Got Camber?

[Gilly]

i thought i'd start this thread as the question gets asked every couple of months about sigma arms etc. i haven't done these mods my self, this is basically a compilation of information supplied by other members. the infomation is applicable to AE86, KE70 and AE71

Sigma lower control arms.

these are from a GH sigma with press in ball joint. these arms give a 60mm total track increase and close to -5 degrees camber. obvious disadvantages are increased inner edge tyre wear, straight lone braking can also be comprimised due to less of the tyre being in contact with the road. these arms have to be used with RA40 celicas tie rod ends to ensure the correct toe setting can be reached. cost depends on wrecker, but you should be able to get the parts you need for around the $100 mark. requires some modification to inner arm bush to fit, (grind a bit of the steel tube section down, so it fits betwwen subframe)

Corona lower control arms

theses are from an xt130 corona, thye give a 20mm total track increase and approx -2 degrees camber. same disadvantages before but obviously not as bad. these arms can be used with standard rack ends as there is enough adjustment to get the correct toe setting. cost $100 through AJPS or attainable at wreckers. these are a direct bolt in fit no mods required. Also can use arms and tierods from RT132 and RA40 as they are physically the same arm

camber tops

i think we all know how camber tops work. no track increase, greatest advantage is you can set them back to normal to drive every day so you aren't compromising tyre wear etc. biggest disadvantage $$$ around $300 +. these are a direct bolt in fit , require no mods to fit

Negative camber roll centre adjusters

i personally have had nothing to do with these and have never seen them, however have a fair grasp of how they work. they go in between the strut bottom and steering arm, they are offset to gain the camber. track increase would depend on the size of the RCA camber angle you order i suppose. biggest disadvantage again is $$$ around $150 - $200. direct bolt in fit no mods required.

always get a wheel alignment after mucking around with suspension. it's not woth throwing new arms or RCA's in and you have wheels pointing in the wrong direction!!

please note this is only a guide, if any one wants to post new inf o or different options please do and i'll edit this post. hopefully we can have a fair few options and all the info in one place rather than recycling old threads. also thanks to people that have posted info i have used and for the photo's i'll use. this is not my info and i'm not claiming it as mine, i'm just putting it in one place.

below is a pic of sigma arms vs AE86 arms

thanks DRFTAE86 for the pic

[Gilly]

pic of camber after sigma arm fitment. wheels are 15x6.5 +25mm

Thanks DRFTAE86 for the pic

[ae71neo]

Awesome idea, i myself have camber tops and are probably going to get some neg camber rca's aswell as i dont have any rca's atm.

[dori_86]

nice article u may want to add a link to toymods because i think there could be and install guide or something from memory

[.wolfwood]

hmm interesting

[KE70Drifter]

I got a set with new ball joints and bushes cost and extra $50 per control arm, worth it as most of them have rooted ball joints that i found.

[Gilly]

i'm pretty sure control arms are available through pedders and fulcrum with new balljoints and bushes. and rackends through Repco

[slydar]

with the sigma arms i think youre going to end up with a bit more camber than that. i have them and -3 degree's is the least i can get with my cusco camber tops wound right out all the way positive.

i think the total track increase is also something more along the lines 60mm for the sigma arms.

[Brenton 86]

I have purchased some xt130s from the wrecker and im installing them tomoro so il try and get some pics. Also one of the ball joints looks gone and i dont have time to replace it at the moment. Witll this greatly affect the handling or the wheel alignment?

[Gilly]

it's not the best idea to run rooted ball joints. in saying that i have a llose one that i haven't changed in about 6 months, so i'm the worst person to tell you to fix it!! but yeah you should fix it.

[johnny_08]

is that black tape across the lights http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif JDM yo! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/cool.gif

[stouty]

Great article man helped me out alot

[stouty]

What kind of camber do you get with this set up?
T3 RCA's,
T3 Camber Tops,
AE86 Power steering arms,
CUSCO OS Strut Brace,
JIC Pillowball Tension Rods,

[drft86]

just bend your strut, its way easier and cheaper lol


http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/907/post13311427799839cy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


but seriously, after doing research i found that the corona arm would be a better option over the sigma. Although track is not as increased, the camber you get out of using the sigma arms is rather ridicoulous. Is more like 5 degrees.

[roadsailing]

thats the gutter strut rod bend method.

i saw the XT130 mod done recently, looks good, not too obvious. the car needs a wheel alignment now though, has a good 30mm of toe out now.

[slydar]

some editing and deleting needed there i thought guys.. that picture shows a car that is DAMAGED. it is not the result of using sigma arms and does not represent the result you will get.

i do tend to agree, having done the conversion myself that sigma control arms are quite extreme.

even with heavy flairing you will struggle fit your wheels inside your guards with wheels of offset any less than 0.

[slydar]

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/1/8/13051.jpg

to give you an idea this is my car.

sigma control arm, 15x7.5 -6 rim, and cusco camber tops ajusted all the way positive to give -3* camber.

[rthy]

are u using rear spacers or different offset rims in the rear? looks nice

[slydar]

the rear rims in that shot are 15x8.5 +20. but with a 25mm bolt on spacer. so you would get the same result from a rim with -5 offset.

[rthy]

ok, just to let every one know:
XT130
RT132
RA40
(maybe all 79>83 corona's & celica's?)

HAVE THE SAME ARMS!!!! AND TIE RODS!!!

that is all...

[dori_86]

but sigma is different/longer?

[rthy]

Here is the line up of arms
1. Sprinter AE86
2. Celica RA60
3. Corona XT130
4. Sigma GH

Also shown the XT130 idle arm fits prefect into the ae86 strut!
i would say the idle arm is very similar in length

also, RA60 and AE86 lower arms are very similar length
the XT130 lower arms is only a few mm longer (give or take 2-5mm) than the ae86/ra60
and the sigma is significantly longer than all of them (give or take 2-3cm)

coming soon, cheap as ra60 strut conversion for the backyard mech!

[roadsailing]

rthy, could you post up a less clear photo? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

[devolutio]

http://www.aussiesnacks.com.au/uploads/confectionery.jpg

hope this helps http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

[rthy]

wats wrong with the photo?
i dont have a ruler...

the photo is just to give u an idea of it, as u can see the sigma arms i like longer

[boosted86]

when fitting xt130 arms do they bolt straight onto the 86 strut and do the 86 tension rods and swaybar still fit and is it wise to change tie rod ends

[biggo]

It SHOULD all fit but it may be wise to grab a longer tie rod while ur at it.

Also new bushes would be nice...

[DRiiFT_King]

i put some corona LCA's on my sprinter it looks good, he camber isnt over the top and the extra track fill's out the standard gaurds nice, ill have photos tommorow

[DRiiFT_King]

not the best of photos...
heres what the front wheel looks like with the corona LCA

[DRiiFT_King]

and heres the diffrents in length, its pretty much 10mm

[rthy]

ah cool, didn't see that the idle arms are different

[mc68]

hows the bush/ball joint combatabilty?

AE86 ones fit XT130 ones no worries?

thanks.

[pumpkinking]

i put xt130' in my 86 the other week and had no problems everything bolted straight up with out any drama you will need a wheel aligment though.. the only thing i replaced was one tie rod as the bushings were stuffed..

and i wouldnt put longer tie rods in the 86 ones are fine.. i can put a pic up if people are interested

[EMD-KE70]

Is this the same for KE70s?
Will corona arms fit with no mods?

[blacky86]

i say yes, i have ae86 LCA's in my ke70 as i went to pull the steering arms off the balljoints then realised the control arms were exactly the same so i left them and threw the spoontah ones in!!

[anastasios]

hey guys i have just bought some sigma gh arms and was wondering how to get the steering arm off? just a vice and hammer any tricks? and does the ra40 steering arms press in? im asking because i am doing a ta22 strut conversion into a ke30

[ae71neo]

Originally posted by DRiiFT_King@Mar 26 2006, 06:13 PM
not the best of photos...
heres what the front wheel looks like with the corona LCA
Any chance of getting a pic of something we can actually see http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif?

[DRiiFT_King]

the cars in a pretty dark place so all the photos i took tuurned out crap, this saturday ill roll it out into the sun light and take some better photos

[rthy]

how much camber does xt130 struts give? I am thinking of just added a 5mm slice to my original arms.

[mattysshop]

it's a slightly more expensive option.. but if you ask me far better, as you kill 2 birds with 1 stone.. lowered car excessivly = bump steer city.. to you need RCA's right? (right).. get neg camber RCA's..

i'm a link to a website..click me http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif (http://www.technotoytuning.com/t3_site_pages/products/ncrca.html)

plus if you like me.. you would have done the smart thing buy now and rebushed everything in the car with a good quality urethane bushes and replaced all your ball joints/rackends..

[ArJay]

I just put some XT130 arms in this weekend and bugger me if I can tell the difference between the two arms. The car sits pretty much exactly as it did before the Corona arms went in.

I did put in some 30mm RCAs at the same time....do they make a difference to the camber ie. make it more positive?

Rory http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[Gilly]

i'd say the rca's have cancelled out your camber, ibet if you take them out you're camber will magically reappear!!!

rca's by making the strut longer stop your arms from sitting flater, which is what gives lowered cars without rca's that bit of camber.

[ArJay]

yeah...I reckon you're right 20v.

Got some camber plates to go in when I get the time so no biggie. Just so much farking around for no real result.

Plus I buggered the thread on the tie rod end while doing it http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rant.gif

R:)

[SMC1990]

would this also work on an ra60? eg. using rona or sigma arms?

[mattysshop]

yeh, i upgraded a mates car to RA60 arms.. everything with the AE86 bolted into place with no adjusment needed (just a wheel alightnment obviously)

so what ever bolted into the 86 should work fine http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif SHOULD..

[chapl]

ive got these in and have -5 degree camber!!!!!111

v8 supercar styles yo

[drewx]

just thought i might warn everyone about the wider front end track with the Sigma LCA conversion. i recommend widening the rear track with 20-25mm spacers, or you will get huge oversteer at high speed when not expected.

[DRFTAE86]

Hey 20v KE70, wheres my royalties for using my pics of my parts and car in ur first post http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/crazy.gif

Hahaa, jk... good post, made better use of my pics anyway http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

PS: i think this topic should be a sticky. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tup.gif

[Gilly]

^^^LOL!!!

[mc68]

just thought i might warn everyone about the wider front end track with the Sigma LCA conversion. i recommend widening the rear track with 20-25mm spacers, or you will get huge oversteer at high speed when not expected.[/b]

yuh i was quietly daydreaming a few times whether it throws the geometry out abit...must do

[Gilly]

main post edited, compiling info from other members + rep for DRFTAE86 for supplying piccies

[breno]

For anyone thinking about putting xt130 lca's in their ke70, the steering arms to are small for the ke70 struts, luckily for me im getting ae86 struts anyway http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[brad]

so to put gh sigma arms into a ae71 the only othe thing i would hav to change is to go to ra4a celica tie rods. do these bolt straight onto the 71 rack?
if they do does any one have a pair for sale http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[RobertoX]

yes and yes

[Professor_cool]

ok then ... ke55 steerin arms go onto sigma lower control arms??

and ra40 tie rods on 55 rack?

[RobertoX]

55 rack?[/b]

55 rack?????? hahahahaha

why would you put sigmas in a 55?

[driftke70]

i out sigma lca's in my rolla, and all i did was change the rolla steering arms onto the sigma puppies, then i got some ra40 tie rod ends WHICH were shorter than ke70 originals, it is actually ra40 RACK ends you need.

[ae86trueno]

or you could just cheat like me, but i dont think it legal ?
Adjustable Spherical bearings all the way http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4949/suspensionsmrb2.jpg

Ben.

[Professor_cool]

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55 rack?[/b]

55 rack?????? hahahahaha

why would you put sigmas in a 55?
[/b]

why would u turbo charge a 4ac... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/fap.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/fap.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/fap.gif

ca = not fecked .. just a simple oil pressure relive valve stuck http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sleepy.gif

[RobertoX]

i know i love my rose jointed lcas! hahaha

i have a pic somewhere


or you could just cheat like me, but i dont think it legal ?
Adjustable Spherical bearings all the way http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4949/suspensionsmrb2.jpg

Ben.[/b]

[RobertoX]

i was pointing out the fact you referred to the ke55 as having a STEERING RACK, when it clearly does not

putting sigma control arms into a ke55 is up there with a ca in an 86 = ghey

turbo 4ac, because i needed more power, and i needed it within 5 days (as in before DA)

it happended to be pretty good, so i kept it



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55 rack?[/b]

55 rack?????? hahahahaha

why would you put sigmas in a 55?
[/b]

why would u turbo charge a 4ac... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/fap.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/fap.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/fap.gif

ca = not fecked .. just a simple oil pressure relive valve stuck http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sleepy.gif
[/b]

[anastasios]

there really is no problem in putting sigmas in a 55, ive put them into a 30 with ta22 struts and the thing handles awsomly and has a fat stance, arent old corollas allowed to have camber? i dont see why your laughing

[JDMJNKY]

i got Ta23 lcas with stock tie rod ends got about -3deg camber and crazy wheel track not as much as
sigma arms but heeps better than stock and much more streetable.

[Dxaqta]

corona arms are the way to go

[Sprinter-Saurus]

Rose-jointed FTW =

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/114835.jpg

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[Dxaqta]

yeah i agree with that.... but cutting up control arms = illegal


spritner saurus who made up those arms for u in sydney

[slydar]

i dont like sigma lca's. they cause bump steer. the ball joint is taller which puts the ball joint pivot point out of alignment with the tie rod pivot.

sigma arms = the gay.

[anastasios]

does that happen even when u press corolla ball joints into the arms?

[Sprinter-Saurus]

yeah i agree with that.... but cutting up control arms = illegal


spritner saurus who made up those arms for u in sydney[/b]

Yeh it's illegal, but I'm changing to different rose joints soon, but yeh it's something different and IMHO doesn't compromise strength and obviously allows for adjustability.

A welder/fabricator/laser cutter guy in Ingleburn did 'em for me. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[slydar]

does that happen even when u press corolla ball joints into the arms?[/b]


you cant. they dont fit.

[anastasios]

ah yes my mistake we pushed new sigma ball joints in the gh arms and the ra40 steering arms went on them

[zathunman]

just thought i might warn everyone about the wider front end track with the Sigma LCA conversion. i recommend widening the rear track with 20-25mm spacers, or you will get huge oversteer at high speed when not expected.


this couldnt be truer guys, very scary stuff... i had my ke 70 at full lock trying to correct on the eastern freeway... didnt even expect it to kick out either... scary!

[drew86]

does anyone know if ta23 and ra40's have the same tie rod ends

Cheers

[TurboRA28]

RA23/ra28 use the same tie rods as RA40..

I think TA23 has same as TA22 so unsure cant comment on that.

[20sil]

i out sigma lca's in my rolla, and all i did was change the rolla steering arms onto the sigma puppies, then i got some ra40 tie rod ends WHICH were shorter than ke70 originals, it is actually ra40 RACK ends you need.[/b]

Sorry to bring it up again but is this right, doing it soon and wanna know if this is true?

[20sil]

Anybody?

[us_ae86]

I love you all for this thread. It helps like noooooo tomorrow. As for the idea of giving this thread a sticky. I concur. Even if it doesn't get one, it's already sticky enough. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

[sprinters_r_mad]

i bought these today

[attachment=12554:attachment]

do they fit or can they be made to fit?

please say they can http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif or ill be fkn shitty

[Konakid]

Negative, they wont fit...

[sprinters_r_mad]

DAMN IT!!!!!!!!! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/angry.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/glare.gif

[stanzzza]

i call bullshit they look like the longer sigma arms 365mm? i think if so i ran those with out a drama just need to drill a hole for the sway

if not i still bet you those can work they run the same layout as toyota arms so why extactly would'nt they work????

[seek]

where would i drill a hole?

[attachment=12568:attachment]

?

cheers http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

[stanzzza]

nah thats ball joint bolts on there just bolt it in and suss it out kinda get it straight and bust out the drill it's more to wards the bushing were it gets smaller

[stefan]

i finished my xt130 and wheel alignment its the shiz i tried the sigma option but for too much camber

xt130 is quite streetable and looks sweet and handles very nicly too

its a exellent budget upgrade eventually ill get som rose jointed LCA's

but for now it does the part!

[sprinters_r_mad]

what years do the sigmas have to be to be the same as the sprinter with the pillow ball joints?.............p.s. coz i just went for the newest one i could find http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

cheers guys

[anastasios]

you need the gh sigma lca

[stanzzza]

all sigmas bolt in just that i think gk sorry not good with my sigmas are longer which equalls more camber so ones like you have are longer then the other ones

easly noticable larger ones have a ball joint that bolts on shorter ones have a pressed in one

[roadsailing]

i've just done the XT130 swap, great upgrade!

mild track and camber increase, but heaps for street.

get a wheel laignment, when i dropped the car to do a tape measure special the wheels were pointing out at an alarming angle, something around 20mm toe out!

[anastasios]

yep well thats going to happen when you get a longer lca, thats why ra40 outer tierod ends and rackends are used

[hilton]

ot oh... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/7/5/4/536981.jpg

[hilton]

where would i drill a hole?

[attachment=12568:attachment]

?

cheers http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif[/b]

my controll sogma controll arms are same as these. how do i fit these into a ke70, anyone able to tell me?

[driftke70]

fuck no wonder i didnt have major ass raping camber, i must have got this shitty sigma arms, ive only got -3 degrees on a side, my ball joints are pressed in. Ahh well got camber tops now, besides -3 degrees is a realistic good amount.

[rthy]

the informative part of this thread would go well in the wiki, I will look to add it if I get a chance in the future unless someone can do it before me?

[roadsailing]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sam_Q @ Nov 17 2007, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=438227)</div>
the informative part of this thread would go well in the wiki, I will look to add it if I get a chance in the future unless someone can do it before me?[/b]

do it sam, i tried to add the thing about KE70 strut tops in an AE86 for added caster, but got bored before i figured out how to do indexes etc

[fixeruperer]

i got a max of 3 degrees when i used sigma arms, but im using those supra/celica struts that when on an ae86 they give you max of about 1 degree positive camber.

[dr1ft-pig]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fixeruperer @ Nov 17 2007, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=438360)</div>
i got a max of 3 degrees when i used sigma arms, but im using those supra/celica struts that when on an ae86 they give you max of about 1 degree positive camber.[/b]


was that with camber tops dude??

[fixeruperer]

standard camber tops.
but now that i had to get the car licenced (wich it is now woohoo) i had to put the standard ae86 arms in and now im back to 1 degree pos :( (i cant be botherd putting the sigma ones in juts yet :) ).


an old pic.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~fmj/dscorner.jpg

[Gullie]

wow all this is a little bit too much information at once...
i need a yes or no an0swer please.. today i purchased xt130 c/arms from u-pull-it.
am i correct that the xt130 steering arms wont bolt up to the strut?
so i have to press my ke70 steering arms into the control arm?
then i should be sweet to go?
cheers

[rthy]

xt130 steering arms will fit well, the ke70 ones wont fit they are 1mm off

[Fozz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sam_Q @ Dec 29 2007, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=460234)</div>
xt130 steering arms will fit well, the ke70 ones wont fit they are 1mm off[/b]

any one know about t18 ones fitting?

[Fozz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fozz @ Dec 30 2007, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=460417)</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sam_Q @ Dec 29 2007, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=460234)
xt130 steering arms will fit well, the ke70 ones wont fit they are 1mm off[/b]

any one know about t18 ones fitting?
[/b][/quote]

tried this today and works perfect t18 struts will bolt onto corona arms

[kiwi]

Hey guys
What part should i be purchasing to complete my sigma lca conversion into my ke70.
I have got my struts in and lca's in but, i recently brought a pair of ra40 tie rod ends ( part no# TTE489L ) from repco, and have realised that the ke70 tie rod ends are crimped into the tube and wont wind out so my new ones can wind in. What i would like to know is whether it is ra40 "rack ends" that i need instead of tie rod ends, or what?

Thanks in advance.

[kaibeecee]

do you have an 86 rack?

if so, just get 86 rack ends

[kiwi]

No, no 86 rack. So what do i do??. What part do i need instead of ra40 tie rod ends?

[egg_83]

go to the wreckers and get some cressida tubes. They fit between the ke rack ends and ra40 tie rod ends. lots of adjustment. the ke tie rod end and ball joint are one piece.

[kiwi]

Excellent, thank you egg_83.

[Beau]

any model cressida??

[egg_83]

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any model cressida??[/b]
I can't remember the model sorry. ra40 ones fit too

[marvis]

Sweet write up Gilly.

-wants Corona lower control arms-

[Beau]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (marvis @ Jan 31 2008, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=477854)</div>
Sweet write up Gilly.

-wants Corona lower control arms-[/b]

AJPS is your friend for a brand new set!
Club Charles said its ok!

[marvis]

Ajps don't have any.

[JDM-20L]

Can someone tell me why the GH sigma arms are the only ones that fit?? Do the other model sigma arms fit also?? If they do what problems are there??

Cheers

[RobertoX]

do now!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (marvis @ Jan 31 2008, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=477854)</div>
Sweet write up Gilly.

-wants Corona lower control arms-[/b]

[anastasios]

ok what you need which is more common than cressy tubes, are ke30 corolla or 55 tubes, u can also use ra40 tubes, other sigma arms fit although they have too much camber, if you can't find sigma gh arms 30-55 lcas are also longer than 70-86 lcas providing more track and camber, combined with camber tops should be able to achieve enough camber without it being death to tyres, what i was wondering is about using 86 cusco camber tops in a 70-71, they give more positive caster meaning you need the low caster version?

[RobertoX]

i now have my own type of ra40 twin adjust conversion

$149pr shipped

same as this

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8179/revolverae86img600x4501ph3.jpg

[JDM-20L]

So in short... the other model Sigma LCA's give too much camber??

[JDM-20L]

Also just quickly is it just the tie rod ends I need or do I need the tubes as well?????


Cheers

[anastasios]

ke55 tubes and 55 tie rod ends, they are the same part number as the ra40 ones, the best place in sydney to get new tierod ends is lsi on canturbury road, as for the tubes hit up pick and payless or some young kid stripping a 30

[JDM-20L]

Yeah got me tie rod ends no stress but need the tubes... I'll hunt around but worse case is new toyota @ $28 each...

[anastasios]

oh thats not bad price, and u wont have to worry bout them being siezed

[JDM-20L]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (anastasios @ Feb 22 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=490899)</div>
oh thats not bad price, and u wont have to worry bout them being siezed[/b]


Yeah I couldn't believe they were still available.... about $50 for the pair (trade) and I got the tie rod ends new too under $40.. so all new would be under $90.... not too bad!!!

[yoshimitsu9]

i have a question as to whats the best way to get some camber on an ae86 + ra60 struts? I'm assuming that the struts have just been bolted into the car with no other bits changed so I'm assuming that it has stock ae86 everything else, therefore there is no camber what so ever.

what is going to work to get some camber? order some fuck off sized -rca's or corona lcas, combination of both or all of that plus camber tops???

i want to keep the struts either way because of the braking goodness

so what should i do???

[E7]

i put XT130 arms in my ke70, handles so much better! like a little go kart!


i recommend the XT130 arms

[dog89]

After reading this whole thread didnt find the info i needed so...

1. - If you have an ae86 and you get GH sigma LCA's you need ra40 tie rod ends and thats it?
2. - Or do you need the ra40 tie rod as well?
3. - Do you need to modify anything else? EG - swaybar mount hole, inner bush crush tube(grind down)?

[stefan]

dude its factory replacment arm for e7 etc

just 10mm longer per side for xt 130

and you can use ur original tie rods etc


don't USE SUCKASSMA SIGMA ARMS WRONG TAPER

[dog89]

Can someone just answer my question please

[stefan]

yup don't use sigma arms

[RobertoX]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dog89 @ Apr 22 2008, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=521555)</div>
After reading this whole thread didnt find the info i needed so...

1. - If you have an ae86 and you get GH sigma LCA's you need ra40 tie rod ends and thats it?
2. - Or do you need the ra40 tie rod as well?
3. - Do you need to modify anything else? EG - swaybar mount hole, inner bush crush tube(grind down)?[/b]

1. no
2. yes, you said it yourself
3. yes, yes

4. JUST GET CORONA ARMS PLEASE

[biggo]

I should run SIGMAHHHZZZ just to piss you guys off :)

[stefan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (biggo @ Apr 22 2008, 07:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=521698)</div>
I should run SIGMAHHHZZZ just to piss you guys off :)[/b]


then you would earn FAIL too

[skit]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slippry @ Apr 23 2008, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=521938)</div>
then you would earn FAIL too[/b]


LOL at select members of dc who continue to bag people out. It is not cool to jump on someone everytime "sigma LCA" is mentioned.

For the record DOG89 - you don't *have* to redrill your front sway-bar holes in the sigma LCA, but you should. Otherwise the the bushes on the swaybar link are twisted badly because the link angles significantly outward to reach the standard sigma hole. I suspect they would split fairly quickly, so best to redrill the holes.

Dave is correct about the tie rods. Maybe this will clarify (note ===== denotes a female thread, ------- denotes a male thread):

stock ae86: (TIE ROD END) ========= screws into ----------------- (RACK END).

For sigma arms you need: (ra40 TIE ROD END) ------------- screws into ====== (ra40 TIE ROD OUTER TUBE) screws into -------------- (ra40 "RACK"END)

Does that make sense? The ra40 tie rod outer tube works like a turnbuckle, but still has poverty locking clamps, rather than lock nuts.

[dog89]

so what is so wrong with sigma arms? they increase track... not a problem, massive camber...get adjustable strut tops. why is everyone so against them.?

[driftke70]

there are two types of sigma arms, one is longer than the other, you are better off using rona arms and getting higher offset wheels, control arms that are two long can change the ratio of the action and the moment on the bushes, making suspension adjustment tedious and hard and make the car sort of hobble under load. Ideally you want a short control arm, but more track and a small amount of camber. Track can be had from offset, camber can be had from camber tops, camber is useless without a nice amount of castor.

[Konakid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (driftke70 @ Apr 27 2008, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=523361)</div>
there are two types of sigma arms, one is longer than the other, you are better off using rona arms and getting higher offset wheels, control arms that are two long can change the ratio of the action and the moment on the bushes, making suspension adjustment tedious and hard and make the car sort of hobble under load. Ideally you want a short control arm, but more track and a small amount of camber. Track can be had from offset, camber can be had from camber tops, camber is useless without a nice amount of castor.[/b]

:2thumbs:

[DRFTPG]

this is the kind of track and camber you get with t3 ncrca's, thats with 14x6.5 +6 wheels...they give you 50mm more track overall and camber depends on how low you go but i have around 3.5 degrees and I'm at a good street height

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/168783.jpg
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/168784.jpg

[MountainRunner]

shit! I'm getting NRCA's and i got rona LCAs my camber will be like -6 :(

[Konakid]

Just don't get ncrca's, get normal ones dude.

[E7]

so even if i put sigma arms in my track only ke70 does it improve it any more better then the corona control arms?


sounds like there is way too much work with the sigma arms. my corona ones just went right in easy as poo

[sprinters_r_mad]

HOW THE FUCK DO I FIT THESE???????//

the dude at pedders :sick: assured me these would fit and that they are from an ra40

but I'm struggling to think of a way to fit them

[attachment=27954:IMGP1610.JPG]
just incase you can't see it properly the thread is on the right end of it

FUCK ITS FRUSTRATING!!!!!!!! r they from an ra40 and how do i fit them???

<_<

[RobertoX]

inner tie rods

you need something like these

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1637/11032008ri7.jpg

ae86 and ke/ae ones are single adjustment

[blair]

^ sad.

[RobertoX]

??

[marvis]

As dave said, you need inner tie rod ends.. I got mine off an old corolla, works fine.

[sprinters_r_mad]

ok thats cool, coz atm i got these aswell

[attachment=27960:IMGP1611.JPG]

is there anywhere i can just get those 'inner tie rods'? <_<

its all i need

thanks guys

[dunga70]

i have 86 struts in my e7.. i have ra40 tie rod ends and sigma lca.. i think they are still the ke70 strut top.. however i have neg 3.5 camber which i think looks way cool but is too much for daily road use.. i drive around 80ks a day and front tires don't last more than 3 months.. usually 2 and abit months.. but that is me pumping the slut too.. ordered 86 camber tops from ajps along with a strut brace. so I'm gonna go corona arms and camber tops.. what kinda camber can i get out of this? min and max... and will it give simialr grip to neg 3.5 camber?
thanks lads.

[Konakid]

XT130 arms are the ones you want dude, with cusco camber tops i can get max -2.5 at around 3 inches lower than stock, plenty for street tyres.

[darkon]

i hate to ask but for clarrification sorry for the repetative questioning


list:

ke70
ae86 struts
ae86 ps arms
rona lca's


is anything else needed to be purchased?


cheers in advance guys

[bigm]

you can put the above mentioned lower control arms with any struts, you just need to take the steering arm off and put the steering arm into the new LCA,
but if you want ae86 struts in ke70 you need to get ae86 brakes, ADM or JDM which is bigger

[darkon]

cheers mate

yeah i'm looking to purchase complete struts


thats good no tie rod end etc needed

[bigm]

with xt130 LCas, stock tie rod ends should be right.

[Simon-AE86]

now for a different question, Anyone know of any LCA"s that are around the same length as ke70/ae86 or even xt130s (but no longer) that has a nissan type ball joint in it?

[350hp4agte]

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/175972.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/dsc00124jf1.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img505/dsc00124jf1.jpg/1/)

[510lj]

I run NRCA and camber tops, and love it, seriously for the extra money id go the NRCA they're great they give you 3.5 when the camber tops are at 0 and extra track, but thats just me.

[marvis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (350hp4agte @ Aug 30 2008, 08:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=581423)</div>
image[/b]
Thats way to much for them tyres (guessing 185's)

[350hp4agte]

meh i never ran that much on the street just did it for the pic i could get even more out of it tho hehe

[Simon-AE86]

pffft @ pic

this is camber!!
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/176009.jpg

[E7]

sigma arms? lol mega camber!

[Simon-AE86]

acctually they were custom arms, which were 20MM longer then stock 86 arms. however i had neg offset rca's and camber tops which created a total of 12 degrees camber lol

[shinny]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Simon-AE86 @ Sep 30 2008, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=594610)</div>
acctually they were custom arms, which were 20MM longer then stock 86 arms. however i had neg offset rca's and camber tops which created a total of 12 degrees camber lol[/b]

WHOA!!

thats camber to the extreme!!!

[Ksevn-T]

Dont know if its been asked in this thread yet but, how much camber is enough camber for street use. I have neg 3. Camber which my mates reckon is too much. Also what tyre size is recommended?

[Konakid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ksevn-T @ Oct 2 2008, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=595267)</div>
Dont know if its been asked in this thread yet but, how much camber is enough camber for street use. I have neg 3. Camber which my mates reckon is too much. Also what tyre size is recommended?[/b]

Depends on you tyre and what rim its on but -3 is plenty for a street tyre.

[RobertoX]

-2 - 2.5 is plenty

youll know if you need more

[johl]

i run neg 2.5. u can really feel that the tyre has max grip during heavy cornering so i know thats pretty much the sweet spot for my set up

[julzy]

3 degrees is too much for a daily drivien car,
1.5-2 is way more practical and wont chew out tyres as quick.

[Konakid]

between -2 to 2.5 is sweet.

[slydar]

i think 3ish is good. if you do a fair amount of hard driving and drifting your tires will wear evenly even at that setting. with drift you intentionally throw the car onto the outside loaded wheel really hard, so the recommendation of 1.5-2 degrees being the most you can take advantage of with a road tire doesnt really apply to a drift car.

the extra camber helps with wheel fitment too. i would rather have too much camber than too little.

[driftke70]

indubitably,

another cool thing to do if you ever get bored, can be used for various applications, but basically get a piece of chalk and draw a line going from your trread to a little way up your sidewall, and after a bit of driving, depending on what you are building the car for, you can see how much your tyre is actually rolling outwards, how much of your tread has actually hit the black top.

[Konakid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (driftke70 @ Oct 2 2008, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=595496)</div>
indubitably,

another cool thing to do if you ever get bored, can be used for various applications, but basically get a piece of chalk and draw a line going from your trread to a little way up your sidewall, and after a bit of driving, depending on what you are building the car for, you can see how much your tyre is actually rolling outwards, how much of your tread has actually hit the black top.[/b]

Fucking good idea.

Have also read that by using temp sensing gun on the inner, middle and outer part of the tyre after a hard run will tell you whether you need to run more or less.

I'm under the impression that the bigger the sidewall, the more camber you should run as the tyre will want to 'fold' over more than a low profile tyre.

eg compare 195/50 to a 185/60.

[balistic]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slydar @ Oct 2 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=595464)</div>
i would rather have too much camber than too little.[/b]

..just dont try and pull quickly in a straight line as you have bugger all front tyre tread contact! Your usually better to have more castor then just loads of camber, as caster adds dynamic camber when turning.

[Konakid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HighLife @ Oct 3 2008, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=595751)</div>
..just dont try and pull quickly in a straight line as you have bugger all front tyre tread contact! Your usually better to have more castor then just loads of camber, as caster adds dynamic camber when turning.[/b]

Definately, camber is the enemy of straight line braking!