I just remembered you can source 4.77 c&p for borgys but you have to import them from South Africa and they have to be modified to fit the local borgy housings.
I don`t know where you get your info mate but i can assure you there is a lot less r31 skyline diffs than hi-lux diffs and also new hi-lux gears will be cheaper than new b/w c&ps and how do i know this, five years experience in a workshop dealing with diffs and gearboxes, so if you need advice and your on the coast PM me if you wish and i will try my best to solve your problem.
8 ball you are a little off. we are talking whole diffs suitable for conversions, on somewhat of a budget. meaning re bracketing only and really no pcd changes either. no one here really has the budget for shortening diff housings and axles.
there are alot of r31s at wreckers all the time. there are not very often 40 series hilux diff housings at wreckers, more often they are at specialist 4wd wreckers, where you will pay a lot more for them. even if you nab one at a normal wrecker, youll still pay more for parts from 4wd/commercial than passenger car.
basically, the G series hilux diff everyone is talking about is a bit rare. rare enough for me to consider grabbing one i saw today even though it had no centre (easy) or axles (not easy, or, at least not cheap) even though i have no real use for it.
r31 diffs are a sort of ok option. if youre building a "mongrel" theyre easy to find and they will probably do the job ok, but theres a lot of reasons why i wouldnt use/be satisfied with one.
i personally think the track increase is too much. also there is no one who can really give a definitive answer to how well the lsds that are available for them work, or how long they last. the brakes are a bonus, but a small one really. the corolla scene is fairly drift orientated, and so discs brakes arent really much of an advantage.
im not too certain about ratios options, but its unlikely theyre anywhere near as diverse/accessible as most toyota diffs.
the pic for a high power "drift" corolla i think is toyota F code from either yr22 or mx13 ect.
these are close to the same track as stock, right pcd. MANY ratios, and probably the most diverse LSD options of ANY DIFF IN THE WORLD. all the big jap brands, + just about all the yank/4wd aftermarket brands too.
No i don`t think so Dimitri, if you get the right housing and axles their is no need to shorten it and pcd changes would not add a great deal to the price, also what makes you think that the diffs your talking about, the yr22 or mx13 etc would be any cheaper, it seems that their is a lot of confusion and a lot of unsubstantiated information about diffs and their capabilities on this site. I would like to share my knowledge and experience in diffs and g,boxes but only if people want to know.
feel free to share the information then mate, no point keeping it all to yourself.
Only 1 decent option if you want a LSD and thats the F-Series Diff..
any hilux 2wd up to 95ish is 1410mm, the later ones have shit ratios tho. The hilux is stupid strong, has a ford stud pattern if u wish to go that way, has a bunch of ratios, has stupid strong axles and is a banjo style center so u can swap centers in 20mins as oppossed to several hours with the pintara diff. You can get a decent LSD from either quaife (expensive) or KAAZ, u can get air lockers, soft lockers, full detriot lockers, a new electronic locker from harrop, and full spools if you want to go that way. They arent stupid dear either, i got a quote a few weeks ago of $300 for the whole diff including drums, they are only dear if u go to wreckers that have cottened on to what we use them for.
I vote hilux
As another option, mitsubishi scorpion will fit aswell.
1400mm long, dat/toyota stud pattern, L300 van internals (read big axles), decent ratio, disks, and there are LSD's available if you look.
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at a total of, from what i can remember, well over 40mm wider i think it is( r31 BW) too wide. unless you know one thats closer to stock? or are you talking about G series hilux? basically, i think theyre kinda overkill, most people arent making enough power to warrant using one, and theyre also heavier again..
pcd change might not be too expensive, but if its required, then comparatively, it offsets the price of the yr22/mx13 diff anyway, as these dont need this done. those 2 diffs are also cheaper than hilux.. for sure. hilux = $$. heaps of people into them, and out there breaking them = $$ to auto parts recyclers.
re price. i check the 3 main wreckers i deal with usually 2 times a week, and am often buying.
i have personally bought mx13 diffs for less than $200 more than once. but even at say $400, theyre still a good deal.
yr22 are cheaper in most instances, and also bordering on common. would never pay more than $200, and usually theres at least 1 around.
an extremely wide variety of ratios can be found in many many different toyotas. basically all irs passenger cars are F series. and then every 4wd toyota uses one in the front..
thats my view, based on fact and first hand knowledge. if you got a different spin on it, cool go on and tell us why.
Wow it`s good to see that their are actually other people on here with an alternative viewpoint on this subject, i mean if we all bought the same shit for our cars and painted them the same colour it would be a fukin shame. What is the point of having all those ponies up front if your diff is going to fail at the mere thought of being hammered, especially if you have just paid 2 or 3 grand to buy it and have it recoed, eg; t-series.
PS: am i still a bit off Slydar ?, i think you need to check your facts first before flaming someone else for their opinions mate.
I don't think every toyota 4x4 runs an F up front, mainly just the surfs/4 runners and probably the 4x4 vans too. Most hilux run g front and rear from what i've seen on placards in wreckers.
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