CA18DET into AE/KE ENGINEERING PROCESS

[kickit]

gues u could say im stuck between a hard place and a rock
ive found a cheap ca18det package but dont want all the hasles from cops
so im thinkin engineer it
i would like a 4age but this offer is to good to refuse

just wondering if anyone has got their ae71 or ae86 engineered with a ca18det
if anyone has lead me in the right direction please

what was needed to be done to pass for a engineers cert.

i have an ae71 incase you wonder
im in vic but any info would help

cheers

[haveaparty]

i would call ur rta, vicroads or wat ever its called down there, and the person u talk wen they tell u how its done get there name and wat department there from, even record the conversation if u can so wen u go to register it and the other person says uve done it wrong uve got the proof that the person u spoke to in the first place told u to do it the way u did. cause there seems to be alot of confusion about the correct way to do shit, specially on the rta side, not two people can tell u the same answer.

[Skylar]

Yeah, call RTA or an engineer guy.

I got told:
crack test the welds on the F-series diff (but not on the tailshaft which was made by the same guy)
lift the car up/maybe too stiff/ roll centres too high(hah, he doesn't care about this for engineering, we just started talking about cornering performance)
weigh bridge it
emissions test
working speedo, tach, gauges, whatnot.
noise test
general tidiness, everything working and operational.

He was happy with the kaizen garage mount kit.

[worked]

your in perth aren't you skylar?
who is the bloke you took yours too?
gunna need to engineer an sr ke70 soon, similar thing (f series, sr20 obviously, rb20/30 box)
did you engineer it with coilovers?

[kickit]

cheers guys

guess u gotta start somewhere ay
next ill have to call up vicroads and see what they say
i suppose every state most likely has different rules

[OMG866]

dude i currnetly have a engineered ae86 ca18det. just make sure the conversion is done properly. its safe and clean. upgrade your brake to compinsate for the power upgrade and you should be right.

goodluck

[Skylar]

kickit, do you guys have some sorta "Pre-modification approval"? We're meant to fill one out before we start modifying the car so that we know everything we want to do is legal, but most of us just do it, get stickered, then take it to engineer then fill out them forms.

Also, I forgot to add, I have AE86 vented brakes on front with S13 discs and calipers on rear. Engineer said that's fine and told me NOT to put the FC brakes on. He was even happy with the caliper mounts I drew up myself and had watercut.

worked, I took the car to Southam Engineering in Willeton (I think, it's just off high road near leach highway), same guy Todd took his KE70 to get 4A-GZE done. I don't have coilovers. Neither did Todd's car.

[kickit]

im not 100% sure yet
but i remembering asking a bloke a while ago
and he said vic roads have a list of engineers they can give you (im not sure yet if its your choice who you go to)
i dont think theres any pre modification forms correct me if im wrong

plans are to use s13 ca18det front brakes coilovers ect.
will that be enough is the question
or will i need to upgrade the rear end aswell

[Skylar]

Todd got told to put disc brakes on the rear so he put a T-series disc brake rear in his car. I had stock (tarago) drums but I put S13 stuff on just so it was "disc-braked" and I couldn't be bothered finding a tarago handbrake cable.

There's a page on our equivalent of RTA which lists all the approved auto engineers. You pick whoever you want, ring around for a quote in getting the car done.

[kickit]

hey 'OMG866' where did your gearstick come out in the tunnel
did u have to cut some of the floor bracing that runs across the car
or is that only done in ke70 and ae71
cheers

[Skylar]

Depends on the mount kit. With Kaizen garage kit and RB20 trans, you don't have to cut it but you only just miss it.

[kickit]

ah k
do you rekon home made mounts will pass engineering
im finding it hard to decide wheather i should go out and purchase rb20 box
just to avoid all the cutting wat do you guys recomend?

wat do i need with an rb box on a ca
is it just ca bellhousing,and rb clutch, flywheel ect,
or is there abit more to it

[haveaparty]

Pretty sure rb bell may bolt up to a ca. If not then the ca bell will bolt to rb box. My sil80 was ca with rb box and looked factory.

[kickit]

could u tell me if u were able to run the standard tailshaft in ur sil80
or was a custom one made

[Skylar]

Rb block pattern /= ca block pattern at all

I totally doubt your sil80 had ca front/rb trans. It's 5 cm shorter than plain ca trans. Surely you'd notice that?

In case of sil80 I think you can run skyline tailshaft, well it's usually r32 crossmember, trans, trans member and tailshaft.

As for corolla, it's ca front housing, rb20/30/25de trans, ca flywheel, ca clutch.

[kickit]

so if i want a ca eng with rb20 gearbox
i can use all my existing ca clutch gear
meaning i wont have to upgrade to rb20
clutch gear

[haveaparty]

My sil80 was how I brought it. Back like 4 years wen I didnt know anything about cars hahah. So I couldnt tell u wat tail shaft or clutch to use. I'm sure if u google the specs of all the different components ull see if they are the same numbers.

[foamy]

So some guys here have got away with using stock AE86 JDM brakes up front? I was advised against it from my local engineer..(then again I think this meant more paperwork for him).

[kickit]

does that mean they have to give paper work for brakes aswell
guess it is a modification

[foamy]

They aren't a factory option so I guess they would. Then again the KE70 and AE86 share the same floorpan. I'll find out on Friday and post the results here.

[haveaparty]

Technically u need mod papers and plates for anything that is no longer factory. Whether it's brakes, seats, exhaust, intercoolers, oil coolers, fuel setup. Wat ever it is that didn't roll out of the factory it needs to be engineered. If u google the mod codes the list is huge.

[Skylar]

Yeah, my engineer told me to leave vented AE86 brakes on and to not upgrade. Probably because he knows it works and isn't some junk bracket that some guy had made.

Hah, love the east coast. WTF is a mod plate? do whatever you like to car, just never get pulled over and no one will care.

[haveaparty]

Haha. Yeah. Cops in qld are shit lol. Get ya for anything lol. Wen I got defected in the sil. they hit me for having my grille zip tied in. I was like WTF. And I got like 7 defects that time haha. Over here we got the green coloured hwy patrol cars which go around deffecting ppl. that's there sole purpose. Is bullshit lol

[Skylar]

Wicked thing here is you just get a sticker on the car, no fine. Just a list of thing the cops *think* is wrong with the car.

I got pulled over by a highway patrol car in a ke70 with a bigport swap that was less than legal height with a bunch of not working shit. I was like, game over. They checked a lot of stuff and they talked to me about it and then let me go. The trick is to not clean anything while you're doing the engine swap so it looks like it's been there its whole life. Hah.

[haveaparty]

Hahaha. Over here if u get defected and it's classed as a 'major defect' u gotta go to the rta for a full inspection, if something is dirty and greasy they assume it's fucked and u need to replace it. Worst thing is wen u do go through the pits at the cops request they check the whole car not just wat u got Defected on and anything they find wrong needs to be fixed by a curtain date and u need to go back through agen or get a rwc done on it. And every time u go through the rta inspection it cost U moni which I think is bull shit haha

[kickit]

may i ask wat u got engineered

[Skylar]

1.CA18det swap
2.front mount 450x300x75
3.gearbox - not a prob as it's stock (I guess this means you can do cut and shut gearboxes and still be legal as long as engineer is happy?)
4.gearbox crossmember(bunch of metal welded together)
5.speedo "+10% to -0%" out
6.F-series diff swap
7.modified suspension
8.brakes vented ae86 front/s13 rear
9.hand brake (s13 calipers, runs s13 cables)
10. wheels/tyres
11.exhaust
12. any other test or report engineer feel like writing.

[kickit]

wat do you guys recomend
do a ca18det conversion (as proper as possible no shortcuts well not big dodgy ones anyway)
wait for defect and then get it engineered
or just get a 4age and slap it in

or does getting a defect make it harder to get a engineer cert

but like ive said ive been given a offer to good to refuse on ca18det package
pluse easier to get power out of

just seeing what peoples thoughts are

[haveaparty]

Don't wait to get defected. The fines would be huge and possible license suspension cause there really cracking down on that sort of shit. And depends where ur from they could impound ur car and hav to pay more fees to get it back.

[foamy]

Don't forget insurance.
If they find out it wasn't legally engineered they will not cover you in the event of an accident. That's what worries me, and that's why mine will be engineered.
I ended up deciding on S13 brakes, much easier to get parts then waiting for somebody to crash their ae86, not to mention the suspension benefits, camber etc etc.

[kickit]

yer true
i think i might just take it slow and steady and make sure i do everything properly
besides i hate doing shit the easy way
when theres a always a proper way

foamy what car are you building or is it top secret :P

[foamy]

Not top secret :) I need to get a few more photos before I put up a build thread. It's a KE70, CA18DET, S13 brakes, etc etc.

[rthy]

fyi, having it engineered doesn't mean its rwc...

[kickit]

yer definatly as theres always something to get defected for (if thats wat u mean)
but im thinkin more along the lines of just the engine itself
like if u get defected it would help not having to pull the engine out

and they might not be as piky if u have certificates i guess

[cpmgnt]

they tried to defect my mates s2 rx7 cos its got the newer motor and everything but all the cop had seen to start of with was his cooler and said to my mate that hes gonna get get a defect and started looking over the car so my mate handed him the engineering papers and they were like oh and cracked the shits cos they couldnt defect him and walked off and didnt look any more

[kickit]

thats wat i was thinkin if you have cert's for mods they might not bother wasting their time

[killabeez_1985]

In my experience as soon as you hand over an engineers certificate they give up.. Do the right thing and get it all passed. Engineers can almost pass anything as long as they believe its safe.

[kickit]

true if they want to be real dicks they will
but might be a waste of time for em if its ngineered