getting grip with your rear suspension

[driftke70]

im a bit odd with my setups, i tend to drive off the rear of the car, like i wouldnt mind running standard sway bar on the front, i would like a softish rate in the front so i can still get some sort of rise and fall to move weight around

same with when i ride motos, bars real swept back, sit on the back of the seat and just keep the front wheel skimming,

[s14seriesII]

8's with 24mm adjusted right up will be good then just depends on shock choice and valving as to how fast/much weight shift u get under brakes and steering etc and if u keep your front r/c low this will also make the front dig in and feel soft

[driftke70]

i still like to get a decent signal from the front end, thats why i dont always like alot of castor, it sort of shrouds the message sometimes.

[s14seriesII]

ah ive always found more caster = more feel/feeback
but try to keep camber and caster close to square eg 4 cast'. 3 camb' you end up with the outside wheel when drifting close to square with the road when on opposite lock..
which is really the essance of running camber and caster

[driftke70]

yeah i had that dialed in my previous build, which you can see in my sig, just when you have low op lock situations and your not packing 250hp (16v) it felt like the front wheels would want to straighten, not so much that they wernt tracking, but you felt more of it trying to straighten through the wheel and your knees than you felt how much grip they were getting, how much of a 4 wheel drift was taking place, was in the inside wheel slightly dragging or what ever.

One thing i hated and dialed completely out of my car is the sensation of the rear end pivoting off the front end.

all my experience driving have been in wierd situations, so its hard for me to draw comparisons, like ive had a fair bit of seat time in an sr20det clubman, and that certainly is one car that steers off the rear, a fair bit of time in an mx5 which was almost neutral but slight oversteer, easily the best setup standard car ive ever driven. For the last few months ive been driving an 07 hilux 2wd and you can really get some serious 4 wheel float into corners and i love it, but fucking hate no lsd.

[s14seriesII]

yeh maybe a bit of toe out is needed ? i always set mine at about 2mm out for skids but it ends up at 5 to 10 after riding the inside ripple strips

heres a pic of what my outside wheel camber/castor is like at nearly full lock..

[driftke70]

[driftke70]

funny you should mention toe changing, i used to be a wheel aligner at a tyre shop and had my car up at least once a week, and when i had standard control arms in with rubber bushes in it used to move a wee bit, but once i put sigma arms in and ground the bushes back so they fitted nice and snug, after that it seemed to change much less, it might have something to do with greater angles in the triangulation of the arms and control arms and stuff but yeah, thats what happened, also more castor seems to keep it in line.

[Konakid]

Toe out makes the car MUCH more oversteery and twitchy, that could be one of the biggest factors in the oversteer.

Id recommend:

0 toe
+3.5 castor
-3 camber
new rear tyres
4.5kg springs
7kg front springs
stock rear swaybar
24mm front that you currently have

Should make a fair bit of difference compared to your old setup.

[s14seriesII]

for grip i change to 1mm total toe in and reduce camber to 3.25 neg