Lock spacers and custom steering arms

[trikzlane]

hey guys, i want to modify my steering arms for more lock. (i want more than pwr steer arms give)

what i want to know is does anyone have sketchs/demenions/drawings/plans etc.. on what angles and how to archive more lock but retaining ackermans.

dont give me your opions if you havnt done it, i want to speak to the people who have and know there shit

thanks,
mereki.

[ae71ness]

have a look at ae70s drift 4agte ke70, he has a picture of his modified knuckles. the proof is in the pudding with those babies.

[trikzlane]

have seen them but im looking for a specs plan on how far to more parts and so on

[shift_rook]

who'll be doing the welding, just buy the same as what davey's rocking/ i'm rocking, i hit a gutter at about 40 k's and bent the arm but the weld didn't budge so they're seriously strong, hit me up if you want contact details, ackermans is fiddled with but my steering feels so freaking sweet, wouldn't have it any other way now

[Delazy]

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/showthread.php/12389-custom-steering-Knuckles-and-getting-max-lock

bit of reading for you...

the lock itself generally isnt alot more than ps knuckles with lock spacer...but the actual difference it makes to how the car drives is certainly apparent

[trikzlane]

mate is a fitter and turner, makes custom s13 lock knuckles, so he want to trial these on my car, it free so im happy

also i found a thread on custom knuckles so all is good, will keep looking

[trikzlane]

thats the thread i found already, thanks anyway

[trikzlane]

read the whole thread but there doesnt seem to be any length, just different opinons

[kaibeecee]

first off, what steering arms are you modifying, PS or standard?

if standard, take out about 10-12mm at first. measure the offset of the hole to the centre of the arm at its widest point. try to keep a similar measurement ackermans wise. the best thing to do is just experiment

[Sam-Q]

why not just use the power steering arms and run a lock spacer? or mod the tie rod ends?

[Sam-Q]

hey how about a quaife rack

[70XIN]

PS arms + lock spacer/modified tie rod ends is win

Do you have a low enough offset/small enough width to actually USE more lock than that? Robs little 7's hit the inner guard with that setup and plenty of castor..

[trikzlane]

have lock spacer, reason im doing this is my mate does s13 knuckles and said he trial some corolla ones for me, so there gunna be free
and seamus, i guess ill find out, spacers if it rubs

[Sam-Q]

ok how about a second lock spacer? do you like the feeling of quicker steering?

[H8CHIR6KU]

this months issue of drift tengoku is based around modded lock arms. they even how they make them step by step and why they do what they do.

only useful tho if you can read japanese. but pictures tell a thousand words etc etc

[AJPS]

this months issue of drift tengoku is based around modded lock arms. they even how they make them step by step and why they do what they do.

only useful tho if you can read japanese. but pictures tell a thousand words etc etc

Wish the pic = 1000 words worked in school

[trikzlane]

this months issue of drift tengoku is based around modded lock arms. they even how they make them step by step and why they do what they do.

only useful tho if you can read japanese. but pictures tell a thousand words etc etc

dont surpose you could scan the pages and post

[H8CHIR6KU]

Wish the pic = 1000 words worked in school

hahahahahahaha gold!!

i would if i could but i dont have a scanner yet

hopefully within the month i will get one.

[Skylar]

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/7/5/59890.jpg

That's the only page you really need to see.

And you might not keep the same ackermann stuff if you're aiming for more angle as the bulbous part at the end may hit the control arm so you need to move them out.

[Skylar]

Probably help a lot if I explained what each picture is.

Top one is shortened arms only
middle is bulb moved out/losing ackerman/avoiding going overcentre
bottom is shortened and moved out

[trikzlane]

cheers man, i have a rough idea of what im going to do now

[xsoarerx]

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/7/5/59890.jpg

That's the only page you really need to see.

And you might not keep the same ackermann stuff if you're aiming for more angle as the bulbous part at the end may hit the control arm so you need to move them out.

thats sick, any chance for a larger version of this pic? even if you email me the file.

[Skylar]

Is that a resize by photobucket or is that the scanner's size. Can I change the size the scanner scans at?

I hate that scanner. Took me 3 months to figure out that it could actually scan stuff.

[Skylar]

Nevermind, the pic created by the scanner is 2400xsomething-else-really-big.

email?

[ke_70]

can you post a link mabey?

[Skylar]

a link to that picture？

???

[assassin10000]

Yeah, a link to the fullsize picture.

Or email it to me and I'll resize/post it. Take my 'username' and add @hotmail.com

Andrew

[ke_70]

Take my 'username' and add @hotmail.com

Andrew

:DD lol

[Skylar]

There is no link to full size picture, unless you want the location of the file on my hard drive where the scanner put it.

you've got an email Andrew.

P.S. fuck photobucket for not having a upload without resize feature.

[assassin10000]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/plate2169/MISC/doriconnakuru.jpg

I also found I had uploaded/saved these a couple years ago, if they're of any interest to you guys.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/plate2169/MISC/doriten1.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/plate2169/MISC/doriten2.jpg


Andrew

[Skylar]

I think I have that mag too. and one more from four years ago showing all the different available knuckles on the market. I think that one even had FC and AE86.

[xsoarerx]

lol... funny story, i have that mag and didnt realise.

was in the pile of mags i brought back after last trip and didnt read *facepalm*

[Tim.duncan]

when welding the arms is there any tricks to it?

can you tig or mig them?

[john84ie]

need some help..puttin ae86 coilovers in my panelvan.just after takin the standard stuts out,trying to get the standard steering arm out and it wont budge,any tips on removing or am i missing something?i have power steering arms i want to fit,thanks

[assassin10000]

Ball joint tool.

Best one I've ever used is from honda... but its super pricey now!!!
http://www.clubrsx.com/graphics/00000001/07MAC-SL00200.gif


Andrew

[johl]

you can hold the lca in your hand with the steering arm on the ground and hit it with a hammer. it will pop it off

[Sam-Q]

I just put the castle nut upside down onto the tie rid shaft till it's flush with the end and then hit it hard with a hammer.

[drift kid]

I am going to be making some new lca's and caster rods out of tube and rose joints, my only dilema is that the sway bar is much to wide and wont allow the wheel to turn inwards much more than full lock standard, has any body else had this issue?

[4A-GE Power]

Loosen the castle nut on the tie rod end and smack the knuckle on the end near the taper with a hammer firmly until the taper pops. Won't damage the thread on the rod end or mankey your nut up if you want to reuse :)

[Jacobxxx]

I am going to be making some new lca's and caster rods out of tube and rose joints, my only dilema is that the sway bar is much to wide and wont allow the wheel to turn inwards much more than full lock standard, has any body else had this issue?
Longer LCA's or smaller wheels

[Skylar]

Extended arm but not with a rod end at the inner pivot. You want to extend the lca between the ball joint and the anti-roll bar/castor rod. Then play with offsets. I think you might need to run a higher offset to reduce the scrub radius.

[Jacobxxx]

Extended arm but not with a rod end at the inner pivot. You want to extend the lca between the ball joint and the anti-roll bar/castor rod. Then play with offsets. I think you might need to run a higher offset to reduce the scrub radius.
THIS

This is why i'd never run adjustable arms, worst set ups ever.

[cooter]

theres a yarn about 86 sway bars rubbing on the wheel at even basic locks ke70s. is it possible for you to try a ke70 swaybar in it? they have a little curved section just before the lca attaching point

edit
i assume the car in question is an 86

[drift kid]

Yes it's my 86 tracker, why are you against adjustable arms jacob? And yeah I already run sigma arms shortened 10mm and I want to solve this issue with the wheels that I have

[drift kid]

I'm thinking of trying a speedway car style front swaybar with the splined tortion bar and arm style so I can get it much narrower

[johl]

there isnt anything wrong with adjustable arms, but just where they are adjusted. there is no benefit of adjusting the width between the rode joint and where the sway bar mounts. a much better alternative that almost no one uses is to make them adjustable between the ball joint and where the castor rod mounts. i believe that is what they were trying to say

[Jacobxxx]

Yes it's my 86 tracker, why are you against adjustable arms jacob? And yeah I already run sigma arms shortened 10mm and I want to solve this issue with the wheels that I have

If you run adjustable LCA's it moves the swaybar mounting point with it giving you no extra clearance from your wheels.
For best clearance, try Standard LCA extended in between caster arm mount and ball joint.

[drift kid]

Yeah true, but that is basically the setup I have now, I could go a little wider but it won't give me anywhere near enough clearance for the lock I'd like

[Jacobxxx]

What size wheels are you running up front?

You could always shorten on the mount side and extend ball joint side, but there's only so far you can go.
Don't run a swaybar haha

[jay70]

yeah try having a go with swaybar disconnected, or maybe try ke70 one? comes nowhere near hitting on mine

[drift kid]

Running 15x10 -12 superlights
I could probably try a ke70 swaybar and yeah I have contemplated running no bar but the positives seem to outweigh the negatives

[Jacobxxx]

10" is your issue, run 15x8 -4 superlite and you get 17mm more inner clearance but your outside position is 33mm further in, run 30mm bolt and boom 2" more clearance

[lolwat]

Running 15x10 -12 superlights
I could probably try a ke70 swaybar and yeah I have contemplated running no bar but the positives seem to outweigh the negatives

ill talk to you about this tomorrow

[jay70]

dang, should really just ditch the 10s. they don't even look good anyway?

[drift kid]

Nah like I said, I love my 10's and they wont be going, just thought others may have dealt with this issue before

[meadan]

If the ke70 one doesnt work out, I would just look at getting a custom swaybar made up.

We got some done for some landcruisers about 2 years ago and they didnt cost much more than a whiteline one. You give them the measurements and they will bend one up exactly to your specs..Cant remember the name of the mob, but I know theyre in Sydney somewhere....

Other than that, it might feel fine to drive without a front swaybar, seeing the car is only for skids. You might need to remove or adjust the rear one to get the balance right, it all depends on how you drive and what feels good to you.

[drift kid]

Yeah that's another option that I'm looking at, probably the most cost effective solution, I'd love to take the bars out and run it like that etc too just to feel it out and see what is does differently

[drift kid]

Okay so my setup is now this
Front:
-removed swaybar
-sigma lca's (shortened 10mm)
-ae86 struts w/ HSD coil conv w/ae92 length inserts and 7kg/mm springs
-t3 cambertops & uppder hat system
-knuckles cut and corrected (about 50mm shorter)
-40mm rca's
- stock caster arm's wound all the way forwars.
-camber set at -4*
-toe set at as close to zero as possible by eye but possibly up to -1*

Rear:
-GAZ comp coilovers w/ 6kg/mm springs
-stock swaybar
-equal length upper/lower trailing arms
-panhard shortened
-all new urethane bushes

This setup feels absolutely amazing and could not recommended a setup like this more, definately very oversteerish but it isn't ridiculous and annoying, had a blast with how it felt.

[Jacobxxx]

Notice much difference between no swagbar?

[drift kid]

Yeah I'd say that is where the oversteerish tendancy is coming from, and I'd say that a stiffer rear bar would make it more so