AE86 Front Suspension...

[Dan_AE86]

So i did a search, but didn't find what i was after and thought id state a thread so everyone can see the title and know whats in it!!!!! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

So questions:

i want i low front (and rear but wrong thread for it) suspension setup...
options ive found so far...: http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/dry.gif
- Front Coilovers: custom made (sleeve style using existing strut!) or expensive brand names!
- shorten strut (cut it down) and use standard spring style
- just use king springs super lows (more like super highs!!)
- Cut front springs to a good height, then watch the road for bumps that will make them jump from there seat!!!! http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/huh.gif

ones that seem good are the coilover sleeve style, but coilovers will only but used (in my car) once to get the right height...

also spring rates....i think i want 6kg fronts and 4kg rears....use is a daily (70kms a day for work, then cruzing..), drift more than circuit/hillclimb!!

So any ideas Men and Women of AE86DC???

Dan.
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[Jonny Rochester]

I will start a proper front sus article soon. Unless someone else wants to go through and find everything of value that has been said. Plus pictures and measurements of making coilovers would be good. Just to make it plain and clear to save all the questions later. I will take pics of mine soon, making another set.

[Driftspec]

Try here first up, I think it has some good ideas:

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/in...showtopic=15797 (http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/index.php?showtopic=15797)

General guide to spring rates:

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/in...showtopic=10544 (http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/index.php?showtopic=10544)

Plug for my present car, great writeup by Glenn:

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/in...?showtopic=8488 (http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forum/index.php?showtopic=8488)

BTW: 8kg/6kg springs with shortened shocks is great as a daily driver. It can be fairly bumpy at times (nothing compared to a stiff TRD or coilover setup), it is a bit soft (nothing compared to stock!) but it still provides plenty of grip and is quite nice as a drift setup. Plenty of predictability in the slides, little hopping. Plus that setup (AJPS FTW) is fairly cheap, and good as a way of lowering the car and improving the suspension heaps without spending a huge fortune on it.

Possibly have a chat to Dave about setups, and see what one suits your style. Probably don't go down the cut springs route, as you will be driving it plenty, you will thank yourself!

BTW my car doesn't come with strut brace anymore http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[blue86]

what eva you do dont cut the springs ,after a year of driving on cut springs i was happy to have any springs and more so shocks save the money an buy good stuff.

[Driftspec]

Don't forget Bill Sherwoods suspension page, to give you an idea of how all the components work together:

http://www.billzilla.org/suspensn.htm

Hope this helps!

Keating

[LordNafe]

8kg front, 6 kgrear is not a bit soft..... Many s13's run this sort of spring rate in heavier cars....
Proper circuit grip racers run springs considerably softer than 8 & 6, as this is far too hard for circuit.
8 & 6 is very good for drifting though http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[Dan_AE86]

Sweat cheers for the input guys, and the links!!!!

Def. will be looking out for the upcoming thread!!!Goodluck with it!!

Dan.
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[Robo86]

what do people think of
front:
9kg front springs
Kyb Agx Shocks – 4 ways adjustable
T3 Camber tops
Front strut brace
Lock spacers.

rear:
7kg Springs
Kyb Agx Shocks – 8 ways adjustable
T3 4 Link
Rear strut brace

thats what im planning on doing, maybe adding some other stuff. what do u guys think of that?

p.s sorry to kinda hijack ur thread mate

[stefan]

would be mega hard for daily hills etc,but pure track use would be fine

[ke70dave]

im running 9kg spings with stiff shocks for front (JIC coilovers) and cut falcon springs (aprox 6kg ive heard?) in the back with crappy ass stock rooted shocks.

the front is very stiff, but the shocks are extremely stiff as well, so it isnt too bad. although most people reckon my car is too bumpy (non hachi/ke70 enthusiastis:P)

pulling into driveways and goin over speedbumps is a pain, gota go nice and slow, but general driving is pretty good, gota try and avoid moster bumps. but if you hit one it takes it pretty well.

the back is pretty nice stiffness, but cause the shocks are crap it bounces alot, but 6kg seems to be pretty good for stiffness in the back.

i would not recomend 9kg for the front, go 8's. ive driven same setup as mine but with 8kg in the front and its alot more confortable. its only 1kg difference but appears to be alot more comfy.

just my oppinion

[Robo86]

thanks guys!! how low do the ajps custom springs sit?
any ideas?

[lo_rolla]

keep in mine good springs (ie heay weight) and shit shocks wont work
Good shocks and shit springs will.

as for falcon springs being 6kg, tell them theyre dreaming. I sold a pair of 4kg rears for some cutties and theyre about the same in kg/mm wise. with the added benefit of custom height http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/ph34r.gif

[Dan_AE86]

thanks guys!! how low do the ajps custom springs sit?
any ideas?[/b]

Yes!Yes!Yes!please post up pics of how low your car sits and state whats done to it (as im really keen on getting the lowest springs i can with standard struts, etc. and if its low enough i can save ALOT of money and not go coilovers!!)

Dan.
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[gottago]

im running upfront sigma LCA's and 8kg springs with mr2 shocks and ra40 rack ends gave me 3.75 neg camber without adjustable strut tops. all bolt in basically with strut cut down ofcourse

rear falcon springs chopped ( 6.5kg guess???) sierra short stroke shocks t3 4 link swaybars front and back strut braces front and back.. its good for drifting and mucking around but its fucked to drive on roads with imperfections as u feel everything wouldnt recomend it for a daily driver on sydney roads less u got short trips or dedicated to driving the 86 haha

[seek]

i have $1000 to spend on my front suspension alone. the car is / will be road registered, but i have a daily vehicle.

this means no comprimises lol, im not fussed if its stiff as fuck, but i need it setup well for drift, and the odd circut run.

what do we think? i was looking at AJPS coilovers, but in the end i dont think its doable given the budget?

cheers guys

[RobertoX]

^^ give me a call tomorrow on 08 8322 3074 and i will work something out in your price range

thanks

[Dan_AE86]

OK Guys.
Has anyone got pics of low your can go on Standard Struts??with un-cut springs...
I hear of heaps of people if the AJPS setups...i want it to be about 10-20mm guard and tyre clearance!!
6kg front and 4kg rear...i spoke to dave (AJPS) and got prices, etc.
but he is in S.A. and im in N.S.W (30mins south of Byron Bay), Ballina 2478.
does anyone remember their postage cost from AJPS to gold coast/nothern rivers area??

Also Coilovers is the ONLY benefit height adjustability and ability to run higher spring rates??is it true your steering response/feel is better??or just BS?

HELP!i want suspension ASAP..

Dan. :2thumbs:

[Driftspec]

Remember, this is why I sent you the email Dan ;)

Probably get in touch with Dave regarding postage costs, I'm sure he can rattle off rough figures off the top of his head :)

FTR, On standard struts with Excel-G short shocks, its about 18cm or so from the ground to the door sill. 185/R60/14" actually fits inside the guard, the top of the wheel probably sits a few centimetres below the bottom of the guard (roughly):

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/142159.jpg


I'll put my head on the chopping block, and say that going coil-overs first up probably isn't the ideal way to go. Something like this set-up is the best to start off with, to get a feel for a tighter, rougher suspension (especially for a daily driver), and step up to a coil-over based set-up from there. Thats my gut feeling, as driving my car with the AJPS 8kg/6kg has taught me a lot about the car, my driving style, while being predictable and reliable for use as a daily driver.

Hope this helps some more :)

[Ade_Mc]

hey guys,
i was thinking that to.
i haven't really drifted/raced much. (nothing off street, mainly illegally)
want to keep it all legal now
so i'm quite crap.
but was looking for a set-up to start on that covers:

-daily duties
-nice set up to suit drift/circuit
-won't cost my my left nut, or kidney

then after i've improved...will go for a S13 set up.

any ideas would be greatly valued.

-ade mc-

[ke70dave]

either way getting a decent suspension isnt gonna be all that cheap, i was in this predicament not that long ago, and decided to go all out the first time (this is front suspension here) ended up goin straight to S13 front end with brand new coilovers (cost be about 1000$ all up for the front) other factors that influenced my decision was the all important brake upgrade (im sorry but stock ke70 brakes suck, any more than 2 people in the car, and it was terrible). i have been told that stock ae86 brakes arent as bad as ke70 ones. but i figured that if i was gonna do it once i might as well do it properly the first time.

having said that, if you can get your hands on some 2nd hand springs and some decent shocks for the front (ie thinking about cheap options with the intention of getting coilover setup later on, as you mentioned Ade_Mc) then by all means go for it.

just make sure that at the end of the day if you had spend 300$ more you could have an excelent coilover/brake setup.

just my thoughts