AE86 newbie looking for engine info.

[balistic]

I'm looking at options for setting up an AE86 track car. Currently I'm just gathering info so I know what I need when the time comes to do something about it. You will have to forgive my total lack of AE86 knowledge - i'm coming from a WRX(EJ20T) and Nissan(RB's) background and have never fiddled with a Toyota!

So far I gather that the 4AGE engine is the go on a budget? Coming from racing a slightly modified WRX, which manages to get around a race track reasonably quickly, I'm thinking an old 1.6l atmo engine isnt quite going to do it for me http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/sad.gif so a turbo would be on the cards!

I see 4AGTE thrown around a bit - now I'm assuming this was not a factory turbo engine but a 4AGE with a turbo bolted on? If so - is it better to start with the 4AGE or the 4AGZE(super charged) engine if I have intentions of turbo charging it?

I'll more than likely have more questions after these are answered - cheers guys http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

[sprintrphile]

go the gze = forged pistons & already setup for boost.

a well setup 20v will give around 90rwkw which is fun in a stripped 86! i rate the sound of the quads over a humming V8!

gte would have more output but has more to go wrong (esp when 20v's are under a grand to replace).

then there's the nissan jobbies.... http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ninja.gif

[AmyC]

Here is some info for ya. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/tup.gif

http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_pa...A-GZE_specs.htm (http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_pages/4A-GZE_specs.htm)

[rthy]

i would think nissan would be a better base to work off, such as s13 because of the wide range of parts available...

but then again

This saturday 20th is round 5 of the Victorian Club Rally Series at Wangaratta. With 55 entries and 2 Toyota Sprinters (Matt Douglas car 2, Myself (Richard Gill) car 47) running in the top 5 it promises to be a hard fought battle against the WRX's and EVO's and yes we do beat them![/b]

[balistic]

I've got my heart set an 86 - I just think they are neat looking package for a cheap race car. At the moment I am just scouting information and am still undecided as to what I should eventually do but am starting to piece together a picture!

Ok so I have a bit of an understanding between the AGE and the AGZE. I'm thinking I might pick up a cheap AGE block and head someone has lying around and rebuild it with AGZE pistons and rods. I can do this whilst I'm looking around for a cheap 86 body - for the body I dont want anything in really good condtion as it will most probably be stripped and caged.

Next question - the heads! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I know there is a 16v head and a later 20v head. Which is best for a turbo application? I assume the 16v head is easier and cheaper to come by? Also big port and small port heads? I've read differing opinions as to which is best for what http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/dry.gif

Thanks for the info so far guys, great stuff! That link was great I'm still reading through the info so sorry if some of what I have asked here is covered on that website.

[Dxaqta]

ae86s are hardly cheap cars

[balistic]

ae86s are hardly cheap cars[/b]

I'm starting to find that out! But to put it into perspective, my original thoughts were to import a WRX Type R STI for a track car - AE86 is cheap by comparison! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif Whack a turbo on it and sort the suspension out and it should give a few modified WRX's a run for their money for a fraction of the price it would cost to set-up a WRX for racing? Well thats what I'm trying to work out at the moment anyhow http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/huh.gif

[rthy]

the turbo is the least of ur problems, what about the suspension and brakes?

do a search and u will find more info

[Dxaqta]

also a diff

also some sort on inbuilt rose jointed 4 link setup or wats linkage to handle the 170-200 kw power output it sounds like u will be aiming for

[redsprinter]

i say if you like drving and racing with a rex then go and look for a r32 gtr. better for track use. look in car yards cause i hooked up my cuzin with a monster gtr from jap tuned with all tomei goodies and was semi-track ready.

ae86 are good cars but if you want to really keep up with everyone else on the track you will need power and the handling to go with it. once you get power from a sprinter everything needs an upgrade.

gtr r32 were built for track. or if you want even turbo mr2, mid enigne cars are also great for track use.

the intial cost for a gtr or mr2 is more but down the track it will be less of a headache and less money spent. spend more time perfecting your trakc skills and getting faster track time.

[Dxaqta]

thats not 100% correct r32 gtrs are very expensive to maintain... parts can be found easily but are still fairly expensive... also look at the cost of rebuild fuck me dead 5gs for a rebuild for a fairly stock rb26det...


turbo mr2 would be a fun track car but takes lots of fucken skill to drive... and to setup

the moral of the story is its pretty hard to have a budget track car... shit jsut breaks when its pushed past the limits....

just my 2 and a half cents

[balistic]

Yep, I race with a few GTR's currently, everything from R32 - R34. They definitely arent cheap to race!

To give ya's an idea - I have been racing my 2000 model WRX for last 3 years in club sprints with about 7-8 meets a year. The car is also my daily driver. These races are mainly just sprints(ie. lap times) and there are different classes so its not like your 'competing' against WRX's and GTR's directly.

Usually what happens in the past is guys like me have a bit of fun in their road regisitered cars until it gets to the stage where either you want to get a bit more serious or its getting too hard to race and maintain a road registered car. At this stage those with money go for a dedicated WRX track car(import or locally set-up) - or the less financially backed guys(like me), buy a cheap bomb and slowly build it up, for instance a few guys lately have retired their WRX's from track duties and purchased VB Commodores! Dont laugh - one of these VB's laps quicker than a lot of the WRX's we get out there! Other cars I have noticed are LJ Torana's, Datsun 1600's.. you get the idea. Half the fun at this stage is developing the car up from a piece of sh*t to something that will embarass a WRX/GTR driver on the track http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wink.gif

Now a VB Commodore may fit the budget criteria but I dont see it as a good base for a track car! As mentioned, I've liked the Hachi Roku's for a while and after watching the JDM Racers episode of Best Motoring and seeing how much fun they looked to drive hard on the track I was sold! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/wub.gif

I intend to race my WRX for the at least the next 12 months but would like to start working on a something else to eventually use in its place, so I'm thinking I'll start putting together a 4AGE and turbo package, I'll keep an eye out for a cheap shell with a shagged engine and then mate the two together and start working on the rest of the car? Well thats my thinking at the moment anyhow.

[lo_rolla]

You sound like you have money. Do some thing original then.

Get yourself a 7AFE bottom end and chuck a 20V head on that...Be sure to rebuild the bottom end though. The rods and pistons in a 7A won't take too much prolonged abuse.


Think about a high compression, quad throttled, 1762cc 20V monster. (or 1894cc at 0.040'' oversize)

[balistic]

You sound like you have money. Do some thing original then.

Get yourself a 7AFE bottom end and chuck a 20V head on that...Be sure to rebuild the bottom end though. The rods and pistons in a 7A won't take too much prolonged abuse.


Think about a high compression, quad throttled, 1762cc 20V monster. (or 1894cc at 0.040'' oversize)[/b]

...nah I dont have a lot of money - which is one of the reasons I'm looking at replacing the WRX with the AE86 as my track car. I want to get a bit more serious with the racing but its just too expensive to do it in the WRX and impossible to do it with a car that I need to get me to work on Monday! So I need a cheap way to satisfy my racing habit. This car will most probably be trailered to the track so I dont want to spend a lot of money on a car that just sits in my driveway 98% of the time. If it was my daily driver and only car - then yeah I would be able to spend some decent money on it.

[Dxaqta]

...nah I dont have a lot of money - which is one of the reasons I'm looking at replacing the WRX with the AE86 as my track car. I want to get a bit more serious with the racing but its just too expensive to do it in the WRX and impossible to do it with a car that I need to get me to work on Monday! So I need a cheap way to satisfy my racing habit. This car will most probably be trailered to the track so I dont want to spend a lot of money on a car that just sits in my driveway 98% of the time. If it was my daily driver and only car - then yeah I would be able to spend some decent money on it.[/b]

if thats the case you should buy AJPS turbod boat anchor(4ac) ae71