what would you do ?

[choonga]

Hello, i'm about year or so i plan to buy a ae86, i was wondering what you guys/girls thought will be a better option -

buy a aus spec one, fit, LSD, 4agze, coilovers front, TRD shocks and springs rear. (cost for these parts ?? around 5 grand right??)

or import a jap one with a 4agze in it already?

i'm not sure what to get, but there the main plans for the car, as it will be street/ track car, maily track though.

If i buy a aus sprinter and fit a 4agze, would i still be able to register it ?
I heard that you need to fit a better gear box for the 4agze, what would be good? cost?

also, how much are Sigma control arms and Corona tie rods and K-mac sway bars ?

Thanks, any help/advice on any of the above will be great
Thanks again,
Benny http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[.wolfwood]

dont need to get new gear box and yes it can stll be registered, jsut need mod plate

[Monster]

I guess if you go ADM, at least you know you built it, know exactly whats been done, and how to fix it.

[choonga]

Thanks for the replays so far http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

keep em coming http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[RobertoX]

some searching wouldnt go astray but...

if it is a track car u can go all out...

but since you are asking these questions ill assume u are not hugely mechanically able

bank on 4000 for a 4agze swap (motor, wiring, exhaust) etc etc
2500 for suspension - coilovers adjustable bits, bushes etc swaybars bracing
1500 for lsd cw+p and housing
1000 for rims and some tyres (u will need some spare rims also)
then you might want a body kit or a seat... and it keeps going up from there

still interested????

[choonga]

" bank on 4000 for a 4agze swap "

Is that paying someone else to do it ??

How much would the 4agze cost with all the gear to run ??

how much does a 4age 16v cost ??

and how much would just the bottom end of a 4agze cost ??

thanks for your help http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

*edit*
fixed it up for u

[taitran]

Well first of all the JDM dont come out already with a 4aGZE.

A 4agze can vary from around 1k-2kdepending on model, km's etc.
and a 4age 16v, depending on model, can be as cheap as $400.

The real cost is turning a FWD engine to a RWD eg, clutch/flywheel, water piping, intercooling, manifolds, fuel lines etc.
I belive 4k is for a backyarder conversion, as a Workshop would normally charge far more than that.

I would recomend for you to purchase a ADM car with a 4aGZE already installed, as guesswork really adds up. Ive seen 4agze ADM Sprinter go for around 6k

[sic86]

The JDM ones came out with the 16v 4age not a 4agze (although it is a easy swap). Japs drive their cars hard so if you got a jdm one with all those goodies you could probably expect it to be thrashed.

Cheers

[choonga]

taitran
Posted: Oct 15 2005, 09:13 PMÂÂÂ#ÂÂÂ#

I would recomend for you to purchase a ADM car with a 4aGZE already installed, as guesswork really adds up. Ive seen 4agze ADM Sprinter go for around 6k[/b]


Where would i get one of these? like would i have to get it imported? or are there lots in aus already ?
what does ADM stand for ? australian delivered motors maybe? i took a guess..

Thanks for you help people http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

A 4agze ADM Sprinter sounds like the go for me http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

Thanks again http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[dori_86]

JDM = Japanese Domestic Market = imports/4AGE/ land of the rising sun
ADM = Australian Domestic Market = crappy 4ac/ land of the rising petrol?

[ae86]

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i guess it depends on how much work you want to put into the car...

[choonga]

Ok cool, thanks for your help people http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

I think i should be ok now.

thanks

[Iain]

Just so its clear ADM is Australian designed and manufactured where as
JDM is Japanese designed and manufactured.


If its to be used mainly for the track your best getting the Aust model solely because a Jap import would be to good to trash on track use.

But if you want this is a site where you can look into cost of importing a Jap spec AE86 WWW.J-SPEC IMPORTS.COM

I guess my only Question is why not just turbo the AGE

Best of luck DREW http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[funkymonkey]

http://www.j-spec.com.au actually

http://www.j-specimports.com is the beta testing site, so it dosen't work 100%. it will soon though.

[sic86]

Originally posted by dori_86@Oct 16 2005, 01:46 AM
JDM = Japanese Domestic Market = imports/4AGE/ land of the rising sun
ADM = Australian Domestic Market = crappy 4ac/ land of the rising petrol?
lol http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

Cheers

[crazy86]

Originally posted by lewis73@Oct 16 2005, 02:09 PM
Just so its clearÂÂÂ# ADM is Australian designed and manufactured where as
ÂÂÂ# ÂÂÂ# ÂÂÂ# ÂÂÂ# ÂÂÂ# ÂÂÂ# ÂÂÂ# ÂÂÂ# ÂÂÂ# ÂÂÂ# ÂÂÂ# ÂÂÂ# JDM is Japanese designed and manufactured.
No, its Australian Domestic Market and Japanese Domestic Market. You can even buy USDM, UKDM and EUDM, and all these cars (we ARE talking about the 86) are designed in Japan. These titles are designed to differentiate between variations in the same model.
EG USDM is built LHD, and is designed to meet US build, safety and emmission standards.
This also has no relationship to the country of manufacture, as some ADM cars (not specifically the 86) were actually constructed in Japan, or Germany, or even South Africa, but were built to meet Australian design rules etc, and "Fully Imported". This used to be the selling point of may luxury cars, but now it also relates to other common vehicles, like the European built Holden Barina. This is not the same as "Private or "Grey" Imports, which is a different thing all together.

[RobertoX]

I think if you do the sums the cheapest option in the long run is to find an ADM car that has had all that stuff done to it...

Find a clean sprinter with 4age/gze, coilovers, LSD...

This might be around 10k, going by whats been selling recently... they come up semi regularly on Toymods and on here... (dont buy a 10k 4ac dori-mobile from ebay http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif )

This'll be cheaper than an import and then adding all this gear, and it'll be cheaper than doing it yourself...

[86WANNABE]

If using it for track, you would proberly be better of with the ADM as it has double chasis rails. If I remeber correctly over the JDM which is why the ADM is 960kg over the JDM 930kg, so a bit stronger just in case you bash it.

Would also go the ADM because the added benifit is, that you build it you can fix it.

I'm currenlt building a drift spec one now and have priced parts and a bit of labour as the rest I'm doing myself. Cost $10000 http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ohmy.gif without paint and a few other cosmetic trims but that all running gear in and tuned.

Keep the questions coming if you have any as you have nothing to lose from asking and all the knowledge in the world to gain. I'm sure that everyone he is more that happy to help.

Good luck with your project to be, and hope you able to figure it all out.

[RobertoX]

^^^ wtf?

it is to do with the doors mostly the weight differnce

but then jap diffs weight more...so not a lot in it

[slide86]

yeah its just the intrusion bars and stuff isnt it

[mattysshop]

i would so get a JDM 86..you can use the stock fuel pump/lines with a GZE conversion, as it is all efi from the factory, you have better brakes/calipers than the ADM..and you get a factory T series rear end most likley with rear disc brakes, which is stronger than the ADM S series, some JDM ones even have factory LSD's.. the JDM ones always look better than aussie ones too...better looking bumpers, and grills.. better interior.. and you can get them pretty easy for around the 10G mark.. you don't have to go and straight away put a 4AGZE in it..learn the car with a 4AGE in it..it's at its best then http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif most imported ones already have aftermarket LSD, coilovers, rollcage..shit like that already..aussie ones you pay through the arse for..i'd hate to say it..a RWD corolla..slow, and looks kinda daggy..

Matty

[eastcoastdrifter]

Ive got the same problem If I get this job next week most likely i will What My paychecks will be going into my Levin fund I was wondering would it be cheaper just buying a OzSpec Sprinter and putting a the 4ag myself among other things (Im not just a Fan Boy You know lol) or just import one?

[mattysshop]

realistic..ausse 86..worth between 2500-4000..4age 88kw AE82 half cut..$1100 or so..for ?? km's use..fuel pump/lines setup $300-$350..RWD extractors..second hand you can get them four $150-200, but you need to do a full exhuast (or might as well at least) extra $200 for a shitty mig bandit pressbent system..T series rear end and tailshaft..about $120..wiring $300-$350..and at the end of the day you still have the stock non vented brakes, crappy interior colour scheme, shit seats, gay steerting wheel, stocko 13's and it still looks like a riced up aussie sprinter.. save/borrow a little more and get a JDM one..you won't be sorry!

[eastcoastdrifter]

your detailed response is was well taken and informative jspec Sprinter it is thank good for government work hehehehe . who do you recommand for importing 1?

[sic86]

One good thing about the jdm is that it would have the fuel injected fuel tanks.

Cheers

[86WANNABE]

One thing I did forget to mention was, that I look into importing in the first place.Found out though researching that most JDM ones that are imported have already had condiserable track time and been pushed. Decided agianst it and opted for the ADM.

I have recently picked 2 up at quiet resonable prices. One running and licenced with 4AC and one running unlicenced with 4AC. Both had striaght chasis, one a little bit more rust that the other.Both had faded paint and a few chips of paint missing. Each one was under $2000 (we wont say exact numbers).

So I stick with my orginal answer, go with the ADM and build it http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[mattysshop]

chassis can be straightened and engines can be replaced..you still have the best AE86 platform to work off..uncomplied you can get them landed here for 6 grand or so..a couple of G into some side impact bars, new seatbelts, tyres if needed..and compliance here we come..

[verm69]

i'm with matty... I'd go the jdm for sure! Much better rear axel, factory 4age, efi tank, maybe a factory lsd, pop up lights (if you get one with them...) that and you get much more street cred... that sounded gay... much more respect

besides, if you know thats it's had track time you know it's reliable!

[86WANNABE]

Originally posted by VeRm69@Oct 18 2005, 08:53 AM
i'm with matty... I'd go the jdm for sure! Much better rear axel, factory 4age, efi tank, maybe a factory lsd, pop up lights (if you get one with them...) that and you get much more street cred... that sounded gay... much more respect

besides, if you know thats it's had track time you know it's reliable!
Buy a trueno front end, there not that expensive.

Reliability is questionable as to how long before you have to replace something as to how hard its been hitting the track.

$6G would get you something out of Japan and that would still need work

LSD was optional on JDM 86 not standed.

[crazy86]

Originally posted by VeRm69@Oct 18 2005, 08:53 AM
besides, if you know thats it's had track time you know it's reliable!
Hehe, Ive seen a few JDM "track" cars, with there "Jap spec" dorifto modifications http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif and I wouldnt classify them as "reliable". They are like any other car from any other country, you just have to shop wisely.

[tipper86]

where are you located by the way?

Im selling my sprinter in december for $10,000 no rego

Body
3months old, has not seen been out the garage as yet - fresh respray in standox blood orange with house of kolor purple ice pearl (looks like glitter and the colour of the car changes from light orange/red to a sparkly pink.
Rust has been professionally removed and rewelded
Inside of the car has been
New Toyota parkers
Real boot lock and wiper has been shaved (rewelded) and antenna has been shaved as well
Stock bumpers have been resprayed in black with orange tops (similar to panda scheme) also covered in the same ice pearl
Carbon OEM bonnet

Engine running gear
Its a 4agte converted 4agze, bottom end rebuilt with new bearings and rings (balanced, new gaskets etc etc) Head is port matched
t3 high flow from a rb25 series 2 running VG30 exhaust housing 49mm inducer side, seen these turbos go 215-220rwkw on 15psi on a rb25 with basic mods - braided oil and water lines
Turbonetics External wastegate with stainless screamer
High mount manifold with a collector
Brass button clutch
T18 rear end with a locked diff
3" exhaust from turbo back into 3" straight through stainless cannon muffler
1.5L surge tank with all new 3/8 fuel lines, with VL turbo fuel pump and carter lift pump
Turbo smart boost controller
K&N M's air filter
HKS spark plugs
Hybrid 450x300x75 intercooler with alloy pipes
Oddysee dry cell battery
CA18 turbo radiator with davies craig 12" fan
Greddy style oil catch can

Motor has fresh motul oils

Interior
Sparco steering wheel
Razo Pedals
Safety 21 half cage
Greddy SH gear knob
Silver Autometer gauges pro comp, 2" - AF ratio, Boost, oil pressure
2x Cobra trophy blue fixed back bucket seats
Alarm
Interior is currently stripped, but will come with rear seats and plastics

Wheels/suspension
Buddy club P1 white 15x7 +26 wheels all around with new 205/50 tyres
Car has rear strut brace similar to A-spec ones
Has chopped springs at the momment, but can come with some TRD copy springs

Im located in brisbane, you can come check out the car, it has been a project of mine for the past year. I have spent about 9k on it + the original purchase of the car which was 4k. Car has not seen the road as it still needs a few small things to be done and the turbo bolted back on

[sic86]

Do you have any pictures?

Cheers

[tipper86]

Have pictures but am having a problem with my computer in transfering pictures from the phone http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif. Only pictures I have are of the build up from stock to where it is now, just needs basic tidying up and would take most a weekend.

Its in brisbane so anyone is free to check it out

[Steve-AE86]

buy a JDM one.

i've got a JDM one, and an ADM one, and the jap one is a better car by far. not only did it come factory with 4AGE, efi tank, and pop-ups(big deal), but no one else has mentioned vented disks on the front, and disk rear.

also the interior is 100% better, having better trim to start off with, not crappy cloth trim on the doors, but a nicer door trim with a better feel to it. the dashes in jap ones are barely ever cracked, and just try to find an aussie one without a cracked dash... then there's the seats. bolster adjustment, and overall more comfy.

the glass throughout the car is also bronze tinted in japan, as opposed to green tint in our glass, which makes it more comfortable in the sun.

as far as diffs go, sure LSD was optional on JDM ae86's, but at least you can get an LSD to fit in the housing....T-series buddy! anyway, how many importers do you know that would import one without LSD? uh huh...that's right...not many. who would buy it? mmm...

also the 'fruit' that comes with the JDM cars is almost always there, ie coilovers, decent sus in the rear, decent exhaust, air filter, LSD, and wheels.... it's all cash you'd have to spend on an ADM car.

there's a lot of rubbish that the keyboard warriors out there spread, like JDM boxes having bigger bearings, and different ratio's....hogwash. it's a bellhousing, that's all... also stuff like thicker chassis rails....best one i've heard yet. and having cut chassis rails out of wrecked ADM cars to use on forklifted JDM cars, i can tell you - they're the same.

the only body differences between J and A are child restraints, and intrusion beams in the doors. also rear seatbelts in jap car's are lap sash, and aussie ones are over the shoulder type, having an extra captive nut in the C-pillar.

and finally, how do you people know that jap drivers drive harder than aussie ones? you've been there i take it, and seen it have you? mkay...

buy a jap ae86. it cost me less to build than my aussie car has, and they're both blacktop 20v powered, and lsd, and coilover, and all the crap... experience here, not keyboard drifting.

[Steve-AE86]

ps, sorry for the essay http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

[mattysshop]

i mentioned the vented discs, and calipers to suite in my thread..for the money you can get a JDM for..i wouldn't even think about an ADM..

also i have noticed every JDM 86 i have been in seen etc, has a steel accelerator pedal..

[eastcoastdrifter]

ok i will get a JDM it is then it will have to wait till early next year but...

[crazy86]

Gotta love the all black interior, not those pooey brown and powder blue colours the ADM ones came in.

[RobertoX]

jdm accelartor pedal are metal, and they are MUCH closer tho the brake pedal than aus, i noticed this and used some money a wrecking yard in NZ owed me and got one...

[eastcoastdrifter]

wouldnt this be a problem if you have big feet? (dumb question but (owell)

[RobertoX]

wtf? are u joking?

with the pedal moved more to the left, then there is more room to the right, so u can use your toes, so it would matter if your foot was fatter than frankenstiens

[mattysshop]

baaaaahahahahahaha fatter than frankenstiens...it's so easy to heal toe in them!!

[jnr 13b]

hi mate
i thought you might be interested in my 2 cents worth.
sorry but i didn't get a change to read all of this post.
so if i repeat anything please forgive me

you'll spent more that $5G on the car if you buy an auspec car.

do up a list for it.
here I'll start one for you.

* 4AGZE $600-$800(depend on condiction)
* Front mount(cheap) $300-$500.
* piping for it ?????not a clue
you might have to replace engien mount
* TRD engine Mount $100-$150
* Stock ECU and loom $200-$300
* Fuel pump and line $200
* Surge tank $don't know
* TRD adjustable shock and springs $1500
* camber top and RCA $500
* T1 8 rear end and tail shaft ( if you can find one) $200-$300
* TRD, Cusco or Kaaz 2way LSD centre $1000-$1400.
* TA22 pinion and crown gear for 4.1:1 ratio $100-$200.
you than have to place bush for the on the rear end. or it can give you axles tramp
or you might want adjustable trailing arms and pan hard rod.
* T3 trailing and pan hard rod $1000.
* Or whiteline stuff $700( not as good as the T3 stuff)
* Strut brace front and back $250-$600( depending on brand)

plus also allow for when shit go wrong.

I'm pretty sure there is more to add to this list.

all this is not including labours. ask most Hachi Roku owner they do it them self.
allow for about 30-60hours


but once you finish with the car. it'll shit on a JDM AE86.

[RobertoX]

^^ find me a 4agze for $600....they all seem to go for $1500 plus

[eastcoastdrifter]

so around 14000 will do it?

[sic86]

Originally posted by eastcoastdrifter@Oct 19 2005, 01:37 PM
wouldnt this be a problem if you have big feet? (dumb question but (owell)
Probably. Still don't know why people put sports pedals on for.

Cheers

[sic86]

Originally posted by CRAZY86@Oct 19 2005, 08:31 AM
Gotta love the all black interior, not those pooey brown and powder blue colours the ADM ones came in.
Yeah but black does show up more shit easier.

Cheers

[jnr 13b]

ok
I'm not a 4AGZE kind of guy.
never really look in to how much they cost.

[mattysshop]

JNR 13B mentioned alot of stuff you don't need..
a TRD engine mount..ha ha ha..any 4a rwd engine mount will do..
you don't need an LSD straight away..even then you can get a second hand one for about half the price..
a T-18 whole rear axle assy and tail shaft looking around $150..and celica whole rear axle assy about the same, but if you pull the center out of it, they go for around $70-80..

my mate just got this one in from Japan, from John at import bitz..landed here 6G..nothing dodgy about that..just needs to go through compliance..side impact bars, and new seat belts..mod plate for the cage..all done..

[jnr 13b]

yeah there is heaps on that list you don't need.

but if you are doing it. you might aswell do it right.


6g for that. how much is complaince and rego?
$2000 all up?

[jnr 13b]

plus yeah
you don't need LSD straight away.

I drift with a locker for a while.
just don't try to do on the spot burn out and you'll be right.

cheers.