Rear coilover options?

[GOODY]

Can anyone tell me what rear ae86/ke70 coilover setups they are using? I'm currently looking at just getting a set of k-sports from the US - http://ksportusa.com/asp/coilovers_detail.asp?product_id=cd01

I already have front ae86/hsd sleeves so I will be selling off the new k-sport fronts for anyone interested.

Or is there a cheap local option? I'm after a complete rear coilover like in the link above, not the seperate shock and spring combo some companies make.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[ae86]

t3 have seperate rear coilovers based round kyb agx shocks, good if you dont plan on being slammed

[marvis]

FC? Ask jono I think he is rocking some.

[bigdaddykane]

ive heard that FC ones work so many times, but havent seen it?

[Konakid]

R32 ones were the go back in the day werent they?

[GOODY]

Is this the jono? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/member.php?4752-jono

I've looked at the T3 ones but I'm hoping not to spend that much..

[shift_rook]

the reason the other companies go a seperate shock spring configuration is because the actual shock turret isn't really meant to support the whole weight of the rear end, jsut make sure you do the required bracing of the turret before you just go slamming coilovers in, is there any real reason you'd like to run coilovers over a seperate spring shock configuration with adjustable seats?

[GOODY]

the reason the other companies go a seperate shock spring configuration is because the actual shock turret isn't really meant to support the whole weight of the rear end, jsut make sure you do the required bracing of the turret before you just go slamming coilovers in, is there any real reason you'd like to run coilovers over a seperate spring shock configuration with adjustable seats?

I am planning on doing the required bracing so thanks for the heads up. The main reason I'm after the single coilover setup is to give me more room to make my current 3" under diff exhaust into an over diff.
This will give me more clearance over speed bumps etc.
I also plan on stiffening up the rear end a bit more and possibly going a bit lower all round.

[shift_rook]

yeah fair enough, don't see why r32 coilovers wouldn't go in, can get em bullshit cheap second hand anyway even just for test fitting

[slydar]

t3 are too long and the shock is too soft.

ive seen fc used but the upper perch arrangement was pretty ghetto. could obviously be improved upon with some custom parts.

the problem is there isnt really enough room in the turret and the spring/hat etc will foul on the body.

you can have them made on order through GAB a uk company. gilly was having them made and calling them his own but really anyone can order them, you just need to know what to ask for - pin top at the correct length, eye bottom correct i.d, correct stroke/overall length.

i modified my last 86 chassis/diff to fit a universal fit motor sport coil over.

i couldnt say for sure if it was the coil over, or the 4 link (both probably) but that car had by far the best rear end set up ive ever had.

i.e i think rear coilovers are worth the trouble. the only reason id run the normal set up is it looks more factory, so youre less likely to get a defect.

[marvis]

Jono, umm junta or something, his KE70 is called the baby octopus

[shift_rook]

juturna

[Konakid]

Gaz wasnt it? anyone else bringing them in?

[shift_rook]

there are both gaz and gab, gilly was gringing gab in. i'm looking to market something pretty soon for the fellas who want something pretty serious, i'm becoming a sponsor on here soon enough and i'll be letting you guys know what i have for sale soon

[Robo86]

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/6/9/547608.jpg
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/6/9/24187.jpg

mine, done by brett (purple 86)

daily driven for years with them, dirt dropped, track drifted like 15 times. not one problem..

can lay RAIL too

[shift_rook]

without any form of bracing to the turret at all?

[marvis]

Yup.

I picked up some custom ones also for the rear of the bro's AE86.

[slydar]

there are both gaz and gab, gilly was gringing gab in. i'm looking to market something pretty soon for the fellas who want something pretty serious, i'm becoming a sponsor on here soon enough and i'll be letting you guys know what i have for sale soon

sorry no. it was GAZ. and Kona, anyone can order them.

[slydar]

http://www.gaz-shocks.co.uk/

[Just Half Steppin]

yes anyone CAN order them, however gilly was providing a service so as to incur hassle free ordering... i.e. an agent

[shift_rook]

wow guess i'm wrong, aaaaah yep... well guess i look like a dumbey then :D i'll have a look ibnto the gaz's if i can rebuild them i might look into becoming an agent

[Konakid]

Robbo are yours just TRD blues with a sleeve, that looks like a decent option.

[lo_rolla]

I've got the same.
70XIN imported them from Japan.

[Dom86]

mine, done by brett (purple 86)

daily driven for years with them, dirt dropped, track drifted like 15 times. not one problem..

can lay RAIL too


without any form of bracing to the turret at all?

I got my coupe from jp with TRD rears http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/3/44281.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/undersus2ta5.jpg/)

These are another TRD pair I bought. The spring perch design is slightly different, but the same thing really...
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/3/44282.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/streetbuild5001.jpg/)
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1386/streetbuild5009.th.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/i/streetbuild5009.jpg/)

Just to confirm what robo said, no extra bracing, I did 1 and a half drift seasons on them with no probs, even had the car airborne lol.
I could only guess how long they have been in the car, but they were well used when i got them.

Oh, the only thing is they are rare.
I do know of another set up that looks ok. I'll get some pics up.

[slydar]

wow guess i'm wrong, aaaaah yep... well guess i look like a dumbey then :D i'll have a look ibnto the gaz's if i can rebuild them i might look into becoming an agent

lol. thats the whole point. theres no need for an extra middle man. anyway, im pretty sure i can beat you to the punch. i already know what to order, and im already a sponsor. so sorry, you lose, im the GAZ agent. and yes btw they are rebuildable.

i was actually planning to be the "agent" a fair while before gilly did it. and had plans to make them a full bolt in set up, gilly was selling them with the need to modify the body on an 86. i.e cut away a small portion of the "cup". this isnt at all necessary. all thats needed is a taller spring hat, or a spacer between the spring hat and the stock style rubber insulators, and ordering the threaded section an extra 50mm longer.

seriously, pay me $50 ontop of the retail price and ill order exactly what you need.

[GOODY]

Thanks for all the pics and info! To be honest right now the cheapest option is going to work for what I need.
I'm guessing the Gaz option is going to be $1000+? The exchange rate is not the best at the momnet but I can get a pair of rear k-sports for under $700 delivered. Still not really cheap but any savings is a a plus.

Anyone got pics of the R32 option fitted up? I'm guessing there would need to be some modding of the lower mounting point?

http://ksportusa.com/asp/coilovers_detail.asp?product_id=cd01

Opinions on these?

[ae86]

thing about GAZ ones is i dont know why but the bottom bush is a bitch to get on the car its not slip on its, get your largest rubber mallet out n smack the thing to fit on

[Dom86]

I found this rear coilover kit on Yahoo, It's similar to the TRD ones, in the way it mounts at the top at least.
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/3/44294.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/skengineeringtkimg600x4.jpg/)

...and once together could look like these.
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/3/44295.jpg (http://img442.imageshack.us/i/skengineeringtkimg450x6.jpg/)http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/3/44296.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/skengineeringtkimg450x6.jpg/)
If i remember correctly these ^^^ are N2 coilovers, on Yahoo also. As you can see the dampner is quite thick/heavy duty.

Not exactly cheap, but a good option I think.

[GOODY]

I found this rear coilover kit on Yahoo, It's similar to the TRD ones, in the way it mounts at the top at least.
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/3/44294.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/skengineeringtkimg600x4.jpg/)

...and once together could look like these.
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/3/44295.jpg (http://img442.imageshack.us/i/skengineeringtkimg450x6.jpg/)http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/4/3/44296.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/skengineeringtkimg450x6.jpg/)
If i remember correctly these ^^^ are N2 coilovers, on Yahoo also. As you can see the dampner is quite thick/heavy duty.

Not exactly cheap, but a good option I think.

I haven't had any experience with buying direct from Japan, what is the whole process like? And what should I be exepcting to pay for something like what you posted? Including delivery?

[blair]

Robbo are yours just TRD blues with a sleeve, that looks like a decent option.

Yeh thats what the are man. tis what i will be doing EVENTUALLY lol

[slydar]

I'm guessing the Gaz option is going to be $1000+?

why guess? i gave a url to the site. your a fair way off..


thing about GAZ ones is i dont know why but the bottom bush is a bitch to get on the car its not slip on its, get your largest rubber mallet out n smack the thing to fit on

i dont see that as a massive issue. plus, yours, are ones gilly spec'd. if you order a pair to your own dimensions, you possibly wont have that problem. regardless, the lower shock mount is now carrying the weight of the car, a tight fit is a good thing.

[bigdaddykane]

how much do the trd blues go for?

[Touge Boy]

Slydar... im in the market for new coilovers... reckon you could hit me up with a price for front and rears out of curiosity?

Can I specify spring rates?

[GOODY]

why guess? i gave a url to the site. your a fair way off..



i dont see that as a massive issue. plus, yours, are ones gilly spec'd. if you order a pair to your own dimensions, you possibly wont have that problem. regardless, the lower shock mount is now carrying the weight of the car, a tight fit is a good thing.

I emailed them a few days ago and the reply I got was, what is an AE86? Still waiting on another reply for pricing.

[AJPS]

Slydar... im in the market for new coilovers... reckon you could hit me up with a price for front and rears out of curiosity?

Can I specify spring rates?

Didnt you get Greddy ones?

[Touge Boy]

Nope. The set that was found @ UpGarage Sold before they got there, and no more stock from GReddy until late July.

[AJPS]

Ah...if youre willing to do USA they seem to have stock

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GREDDY-SUSPENSION-TYPE-S-TOYOTA-COROLLA-AE86-14012203-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2c545fb577QQitemZ19039 4119543QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries#ht_2035wt_960

[Touge Boy]

Not with the AUD the way it is. Tried to buy them through Aaron @ Shakotan Garage too and same deal.

Im still looking around, Ill sort something eventually.

[Sam-Q]

who sells coil-over springs with a small diameter? like smaller than 60mm?

[Frak]

My rear coil overs use a 2.25inch(57mm) spring to clear the minimal room in the back of an AE86. Back when I did the coilover conversion(7/8 years ago) I had the coil springs custom made and got the helper springs from Rally Spares in Wales(guys were over here with RS1800, helped them out with car so they helped me with parts). It was really hard back then to get 2.25 inch springs/helper springs in Aus, everything was 2.5 inch.

[44GTE]

Hi

I am running TRD unit very similar to the ones that Dom86 has shown up first

They are a TRD Red and very nice , from N2 racing and have the nicely shapped aluminium billet to fit up into the sandard cup in the rear chassis for the better distribution of the weight and forces.

They don't come cheap like this though even sec hand

I also have 2 sets of these in Japan ready for the next container.

cheers

[Sam-Q]

you know all this talk about it being a weak area and all makes me think. I have put a grinder through this area and the metal is fairly thick, sure it isn't almost completely under tension but it does seem thicker than a strut tower to me

[ke_70]

i think it'd be strong enough unless it rally or similar harsh roads

[Sam-Q]

I cant see it failing under any conditions

[ke_70]

yeah your probley right

[Sam-Q]

oh boy... ok if anyone converts to rear coil-overs make a mental note not to do that

[slydar]

the shock tower is 3 layers thick. the top will never fail i dont think. especially with a few extra spots around the seem. the diff mount maybe, but not if its gusseted.

re springs. im pretty sure any decent motorsport suplier can provide you 1.9" i.e springs now. that is what the gaz kit uses. 2.25 is what the kits ive been using use on the front..

[ke70dave]

yer king springs can do up custom made springs for a pretty reasonable price.

i got some made up a few years ago. you just specifiy rate, free height, and ID.

[GOODY]

I've recieved an email back from Gaz shocks in the UK and they have sent me this picture below. They are not the actual coilover but are pretty much what they will look like apart from some different top fittings and zinc coating/colours.

What do you guys think? Anything special I should be asking for? What sort of spring rate should I be wanting if the car is going to be used mainly for drift and daily driving. I would like it to be fairly stiff..

[Konakid]

5kg should be perfect with a swaybar.

[slydar]

350lb is what to ask for. 6kg.

see the photo you posted? thats how they supply them spring wise, with the spring almost the full length of the coilover. make sure you ask for a shorter spring than they would normally supply, so you have a decent range of adjustment. theyre expecting that the car will compress the spring a fair bit, not the case with a corolla.

ask how much extra it will be with a helper spring as well. wont be to much extra i dont think and its a very worthy addition when using stiff springs in a light car.

[GOODY]

5kg should be perfect with a swaybar.

My current swaybar is from a Celica (can't remember model) but they are a small upgrade from stock. At the moment I've just got some cut down falcon springs with some KYB VL wagon shocks in there.

[GOODY]

350lb is what to ask for. 6kg.

see the photo you posted? thats how they supply them spring wise, with the spring almost the full length of the coilover. make sure you ask for a shorter spring than they would normally supply, so you have a decent range of adjustment. theyre expecting that the car will compress the spring a fair bit, not the case with a corolla.

ask how much extra it will be with a helper spring as well. wont be to much extra i dont think and its a very worthy addition when using stiff springs in a light car.

Thanks mate, just the sort of info I was after.
I was worried about running out of adjustment and not being able to get the car as low as I wanted, but if I get some helper springs then do you think that will solve the problem?

Anything else I should be asking for? Different types of shocks etc.?
They have said they do have the drawings neccessary to make a set to suit a ae86, or in my case a ke70.

[evil86]

i've got ksport on my hatch for awhile now and they feel good. even though that are 4kg springs that feel good. them blue trd coilovers look like the coilover perch just sits on the trd shocks>?

[GOODY]

What did the K-sports cost you curiously? Is their an Australian distributer?

[GOODY]

Can anyone tell me if the rear AE86 top shock mounts are any different to a ke70? Anyone else currently using the Gaz option?

[marvis]

Depends on preference, I would run 9k f 7k r

[GOODY]

Currently got 7kg on the front and didn't really want to change. Would 6kg on the rear be a bit too soft?

[neville]

No man 6kg on the rear is what most guys are running

[ae86]

atm with my experience using gaz rear coilovers in my rig ( steroidchickens old ones ) its supposeably 6kg and its STIFF, not joking atall its more than enough to slide, gets uncomfy etc.

[Konakid]

6 is super stiff, good for skids.

[Frak]

I would run 9k f 7k r

Bloody hell!

[blair]

I'm running that soon! currently 8-7 with stock rear swaybar, but i just chucked a thick one in so its gonna be to oversteery until i get the 9's in!

[Dom86]

Currently got 7kg on the front and didn't really want to change. Would 6kg on the rear be a bit too soft?

Would be too hard and over steery if anything. Probably go a 5 or 4.5 rear spring. General rule of thumb is 2kg difference seems to work well in most cases.
But it depends on you driving style and what your used too.
8 and 6 is perfect for drift only. 7 and 5/4.5 would be better for street/drift. I'm guessing 6 and 4/4.5 would be best for grip/street.
Your not going to know till you've tried them though. You can always change your driving style to suit.
I'm using 8 and 6 in my drift car and running 7 and 5 in my streeter which could get annoying.

[evil86]

im running 6-4 and its pretty good. slides good and grips good... my drifts are not too aggressive so it suits me. there is a ksport distributor in brookvale, nsw www.aandbmotorsports.com

[AJPS]

yeah id buy k sport

look at all their other good products

http://www.aandbmotorsports.com/boostkit.html

[Kid Karola]

I would run 9k f 7k r

Bloody hell!

You've ridden shotgun in mine with 10k & 8k - you loved it!!! :yeah: haha

6k & 4.5k is nice for daily/spirited drive. 8k & 6k sick for skids yo!

[hachi_dk]

yeah id buy k sport

look at all their other good products

http://www.aandbmotorsports.com/boostkit.html

OMG.
i thought that was fiction!

on topic: i run 8kg fronts with TRD green (rally shocks) and 6kg rears with TRD blues set at setting 6.

its my daily too and aint that bad.