KE70 vs AE71 vs AE86 differences

[Quinn]

I've just resently sold my 180sx to start a new drift car, was looking at the AE86 but is a little too pricy as a base (sold the 180 cause it was costing to much), so the 70 series rolla is seemingly the next best thing (if i can get a similar result without as big a outlay for the shell), I'm not in some fairyland thinking they are the exact same, just want to know how similar they really are as far as parts compatablity and what can be done pretty easy.

I've heard a lot of different stuff on this topic (some that i know is clearly BS) and want to know how much of it is true before i start and realise that it not the way i thought it was.

Any related answer would be a great help.

Plus I love the retro 4 door styling of the KE70 http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/cool.gif

Sorry if this is a stupid question to some but the toyota is not my strong point, (I'm not a young kid either)

[japlish]

i'll give you a headstart if you like.
since i've owned both types http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

suspension: you can use the complete setup from a ae86 into either
ae71 or ke70.
ae86 front springs/shocks dont fit factory ke70/ae71 struts without modification.
ae86 front brakes are bigger than ke70/ae71 although ae71 wagon brakes i've heard are the same as ADM ae86's.
JDM ae86 brakes are slightly bigger and are vented.

ae71 and ae86 crossmembers are EXACTLY the same, but can be put straight into
a ke70 with no problems.

ae71,ke70 have the same diff (yuk) ae86 has a s series (stronger but still yuk) they both have the same external mounts so can be swaped over.

ae71,ae86 gearbox's are the same, JDM ae86 bellhousings have the clutch slave cylinder on the drivers side.

that should get you started for now. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/cool.gif

[Quinn]

thanks japlish for that respond, the diff was one i was unsure about, good to hear that they share the same mounts and swap easy.
Cheers mate.


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[ke70dave]

dunno if this is the right place to ask

but regarding an AE71, is a AE71 AUTO tail shaft the same as a MANUAL tailshaft?

[Gilly]

4AGE into a 70

4ageintoke70 (http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/index.php?showtopic=10037)

like Japlish said, 70 and 71 struts are different to 86, they have a smaller diameter strut tube and there are no decent shocks available in that smaller diameter. coilovers designed for a Ae86 will fit but you will need the AE86 steering arms as the sapcing is different between 70/71 and AE86.

you can also use S13 coilovers in the front, this article was for an AE86 but also will fit 70/71

S13 Coilovers into Ae86 (http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/index.php?showtopic=7089)

got some info on diffs here as well.

Diff Info (http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/index.php?showtopic=7038)

[rthy]

No factory foot rest in the ke70 and ae71

[Quinn]

Sorry if this is not in the right section to post this question. Could someone who can, move it to a more appropreiate section and inform me where it was moved to.

Thanks QUINN http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/7/5/4/536981.jpg

[Gilly]

all good Quinn this is the right section.

KE70Dave = wrong section, he has a new question and asked it in your thread

him wrong, you right

however being the good humoured bunch we are its not a big deal, or at least it shouldn't be. Dave, nio idea mate sorry, i would be doubtful that it is though, also i doubt they would be the same lenghth .

[ke70dave]

sorry gilly, thanks for the reply though, i didnt think it was worth a new thread as it was a yes/no sort of answer, and figured it was related to 70/71/86 differences

i shall make a new thread for any more Q's i have http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[AmyC]

KE70's had a cable clutch so if you want a T-50 from a AE86/71 you will need to swap over the pedal box's to get the clutch master and if it was auto to get the 3 pedal.

AE71 wagons have a leaf spring rear end.

KE70/AE71 front ends are interchangable.

[rthy]

ae71 wagons also had the ae86 front struts

[Quinn]

Sweet thanks guys for the replys

How about overall weight and balance of the cars. Obviously the 70 & 71 are about the same ish and i would assume that the corollas are heavier cause are older and have more steel in them, would i be correct in thinking that.

And how light can the corollas get.

What about the steering system. Boxes or Racks?

[Gilly]

rack same as 86

weight should be very similar, they are only a few years older than an 86.

you would pull a simialr amount of weight out of a 70 if you stripped it like hachi owners do, everyone has their own opinion as to how much shit weights so there is no definate figure.

[Hen is a total nutcase]

KE70 and AE86 racks are interchangeable, but not the same.

KE70 has 1 less tooth on the rack and so about 10mm less rack movement. This means slightly less lock... which is a definite downfall for all the fooli h3k7ik y0 dorift0zors out there.

However apart from this a KE70 rack will mount up to, and work fine in an AE86.

Hen

[Jason]

just for curiosity sake how similar are the ae86 to the ae71 chassis, i herd that there are some differences?

[andru_g]

how bout the brake master and boooster?

[AmyC]

I think my AE71 wagon brake booster is slightly bigger than my KE70 sedan one but i will check whens its light out. Brake masters seem to be the same.

[driftke70]

ke70 has a lighter more rigid chassis than an 86 hatch, they also have a lower center of gravity.

they have also proven that they are dead sexy in comparison.

[Gilly]

boosters are different masters the same.

both boosters work in either car.

HOT TIP if you run quads and have issues with trumpets hitting the 86 booster, use a KE70 booster they are smaller diameter, and free up a bit of space.

[rileymoore05]

sorry if this is a bit off topic, but ive searched for info on this site and found nothing. is it possible that with some modifications, ae86 front pannels (guards, lights, bonnet, bar) will fit onto a ae71?
i have heard of this before but not shure if its B.S or not. anyone??

[driftke70]

ive seen it done, fit wasnt the best.

[rileymoore05]

do u know where? which site?
i read something on a forum ages ago but couldnt rember which one.
now i own a ae71 wish i could rember.
i dont want a show car finish. just want something different

[driftke70]

i saw a picture off this page.

ill try and dig it up

[LordNafe]

As far as I know, AE71, KE70's are lighter than 86's? A good 50kg or so?
AE86's are much sexier though http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[v-tec]

If it has Ae in the front its just got sexiness as its middlename

ie aesexiness71 or aesexiness86

I think theres alot of confusion of which is better, the ae86 or ae71 for drifting. I would say for circuit, sprints etc the ae86 is winner hands down(talking chasis wise)

I would have to say it would be very interesting to see a ae86 and a ae71 built with the exact same motor, engine components and suspension parts and setup and see which comes out as the proven better.

This said, the reason the ae71 has been called better for drift is that it is stiffer in the rear due to having a boot instead of hatch. so i would say that the ae86 coupe would come out better of the two for drift due to its stiffness in the rear

[rthy]

i would think the ae71/ke70 would be alot more softer, iv noticed that thinner metal is used on them and most already have kinda twisted bodies...
also the cabin in the sedan is bigger with small thin pillars for sik body flex

and ke70's are lighter because of the 4kc & k50 motors

iv owned 2 ae71's and 1 ke70 (+wrecker 3 ae71's)

did i mention that they also have no foot rest?

[driftke70]

t50 and 4age are lighter than 4kc and k50 http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[AmyC]

did i mention that they also have no foot rest?[/b]

Cut up some alloy or some steel and make your own, Gavclassic on rollaclub did for his khana car.

[Quinn]

Thank guy for all the info, i've decided on the KE70 and I got KE70 on friday night, Its silver (once metallic apparently) A little bit of rust in the assual places, and was $420, what a steal cause some people have been asking rediculous prices ($4500 for a completly stocko KE70) http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/crazy.gif

The only disapointment is, i wanted a flat nose KE70 but this is the later one with the slant AE71 front. But i should be able to find someone (maybe AE86DC) to do a front swap with, All my front panel are straight and clean if anyone is interested http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

What section would i post up a front end swap.

[Gilly]

^^^^^^wanted to buy section.

[driftke70]

"i wanted a flat nose KE70 but this is the later one with the slant AE71 front"

thats deep.

[shinny]

hope this isn't too much of a n00by question, but i couldn't find the answer anywhere,

does anyone know if an ae71 pedal box bolts up to an ae86??

[MountainRunner]

arnt they the same

[mikewestphoto]

No, not same.

May work but never took to either with a tape measure.

[tetsujin]

I can safely say, that a Ke70 pedal box and a AE86 pedal box are completly different and wont swap over to either car.

the AE86 one, is in 2 parts and the Ke70 one bolts to the steering coloum and the AE86 on bolts to the bar that runs the length of the dash.

NOT THE SAME!! :D

And re this thread, I have a KE70 (but its not Aus spec its United Kingdom spec! :)) and not everything fits as it should do on mine.
Here are a few things I round out on mine.....


• Front adj camber strut tops not the same diamiter as ae86, so had to use KP style one insted but this is only on early KE70 here.

• AE86 radiator not direct fit, bots to car differently (AE86 has brackets to bolt them on, so these need to be made if running a AE86 radiator.

• AE71 gearbox x member not a direct fit had to widesn hole abou 1 cm to get bolt through.

• AE86 fuel tank not direct swap into KE, need to modfiy filler neck to fit KE.

• AE86 seats do ot fit KE, they are about 1cm out on one bolt hole.

• KE70 hubs and brakes not the same as AE86 items and need AE86 steering arms to fit.

• Heater hoses are diferent so when adding a 4age one of them is upside down (easy problem to fix)

• JDM quad lights do not fit flat front - front ends, without minor mods.



this i know that DO WORK!!! :D

• Once a ae86 xmember is is, the 4age bolts in nice and gearbox clears tunnel just like ae86.

• AE86 rear axel a direct swap but no rear arb on KE70's

• You need a ae71 pedal box to run a 4age with T50 and makes it easy to do the T50 with hydrolic clutch.

• Ae86 rear suspension a direct swap.

• T50 lines up perfect with a Ke (manual) tunnel and no cutting required.

• propshaft is the same length on a KE as a ae86 so no problems there.

• 14x8j wheels suit KE's best! :D

• Ke70, with 4age work, and look 100's better than a AE86! :D


hope this helps anyone... :)

[shinny]

hope this isn't too much of a n00by question, but i couldn't find the answer anywhere,

does anyone know if an ae71 pedal box bolts up to an ae86??[/b]

bump.
cause no one actually answered my question....

[Javal]

Okay, to sum it up.

PANEL VANS, NOT WAGONS came with the same struts / brakes / steering rack / diff as an ADM sprinter.


Feel free to correct me on any of these matters.

Javal.

[Javal]

<{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=364941)
hope this isn't too much of a n00by question, but i couldn't find the answer anywhere,

does anyone know if an ae71 pedal box bolts up to an ae86??[/b]

bump.
cause no one actually answered my question....
[/b]

No they don't.

Tetsujin did actually answer your question.

[slide86]

i would think the ae71/ke70 would be alot more softer, iv noticed that thinner metal is used on them and most already have kinda twisted bodies...
also the cabin in the sedan is bigger with small thin pillars for sik body flex[/b]


yeah ive also heard they dont have as many chassis rails. :lol:

[aleksau]

I'm a suspension retard and am keen to learn what AE86 gear and be used on a KE70 to set it up to slide.

coilovers - check
Pillow Ball Tension Rods ???

What else?


Cheers, Alex.

[shinny]

ok maybe i missed something

but do AE71 brake setups meet up to AE86 strut stub axles??

i know it needs 86 steering knuckles but do i need 86 discs, calipers and bearings as well??

because i've got coilovers to go in mine and want to know if i can fit my struts to the gf's 71?

[Javal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shinny @ Oct 31 2007, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=429143)</div>
ok maybe i missed something

but do AE71 brake setups meet up to AE86 strut stub axles??

i know it needs 86 steering knuckles but do i need 86 discs, calipers and bearings as well??

because i've got coilovers to go in mine and want to know if i can fit my struts to the gf's 71?[/b]

Not too sure on that one, but i'd imagine the brake mounting bracket is different between the 71 and 86 strut.