little bit more outer 4ac

[reg450]

i get my licence in a couple of months and i want a little bit of power from my 4ac and reading threw this forums ive noticed my 4ac doesnt go as good as some of the peoples rides in this forum what are some mods i can do anything for a little bit more power just to spin second on 16 by 7s dont mension engine transplants not doing this convertion for couple years


thanks guy cheers

[Shiri]

don't spend a cent on it... save every penny for a 4age

[reg450]

good point haha im just going to have to deal with it

[Granto]

hey well there's always lil things you can do while serivicing it to make it run that lil bit better http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

like getting one of those oldschool carby open element air filters are meant to help, but i've never tried this when I had a 4ac.

better engine oil helps (but i think this was mainly a psychological thing)

using good clean sparkplugs helps too..

and having it tuned is never bad, especially if you tune it for 98 octane and run it on that http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

but to spin the rears easier maybe pump them up really hard :]

Grant.

[Dori_Dori]

wow
can you run 98 octane feul in the 4ac????
Wont it make pinging noises in the car??
has any one tried 98 octane in a 4AC????

Cheers

[reg450]

ive done a complete service on it changed the dizzie to electronic new cap, rotor new ngk plugs penrite hpr30 oil, oil filter air filter fuel filter new bosch coil pack but tuning the carby i havent done i normaly run the car on shell100 it is running rich black smoke not alot but but the carby is proberbly letting me down ill c how i go after the carby tuning

[reg450]

ive had my car on 100 octane runs million times better then the cheap shit no noisers no pinging

[ru486]

I put that stuff in whenever I need to overtake http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Dori_Dori]

thanks guys


Cheers

[Granto]

this might sound stupid but the point i was just tyring to make is that getting it running to original spec might be all you're after.. rather than going out and upgrading the carbs or whatever..

i mean sure that'd help, but your carbs are probably wayyy outta tune. or dirty, blocked up otherwise not running right, that's all the point i was trying to make.

And yeah if it's running rich I'd say it'd be down on power just a tad http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Grant.

[bahnugget]

wow
can you run 98 octane feul in the 4ac????
Wont it make pinging noises in the car??
has any one tried 98 octane in a 4AC????

Cheers[/b]

on the contrary, typically the higher the octane the less likely a car is to ping... the upside with running higher octane fuel all the time is you can advance your timing a little further, will give a little more power

[reg450]

sounds like a plan to me ill see how i go hopefully success.

[darkon]

grab urself a pair of really sharp scizzors or preferabley a big knife. pop the hood. now running off a pully there should be your air con. slice the belt connected to your air con n theres an instant 7 horses or more for ur little 4ac. possibley add a pod filter will give you around 3 or 4 extra horsepower and adding a cannon'll give you another 3 or 4 and these 2 items can be re-used when u eventually get a DECENT engine for it. also another good idea would be weight reduction. just the standard things like strip the interior take out all unneccessary seating chipping off sound deadening n it should be noticeabley better. have fun man http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

[slide86]

here you go....do this

Turbo 4ac (http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7616)

trueno sedan is a member of these forums too. ask him some more questions bout it if you like

[bahnugget]

grab urself a pair of really sharp scizzors or preferabley a big knife. pop the hood. now running off a pully there should be your air con. slice the belt connected to your air con n theres an instant 7 horses or more for ur little 4ac. possibley add a pod filter will give you around 3 or 4 extra horsepower and adding a cannon'll give you another 3 or 4 and these 2 items can be re-used when u eventually get a DECENT engine for it. also another good idea would be weight reduction. just the standard things like strip the interior take out all unneccessary seating chipping off sound deadening n it should be noticeabley better. have fun man http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif[/b]

and dont forget to put lots of stickers on (+25hp), and of course neons (+50hp) http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif

[reg450]

lmao a turboed 4ac i love the idea ill have to do this just for a laugh but stripping interior would proberbly be the best idea and cold air intake

[klusio]

take the immissions gear off, advance the timing alittle, loose the front muffer.

easy budget ideas might improve performance the smallest bit.

[reg450]

ive taken out centre muffler and got cannon on it to runs better. immission gear????? not to shore of that one

[reg450]

im considering the turbo setup but not shore on turbo size can someone tell me a good size to use i can get a t25g off a sr20det redtop but im thinking it might be a little bit to big and does anybody have a parts list for the setup like turbo carby oil lines what was used exactly and how long do you recken the motor will last on stock boost 7psi thanks

[v-tec]

emission gear would be the filter and all that crap...

that turbo idea would be a good move if you not too keen on a 4age.
Talking to dave on msn and he really compares it to that of a 4agze, which is bloody good. would love to see the thing in action.

Basically yea, just advance the timing, muffler etc, just do every little thing you can thing of to get it a bit more

get a better carby even, and run the bastard on 98... rofl if you can afford the prices these days... i cant

[reg450]

true that

these fuel prices suck but id rather have some power then nothing
so ill stick with 98 octane mayby a octane booster as well lol na just kidding



ive decided to do the turbo setup

should take a couple weeks to source the parts but im going to do it ill keep you all posted as time goes by

[slide86]

try a turbo from a ca18det or an rb20det.

one of these should suit your application. i may be able to get you a smallish turbo, ill have to see if its still in my other shed. if its there then ill let you know bout price.

it will also help to get a decent carby setup. either a carby designed for drawthrough or a SU type setup.

[reg450]

what about the sigma turbo carby would that be good to use or no good
i can get a t25g of sr20 is this good or bad to use on this setup

[slide86]

both would be good. especially the carby.

im not sure on when the boost would start coming in strong with that turbo on a 1.6lt. would probably do the job tho.

as they say "its all trial and error"

[Course_Out]

If you want a touch more power without spending a cent heres what to do - get the lid of your air cleaner (stocker) and put it on backwards. The rubber seal still sits on the filter so u dont end up with unfiltered air going through it either. You will need to lose the clips that are supposed to hold the lid down as well or they will rattle and drive you insane!

Another thing that I did was removed the snorkel of the front of the air cleaner (undid the top 2 screws then snapped it off at the bottom). You will need to block off the choke type thing or emissions crap or whatever it is in the snorkel as well, I stuck an old screw in the vacuum line to take care of that.

Opens it up heaps in the top end, will even go to 7500rpm if your brutal enough (and I am at times). For the price of 5 minutes and an old screw you can't go far wrong!

[reg450]

If you want a touch more power without spending a cent heres what to do - get the lid of your air cleaner (stocker) and put it on backwards. The rubber seal still sits on the filter so u dont end up with unfiltered air going through it either. You will need to lose the clips that are supposed to hold the lid down as well or they will rattle and drive you insane!

Another thing that I did was removed the snorkel of the front of the air cleaner (undid the top 2 screws then snapped it off at the bottom). You will need to block off the choke type thing or emissions crap or whatever it is in the snorkel as well, I stuck an old screw in the vacuum line to take care of that.

Opens it up heaps in the top end, will even go to 7500rpm if your brutal enough (and I am at times). For the price of 5 minutes and an old screw you can't go far wrong![/b]


lmao tryed this and it has been very good but 7500rpm no way this is my daily for a year or so i wont be hitting this rpm lmao the turbo wont be happaning having a hard time sourcing parts. is $200 a bit to much for a t25g turbo with no actuator and no dumppipe?

[RobertoX]

turbo 4ac is no good for a daily driver

[Course_Out]

Yeah I don't recommend going to 7500rpm on a regular basis. My water pump gasket blew yesterday and I think that may have been the reason (w/pump spinning to buggery at this rpm) but a bottle of stop leak fixed it! 6500 is about as hard as you really need to push it in my opinion, that said mine has a stocker exhaust as well, will prob be getting an exhaust system in the next few weeks, will let you know how it goes.

Again, an exhaust is something that can be reused when you move up to a 4age if you do it right so it's not like your wasting money.

[RobertoX]

put a small nos kit on it - seriously

[reg450]

nos thats a bit extream i was after legal power. ill just put a bottle of metho in my tank seems to work good http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif lol about the exhaust what is recomended size for 4ac but at the same time will suit a 4age or mayby 4agte im thinking 2-1/2 inch




by the way thanks guys for all your input has helped alot http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

[Course_Out]

No worries mate, love keeping the old 4ac's going hard, lol

The 4ac would probably only need a 2 inch system, but if it's only temporary and you were using a 4age in the future I would go 2 1/4. A 2 1/2 might be too big for a 4ac and make it real sluggish down low. That said I'm just pulling this from work I've done on other cars, but it should be applicable to the mighty 4a motors

[damo101]

yea the snorkel off was pretty good..i didnt block the other line though..got alittle bit more response out of it..

[reg450]

ive decided to make a box that will sit on top of the carby with a 4inch inlet then im going to make the pipe go down sit in the bottem left were the vertex bars have an opening im gonna put pod filter right there cold air intake sounds good to me cant go wrong all stainless mandrel bends high air flow and cold air intake will cost me nothing and labour well im making it so freebies on to a 4ac sound good

[Course_Out]

That sounds liek some uber effort for the old 4ac! You have got to post a pic when you do that

[reg450]

ive deffently have to much time on my hand lol. ill most deff post pics up.

[Dems]

I had a 32/36 DGV Webber on my old 4AC, had enough power to kick the arse out slapping second in the dry with 15x8's. Lawson can vouch on the effectiveness of these webbers on 4AC's.

[RobertoX]

man if you are going to that much trouble and using stainless you may as well do a turbo set up

as for webers it was sik as for $50


ive decided to make a box that will sit on top of the carby with a 4inch inlet then im going to make the pipe go down sit in the bottem left were the vertex bars have an opening im gonna put pod filter right there cold air intake sounds good to me cant go wrong all stainless mandrel bends high air flow and cold air intake will cost me nothing and labour well im making it so freebies on to a 4ac sound good[/b]

[reg450]

its not alot of trouble with the stainless because welding is easy plus materials free cant go wrong and this weber setup were can i get one from or does anybody wanna sell one to me? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

[Course_Out]

Those webers came standard on 6 cylinder xd-xf falcons and I think 6 cylinder Cortinas?

Finding one at the wreckers shouldn't be too hard, seen them used on a few fwd 4ac's round my place, they go well, you will just need to knock up an adaptor plate.

[reg450]

sweet but im ovr thst idea lol i just started my cold air intake today i finished the box too adapt to the carby now got to do the 3inch pipe work for the pod to the front thanks (course out) for the help

[darkon]

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grab urself a pair of really sharp scizzors or preferabley a big knife. pop the hood. now running off a pully there should be your air con. slice the belt connected to your air con n theres an instant 7 horses or more for ur little 4ac. possibley add a pod filter will give you around 3 or 4 extra horsepower and adding a cannon'll give you another 3 or 4 and these 2 items can be re-used when u eventually get a DECENT engine for it. also another good idea would be weight reduction. just the standard things like strip the interior take out all unneccessary seating chipping off sound deadening n it should be noticeabley better. have fun man http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif[/b]

and dont forget to put lots of stickers on (+25hp), and of course neons (+50hp) http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tongue.gif
[/b]
dont diss me cuz im a ricer http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif TURN UR CAR INTO A CONVERTABLE THAT'LL SAVE LOTS OF WEIGHT http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[reg450]

finished my cold air in take built the box to sit on the carby run pod with pipe to front im wrapped looks good sounds better goes harder here is some piksssssssssss

[DRFT - 86]

Ahah nice lil set-up man.........

[Course_Out]

That looks tops mate! Well done!

[roadsailing]

uh, you do know that pod filters suck air in from the otside too right? that is less of a cold air intake than the original setup.

[RobertoX]

the skin on the rice pudding is still safe

[DRFT - 86]

the skin on the rice pudding is still safe[/b]

AHAHA........ what a beautiful statement Dave... I think Im gona wake up in the middle of the nite in a laughing fit 2nite... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[damo101]

good work man....i think u should put an airbox around the cone filter n then hook up the CAI hose to the airbox..

[reg450]

yeah very true im still going to get underbonnet heat so ill have to buildi might gwt a chepy cda box

[damo101]

chuck some dry ice in the airbox as well http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif

[reg450]

chuck some dry ice in the airbox as well http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif[/b]

lmao i like your thinking cant get any colder then that hahaha good on ya



cheers

[reg450]

took the lil sprinter for a drive today huge difrence in driving it more resposne smother threw the rev range and more power threw the rev range but could do with a carby tune up at low revs then punching bogs out for a seccong then shoots off im very happy woot http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[DRFT - 86]

Honestly man....... No 1 is happy with a 4ac..... hehe ---- although the slight improvement may have satisfied you for a day or 2..

[reg450]

i got to deal with it for a year orsoso illpretend that is good other wise ill accidentaly blow it up so i can get 4agte

[damo101]

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif im happy with my 4ac ...in hot countries some people put dry ice in their airbox..they got 2 or 3 hp s out of it..

[reg450]

hahaha i like that

[damo101]

yea..u should try after u get the airbox..if u want weight reductions just take all the metal crap just on the under side of the bonnet..the metal bits dat make the bonnet stiffer..the bonnet is heavy http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif ..but i dont know if thats legal or not
btw u have pm

[Course_Out]

Hey cmesld my 4ac has the exact same problem, liek hesitates for a second when I hit the throttle, even if I go really easy. Anyone know how to fix it?

[roadsailing]

4AGE

[reg450]

Hey cmesld my 4ac has the exact same problem, liek hesitates for a second when I hit the throttle, even if I go really easy. Anyone know how to fix it?[/b]

hey man i think its just the carbyneeds a tune i never had the problem till i put this new setup i no my car is running way to rich for this setup to much fuel because to much air need to lean it out ill let ya no how i go with it names troy btw http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

[damo101]

um mines running a little bit rich as well..but some1 said i cant really lean it out..theres only the idle controler screw which adjusts the idle mixture..so i havent done anything to it coz my idle is fine and its only a little bit rich

[ae71]

yea its safer to run it a bit rich than a bit lean. if you lean it out to much it may and will eventualy detonate. detonation comes after pinging.. but if it is too rich, it will be slugish and have no power. take a bit to get it right.

[reg450]

but how rich is rich my plugs are black and black smoke out the rear end not heap but a little bit plugs are 2 months old i barly drive the car as i dont have my licence

[damo101]

^^leave that to the experts to answer http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif

[mattysshop]

you know you prolly could get a bit more out of it... not to mention fuel economy and smoothness.. if you converted to a FWD 4AC electronic dizzy, ran a high output coil (like a GT40 or something) iridium plugs if you can.. give it a good old carby cleanover the whole carby.. and inside ofcourse.. (befor you change the plugs http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif ) new cap/rotor button/leads.. and bring up the timing.. all that is just rutene mateinance anyway... cept for the electronic ignition.. fuel filter also http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

you'd prolly spend a little over $100 but just by keeping everything fresh like that.. will keep it nice and smooth..

with the dizzy would be about $40 or so.. just say it's from a bucket o shit corolla in the back corner.. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif adjectives always help with the price..

[reg450]

i got electronic dizzi also got the upgrade coil pack to suit removed resistor i think more on the carby side of things and iridum plugs fro 4ac thats spoiling the motor to much money for plugs lol the plugs alone worth more then the engine hahaha thanks guys thanks mattyshops

[Course_Out]

with the dizzy would be about $40 or so.. just say it's from a bucket o shit corolla in the back corner.. adjectives always help with the price..[/b]

Mattys a pro at this obviously, lol.

Remember, you get shit cheaper if you pull it yourself, I'm getting way too good at stripping Corollas/Celicas/etc............

[mattysshop]

hahaha... i walked in once empty handed just to have a looksee at what was there... pulled an electronic dizzy out of an 18RG that was just lying there... (read RARE) wrapped it in a rag i found in the back of a corona... walked up to the counter and said 'i've looked everywhere in the yard, do you have any of these' the guy looked puzzled at it.. and said no.... soo soo very dissapointed i walked out with the dizzy.. hahaha.. suckers.. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif that or just throw it over the fence usually works http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[AE86_4life]

hey dude reckon u should teach me to build the same box 4 my AE86 4ac, im like you i turn 18 in like 3 months so got no cash left 4 a 4age conversion. Also iv seen a 4ac with simply just a v6 crome airfilter on it that does a simmular job and its cheaper and easyier.

[reg450]

hey dude reckon u should teach me to build the same box 4 my AE86 4ac, im like you i turn 18 in like 3 months so got no cash left 4 a 4age conversion. Also iv seen a 4ac with simply just a v6 crome airfilter on it that does a simmular job and its cheaper and easyier.[/b]

hey man whats goin on it sucks haven no licence i got another 6months loll hshs im so cut lol anywaystheres really nothing to making it all u need is a tap mesure 9inch grinder 4inch grinder with grinding disc, electric drill and alot of time on your hand 2mm thick plate a pod adaptor from you local auto pro http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif and a welder if you no how to weld your on your way and ull be up couple of nights make shore its got no leaks when u finish it oviously you gonna have 2 holes for the carby and the outlet thats about it really good luck man http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/2thumbs.gif

[hinricp]

can anyone tell me whats that small filter thingy called ? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/crazy.gif

[reg450]

can anyone tell me whats that small filter thingy called ? http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/crazy.gif[/b]


ay man its just a uni filter with like a 10 mm hole go to your local auto shope ask for a rocket cover filter my is a TFI FILTER thats the brand

[mattysshop]

rocket cover...

hahaha sorry, nearly fell off my chair.. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif rocker/tappet/cam cover is what they are called.. crank case breather is also another word, they vent the crank case gas into the emmisions setup to be reburnt.. thats why when you undo them they get a bit of an oily smell after a good fanging

[Course_Out]

I get asked for rocket cover gaskets all the time at work, its an easy mistake, lol

I only flame if the person happens to be a tool (lucky I like you cmesld)

[mattysshop]

hehe yeh i know, i wasn't flaming him.. far from it http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif all jokes till somone looses an eye...

[Course_Out]

Tis cool matty, we all know you bring the love

[mattysshop]

LOL... if it gets cold enough http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

[Course_Out]

Is it cold enough Matty? lol.

For some odd reason my 4ac is running brilliantly today, what's up with that? Do carbs really have a mind of their own or what? (The 71 is my first carby car by the way)

[reg450]

lol ive always called it rocket cover at work all guys at work call em that all well all same shit to me soooooo all good

[hinricp]

heres my attempt thanks to cmelds not finish yet as i need to do some welding and make one of the pipes shorter looks crazy http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

[[MET]]

looks really good! nice work!

only problem the piping and filter is worth more than the engine! lol

[reg450]

lookn very good mn but how you ataching it to the carby

[Course_Out]

My god you guys have clean engine bays, i have dirt and zip ties all over the place in mine!

[roadsailing]

man, you need to get rid of that 4AC,

i don;t even have metal piping on my 4AGE, i'm using two 45 degree PVC pipe bends

[reg450]

lmao the thing is i can get the pipe shit cheap but i cant get a 4age cheap cheap lmao

[hinricp]

lookn very good mn but how you ataching it to the carby[/b]

how did u do it ?

im was going to weld it up but i cant think of anything else that would work

[reg450]

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lookn very good mn but how you ataching it to the carby[/b]

how did u do it ?

im was going to weld it up but i cant think of anything else that would work
[/b]

i built abox that sits on the carby with a out let that connect to my plumbing

[roadsailing]

cmesld, where did you get the piping if you don't mind me asking? said PVC needs to be replaced with something that isnt PVC

[reg450]

cmesld, where did you get the piping if you don't mind me asking? said PVC needs to be replaced with something that isnt PVC[/b]


hey roadsailing my pipe is from my work u can get it from any autoshop like auto pro its autotecnica universal intercooler piping i got a straight peice anfd cut it in half but yeah all of its from autopro the flexi hose i used from the pod to go to the front of the car from the brand called TFI they make pods and all the air filter stuff..

[DRFTAE86]

And with this new intake.... where is ur radiator overflow bottle and water wash bottle?

[reg450]

And with this new intake.... where is ur radiator overflow bottle and water wash bottle?[/b]

hey dude go to page 3 and ull c but if your talking about edison i have no idea were he put it lmaoo

[hinricp]

haah well i had to take it out to fit the piping

[reg450]

hey edison how you goin to attach your setup to the carby and how much was your piping

[Javal]

Make me one for my Xt130 free of charge?

was worth a shot.

Javal.

[reg450]

lmao good on ya dude nice try but

[Javal]

^Anything is worth a shot if no harm comes of it.

[killjoy112]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Weber-32-36-DGV-dow...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Weber-32-36-DGV-downdraft-carburettor-new_W0QQitemZ260007139260QQihZ016QQcategoryZ72469Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)


http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/blink.gif not a nice price but i could live with it if it were $300less http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/laugh.gif

[reg450]

i would never spend that much for 4ac motor just go wreckers ask for a 1 then go your local auto shop and get a carby kit some degresser and there ya go

[reg450]

well now i got a 4age so no need to worrie about 4ac power now lol