sprinter offset

[cri_ag]

hi guys i know this has been covered alot but i need a quick definative answer, as im looking to purchase some wheels.

the wheels in question are 15x7 with an offset of +30, how are these going to fit on my sprinter?

thanks
craig.

[Big T]

The quick definitive answer is that they won't fit so don't bother.

Eddie.

[cri_ag]

they are going to be hitting the strut i assume?

[Big T]

Possibly... they might not hit on a straight wheel fitament but try turning the wheels to full lock and see the clearance you have. I've tried a 15x7 +35 and even with a 15mm spacer they scrubbed on full lock. Hence the "dont bother trying" comment http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif You could get some bolt on spacer but make sure they're hubcentric.

Eddie.

[Dish]

They'll hit the strut, I have scrub marks on mine from just the stock 13x5 +27 wheels.

There's a tiny clearance between my 15x7 +13 now.

[cri_ag]

ok point taken, cheers for the help guys.

[DRFT - 86]

16x8's with 45/205's +38 offset........... lowered a bit and nothing scrubs... ever.
clearence between the front struts tho is like a 8mm gap or so.

[Big T]

16x8's with 45/205's +38 offset........... lowered a bit and nothing scrubs... ever.
clearence between the front struts tho is like a 8mm gap or so.[/b]

That i find a bit hard to believe. Are you definately sure on the offset? A picture to those unsure of how/why sprinters need low offset to prevent the left edge from hitting the struts...

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/105062.jpg

I know that sometimes an offset on one particular wheel may scrub while on another style it doesn't but +38 is massive. Do you have a pic of the wheels?

Eddie.

[Gilly]

15x7 +15mm

this is as far is i know and in my experience the highest offset you will fit on a sprinter

[RobertoX]

there is no way a 16x8 + 38 will fit on the front with out spacer

[chapl]

dont buy any wheels with an offset more than +10. (closer to zero the better)

[Big T]

dont buy any wheels with an offset more than +10. (closer to zero the better)[/b]

That's not exactly sound advice either. For a 6.5" wide rim, anywhere up to +18/19 would be fine. Obviously the wider the rim gets, the lower the offset needs to be.

Eddie.

[chapl]

but why get rims with an offset like that?? thats the ghey...

[dori_86]

ha ha true! if it doesnt have some dish it will look weird on the 86 word!

[Big T]

Guess the offset?

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/105481.jpg

And on these too.
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/7943/holiday0335cd.th.jpg (http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=holiday0335cd.jpg)

Eddie.

[roadsailing]

from the side of the car? is this a trick?

hundreds?

[Big T]

It's a bit of a rhetorical question RoadSailing. I was just making the point that wheels dont have to have uber low/-ve offset to look good on a sprinter. The top ones are +19 and the longchamps are +18, both 6.5" wide. I think it's more important to have the CORRECT offset for the car rather then choosing one simply for looks. Unless you like changing your wheel bearings every few months http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

Eddie.

[RobertoX]

i certainly wouldnt wanna load up my hubs with brembos (JOKE)

[Big T]

Hahaha http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif point taken. But in return i get infinite stopping power... a worthwhile tradeoff i reckon. Maybe that's why i'm more concerned over loads on wheel bearings/hubs/stub axles. I'm trying to reduce as much load as i can since i know the brakes add heaps already.

Eddie.

[loarm]

So is everyone saying that 15x7 wheels with a offset +32 is a no go even with spacers attatched. Coz damn those Buddy Club rims are around that offset http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/7/5/4/536981.jpg

[Gilly]

they'd fit with spacers as long as they were 17mm spacers or higher

[slydar]

16x8 +38.. agree with everyone. no chance... but..




It's a bit of a rhetorical question RoadSailing. I was just making the point that wheels dont have to have uber low/-ve offset to look good on a sprinter. The top ones are +19 and the longchamps are +18, both 6.5" wide. I think it's more important to have the CORRECT offset for the car rather then choosing one simply for looks. Unless you like changing your wheel bearings every few months http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

Eddie.[/b]

this isnt exactly correct either. there are ALOT of 86's running lower offsets than youve mentioned, that have done ALOT of k's reliably. for sure the 86 stub axle/wheel bearings isnt huge. but the car isnt heavy either.

lower/negative offset rims WILL make your 86 handle better too, its not just for looks.

the lower offset does increase scrub radius, but from the research ive done as well as 1st hand experiance, there are no real "neagtive" effects. nothing most hachi drivers would call neagtive anyway.

the trend with newer cars is cetraintly a move towards higher and higher offset rims, but these vihicles serve an entirely differant purpose than what we use our cars for.

[Big T]

^^^ Fair call Slydar. As i said im probably more concerned with wheel loads than most due to my brake upgrade. Lower offset rims WILL increase load but whether or not it'll affect my setup is unknown and i'd prefer to play it safe.

The increase in track you mentioned could also be achieved through different means as well, eg negative RCAs and longer control arms. Of course if you've already got these mods and want even more track then -ve offset rims would be the way to go.

Eddie.

[slydar]

more - offset also makes room for more lock.

[RobertoX]

rims in the 80's even aussie ones were all

13 and 14x6-9 and in good offsets (think of some of the jelly beans and shit etc and hotwires)

now, everyone wants 18x6.5 +40 - this also has to do with where the hubs sit etc, but everyone wants that one inch bigger than everyone else, its like comparing dick sizes

[DRFT - 86]

Yes as hard as it is to believe I run 16x8's with 205/45's ok....... these were on the car when I bought it... they do sit in quite a bit and I intend to run spacers to push them out in the near future...
there is very little clearence between the front tire and the strut, but I have never had any clearence issues whatso ever in the last 2 years, the car has low kings also...
If anyone wants to certify the off-set, the rims are PCW Shogun's ..............
I worked the off-set out last time I had them off the car... and can garauntee that the off-set is +38
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16x8's with 45/205's +38 offset........... lowered a bit and nothing scrubs... ever.
clearence between the front struts tho is like a 8mm gap or so.[/b]

That i find a bit hard to believe. Are you definately sure on the offset? A picture to those unsure of how/why sprinters need low offset to prevent the left edge from hitting the struts...

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/105062.jpg

I know that sometimes an offset on one particular wheel may scrub while on another style it doesn't but +38 is massive. Do you have a pic of the wheels?

Eddie.
[/b]

[sus10]

we believe you.........

[DRFT - 86]

you may believe, but I have the feeling that some peeps dont..
meh.. whateva

[RobertoX]

are you running a spacer on the front?

pics?

[DRFT - 86]

No Dave no spacers...., I will get some pics up for you dis-believers in the nxt day or 2....

truth be told..
piece..

[devolutio]

to get those wheels to fit (nothing to do with the tyres) you would need 140mm of room between the hub face and the strut. someone go measure it. I'm a disbeliever but i'd love to be proven wrong.

[DRFT - 86]

well well, just went and took a few pics so use can sit there and ponder...... although it dosnt certify that they are +38, you can atleast see they way they fit....
As I said, I have measured them, there are no markings on the rims saying what off-set they are... but if you wana find out for sho.. then PCW Shogun in 16X8 is what you can look for if you want a definate answer.......

anyway biznitches... look for yourselfs...


Yes some serious dumping is on the cards...............

[race4ages]

ok what you have posted up shows some wheels with an obvious high offset, however you do not prove that the offest is actually +38. if you take a pic of you measuring the offset id believe you.

From the pictures it is clear the clearance is small, from my measurements, with an offset of +38 the distance from the rim hub to the edge of the rim (strut side) is 140mm. Therefore legitdrifts offset is lower than +38 or devolutio is incorrect in saying that the min distance from the hub to strut is 140mm.


ps the ride looks hott.

[DRFT - 86]

Hmm, you crazy fuks are making me sweat just to prove use wrong....lol
lets see now.... race4ages -----> snakizm.. you know if you would be so kind to lend me your lovely digi camera again to take these "extra shots you so kindly requested... then I guess I could rip a rim off in the next 24 hrs and give you the dead answer use want..... hmmm...

are you sure the distance from hub to strut is actually 140mm..?
another thing I will check also..

anyway.. wheneva I get around to it...
piece..............

[devolutio]

are you sure the distance from hub to strut is actually 140mm..?
another thing I will check also..[/b]

i didn't say it is... i said it needs to be to fit those rims. so it doesn't say the offset on the rims... does it say the width on there as well or is that assumed?

[DRFT - 86]

even if it was only 140mm from hub to strut..... the strut is on a slope, giving the clearence up top where the tire/rim edge is...........

and yes they are definatley 8" wide......... I know this for sure..

[Gilly]

totally unrelated but today i pulled the rims off the carina and measured the offset, "0"!!!!!! woohoo i was cheering so i chucked them on the ke70 to see what they look like. oh my god it was hot, both sides at the rear the tyres touch the guards and at the front they hangout a bit. but i have minimal camber. mrs is in Fiji with my digital camera so i gots no photo's!

[loarm]

Just wondering, what is the biggest size spacer you have seen fitted on a Sprinter, also pros and cons about spacers?

[devolutio]

i have -20 offset rims
i use +25offset rims on rear for drift rims as they dont fit on the front and they hit the struts[/b]

just out of curiosity rob, how wide are those +25 rims that dont fit on the front?

[race4ages]

I believe I have made a slight error with my ramblings.. apologise for talking shit, as I took my rims off today to fit some MA61 rims on the back to go for a strap... (gota love old ass rock solid tires lol, no grip at all)
anyway, the rims are 7" wide after all, never really thought they were as I was told by the previous owner they are 8" wide, and as they have 205 tires on them I was certain this was the case.... but to my surprise they are 7 so yeh there you go....... apologies to all.

I guess it pays to double check everything so you are 110% certain .....
looks like I will have to go and work the off-set on them out again.... will do this 2moro.....

[DRFT - 86]

oops.......... was logged in under race4ages... that was meant to be said by me.......

[klusio]

Ok my head is full of mush atm.

Im looking at buying a set of wheels 15x6.5 +22 offset
from the posts Ive read I think they will fit just?

think my XR4s 15x7 are +22 maybe 5-7mm clearance?

[DRFT - 86]

now Im getting confused....
measured my rims... from lip to lip it measures 210mm, making them more than 8" wide... wtf..?
As it says they are 7" wide on the rim, why is the width from egde to edge more than that......?
Is the width measurement taken some other way or something...?

anyway, so using these measurements, the center of the rim is 105mm.... now the off-set should be +17 as the hub is 122mm from the inside edge of the rim..........

wtf is going on............. this is bullshit confusing..

[DRFT - 86]

anyone know wtf is going on.....?

[driftae86]

on an ae86/ke70/ae71 no matter what the design of the rim is if they dont sit close to flush on the guard they are gay imo.....http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

if you are looking at getting wheels, put them on your car to see how they fit before you buy them. stay away from high positive offsets (ie. over 20). because the higher you go past 20 the worse the wheels start to look until you get to the point where they will hit the strut.

also, ride height and camber can effect how the wheels interact with the guards. take note of that.

my 2c

[DRFT - 86]

yes rims that dont sit right look fuked, my rims dont look too bad imo but I definatly want to get 25mm spacers all round to get them looking much nicer..... I plan on getting different rims somewhere down the track but for now Im gona chuck some spacers on......

Im still fukn confused about the measurements of them tho.....?

[GAKI86]

any below 10 is good.. negatives are win!!!