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    UPDATE: Now done and available, see post #28 for a pic



    Thought people would find it interesting to see what I have been doing regarding some development work on velocity stacks.

    Recently I for the first time had the option to get velocity stacks made by being machined out of a solid billet of aluminium instead of the current way of getting rolled and then fitted into flanges.

    Due to material costs this was only feasable on the shorter sizes, the first batch is 50mm which is ideal for the RHD Corolla and Sprinter owners who wish to run slide on filters. They will also fit inside a blacktop airbox with a light shave on #4 and work better than anything else out there.


    Right so being machined I have the liberty of choice in designing something new. From previous research I knew that the ideal design was a long taper to a parabolic opening and a full curved edge. This also known as a expodential, elliptical or variable radius curve. This gives the highest theoretical net airflow out of any of the designs.

    Most of the velocity stacks on the market usually have some sort of taper but with a fixed radius rolled/machined edge, this has the highest velocity on the inside at the end of the rolled edge at the transition before slowing down again further down the tube. The parabolic design however lets the air keep speeding up all the way to the opening face.

    More about the technical side of that here:

    http://www.profblairandassociates.co.../Bellmouth.zip


    Knowing all that I came up with this:




    Which I then had 3D printed along with a different design and a prototype exhaust mount alternator mount:



    I sanded these smooth and had Jamie "Frak" being nice enough to put them on a flow bench for me. Here are the results in order worst to best, of note the OEM stacks where checked on a different day so the results might be a little off.

    - Blacktop OEM: 320

    - Silvertop OEM: 342

    - HRC: 445

    - IMEC: 483

    - SQ model #1: 483

    - SQ model #2: 489

    All tested at 28 inches of water.

    Two things really surprised me about this- first that silvertop flows better than black when to me they look terrible and second how bad both OEM designs flowed. This explains why people pick up power even when running short stacks in the OEM airbox.

    Picking the better of the two and taking the chance at making a small adjustment to improve it further I gave the go ahead for a batch of both silver and blacktop sets to be made. This is when I was last at the machinist and only the outside profile had been cut:



    Next up is them getting the flanges cut.

    Once done I shall have them back on the flow bench, this time all at once.

    This is the part of my job that I love, I really look forward to how they turn out not just in flow numbers but how they look with a little bit of a polish.
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    When they are ready put me down for 2 sets of blacktop
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    They where set back quite a lot because of what seems like a big shortage of 90mm bar stock or else they would already be done. They have told me between one and one and a half weeks. I shall let you know.
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    Good work Sam, always good to see someone doing some actual development rather than doing what everyone else does because it's good enough.

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    thanks James,

    I have pretty interesting to work the designs out and seeing it all come together. I really look forward to seeing how they are done. It's a pity I can't make my whole range like this but then again I still want to give business to the guy who rolls my existing velocity stack pipes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmee1990 View Post
    Good work Sam, always good to see someone doing some actual development rather than doing what everyone else does because it's good enough.
    +1 great to see all of this happening man, great work!

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    Thanks Ben


    There is something I don't understand. There shouldn't be any price difference between the machining cost of a fixed radius bell-mouth compared to a proven to be superior variable radius design. So why is the company who has the most well known billet velocity stacks on the market (75mm) have the worse designed inlet and with only a gentle taper. I suspect they don't know and don't care. Makes sense though as they don't do much designing themself beyond reverse engineering to copy others, and when it looks good that's all that matters to most people.

    I think this is the difference between me and other companies out there, I have a passion for trying to design the best possible within the budget available. Screw the whole exclusive thing, I want people to have the option of buying what I would want for myself on my car. Even if people later on ignore the fancy terms and the flow numbers and just think they look awesome and fit well then that's fine too.

    Just incase someone is going to ask, no anodising unless there is a minimum amount of people all wanting one colour. Otherwise it's the same as when I had the first batch of RWD flex clutch lines made- had 4 or 5 options and the first person asking wanting one of the only 2 colours I didn't get- green. On request I can leave them unpolished though so people can get it done themselves.
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    Sam, they look magnificent, can't wait to see what else you have planned for 4age fans.
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    I can't wait for these to go with your 16v to 20v throttle adapters!

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    So far it's not looking good for the manifolds. To get them made locally will be around 400 before I even make anything at all. I will look at other options now.

    Velocity stacks should be done by the end of the week to mid next week.
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