wagon rear setup

[dehney]

hey all just seeing what people have done to the rear ends of there wagons to make them stiffer ? has any one tried to put the rear of a sedan into the wagon ?

any help would be great

[Eddy]

im looking at doin a 4link in mine prity soon, but in the mean time short strokes and lowwer stiffer leafs do the job, with a swaybar.

[dehney]

yeah cool what diff are u running in ur beast eddy ?

[Sam-Q]

I will also just add a leaf and get them reset. I would fit a pan-ahrd rod if I was more serious about it but it is intended to just be a daily.

[marvis]

I really want one, equal 4 link, panhard or watts and coilovers.

Motorfix have chopped up a wagon body and put it on a sedan chassis.

[shift_rook]

pm matt99, he's doone it though his ways are.... questionable haha

[Sam-Q]

like Motorfix questionable or 'I dont want to drive near him let along get in his car questionable' ??

[starni_boy]

like Motorfix questionable or 'I dont want to drive near him let along get in his car questionable' ??

Here are pics of his setup Sam:
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=1729&page=5

I think equal length 4 link may be in order for mine eventually. Maybe next year or something depending if I hit the track at all or start getting better at steering.

[Sam-Q]

no sir I don't like it. I personally in that situation have put them in posiiton like the sedan shocks and the brace them off the rails.

[starni_boy]

Yeah I would do the same probably.

I would run the bottom link in the same position as the leafs, using the front leaf mount as the 4 link mount, then weld/fab up a mount where the leaf was bolted to the diff.

Top one I would fab/weld up mounts to the diff and cut through the floor, then fab up 2 equal length boxes under the floor.

Shocks/coilovers however for the rear....
What would be the easiest way for that?

Also Just as a comparison I have these.

Panelvan:
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/2/1/4/31579.jpg

Sedan:
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/2/1/4/31580.jpg

[shift_rook]

there was a reason behind him placing them there, he didn't just play pin the tail on the suspension mount

[matt99]

hey all just seeing what people have done to the rear ends of there wagons to make them stiffer ? has any one tried to put the rear of a sedan into the wagon ?

any help would be great

Whats the car being used for mate?

My suggestion would be to have new leafs made. Its not as costly as you think and does a much better job than "resetting them". If your in Victoria, I can put you onto a guy who made my old leafs when I was running them, they were sick. Eddy now has them and im pretty sure he likes them too.

Then, if your usuing your car for spirited driving a panhard is pretty easy to add in if you can weld and a S series sprinter sway bar directly lines up on the inside of your rails if your usuing a S or T series diff, but I have'nt tested that on a borgie yet.

I have a new plan in mind for my next wagon/panno.

[shift_rook]

and it will involve a cage and several small children

[dehney]

I plan to use it for drift I kinda wanna do a 4 link rear end and
try to weld in the rear of a sedan into the wagon to keep the springs and shocks
iv kinda got an idea on how to do it. Just need to draw it up and
get a mate to suss it out for me

If it's too hard I'll just get new leafs and throw a sway bar in and pon rod in it

[FAST EDDIE]

I plan to use it for drift I kinda wanna do a 4 link rear end and
try to weld in the rear of a sedan into the wagon to keep the springs and shocks
iv kinda got an idea on how to do it. Just need to draw it up and
get a mate to suss it out for me

If it's too hard I'll just get new leafs and throw a sway bar in and pon rod in it

is this similar to a porn rod??

[Sam-Q]

if its just for drift then pan hard + anti tramp rods + stiffened + stiff shocks

[matt99]

I plan to use it for drift I kinda wanna do a 4 link rear end and
try to weld in the rear of a sedan into the wagon to keep the springs and shocks
iv kinda got an idea on how to do it. Just need to draw it up and
get a mate to suss it out for me

If it's too hard I'll just get new leafs and throw a sway bar in and pon rod in it

It is going to be hard, the easiest way to do what your thinking is to go the other way and buy a sedan, then put the wagons rear body on it, like the motorfix one.

Still, I know Paul (stahlz_ae86) looked into/is looking into a sedan rear set up in his panno, maybe PM him for some suggestions.



if its just for drift then pan hard + anti tramp rods + stiffened + stiff shocks

Yeah, basically what Sam has said will get you out and drifting with some better handling, no worries. However as you progress, you may want to upgrade again, and to upgrade again means modifying the car in a way that Mr. Policeman doesnt really like. Believe me.


Dehney, where you from?

[dehney]

the car wont be street driven much
im in adelaide matt

well i got a few weeks till the next prac day so ill work something out

[Sam-Q]

ok instead of crazy ideas on how to transplant the whole floor pan and the like can just the mounts be moved or atleast be made up? I mean even if they have to be boxed in there.

[dehney]

thats what i was kinda thing of doing so when i pick the shell up ill put both next to each other and see what i can do about it all.

just wanna do some thing different and such.

[Schnickles]

Denbot how about getting one of your other 10 projects running ha ha the race is on for 2020 my car v's your wagon, Winner gets a free train ticket

[dehney]

haha ur so on nick i hear ur sick been train it too much ay
ps i need to ask u a few questions about what i wanna do with the wagon fella
u help me ill help u with ur car

[Schnickles]

ha ha nice one denbot, ill prob catch u sometime next week
When you gettin the wagon shell?

[dehney]

next week haha after i finish work
so iv the holidays im going to reshell and do a few mods

[resol]

like Motorfix questionable or 'I dont want to drive near him let along get in his car questionable' ??

the later for sure.....

in my wagon i added an extra leaf into the set upside down. so this lowered it and made the rear end stiffer. and because of the geometry of the rear end you can run much shorter shocks. i used como wagon rear shocks, they were a little long but didnt matter as they are leaf spring.

-dan

[Sam-Q]

yeah it's not like the leafs will fall out with the wrong shocks right :P although it is ideal if the piston stays in the middle of the shocker body.

[boost+k]

in my wagon i still run leafs, had the pack reset to almost flat then put the overload leaf back in and added a half upside down leaf on top, then some front shocks from a 4wd van with torsion bar and ae86 sway bar.... i quite like the way it handles

http://vimeo.com/7531458

[matt99]

the later for sure.....


Just had to put it in didnt you.

[resol]

Just had to put it in didnt you.

you just had to quote it didnt you....


go have a winge at sam, or chris who said that your work was "questionable" or better yet, dont do stupid shit to your car that could kill others on the road, let alone yourself/passengers.


-dan

[dehney]

in my wagon i still run leafs, had the pack reset to almost flat then put the overload leaf back in and added a half upside down leaf on top, then some front shocks from a 4wd van with torsion bar and ae86 sway bar.... i quite like the way it handles

http://vimeo.com/7531458

might have to suss ur way mate
and if i dont like it ill play around with the 4 link
cheers for all the help dudes

[matt99]

you just had to quote it didnt you....


go have a winge at sam, or chris who said that your work was "questionable" or better yet, dont do stupid shit to your car that could kill others on the road, let alone yourself/passengers.


-dan

Neck up you fucking parrot.

How the hell is my set up ever going to kill me or my passengers. The worst that could happen is some of the diff mounts break and I ass drag to a stop, thats fine, you should know all about ass dragging.

Thats not going to happen anyway, I have slid the shit out of that thing, and jumped it off train lines and its never once failed me.

Im not going to have a go at Sam or Chris because Sam has never seen this car in the flesh so what type of judgement can he really pass? Plus, I think hes quite knowledgeable, unlike you.

Chris I get along very well with, he can pay it out all he likes, he can piss on it and I still wont care.

As for you, your just a smartass, like you always have been.

[resol]

Neck up you fucking parrot.

How the hell is my set up ever going to kill me or my passengers. The worst that could happen is some of the diff mounts break and I ass drag to a stop, thats fine, you should know all about ass dragging.

Thats not going to happen anyway, I have slid the shit out of that thing, and jumped it off train lines and its never once failed me.

Im not going to have a go at Sam or Chris because Sam has never seen this car in the flesh so what type of judgement can he really pass? Plus, I think hes quite knowledgeable, unlike you.

Chris I get along very well with, he can pay it out all he likes, he can piss on it and I still wont care.

As for you, your just a smartass, like you always have been.

i havnt seen your car in the flesh either.

you could have the diff mounts break mid corner driving in traffic and hit oncomming traffic. one of the member on toymods a few years back ran too many spacers to be cool and the wheel nuts stripped off, the wheel rolled along the road at 60km/h and hit a bmw righting it off... thats the kinda shit that can happen when you do dodgey things, and i happen to think that what you have doen with that panno is dodgey.

i didnt even bring your car up, i just added my opinion of it, to halt any fleeting ideas that dehney may have had to mod his car how you have (for you it may have worked out ok, but it might not for him).

ffs matt stop looking for things to jump down my neck about, your as much of a smartass (if not more) then i am...

back on topic, your best playing around a little if this is your first drift car (even if its not your going to need some fiddling around). biggest problem i had with the leaf setup is that the diff is not secure enough and rolls forward and back on the leaf pack under hard braking/accel. i.e pulling the handbrake, or clutch kicking.

also sway bars, and the fact they dont have one....


-dan

[shift_rook]

i love matt's setup i'm just giving him shit cause everyone else does haha, it's a pretty safe setup, i've even driven on it, yes matt now you can pay me out on my driving skills. dehney i'd say try sticking with jsut the leafs first and progress from there once the skills outmatch the car, a lot of work to convert but could be pretty sick if done right, and dan, fuck you claim you know so much but fuck up with the most simple of little tasks. i'm gonna leave it at this. also why do you need a rear swaybar? . dehney i'll remove my comment if you want me too

[resol]

and dan, fuck you claim you know so much but fuck up with the most simple of little tasks. i'm gonna leave it at this. also why do you need a rear swaybar? . dehney i'll remove my comment if you want me too

rear swaybars, and front for that matter, help keep the car flat while cornering. which is something that is good. without them the car boats all over the place. but i didnt have to tell you that did i?

and what did i fuck up?

its fair enough to side with your mates, but why bring yourself into a internet bitches fest chris?

-dan

[R&D Mechanical]

i found a swaybar to help ALOT! :) add leafs and reset and a porn hard if you can fab it up

[boost+k]

i ran for a long time with no sway bar and when i finally fitted one i wished it was the first thing i had done... makes the car far more predicable, without it when you changed direction it would snap and was quite hard to catch nicley, also reduced low speed understeer

i spose the best way to desribe it is that the rear now feels more connected

and resol, my diff is restrited in how much is rolls because the overload leaf is like 6mm thick and the half upside down leaf also evens it out aswell, and the front of the pack is strapped togeather with 5x25mm bar

[dehney]

well im going to run my t series diff so ill ran a rear sway bar and just suss out keeping the leafs for abit then see how it goes cheers for all the feedback fellas

[Sam-Q]

are you going to swap the leaf mounts over to it?

[dehney]

yeah i am iv got an s diff im going to try it on first then do it to the t diff
and later on to a 4 link with a disc jdm diff

[Sam-Q]

oh right, pity your not near me I could help you with it.

I wouldn't suggest a Trueno diff

[All Drift Modifications]

Matt face it your panno is shit.

The only reason why your the only one to cut out your floor pan and think its a great idea is because your the only one stupid enough to do it.

Moral of the story, don't cut your floor pan out because you'll never sell the car.

[Sam-Q]

Im not going to have a go at Sam or Chris because Sam has never seen this car in the flesh so what type of judgement can he really pass? Plus, I think hes quite knowledgeable, unlike you.


actually I just said I don't like it and not much else, but the reason I don't is not what you think. It's because I think it's a waste to have a panno or a wagon and then lose the space in the back with such an arrangement. I have not and will not comment on the safety because even detailed photos won't tell me that, I would have to see it. From a concept point of view there is no major flaw with it but no it's not an elegant solution.

[Sam-Q]

here is another option for you guys, keep a single rear leaf and then run a coil-over type suspension

[Schnickles]

Dehney your threads causin quite a stir here
How about startin basic? get ur leafs made to the height you want, some half decent shocks and a sway bar - all of which i know you are capable of doin at home. Then look at making up some sort of panhard rod although watts linkage would be much nicer to run especially with leaves and after all that if it gets axle hop which i dont think it will make some anti tramp bars then you have a car which retains factory gear so its still gonna be structually sound and if you get defected at least you have a chance of puttin it back to stock to get it passed by your mates at regency.. if all else fails scrap the car and catch a train ha ha

[dehney]

nick ur a tripper of a dude haha but i like ur thinking and i could always run shit by u anyways

indeed i think i made a bitch thread its funny tho cuz i dont care much about the bitching

when i get the wagon next week ill do what i can with the rear end and slide the prick of a thing

[Schnickles]

Thats the way you mite find its not too bad is the car runnin?? i wanna see it at lala next prac

[dehney]

the car will be running after jan
i got to get u to rebuild jays old block then help me build the motor if jay is chill with that then bam look out lala

[Matt-AE86]

here is another option for you guys, keep a single rear leaf and then run a coil-over type suspension

This is how I always thought of doing it. Rather just do the motofix way with a few pals and a welder.

[Golberg]

No more arguing about who has done what wrong, and who's car isn't safe.

If you persist, I'll just lock the thread, and that doesn't help anybody.

[matt99]

well im going to run my t series diff so ill ran a rear sway bar and just suss out keeping the leafs for abit then see how it goes cheers for all the feedback fellas

Perfect, if its a T series with sway bar mounts then this make life a lot easier. Simply use a S series sprinter sway bar, bolt it up on the diff, then swing it up to the INSIDE of the chassis rails. It will need to be flexed a little to get it to tuck in but only by hand, nothing major.

Make sure you have the little 90 degree angle brackets still on the sway bar, these line up perfectly with your rails, all you need to do is drill then bolt, or weld. Or even both.

Once your under there with the sway bolted to the diff, it explains itself.

[Sam-Q]

This is how I always thought of doing it. Rather just do the motofix way with a few pals and a welder.

yeah the catch is that you would definately need an anti tramp rod and also a pan hard because of the lack of rigitity left. Yeah go the welder

[R&D Mechanical]

its ok matt i like your car :)