Help! In getting my 20V on the road

[Dori_Dori]

Jus wondering i got 20v in my Sprinter and the firewall has
been chopped, what requirements do i need to get my car on the road
Suspenison still stock
(need a Engineer cert) etc
If any of you guys know please help me.


Cheers

[mattysshop]

has the firewall been cut then panel beated back in or re welded a cup in there etc?? if in QLD you will need a mod plate..
for
1 - engine transplant
2 - changes to fuel system
depending on what else is done.. you need a piece of paper and a blue plate on everything now up here!

[Gilly]

i did this on both my sprinter and ke70, both of which were qld transport approved. i cut a square section of the firewall out and had a box welded into the hole, recessed firewalls are ok my engineer said as long as they don't interfere with any of the standard controls (heater, fanbox etc) in the case of the 20v you will lose your heater, i promised to get a marine 12v electric one that goes under the dash, never did though.

you have to have a heater for demister, you could probably get away with one of the heated strip stick on ones, but then you'd probably get done for visual obstruction. if you are in brissy get in touch with Auto extra's at Herston he did all mine, just have a chat with him and see what he says.

[Dori_Dori]

hi im in Melb
all i hv done to it is jus (20V) nuttiin else n a external fuel pump all i know of.
'Mattysshop" its a re welded cup riveted yeh i gor no heater core:(
what would i hv 2 do to get it on the road????
any suggestions????
do u guys know any hook ups in Melb(enginner)???????

Cheers

[rthy]

well I dotn know the laws for QLD but I know a few for vic, so heres a summary:

Dori_Dori your screwed! I sujest borrowing a 4ac, get a RWC and then hooking up a heater again. I know an engeneer that I am sorting things out with and getting a proper certificate. Theres alot of work in it and it costs $600+, for those that dont know you also need a roadie when you get a cert here. Perhaps you should do a proper job on the ignition and weld the firewall back up.


20v KE70: I think your idea of a marine 12V heater is ingenious, is there room for the standard blower housing and motor if the firewall is recessed.

[mattysshop]

yeh i was gonna say i don't think it matters what state your in.. no heater = no RWC.. unless you know a really dodgey guy who likes getting fines when he gets cought..

[Dori_Dori]

Thankx guys
so ur impling that i should put bck the 4a-c
n get it on the road den get it done pro???(20V)


Cheers

[Dori_Dori]

sorry would i hve to change all the wiring bck.



Cheers

[SprinterTRD]

You cant even get a roadworthy without a screen dimister

[Dori_Dori]

"Sam_Q" if i did buy or borrow sum noes 4A-C
wont dey need da right engine number?


Cheeers

[rthy]

yes good point, you can quite easly declare a change of engine, cheap, easy and free from what I have been told.

[andru_g]

well I dotn know the laws for QLD but I know a few for vic, so heres a summary:

Dori_Dori your screwed![/b]


haHa i love that! lol

well the car i bought had a 20v in it and was already registered (but was still registered with the old 4ac engine numba)... ne waiz wen i went to hand in the papers at vicroads
- the car 'was not engineered'
- all the papers & the rwc had the "new engine numba" of the 20v - which of course didnt match with what they had on the system
- papers were processed and i paid my stamp duty n no q's were asked..

i thought they were gonna reject it but i dont think they cared coz the engine numba of the 20v was still 4Axxxxxx which was similar to the old eng. numba... but whu knows.. maybe the person was an idiot.. or maybe it was bcoz they were busy at the time

well i hope that gives you a run through what i had to do...

all the besT! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

[bahnugget]

..ok but if you have an accident without an engineered motor, your insurance isn't going to pay up...

[Dori_Dori]

So if i did change it to i 4A-c
hv 2 change fuel lines / fuel pump
engine of course. what bout the alternatr,starter motr,
water pump n engine mounts????
dont i need a recipe for da 4A-c



Cheers

[bahnugget]

too much effort, your best bet would be to find a way to make the heater/demister stuff work again, then get ur car engineered properly

[Dori_Dori]

"too much effort, your best bet would be to find a way to make the heater/demister stuff work again, then get ur car engineered properly"(bahnugget)


my fan n demister works jus dont hv no heater core
cus of the firewall been cut out
what do u mean by going to get the car properly done by
an enginner???
would dey hv 2 start fresh???(engine wise)
or should i go i head wit da 4A-C conversion?
lol
n if did do the 4A-c conversion would i need a recipe for the engine den to get it rwc
n how long wil it take to do this conversion????
Sorry to be a pain guyz
Total newbie:)


Cheers

[bahnugget]

ok for starters, this would be a WHOLE lot easier if you could talk like a person.. (ie not lyk dis cozz itz hard to reed)

secondly, in order to LEGALLY fit a 20V engine into an AE86 you have to get what's called a "modification plate" (mod plate), basically that tells any authorities who want to look at your car that the modifications are safe. Ring your local department of transport, and ask what you have to do to get a mod plate, they will say you have to get an engineer to inspect the vehicle and ensure it is safe.

once you have a mod plate, you can properly advise the transport department of the new engine number etc, then, provided the rest of your car is fine, get a roadworthy certificate.

the 4AC conversion (which is a massive downgrade) was suggested because that brings your car back to stock form, ie. not modified enough to require a mod plate.

also, what the hell do you mean by "recipe for the engine"? you cant just chuck a bunch of ingredients together and bake yourself an engine. most people find you have to buy one, look in the for sale section here, people tend to give them away (they're not good for much).

the "4AC Conversion" isnt so much a conversion, but really a replacing the 20V with what was there originally, it will require you to source a 4AC, (and a couple of little things, like clutch, flywheel etc), bolt it in and connect the factory wiring (not much wiring for a 4AC, but can still be a pain)

hopefully, if your engine was done right in the first place, you should be able to just get an engineer to look at your car, approve the work done, and fit a mod plate.

Cheers
p.s i mean it when i said try talking like a person http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Dori_Dori]

"p.s i mean it when i said try talking like a person"(bahnugget)

yeah ill try
n thankx for the advise.


Cheers

[slydar]

electric heater core is the go. its not a new idea. hot rodders have been doing it forever. some earth moving machinery have ones you can use. there is also a particluar barina that has an electric heater core. ect ect.

[bahnugget]

i also believe old holdens also have electric heater cores (at least my HK did).. however they may not be adaptable for use in an AE86