Coilovers

[Astroboy]

After reading this post

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/in...?showtopic=2650 (http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/index.php?showtopic=2650)

it got me searching this site and a few others for some real info on what people had done to convert there ae's to coilovers .

Firstly in that post there was a mention about coilovers from Malaysia ? i remember a long time ago reading about some guy in singapore who was build coilovers for ke70's . There was a thread on toolmods but i couldn't find it !!

Anyway first after a little searching for a few pictures info etc all i came up with was the same crap over and over .

There the normal sleeve kits , aftermarket units , conversions to s13 and lots of other types of conversions . But really stuff all about rear coilover conversion .

Some that i have seen , without being on my pc with saved links

http://www.technotoytuning.com/t3_site_pag...r_coilover.html (http://www.technotoytuning.com/t3_site_pages/products/rear_coilover.html)

same as all that groundcontrol stuff , just parts added to a non coilover shock

http://www.ground-control.com/

another way which isn't a true coilover

http://www.pdm-racing.com/features/AE86_buildup.html

also more of the same

http://www.d2racingsports.com.au/

more of the same

http://www.streetlevelperformance.com/Toyo...0Coilovers.html (http://www.streetlevelperformance.com/Toyota_Ksport%20Kontrol%20Pro%20Coilovers.html)

paradise SMASH YOUR CAR doesn't fit thread on clubpoorag

http://forums.club4ag.com/link.asp?TOPIC_ID=76358

Toad toda can imagine the AUD $$$$$$$$

http://www.todaracing.com/products/toyota/..._coilovers.html (http://www.todaracing.com/products/toyota/fightex_coilovers.html)

Kai power front conversion s13 coilovers

http://homepage2.nifty.com/altezza-2000/86silasi-kit2.html

i picture link from that sr thread i posted the other day

http://www.pbase.com/ae86sr20det2005/image/38215010

more of the same stuff silk road

http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS318/Detail.bok?no=362

And lastly a big write up on sw20 and some ae86 conversions

http://www.mr2supercharger.com/coilovers.html

S2k koni coilover in the rear of a 1uz ae86

http://www.twincam.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=776

Anyone got anymore ? Or information that is helpfull or if its shit a reason why ?

NOT like that first thread where someone was bagged for pointing out some information

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/in...?showtopic=2650 (http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/index.php?showtopic=2650)

[Astroboy]

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8227/hksr32frontcoiloverinae86rear4.th.jpg (http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hksr32frontcoiloverinae86rear4.jpg)

r32 front coilovers in rear of a ae86

[Astroboy]

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/365/ae86rearcoilover1pz.th.jpg (http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ae86rearcoilover1pz.jpg)

Now the best rear coilover i have seen yet
Not pin top mounts
Pin mount are fine for shock mounts but a pin shock is not designed for side loading forces it will break off at the pin center point .
As for locally available shocks that can be converted to coilover and you still get a warranty i called Koni & Agx suppliers . Koni will warrant 82 series being converted to coilover if they do the work . Ae86 rear shocks and most that fit in the rear are 80 series {bummer} Agx will not warrant any shock being used in a design that it was not intended . And there are no AGX for ae86 here anyway . The way the shock in that picture has been converted over to a ball joint top mount is a good idea so it doesn't get any side load forces . Wouldn't might seeing any other pictures of top mountings .

Will the body take the stress in that pin mount area ? sure its three sections thick but has anyone needed to reinforce that area ?

[Astroboy]

Ok lets look at some front units that the maker is more than happy with to comment on http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/dry.gif

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/349/sv3011658av.jpg

Ok just looking at that picture lets first run down what parts i see ! And a rough price

Well firstly

A pair of ae86 struts NOT ke70 struts with the smaller internally diameter i would hope $75

Koni coilover conversion parts , well looks like sleeve fh1020 , maybe thats a 63mm spring so spring seat fh2020 , and lock ring fh3015 and top seat fh4015 .
Well price trader might be about $180? , spotted a group buy a long time ago somewhere and was really cheap at like $150ish .

Inserts going off that list "KYB excel g or damper adjustable AGX" ok so since when did a excel have a front spring rate of more than 2.5kg ? even add maybe another 30% if its running maybe some kings lowering springs . So AGX , no OEM KYB ae86 aftermarket shock are avaiable or is going to have a compression and rebound rate close for a high spring rate . Or are any with a short stroke ? maybe the insert is a st205 , sw20 rear , st185 gt4 or whatever paul has in stock atm . $300-$350 maybe for shocks .

Springs TRD ? pinks no such spring , who makes pink springs STI . Do there make 60-65mm coilover diameter NO . So i am guessing that maybe there local ? Browns in melbourne ? Aurora spring works in South Australia ? 6kg at what length ? normal 250mm 280mm ? or 200mm with a spacers spring or tender spring ? nah it looks about 200mm but how does a 200mm spring not bind with about 160-180mm of travel ! i guess it doesn't http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/huh.gif Well browns are about $80 a pair of springs , kings $120-$155 .

Camber tops , well with the spring seat not being spacered down any really camber adjustment will result in the spring mount touching the camber plate . Also you need a tappered spacer to correctly load the top mount pillow bearing . Cuscos knock if the spacing torque is not 100% t3 are a good mount both are about $220-$250 .

So theres some cutting and welding http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif what engineer carried out the metal work to not weaken the strut body ? TP charge about $100-$150 but never cut a strut they always rethread it .

So really depending on what way you go and if the parts are brought in large quanitys ,retail,trade,wholesale? it might cost you $750+ . Well you get what you pay for http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif And you still have the stock crappy brakes http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif

[xolent]

The basis of my coilover conversion was from clubpoorAG's-->

http://club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_pages/...0Conversion.htm (http://club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_pages/Short%20Stroke%20Conversion.htm)

Just a guideline.

[Joel-AE86]

I run S13 coilovers in my hachi.

Sure it aint toyota...

but I get:

mad brakes
solid wheel bearings that dont f*** out every 10k kms
mass amounts of lock
my previous wheels now stick out 20mm further (better offset hub)
some well matched shocks and springs

all for a similar price as AE86 stuff.

But yeh, my main focus is drift and care fairly little about AE86 purism.

[xsoarerx]

^^^^^^

whats the specs on your set up and what was the cost?

ive been thinking of getting some 2nd hand s13 with brake set up's for the front and working out something for the rear?

i know the suspension bolts stright in, but do you have to get other stuff, like different lower control arms? steering arms? or can you jsut bolt stright in with that too?

[Stomp86]

hey joel im in the midst of doing this conversion....

just one question that i have for u...

did u have ur lower arms cut and shut or just used s13 ones as they were...

i lined em up next to each other and the s13 ones are like an inch longer which i figure doesent matter all that much as the adj camber tops can fix that but what about rubbing on the inside of the chasis?

if you could throw some help this way it would be muchly appreciated

as i am also not a purist and only use a great base to only make it better...its like lego..whatever fits goes http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

so a 13bt is going in soon hopefully... and then i start breaking diffs http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

thanx

Adam

[mc68]

the only thing keeping me from going the s13 route is that all the conversions ive seen, the LCA has to be cut and shut to fit...if someone could make a half decent looking one (dont care about legalities) id do it, but otherwise it really does look dodgy

[RobertoX]

Originally posted by Astroboy@Jan 23 2006, 09:11 PM
Ok lets look at some front units that the maker is more than happy with to comment on http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/dry.gif

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/349/sv3011658av.jpg

Ok just looking at that picture lets first run down what parts i see ! And a rough price

Well firstly

A pair of ae86 struts NOT ke70 struts with the smaller internally diameter i would hope $75

Koni coilover conversion parts , well looks like sleeve fh1020 , maybe thats a 63mm spring so spring seat fh2020 , and lock ring fh3015 and top seat fh4015 .
Well price trader might be about $180? , spotted a group buy a long time ago somewhere and was really cheap at like $150ish .

Inserts going off that list "KYB excel g or damper adjustable AGX" ok so since when did a excel have a front spring rate of more than 2.5kg ? even add maybe another 30% if its running maybe some kings lowering springs . So AGX , no OEM KYB ae86 aftermarket shock are avaiable or is going to have a compression and rebound rate close for a high spring rate . Or are any with a short stroke ? maybe the insert is a st205 , sw20 rear , st185 gt4 or whatever paul has in stock atm . $300-$350 maybe for shocks .

Springs TRD ? pinks no such spring , who makes pink springs STI . Do there make 60-65mm coilover diameter NO . So i am guessing that maybe there local ? Browns in melbourne ? Aurora spring works in South Australia ? 6kg at what length ? normal 250mm 280mm ? or 200mm with a spacers spring or tender spring ? nah it looks about 200mm but how does a 200mm spring not bind with about 160-180mm of travel ! i guess it doesn't http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/huh.gif Well browns are about $80 a pair of springs , kings $120-$155 .

Camber tops , well with the spring seat not being spacered down any really camber adjustment will result in the spring mount touching the camber plate . Also you need a tappered spacer to correctly load the top mount pillow bearing . Cuscos knock if the spacing torque is not 100% t3 are a good mount both are about $220-$250 .

So theres some cutting and welding http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif what engineer carried out the metal work to not weaken the strut body ? TP charge about $100-$150 but never cut a strut they always rethread it .

So really depending on what way you go and if the parts are brought in large quanitys ,retail,trade,wholesale? it might cost you $750+ . Well you get what you pay for http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif And you still have the stock crappy brakes http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif
you sound a bit like adam - improvedae86,

well...i dont understand the need for aguments....

ae86 struts run the larger diameter shock, and i have seen them sell for $150pr

excel g is a model of shock, not an hyundai excel shock, they run a sealed front strut

who is paul? you mean from NGK?.... $340 pr? lucky u know him on a first name basis!

when did i say they were TRD, they are my own specs, they are 65mm fyi...

you can get cusco top hats for $220pr? ill order some then...pm me your bank details along with your personal details as requested

cutting and welding yep... that is all done by steve at a spec, havent had any issues yet...

i never said mine were the best they are built the same as club4ag and t3, units, obviously with a few different parts...

crappy stock brakes? jack cuu does sprints at QR he still has 'stock' brakes.. he hasnt reported fade...but yeah...



MC68 - steve from a-spec does good ae86/s13 lcas pm him

i could have a rear coilover made, but i want to do more research...

the issue with D2 coilovers was posted on this site, something about the damper adjuster being just a clicker

marky marks d2s bent in his car after 3 months of track only driving....

it looks to me you have run a search, done some copying and pasting etc

like i said my coilovers work, they are available relatively quickly, and are reasonably priced...

if you want to talk about this any further reply to my pm, i wont be replying in this thread again unless absolutely necessary......

what suspension do you run in your car?

all good?

[Astroboy]

trunosedan thanks for the reply good how you will finally leave someone thread alone now . Nice how you didn't answer about the springs binding but hey...
And please don't pm me as it is a waste of my inbox http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif "if you want to talk about this any further reply to my pm, i wont be replying in this thread again unless absolutely necessary......" NO pm just get lost . I don't know who this person you think i am is but the name rings a bell.

"cutting and welding yep... that is all done by steve at a spec, havent had any issues yet" yes mc68 i am sure thats not going to be engineered for the road !as no cutting of and rewelding of any suspension part is legal . And now also if you get your car log booked by CAMS and that item fails you are liable http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/7/5/4/536981.jpg But don't worry i spoke to a guy who was at the last oran park drift night who has a white gze there {only sprinter there i think}. He had his suspension build by a guy in melbourne who made the s13 suspension fit with normal coils and non welded lca . He is going to ask him what lca he used for that conversion as it gives 2.5-3.5 camber with a normal strut top as well .

Still anyone got any more pictures of rear ones ? we really haven't got much info on the rear yet ?

Yeah joel good to see wheel bearings are issue to that your conversion has fixed

[Joel-AE86]

S13 lower control arms are far too long to use in an AE86, plus the width of the bush end that bolts into crossmember is too wide.

A-Spec Steve has fabricated so many S13 to AE86 control arms and has never had an issue. Crab and myself have been using em for over a year now. CAMs have no issue with fabricated bits, no more than someone's custom made trailing arms for example.

I have never used any form of RCA's in my setup and admittedly I do get a bit of bump steer. To correct this, what I am in the process of doing is redrilling my crossmember so that the lower control arm bolts about 30mm higher than standard. Thus correcting the angle of the lower control arm and correcting bump steer.

To fit S13 you need:

AE86 camber tops (unless you want to redrill your strut tops to fit S13)
Some form of shortened lower control arm (speak to Steve at A-spec)
Longer tie rod ends (I use RA40 corona)
And of course the S13 struts, steeting arms and brakes

It will all bolt up.

My specs are:

Tein HE S13 coilovers (Height, body height and damper adjustable) with 10kg/mm Buddy Club springs
Cusco AE86 camber tops
Cut and modified rose jointed lower control arms
260mm? S13 SR Brakes with Trust pad (fukn sick!)
Standard AE86 castor rods with more thread cut for more castor
Celica RA40 tie rod ends with new ball joints
Oh an also some new rack ends that rock! (Cheers AJPS)

Regarding AE86 coilovers built here by A-Spec and AJPS, I have driven a hachi and know many hachis that have these and they work fukn wicked. And the shocks well match the springs. If I had the cash i'd love to have a well built set of AE86 coilovers, as S13 geometry isnt quite as good.

[RobertoX]

your rotors should be 280mm joel...thanks for the reply

[Astroboy]

Just got home and have a reply from the guy that made the s13 conversion for the guy in nsw . His email to me : Hope he doesn't mind me posting it http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ohmy.gif

From : Andrew <astroastro2006@hotmail.com>
Sent : Tuesday, 24 January 2006 4:01:32 PM
To : ae86sprinter2005@hotmail.com
Subject : ae86 coilovers and other suspension>coilovers?conversions

Attachment : ae86tos13suspension0005.jpg {120kb}

Hello Andrew {me astroboy}

Yeah have done that conversion you have seen and many other ae coversions thankfully you know a mate of mine because i don't bother with spooner people anymore .

As far as your question on the lower control arm here is a picture. The latest of many set of s13 front ends is a all bolt in coversion using non modified lower control arms , new one piece steel tie rods , toyota springs type's , trd to kings etc . about ten types of shock for different valving spring rates , and a modified ae86 top mount to add more caster . Also this can be made into coilovers at extra price thats why that conversion was designed . But for all this i will need wheel size thats going to be used and rim offset and your wanted track .

I am nowhere near any of the information at the moment since its all in the workshop with another conversion i am finishing . Which is mutlilink s13 suspension and will bolt into the rear of a ae86 and double wishbone front suspension with front mounted rack conversion.

I will get you more information on the weekend , sorry very busy right now , and yeah let me know what you are after , budget $ etc . I have made setups for track , drift and street , suspension conversion to all levels of cost .

Chat soon

Adam

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Fcuk i cannot wait to see the s13 rear and the double wishbone front ends NUTS stuff there http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif Front mounted rack wonder whats thats for !

So it looks like you don't have to cut and weld arms MC68
also i wonder Joel if the bump steer is a result of the tie rod placement since thats the connection to the rack ? whats the angle of the tie rod joel any pics

Cannot wait for more info and here is the attached file

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[url="http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ae86tos13suspension00055qw.jpg"]http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ae...sion00055qw.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ae86tos13suspension00055qw.jpg)

[Joel-AE86]

That image just shows an S13 lower control arm fitted into an AE86.

These can be fitted no worries...but they are simply too long and plus the offset of the hub is further out then an AE86. I'm gonna be running 15x8" 0 offset wheels on the front with my setup and with approx stock length lower control arms and S13 struts, plus 35mm or so wider guards, these wheels will just fit under the guards. If I had S13 LCA's i'd have too much track and camber.

As for tie rod angles, when you lower your car, this angle will change. With S13 suspension, by redrilling the crossmember, the angle of the tie rod in relation to the steering rack remains the same, however the lca angle is corrected closer to the stock angle. Bump steer is predominately attributed to the angle of LCA.

[E V A N]

I can vouch for AJPS coiloverz
there tops!

[Astroboy]

Joel look at that arm again it's not a s13 one
I first thought that but i looked closer and the steering bump stop is different to s13 ? and the caster arm mounts are not angled toward the front caster mount like a s13 ones. Plus looking at the subframe end it looks like it has been untouched . The bush size looks the same as standard .

With your next set up how short is your lower arm to fit in 15X8 zero offset ? Since the s13 hub offset is for 35+ ? won't the track be so wide that 35mm wider guard will still stick the tyres out the sides of the car still just that a s13 is way wider than a sprinter i think its 94' inch for a ae86 97" for a s13

With the old subframe trick of relocating the inner lower control arm postion higher i thought that to pivot point of the lower control arm should aways be paralel with tie rod rack inner ball joint ? And moving the axis away from that location only adds to bump steer and leads to toe in under upward movement of the atm normally on mac strut front ends . Maybe relocating the lower ball joint of the lower control arm is possable ? with another longer ball joint ? And what is the tie rod angle in relationship to the lower control arm after to relocation like any better worst ? Maybe those tie rods in the picture solve this problem !

[Stomp86]

so what lca is that? its not s13....

[Dorio86]

VISION R sell these for the rear, shock absorbers 8 step length and damper system - $550

http://www.visionr.com.au/sectionrearshocks.jpg

[Joel-AE86]

Relocating the lower control arm postition higher on the crossmember works well. The previous owner of my suspension had done this and swears it improves bump steer issues.

I've run the sus for the last year in the standard position, and admittedly above 100km/h you get a bit of bump steer.

My lcas are rose jointed and have a small amount of adjustment. At present I estimate that they are about 10mm longer than standard AE86. So with this, S13 hubs and some 15x8 0 offset wheels, the wheels fill out my 30-35mm widers guards.

I'll post up pics soon when I have my sus in and my wheels on.

[Astroboy]

What make is that rear coilover with the 8 way adjustment ? It looks like a r32 front converted with a smaller diameter bush at the diff end

Also wondering how it clears the small tower on the body since there is no spacer there ? any pictures of that fitted anyone http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

I will add to this thread at the end of the month when i will make some rear coilovers up

Keep the info coming http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

[Astroboy]

Originally posted by Just Half Steppin@Feb 2 2006, 07:42 PM
AJPS/A-SPEC Coil-overs are made to meet high quality standards, and are very reliable and reasonably priced

,.,
We have already been there man http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif If that isn't a scripted advert i don't know what is http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif Please post a picture of you front and rear COILOVERS fitted to your 86 i really want to see the fitted product http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif


http://images6.theimagehosting.com/arc.05a.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

There really could do with a mission statement like that to sell there products in Japan

[SirLyndon]

getting a little off topic, but i was wondering if anyone has used a D2 kit? im aware the rear isnt a coilover, but im just curious.. didnt think it was worth a new thread http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[Astroboy]

http://images6.theimagehosting.com/D2%20Coilover%20set%20up.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

D2 looks full coilover

Something to get you all thinking


http://images6.theimagehosting.com/eg9%20civic%20coilovers.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

Eg9 rear shocks look very close in size ?

[SirLyndon]

dont take my word on this, but i dont think d2 kit is for the 86... i'd research, but im a lazy bastard... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[roadsailing]

i wont take your word for it lazy. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

do you mean that picture? cause you can definately get D2 coilovers for the AE86.

[slydar]

the d2 kit is rubbish. the front insert is super short stroke but the body is standard lenght. pretty much youll have f*** all suspension travel. they all intend for you to just sit there threaded spring pearch ontop of the stock one. this will be fine but its a lame way to do it.

the prices you quoted seem like youre doing quite well. you should be able to do the conversion cheap than most. a GOOD exhaust should can do the cutting and welding for you. its really not very hard.

as for rears. "best" ones youre showing are revolver. ant has them in his car. youre right they kick arse.

i think its important to isolate the spring force away from the shock shaft and direct it into the body. everything else is pretty self explanitory.

[Astroboy]

revolver hey

couldn't find them listed on there site http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif

But did find this big write up

http://www.mr2supercharger.com/coilovers.html

[Vance]

i gots the rear coilovers from Fulcrum ATM, they seem okay but i havent driven on others, so its hard to tell.

i should have T3 shit all up in my rig soon so will tell ya how that goes, rear coilover and all.

anyone know bout strengthening the rear shock mount on the diff, it looks a bit on the smallish side to be supporting the whole rear of the car.

[Blown86]

Yeah you should strengthen the mount.

Photos here: http://www.billzilla.org/AE86page3.htm

[silent drifter]

this is what is in the back of my 86

[roadsailing]

they based on AGXs silent?

what model are they? or did you buy them with the spring perches already grub screwed on

[.wolfwood]

i would also like to know about those agx coilovers things

[silent drifter]

T3 rear coilovers They use a ground control sleeve/lockring etc, eibach 6kg spring, using a KYB short stroke AGX insert - 8 way adjustable. they are
good i recomend them for sure.

[SirLyndon]

Roadsailing> sorry i meant that picture, i dont think that picture is an ae86 kit..

so anyway, the conclusion is they are rubbish?? hrmm.. damn.. seemed an easy way out http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

back to the drawing board http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif *sigh*

[Astroboy]

Those agx look like a camaro model ? i think i have seen that conversion before
camaro shocks aren't imported in agx here bummer that .

Roadsailing how are you going with your front shock rates ?

Edit :

Here some misc info i have writen down

TRD Greens
Front , shock travel length 130mm , body length 375mm
Rear , shock compressed 285mm , extended 460mm
TRD Greens
Front springs , 210mm length 15mm coil diameter
Rear springs , 240mm length 14mm coil diameter

And most of you i guess are wanting to go to St204 front inserts for shock stroke conversions . As there also available in AGX

Shock extended 519mm , body 333mm , compressed length 355mm
compression .1 / 294 . 3 / 539 .6 / 785
rebound .1 / 491 . 3 /1040 .6 /1471

Bit light for high speed rates

Anyone else got any information on measurements ? valving ? at speed rates

[Astroboy]

Looks like i am all alone in this thread http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/7/5/4/536981.jpg doesn't seem to be much information coming this way http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/angry.gif Does anyone have coilovers on there 86 ?

Well i have made a start http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/dry.gif

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/555/coilovers0055yy.th.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coilovers0055yy.jpg)


http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4225/coilovers0037qe.th.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coilovers0037qe.jpg)


http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3811/coilovers0047wn.th.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coilovers0047wn.jpg)

Shocks are R33 GTS fronts koni adjustables rates are fine standard for the 8kg king spring in the picture there are 480mm eye to pin length {but way to hard for the rate i want }. That measurement is a little to long if you mount the spring perch normally with loads of rubber bushings etc so when pulling the shock apart for a revalve just space it internally. Also whilst you are at it gas filling shocks is a pain in the ass so just weld on a valve fitting to the bottom , drill though the shock body so you can regas it to your needs easy.

But if you machine the top mount for the spring to located the shaft from any non linear movement , and to carry the loading to the body not the shock you can get away with one rubber mount .

This makes the length still around 490mm to the diff eye mount . The spring holder for a 63mm spring is a WRX stainless standard part , the tubing is 304 50mm diameter 2.5mm thick , and the top mount pictures is just machined from solid tubing with a step to hold the tubing { all will be welded later } .

In the pictures its not welded just using a hose clamp at the time to check the measurement to clear the body and locate the spring length correctly . The spring length is a 280mm x 63mm this is the most common size and also you get the benefit of using there progressive rates as well . Interesting fact on the progressive rate springs is the thiner end of the spring is a outside OD of 80mm , and the normal rates are 90mm OD . This makes it easy to push the spring perch up closer to the body than in the pics { pics its 80mm away }

The lower spring perch/mount locates on the body by a C clip that is held captive by the spring threaded tube , this C clip groove is machined into the top of the standard shock . So you need to machine this where your spring length finishes, the groove is 1.990mm from the 42mm shock body . Also the bottom pin needs a bush machined to take diameter change to the smaller 86 / toyota mount .

You drifter guys might want to use the R32 front shock as its 448mm , so with rubber mount etc is 460mm like most drift rear shocks . Also KYB does a R32 non adjustable shock which is very hard and would be perfect for those heavy drift rates .

[snake666]

I'll be trying some s13 rear coilovers very soon. Once I get my diff back I will be able to bolt it up and verify it is all good. Im using the Flex model which can dump the shock length without varying the available stroke. I'll take some pics when I am done. Similar to what astroboy has done except with some brand names for my sticker shopping list http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Steve-AE86]

Originally posted by Astroboy@Feb 16 2006, 06:02 PM
Looks like i am all alone in this thread http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/7/5/4/536981.jpg
looks like you're alone in this forum now mate...

you come across as a cynical know it all, that can use the copy/paste function on your PC.

before you go slandering the coilovers i make for AJPS, maybe you should get a hold of a pair, and take a look. they've been engineered to be certain that quality meets a standard. if you want to diss my product, you'd better have some proof. either that, or bash off. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/dry.gif

as you seem to be having goes at a few well known workshops around Australia, i hope you are in fact handy with the tools, because pretty soon, no one will want to sell anything to you, or help you with anything. i don't know the extent of your knowledge, neither do i care. i've done research, both through the internet, and trial and error, so i know for a fact that what i do is good, and works. my coilovers were tested on my car to make sure they work. they were street driven, as well as track tested. i don't make shit parts. never have, never will. my name is on the line.

if you want to be a dickhead and keep flaming other shops, like Raceflo, Andy from Motec, AJPS, etc, then go ahead, but it'll catch up with you.

[Astroboy]

Originally posted by Steve-AE86+Feb 23 2006, 12:11 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Astroboy@Feb 16 2006, 06:02 PM
Looks like i am all alone in this threadÂÂÂ# http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/7/5/4/536981.jpg
looks like you're alone in this forum now mate...

you come across as a cynical know it all, that can use the copy/paste function on your PC.

before you go slandering the coilovers i make for AJPS, maybe you should get a hold of a pair, and take a look. they've been engineered to be certain that quality meets a standard. if you want to diss my product, you'd better have some proof. either that, or bash off. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/dry.gif

as you seem to be having goes at a few well known workshops around Australia, i hope you are in fact handy with the tools, because pretty soon, no one will want to sell anything to you, or help you with anything. i don't know the extent of your knowledge, neither do i care. i've done research, both through the internet, and trial and error, so i know for a fact that what i do is good, and works. my coilovers were tested on my car to make sure they work. they were street driven, as well as track tested. i don't make shit parts. never have, never will. my name is on the line.

if you want to be a dickhead and keep flaming other shops, like Raceflo, Andy from Motec, AJPS, etc, then go ahead, but it'll catch up with you.[/b]
There is no Andy from Motec http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif Raceblow , what is it with you SA people you cannot take any different point of view without resulting to threaten people
Where are these well known workshop ? there unheard off , just pick up any performance based magazine http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif
{ that great stuff to make to a pdf file and sue people with later http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ph34r.gif }

If you product is so good please add a step by step build up to this thread http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

I Thought that Ajps make those ones pictured ? no not the case i guess http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/7/5/4/536981.jpg

If there so great for sure supply me a set !
I am after a set built in s13 legs that bolt { no welding of parts etc }in as per this post somewhere , road legal http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

But be warned that if they don't meet this engineering standards that you talk about and are not road legal http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/blink.gif Do be so surprised by a knock on your door by the relevant road autoritys { police } in your state to check your paper work that you are certifying them as " street driven " or for street use . You seem to be maybe lacking a mechanical engineering degree well you will be shit out of luck and the fine in this state is a $10.000min and up to 10years? [ might be 20years now in nsw ?} in jail if you are found to be guility of accident leading to injury for defective vehicle modification due to this states vacc rulings of repairers .

Whats the body that approves engineering vehcile modifications etc in that state ? i am sure the roads groups up there will know might drop them a email see whats the go http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/cool.gif

Simple , build you own stuff for your own car and you a 100% liable , build shit for some else's car and if your cannot sign off on approving it , being it for road or track and you become liable . Selling parts doesn't get you off the hook as well unless you are just reselling non modified parts to be used in standard vehicle fitment . For more information you might want to spend some time with the body in your state going over the laws since you are a workshop advertising such " road legal " products .

Now if you don't have anything else to add apart from cynical comments http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif

Back to coilover information

{ page saved to pdf }

[roadsailing]

not that i want to appear to be condemning or supporting anyone, but what does

"they've been engineered to be certain that quality meets a standard" mean?

what standard have they been "engineered" to?

its been a while since i have looked at the light vehicle modification regulations, but i seem to remember them stating that suspension components are not to be modified by welding.

[Shiri]

I was using JIC's in my time Astroboy

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/94305.jpg

they rode really well and were assembelled really f***ing good... end of my input http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Steve-AE86]

first up, who said anything about welding control arms? there is only one way to use s13 suspension in your car without having to weld control arms....but i'm not telling you what it is. why should i give away my secrets that i spent time researching for?

my ae86 coilovers however, were passed by a certified engineer in this state.

keep building your car with hopes and dreams buddy... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Astroboy]

Originally posted by Steve-AE86@Feb 23 2006, 04:44 PM
first up, who said anything about welding control arms?ÂÂÂ# there is only one way to use s13 suspension in your car without having to weld control arms....but i'm not telling you what it is.ÂÂÂ# why should i give away my secrets that i spent time researching for?

my ae86 coilovers however, were passed by a certified engineer in this state.

keep building your car with hopes and dreams buddy... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Don't know about this welding lower arm stuff http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif but i am sure that i have seen a post somewhere about it and your name was mentioned ? Is that legal in SA bugger lets all move over there straight away http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif no engineers http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif sound like dodgy work is all the go

So there is only one way of doing that conversion and you don't want to share it with us here http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif or you don't know what was used in that picture like the rest of us morelikely the case http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/huh.gif secrets what ass

You might see i have posted information and spec , measurement , made coilovers in this post and you havent even posted one single picture or anything
It seems to me that since Ajps is you ? then maybe behind you is someone else that works out all this since you are clueless ? is it that simon guy who used to have your sticker on his drift car ? is he the one behind all this conversion stuff http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ph34r.gif since it this month drift battle he get a mention about S13 to ae86 front suspension conversion ? I didn't see you name anywhere there from memory

Anyone got his contact details ? email ? msn ? maybe i will email driftbattle for it

[Steve-AE86]

yep. you got me. i'm AJPS, A-Spec, Raceflo, JMS, Jon, Denzo, Simon, David, and Steve, all in one.

i also know what control arm is used in that picture, and if anyone else wants to know, they can PM my, but you my friend can keep dreaming. lets just say that the arm itself has nothing to do with it...think ball joint, tard.

You're a leech, and that's all there is to it. i've been doing this for longer than you've had a license.

if you'd read my post, also, you would realise that SA does require engineers to sign off on certain things. i never mentioned that cut/shut control arms are legal on the street once. you seem to be fairly adept at twisting people's words to suit what you think.

if you really want to get in contact with Simon, why don't you look on that CD database you have that you mentioned in the AE86 Circuit/Drfit day thread, that has everyones details on it....

while you're there, look up the address for the nearest bookshop, and go get yourself a copy of "how to win friends, and influence people"...i'm sure you could learn a lot from it.

on that note, i'm out of this thread, because you've wasted enough of my time as it is.

[xsoarerx]

wow! very heated!

[Astroboy]

Originally posted by Steve-AE86@Feb 23 2006, 10:28 PM
yep.ÂÂÂ# you got me.ÂÂÂ# i'm AJPS, A-Spec, Raceflo, JMS, Jon, Denzo, Simon, David, and Steve, all in one.

i also know what control arm is used in that picture, and if anyone else wants to know, they can PM my, but you my friend can keep dreaming.ÂÂÂ# lets just say that the arm itself has nothing to do with it...think ball joint, tard.

You're a leech, and that's all there is to it.ÂÂÂ# i've been doing this for longer than you've had a license.

if you'd read my post, also, you would realise that SA does require engineers to sign off on certain things.ÂÂÂ# i never mentioned that cut/shut control arms are legal on the street once.ÂÂÂ# you seem to be fairly adept at twisting people's words to suit what you think.

if you really want to get in contact with Simon, why don't you look on that CD database you have that you mentioned in the AE86 Circuit/Drfit day thread, that has everyones details on it....

while you're there, look up the address for the nearest bookshop, and go get yourself a copy of "how to win friends, and influence people"...i'm sure you could learn a lot from it.

on that note, i'm out of this thread, because you've wasted enough of my time as it is.
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/blink.gif So you think you are all those people http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif right , i sure that they think it sucks to be you http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/huh.gif

Lets face it whilst you where still dreaming of what control arm is used in that picture i did recieve a few msn addresses of some of the above mentioned people http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif And had a very interesting conversation about the cut and shut control arms used in the aspec { or whoever you think you are this today } s13 conversion's . Seems that you have really no idea of how to do this conversion and all you have learnt have been handed down information to you http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif
See you used to set up for a above mentioned person and the set up was worked out even in a different state to you even http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ohmy.gif and this is where you have learnt all your information on any suspension conversions etc http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif

It seem the first original person's to do such conversion have moved on from any of the parts that have listed in any of the information on the internet atm . Apperently they have moved on from 86's fullstop also which is a bit of a bummer too http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif

But lucky for me i have finally the information on the picture emailed to me http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif
Now unlike you i won't try some bull about SECRETS or RESEARCH as you really have come unstuck now with that lie http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ohmy.gif

Wasting time you came to this thread and you have given any information because the truth is you don't know what arm http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif ball joint or whatever parts is used









If you did you wouldn't mind telling us would you http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif

I am still waiting on a email back from the pictures , after that i will ask if its ok to post what the current conversion parts etc are http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif then i might build a set for the front and do another build up in this thread

Thanks for that msn address ***** http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ph34r.gif

[poh_86]

is this toymods or ae86dc?
this is whacked, where is the love

[SprinterTRD]

There is no Andy from Motec laugh.gif Raceblow ,[/b]

Sorry Astroboy

There is an Andy at MoTeC

[Astroboy]

Originally posted by SprinterTRD@Feb 24 2006, 08:23 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE

There is no Andy from Motec laugh.gif Raceblow ,

Sorry Astroboy

There is an Andy at MoTeC [/b][/quote]
There most likely a tom , dick and harry to http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif

[SprinterTRD]

Plenty of Dicks, but no Tom or Harry!

Ah sorry there is a Harry in Japan (AVO)

[Astroboy]

Just spotted this thread of the cut and shut lower control arm http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif


So much for them never been welded http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

SprinterTRD , has Harry got a 240zx ? 260zx ? yellow one ?

[rallystanza]

Originally posted by Astroboy@Feb 24 2006, 04:09 PM
But lucky for me i have finally the information on the picture emailed to meÂÂÂ# http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif
Now unlike you i won't try some bull about SECRETS or RESEARCH as you really have come unstuck now with that lieÂÂÂ# http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ohmy.gif

Wasting time you came to this thread and you have given any information because the truth is you don't know what armÂÂÂ# http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gifÂÂÂ# ball joint or whatever parts is used
Astroboy please share with us.

Jeremy

[rallystanza]

So it seems for this conversion you need to have:

-S13 SR20 Hub with disk and caliper (dependant on what brakes you want)
-Coilovers to suit s13,
-AE86 Camber tops
-Lower control arm to suit- Cmon astroboy
-Balljoints to suit- Cmon astroboy
-Solid tie rods- Cmon Astroboy

Then everything will just Bolt in.

Astroboy, do you know if this LCA needs to be redrilled for the sprinter castor arms?

What Sway bar is required for this setup?

Cheers,

Jeremy

[Steve-AE86]

Originally posted by Astroboy@Mar 6 2006, 07:56 AM
Just spotted this thread of the cut and shut lower control arm http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif


So much for them never been welded http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
would you like to show me where exactly i said i've never cut/shut control arms? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

get over yourself buddy, you're only making yourself look bad http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

[VIC_AE86]

Astroboy you doing a very good job of making enemys on this forum, If you have a problem with another members post, PM them, and that is what is for, as for PM's clogging things up for you maybe I can do a step by step giude on how to delete PM's.

AE86DC is a very very tight knit community and in the end no one will want to know or deal with you, we are all here because we all show the same passion let it be drift, street, corollas, or rice.

This was an alright thread till the e-fighting started.

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