some ae71 questions.

[Cerby86]

Okay
I've had a search around but everything i found is ae86 based and i want to make sure of a few things.

1) I am upgrading my brakes to hilux four pots. I want to upgrade the master cylinder.
Now I know you can use the r32 or mitsu starion cylinders but i figure they might be a bit hard to find.
My question is what is the part number or car model of the pajero cylinder?
Also on toymods they say a 2003-6 (or something like that) camry master will work on a ta22. Will the same cylinder work on an ae71?

2) At the same time im swapping in a T series drum brake diff. I've done this before into an ae86 and didn't have any problems.
The question is does it work the same in an ae71? Ie do i use the ae71 handbrake cables or t18 ones?
And do i do the usual thing with the tailshaft?

3) Next question is to do with the hilux/peugeot/corona brake upgrade.
On toymods there is some talk that using ae86 steering arms (which i am) that the end of the control arm hits on the disc.
Now im using corona control arms, and ae86 power steering arms and 40mm rcas. Does anyone have any experience with this setup and whether it will hit? They say if you use corona steering arms it fixes the problem but looses you all your lock. Also I like my ps arms :P

I did ask some of these questions on toymods but nobody has answered.
Im pretty sure thats it but im sure i will think of more.
Cheers
Cerby

[todd]

1) not sure sorry, someone will know who has done the conversion though.

2) yeah the mounting points and brake lines are exactly the same as the diff you have in your ae71 standard. direct bolt in (besides tailshaft). the handbrake cables only differ if you are using a jdm disc to disc in place of your stock drum brake, so that shouldn't be an issue (even if it is, your handbrake will work fine with some adjusting).

3) i have heard the same, which is one of the reasons the pug/lux/rona setup is not used that widely. but i can't confirm first hand. im sure there are people who can though. it *may* be worth looking into the rx7 conversion or even an aftermarket kit of something like the T3 kit. then you will be able to retain your ae86 struts/steering components and not have to worry about any silly business (depending on wheel diameter).

hope that helps.

[Cerby86]

yeah i started gathering parts for the rx7 conversion. I've had the calipers sitting there for ages but then a complete hilux setup came up for a good price so i grabbed it.
No I'd rather make this setup work than drop it and start another.

[resol]

have done this exact setup in a members 86.

1) we used a starion MC brand new from PBR, stock booster, and modified the front line from the MC to fit the new one. fidley but works well, good brake feel etc.

2) same as sprinter

3) brakes faul on LCA with P/S arms. it took camber tops + NRCA's to get enough clearance between the disc and LCA. this is because the disc is much thicker and has a different offset.

IMO get your hands on some skyline r32 gtst calipers they are the same caliper (mounts and all from memory) but about 1/4 of the weight.

pm me if you would like some more info before you go trying it yourself

-dan

[Cerby86]

If you don't mind me asking how much was the starion master?
I don't know how easy it would be to get some r32 calipers, but i actually already have 2 pairs of hilux calipers and a pair of rx7 ones :P

[resol]

cant recall off the top off my head, would have to look through invoices, or even easier call up supplier to find out!

r32 calipers are easy to get, $150-$250 depending on condition and if they come with good pads/rotors etc etc...


-dan

[Cerby86]

right but how do the r32 calipers fix the fouling problem? Or do you have to use a different disc with them?

[Cerby86]

oh and how much camber was it running with the nrcas and camber tops?

at this exact moment i've got the hilux setup here and a wheel of the car measuring stuff up! It will definitely hit even with 40 rcas! Not sure how much of an effect the cambertops i have will make.
So Im meant to be preping the struts to convert to coilover today so i can get them welded up tomorrow and now im thinking maybe I'd be better off selling all the hilux conversion stuff and buying some ajps brackets and discs!

[todd]

im thinking maybe I'd be better off selling all the hilux conversion stuff and buying some ajps brackets and discs!

yerpp do it.
u have a bunch of unused brake parts there to sell. can afford the caliper/brackets with what u sell :)

[Cerby86]

yeah i cracked it and im nowgoing with the rx7 upgrade.
my local abs store told me they don't stock dba or rda discs and can't get them in.
then they told me that their suppliers don't make slotted rotors full stop.
funny thing is i bought a set of slotted from the other abs store like two days ago!!
So I said well if you just going to tell me bullshit to get rid of me i'll buy them of someone else!!

[resol]

the skyline brakes are just lighter, a lot lighter, but still have all the fitment issues.

the RCA wont help at all, you need NRCA, negative camber roll center adjusters. this moves the strut further away from the balljoint, and as a result the disc further from the LCA. you coul probably get away with just the NRCA to fit the brakes, but im not 100% depends on how far offset the NRCA are.

its a great brake setup and if you have the parts already then i wouldnt shy away from it, but you will need at a minimum the NRCA for them to fit.


-dan

[Jonny Rochester]

I can get new slotted discs for you at a fair price. Mostly likely they will be RDA brand.

[Cerby86]

actually an rca will make a difference. I do know what a nrca is but i don't really like them, since it would more sense to me to use a longer control arm.

how much camber was the car you were talking about running in the end??

[resol]

actually an rca will make a difference. I do know what a nrca is but i don't really like them, since it would more sense to me to use a longer control arm.

how much camber was the car you were talking about running in the end??

what i meant was a RCA wont make it fit.

the NRCA is the only thing that will make this fit (other then stock corona steering arms) because the disc need to move further from the BALL JOINT. a longer control arm will not change anything other then the angle that the disc is on. while this may give you a few mm at static position when the suspension/steering moves through its normal travel it will faul.

one of the members on this forum has this exact setup in his sprinter and is very happy with it. check the sponsor section under the ADM testimonials thread. he posted int there (cant remember his forum name)


-dan

[Cerby86]

no when i was talking about the longer steering arm I meant if you want negative camber I would use a longer control arm or camber tops rather than use a nrca.
Anyway this is all academic since Im using a different setup now.
I reckon i'll find some xt130 steering arms to sell with the brake set up.

[Jonny Rochester]

If I was doing the HiLux brakes and XT130 struts in a Corolla again, I would use custom steering knuckles. On one car I used RA23 knuckles cut and welded shorter. On another car I used KE20 knuckles with some holes filled up and redrilled.

But the RX7 brakes are lighter, bigger, and bolt on with the AJPS brackets. Which is what I have.


Peugeot disk is 20mm thick. Civic disc is 22mm thick. That is a fair difference I think.

[resol]

no when i was talking about the longer steering arm I meant if you want negative camber I would use a longer control arm or camber tops rather than use a nrca.
Anyway this is all academic since Im using a different setup now.
I reckon i'll find some xt130 steering arms to sell with the brake set up.

fair enough you have gone with another set-up.

just to clear things up, when i refered to the steering arm. the xt130 ones are not only longer, but they also have different offset to the ae86 p/s ones this moves the base of the strut further away from the LCA. just enough to clear with the cambertops maxed out.

however if you want to run the ae86 p/s arms, you will need some NRCA which will do the same job (but better) as the xt130 steering arms. also the cambertops wouldnt need to be maxed out.

from memory the FC are the same as GTR calipers? while the hilux, r32 gtst and a couple of others are all the same just some lighter then others.


-dan