is still people hacking them up daily and you can buy a bombed one running and registered for less than $10,000 easily.

ok, a black limited, fully restored etc etc. - cost upward of $15,000 au probably. you'd be hard pressed to find a BDA escort for that money rusted out.

as for japan, i'm pretty sure you've been. so you know that they're the most materialistic people anywhere in the world

most japanese 86's live a life of drifting or hard driving. when it comes to drifting and drift cars, 80% of average drifters have a budget. and when joe-blow drifter smashes his 86 into the tires beyond repair, they either do one of two things.

they ghetto patch it, and keep driving. this is a popular option. it stays fucked out until they get money to buy another one or upgrade to a chaser like everyone else.
or, they hardpark the bucket of metal OUTSIDE and let it rust into oblivion. this is an even more popular option.

they just don't care. its a catalyst for a fun time to most of them.

hardcore restorations in japan are few and far between because most hardcore 86 guys see the car as expendable, there is the few hardcore ones (carland, impulse, Gworks builds etc.) that are an exception but most are modified to some extent for performance driving.

like for instance, i visited revolver recently, its just down the road. pretty famous ae86 shop, right?

they're pretty much back-burned the 86 in favour of racing civics. they're now called Sargent racing division and revolver is a sub company that just sells the occasional part every now and then. the guy said to me they see an 86 come in maybe once or twice a month. thats it.

if the demand for these cars is going up, you think they'd be trading more 86 parts wouldn't you? i would. but thats subjective.

i think it'll be at least another 10 years before we see the numbers of abused ones drop and the 'collectors' whom have money, to come out of the woodwork and restore whats left...

anyway, ive made my point, inflation of the prices is just part of life i guess. im just a bit jaded as to why it should when it comes to ae86's

[ae86hachiroku]

Takumi tax is a term created by the slave morality. (Slaves vs Royalty in old times)

You are a slave, you cannot afford it, so you would like to ruin it for those who do have one. And those who own it will tell you otherwise. Jealousy has a big part to play in this so called Takumi tax.

[driftke70]

could just build a keto and not use 86 parts

if your concerned about a takumi tax, which is really well summed up by littleredspirit,
then either your spending too much money on other crap, dont have enough to build a car in the time frame you would like, or dont have the money?

shit costs money, some people on here try sell stuff for a crazy price, it happens everywhere with everything, some people sell it, others dont, its a "because i can"
sorta thing.