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    thanks mate..

    its good to be driving it, now to finish off everything i havent done so far
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    nice car dude, what have you doen to take care of the oiling problems these usually have?

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    has 7 litres oil capacity, higher volume oil pump with modified pressure relief valve

    still need to install another baffle in the cam covers and an external oil drain also
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    you have a naughty sticker!! hehe

    Awesome stuff as usual

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    hey i think you missed my post on 4stud in the last page

    just wondering if you have any pics of how the axles were converted?

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    Good to see it going Mark, how'd the photo shoot go?

    Few questions for you:

    - Originally, you said you were using a ST205 (Gen 3) engine, now the specs say Gen 2 (ST185) but i have it from a very good source that its infact only a Gen 1, which is evident from the cam covers lining up with mounting holes and sealing the head. The Gen 2 has an open head (not 2 seperate cavities like the Gen 1), I know this because of the fab work Im doing to get the Gen 1 cam covers on and sealing. Im just curious as to what generation the 2.2L is being built from?

    - How do you go passing scruitineering with components of the fuel system in the 'cabin?' CAMS specifies that fuel components when located within the cabin area must be in a sealed and vented (to outside) compartment, unless you've got a cover to go over the spare wheel housing?

    - You've said in your suspension setup thread that you cant fit RCA's to correct some of the issues you're having, it looks from the photos like this could be due to the brake rotors? Perhaps look at shallower top hats and remounting the calipers instead of modifying the crossmember to rectify the roll centre issue?

    - Who's dyno was it initally tuned on? Just curious to know what 'poor tie down setup' to look out for? Surely couldn't've been Kuc's, fuck my car gets pulled down so hard it'll never break traction, so does every other car i've seen there.

    Hey mate, I managed to source mine from the states, already prepped for the 2.2L 3s installation, complete with ACL bearings, H Beam rods and Wiseco pistons (unsure if i'll use these though, may go bit more oversize yet...) for $2300 Aus delivered. Look around the net, you'll find them!

    Not something you want to do yourself. Take it to a driveline specialist and have them look at it. It will cost you money.

    Remember Mark, a litre of that oil would be in external lines, filter etc. Did you use the 5s pump? Have heard mixed opinions of them.... Baffle in the cam covers and an external drain? Shouldnt have that much oil in the head, the Gen 2 has never had an issue with oil drain, although it is a common issue in other generations.

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    its just the thing is i had an at140 rwd corona sedan with a gen 2 3sge in it , it had a winded and baffled 2s sump with trap doors and the likes, but the first day i took it to the track it ran bearings in crank and also managed to have a crack at screwing the cam bearings too , then i never managed to sort it properly and ended up parting the car out, im wondering what sump setup you also have and if any of you guys have pictures thatd be awesome as im just about to have a crack at this conversion again , but turbo in a st140 2s powered corona station wagon

    cheers vince

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    damn medwin you write alot..

    yes head is currently gen1

    fuel system has an exceptionly neat round perspex cover with rubber seal around its perimeter and using the center bolt hole for the spare wheel to clamp it down

    front r/c adjustment.. i want to do on the inside end of the controll arm i like my rotors and calipers where they are .. less heat into wheel bearings and can fit almost any 15 inch wheels

    andy's dyno is good.. jedamziks is not so..

    axels were done on a mill by drilling 3 holes and using one original. weatherhead did these

    and yes medwin 1 litre in the lines and oil cooler, 6 litres in the oil pan


    pics of the sump would be up on the old site if thats still around or on the "other" ae86 site
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    Hey drift-monkey i gotta say i have had my fair share of oiling issues with my engine but more to the fact that it pushes oil out everywhere. I dont know whether you ran it like mine is but whoever did our engine conversion sat the engine on a angle .
    i should have realized it was wrong to start with but i took it that thats the way it was supposed to be. BAD MISTAKE. I have a depended and baffled sump to suit this engine on a angle which is dead wrong but not alot i can do about it now.
    Was your engine installed on a angle as oil gets trapped in the tappet cover with now were to go.

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    Haha gotta keep you on your toes mark

    Yes, getting those NA cam covers on the gen 2 is being a pain, but i've got it sorted now. Gotta find some motivation to polish the damn things, wet and dry for a week I reckon....

    Nice, perspex cover for fuel system is where its at

    Im just thinking as far as the RC adjustment, to have the same affect as fitting RCAs to the outer end of the LCA (ie lowering the control arm to a horizontal angle) by modifying the crossmember, you'll need to raise 'up' (not lower) the mount of the LCA, seems like a very difficult and painful way to go about a problem, considering to raise that mount up there is chassis rails in the way etc etc?? But meh, I know what its like to seemingly enjoy creating more work for oneself, I seem to be great at it!

    Easy solution then, take it to andy and get a proper reading Im interested to see what it makes on 24psi, and how the engine likes 7800rpm @24psi :-)

    Weatherhead does do nice work, wouldnt take specialty things such as axles anywhere else. Certainly wouldnt try to do it myself though (redrill the axles)!!

    6 litres in the pan, must be a massive sump?! Is it one of these wide 'winged' creations?

    The 3s (except beams which are already rwd mounted) in their donor car (celica, mr2, etc) are mounted on an angle from standard. This is why when they are 'stood up' for the rwd fitment, some run into oil issues. Starvation (as the pickup is now on a 45 degree angle if left standard), drainage from head, etc seem to be very common problems. This can be eliminated by proper fitment, including sump and pickup modifications when going to rwd. The engine needs to (when looking from the front towards the rear of the car) lean to the left a slight amount, this will assist in the oil drain issues (from head). I'd recommend a higher volume sump, but as a bare minimum a modified pickup so that it is not on a 45 angle, for the simple reason that should the oil level drop far enough to expose even just a slight amount of the pickup's inlet uncovered by oil, then the pickup will suck the air in through this exposed opening rather than the oil (simple physics). Done properly, a rwd 3s is just as reliable as in its original orientation.

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