3sge Clutches

[Andy San]

So i'm trying to get myself the correct exedy clutch for my new motor.

Beams 3sge with W-57 gearbox.

I Got a price from the supplier at work for the proper Altezza clutch, and they definately stuffed up because the price for the clutch kit (no flywheel) was $1900.

So now i'm trying to get a part number from an equivalent car that will still work with my gearbox engine combo.

My flywheel will take up to a 230mm clutch, but most of them seem to be only 225, (not that this is probably very critical)

So does anyone have any ideas on models that will work for my application?

Cheers

[assassin10000]

I took my flywheel down to the parts store and verified one kit that works here in the states:


During my research I looked into a bunch of different models from toyota and have found a couple that the dimensions do fit.

I literally took my dual mass with me to the parts store earlier today to verify the pressure plate would fit on one of them, as they had it in stock. The one I tried is from a MA46/47 Celica-Supra with 4M-E/5M-E engines. Which is also the same part used on 81-88 Pickups with a 22-RE and the 85-88 Van with 3Y-E/4Y-E.

Dimensions Match: 225mm disc, 29.8mm dia x 21T.
AND the pressure plate fits the flywheel.

Here it is:
Sachs Clutch Part Number: KF62801
Part Detail at CSK Auto (http://kragen.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=SAC&MfrPartNumber=KF62801&PartType=244&PTSet=A)


I built a reference sheet for exedy clutches and I think this one should work for you: TYK-6311 (also available as heavy duty/cushion button - TYK-6311 HDCB)

Just add a double row spigot bearing: 5201-2RS or equivelant

Andrew

[Andy San]

what model car is the TYK-6311 from?

the MA46/47? because we didn't get that in aus to my knowlege

*EDIT* Looks like it's anything with a w-series box in it, but the spline size is different to what is listed for the altezza, 28.9mm compared to 29.8 on the altezza

[assassin10000]

WTH! When I made my sheet it showed 29.8

Hmm... just took a quick browse the exedy.com.au and even on cars I KNOW have a W5x it shows the 28.9 instead of 29.8.

Typo?

Yeah, that clutch fits Tarago/Hiace with 3/4y's, hilux with 3y/4y/22r's, MX7x's, Soarer's etc.

Andrew

[Andy San]

quite possibly, seeing as they didn't even have the specific altezza listing in the price sheet when i rang about it.

is there a flywheel diameter that needs to be worked out? the only other problem i can see is that they don't make a hyper single clutch kit for the TYK-6311, which is the one i need.

[assassin10000]

Hyper single kit for Altezza = TH03SD

http://www.exedy-racing.com/pro/fittingrist/toyota/alte_hy.html

Parts in TH03SD:
Clutch cover = CH11S
Disc = DH07D

http://www.exedy-racing.com/pro/repair_1.html#hs

Problem is, you need a hypersingle flywheel... do you have one?



The other one will work with a stock flywheel, or any aftermarket replacement for an altezza from japan. If using a W5x.

Andrew

[Andy San]

don't have a hyper single flywheel,

just checked against xtreme clutches listings,

they list the celica and altezza at the same size shaft - 29mm

whereas exedy have it as

celica, supra, tarago (anything with a w series box) as 28.9mm

altezza, and a few of the other possible ones - 29.8mm

so now i don't know what to go off... i thought they were the same size and so did the guy at xtreme when i spoke to him.

having a look at stuff now i think a cushioned button should work, but not sure if they are comparable to the xtreme ones. (hopefully the springs don't fall out of the clutch plate like the xtreme ones do)

[assassin10000]

If you want to know if they're the same, and why I know it's a typo. Take a look at the clutch alignment tool... they're the same part #.

Altezza J160 & W55-59 have the same input & output spline IIRC. I don't have a J160 to compare anymore, but at one point I did.

Andrew

[Andy San]

ok so that clears that up.

now will the flywheel size be the same overall diameter if the clutch sizes are the same?

or do they vary?

[assassin10000]

Flywheel size is usually the same O.D. size if it has the same size disc. I think Toyota tends to use the same flywheel ring gear with the same size disc.

What flywheel do you plan on using/already have?

Andrew

[Andy San]

have one which suits the factory beams clutch/spigot bearing etc, (single mass) just going to order the 6311 kit and see how i go. Pretty certain it will be the correct size for the flywheel. With the spigot bearing, the flywheel has a machined out centre section to take the standard one i think, so i'll get one of those as well and see if it fits in. They are pretty cheap anyway.

[Anthony]

Hey, theyre def the same spline (W5x and J160). I would get your local friendly clutch shop to make something up. When we did a few clutches for Tims RA65 drift car (1JZ) the combo we ended up with (on a 2JZGE flywheel, same pattern as yours) was an uprated 4runner cover, prob 22re i guess, but they have more straps and are easier to overclamp. The plate was just a generic toyota double sprung daikin hub, with a laser cut 5 puck steel plate and the typical miba ceramic buttons. lasted well. Should be a snack for your local shop.

[takai]

Yeah, W58 and J160 are the same spline sizes.

The 2JZGE clutches/flywheels are for a 240mm clutch plate though, not the 230 that i thought Andy's flywheel was...

I can bring a 2JZ clutch plate around if you want to check Andy.

[Andy San]

yeah you're right, mine is 230mm max, but the 225mm 22re/18rg/4y+others one will work fine i reckon.

[takai]

5ME as well is 225mm. If you want i can grab the 5M clutch off the Supra engine and bring that for a test.

[assassin10000]

4me/5me shares the same p# as the 3y/4y/22r here in the states. Should work.

Andrew

[Celica RA45]

andy ring me as i have a altezza clutch set up here also chrom moly f/wheels as well 0412045467

[Celica RA45]

i have a new altezza clutch and pressure plate here by the way