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    Ok guys, there is a thread on NS about this so i thought why not start the discussion here, please don't turn this into a shit fight thread. What are your thoughts on tracing the wheel and do you do it? (example video's of your technique) heres a quote from Laurence (on Nissan-Silvia) that wrapped it all up pretty well in one post. Ken (ae86hachiroku) has some good points too that im sure he will add!

    If you are holding the steering wheel, you have input, that is the whole point and our hands should never be flailing about.

    As far as following the motion of the steering wheel goes it is a lot like pushing the brake pedal smoothly. You don't just jam it on 100% you smoothly and quickly apply it because that gives the shocks and springs time to load up.

    Think of the action of a steering wheel, if it is spinning and you suddenly stop it, it is like slamming on a "steering rack brake" and loads up the front tyres with a nice big transient.

    When you are following the wheel you almost always grab it following the motion of the wheel, not against it. Then you firmly load up the countersteer or initiation or whatever you are doing.

    If we had WRC steering racks, reflexes like Schumacher and arms like gorillas we could hold the steering wheel at "10 to 2" or "quarter to 3" while drifting but we have shitbox old Nissans so we have to compensate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avN4H-vpveU

    This video is basically my benchmark for how I would like to learn to steer. There are times when he releases the steering wheel but he always starts and stops the steering wheel movement and I would be very surprised if there is not at least some input in 99% of his movements. You can also she him make corrections that would have taken much longer grabbing the wheel with stationary hands.

    Anyway, my theory on the whole deal, take it or leave it. Most of my ideas are stolen from the combination of a book called Twist of the Wrist II by Keith Code and my own experience so are as only as valid as any other opinion really.
    - Tracing the steering wheel helps me correct my mistakes
    - Steering with your palms or spaghetti arms is not quite the same thing
    - There should be some steering input
    - Other people have good balance and timing and don't need it (like Orido)
    - The reason it works is not clear
    - It is not that easy to do
    - Not many people do it and they win
    Here is another quote this time from Alexi.

    Watch this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj64Mrnp7sE

    RUN FREE Koichi Yamashita demonstrating the right and wrong way to trace.

    This month's Drift Tengoku has a complete guide on steering wheel technique as well, and it's pretty easy to understand, even if you can't read Japanese.


    Here is a video of mine to get the ball rolling, my technique is not that great (i hardly ever do it) but i think its to do with how i have learnt and how much castor i run, ill be trying it as much as i can this friday (at QR) and will hopefully return with some new footage.

    cheers guys, let the discussion begin!

    p.s GRRR at this forum not allowing bedding of the movies
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    Yeah some good advice and tips I learnt without doing it and never felt the need in my old car. My ke doesn't have much castor so i have to flick the wheel to get it to counter steer faster.
    Last practice in ke i tried to do it as much as possible, mainly on snakies though, definitely feel the difference I'll try to practice it more and hopefully improve my driving technique.

    Heres some incar footage from a few pracs ago, of me limiter bashing behind kalbys ca18det ke sloppy driving really but still...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASNFFbn8QHY

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    It should probably be a sticky as there isn't much more to add, that sums it up enough. Anything else from NS was jibber jabber from non believers, so all those points above are the ownage lines pretty much.

    My videos which you've probably seen anyway.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKH7e8cPgFM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFkcj_ExSlA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umfV7iYexpQ
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGEbbahmAbM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZr4qD0J-SU

    I started tracing from day one, can't think of any other way of doing it. Very reliable.

    Robo, although you don't trace in that video, it seems you have a decent amount of control anyway, as your hands aren't completely letting go of the wheel, and merely just sliding through it, but yeah, with some tracing the transitions would be a lot more aggressive instead of progressive.
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    I Think I do it like robo from memory. Maybe a bit more hold of the wheel. I can't find any videos.

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    Interesting, definatly something to think about when i finnaly get into the track one day. hopefully not to far away

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    I dont think i trace as much as that dude in the video that Alexi posted does, but as you can see in my vid, the little bit of incar i have you can see, i do trace. Well whatever you call it thats my technique. It works for me.



    I've got more incar stuff i will put up one day.

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    I saw a video a little while ago from the rear quarter of my car @ archi that looks partially at the steering wheel.. Apparently i do very little input in the wheel using more the throttle/brakes to transition and only really turn the wheel for the inital entry.. The same applies for Parklands and Tamworth (small tracks)

    With Qr i have little input as well (just a little less than rob really) in an underpowered car and alot less in a powerfulcar where the throttle (and brakes) can be used for steering more easily..

    ps.. Love the look on your face robo lol...

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    I'm more interested in how you guys deal with the lack of power steering.

    I've got 4 degrees pos castor, -1.5 degrees camber and 195's on the front. And a 350mm personal wheel and it's still pretty hard to turn the wheel, almost always a 2 handed affair which makes tracing much more difficult, even the initial flick takes a fair bit of effort. I've got a feeling that I just have a crap seating position atm so a dished wheel shoudl fix that

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    Maybe you need to hit the gym... ahaha

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    ive got a heap of castor aswell ( my bumper is slowly getting shaved down by the tyre lol)

    i find that once the car is unsettled the steering is wayyy easier!

    anyway on topic: i dont trace at all.
    i think im still mid-way between the "oh shit, im sideways now i have to grab the wheel before i spin" stage
    and the actually figureing out some things stage lol

    so i will comment again after more trackwork

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