Takumi tax

[AE86R]

Hey fellas,

I have regularly been browsing through yahoo.jp and many other japanese car oriented selling sites and cant come to justice why we pay close to 4 times the amount the japs are buying and selling it for.

I understand how the yen is going bad, and money needed to cover import costs and shipping etc but i sat down with a very screwed on import fella and had a chat and discussed how it does cost a tad more but not the crazy amount were buying stuff at.

Even when the yen was good i still believe things were a wee bit expensive, and as a few people may know me im not bothered to fork out a couple of grand for grouse gear but i guess its come to the point where many of us 86 fellas stop fiddling with our cars and buying bits cause of how pricey it is. Makes me want to get a 40ft to japan buy bits and sell them what gear should be sold at, just enough to cover my cost and make minimal profit.

I know money makes the world spin but were either a car club or people tryna make money off everything. I think the money making bit should be left out of the car scene and back into the work scene.

Anyways thats my two cents

[Intense]

Import stuff, works out cheaper and better.

It's pretty funny really, jdm washer tanks are like 150 here? or some crap like that, you can get them for $5, yes FIVE dollars in japan. Whiteline tail lights cost like $50 bucks each, watanabes are worth nothing, longchamps are cheap as chips, even second hand nardis are cheap.

[AE86R]

yeah, i actually have a full set of jdm washer bottles that i was trying to sell, following the aus markets price of 2nd hand ones and never come across to there real price but in japan 120 australian can buy them brand new and thats for both windscreen washer and overflow.

Also it happens to all car clubs but us 86 guys do get a shitload imported to many other car affilated sites

[slydar]

there are a few very legitimate reasons why 86s stuff costs more.

1 like you conceded. it costs comparatively more in Japan, 86 after market stuff, compared to nissan stuff.

2 it is quite rare. there really isnt that much to go around.

3 it is a small scene here, compared to silvias ect. meaning the scene can not support a proper wholesaler. no one with enough money to make it work can be bothered, cos there is not that much money in it.

another small problem is, it is not that easy to just go to japan and "fill a 40ft container" because there is not an abundance of parts, you just cant buy tons of hot 2nd hand 86 shit for cheap and bring it back. related to this is that, if you're there in japan, its not uncommon to find yourself in the situation being a "buyer" where the japanese are unwilling to sell to foreigners. they dont (understandably) like seeing it all going over seas.

obviously yahoo is the exception, but yahoo alone cant really support a proper business.

86s are in the realm of true enthusiasts now. there, and here as well almost, they are not owned by people who logically sit down and think about what car will best suit there needs.

because there is a car that is cheaper and will better suit your needs 100% of the time. you have to really want to own an 86, and that means conceding that some stuff just costs more :)

[AE86R]

i totally agree, but we really do need a proper wholesaler.

[slydar]

then though, if you are just objecting to rampant profiteering. dont play the game. there are ways around it 100% of the time.

that sort of thing though happens everywhere.

like.. this website, does not represent the true core ae86s enthusiasts. its just a bunch of kids who are starting to get into them. once youre into it, you know the ins and outs, you know where to buy stuff, and where not to.

[AE86R]

oh for sure, though sometimes its just that one bloke who is holding you from your finished 86 to unfinished 86.

and i dont mind profiteering in anyway, but the amount of mark up some items have are unbelievable, i can understand if its that rare part or super expensive brand but so many common parts cost a whole lot more then they should.

[Hen may possibly be a nut]

It might seem steep, but think about it from an importer's point of view. Suddenly you have overheads: a warehouse, trips to and from Japan, shipping, taxes, duties and fees. Then you have to earn enough to support yourself and pay any employees you have. And you have a relatively small market to sell to, so every part has to cover a larger proportion of your overheads.

Like mechanics and drive in - drive out conversions seem expensive to me, but then again, they aren't doing it for a hobby.

Hen

[AE86R]

yeah thats more on a whole lot larger basis

[Axentrik]

hens exactly right, overheads = mark ups. dont like it?? move to japan.

[AE86R]

im moving adelaide soon not japan haha

[AE86R]

dont do drugs lad, but it will be a win

[*urban_ninja*]

my thoughts.............. its a 25 year old car or so. so really it is going to be hard to get any part for it second hand that is clean and strate. its similer to say working an old VW beatle or any other old 1980's car buying the parts and finding them will always be hard and expensive as like slider said there is not a lot to go around.

[Intense]

t18 diffs, used to be had for 50 bucks a few years ago, now they go for 400

[slydar]

t18 diffs are worth 300-400 easy. i have paid $320 from kellys wreckers at casteldine, i didnt want to, but thats what they were asking, and really, it was worth it, because in their own works "where else are ya gonna get one?"

t18s sold in lower numbers, than both 86s and ke70/ae71s from what i can tell just observing them on the road. yet half of us wanna run the diff out of one..?

once you have it in the car, un like say a jdm disc brake rear end, they are very easy to source replacement axles for. its a good part, that is rare (the housing)

you can still buy them at the wreckers for $100 (at wreckers where every diff is $100) but they are a very rare site i can tell you that. $300-$400 isnt unreasonable at all.

if you add it up. you can still build up an adm 86 for less than 10k doing it all yourself.
im talking like a modest but useable set up, GE, nice clutch, decent diff set up, coils, springs, shox, tops, rcas, PS arms, some japanese 14x7s.

its not really much money for a car thats genuinely fun to drive at the track.

[ae86]

i think takumi tax isnt really overrated, if you really want the car or the parts you will get it, simple as that, ae86 community when it comes to importing does get pricey and you have to live with it, if you dont want to can go darkside and go nissan, dno bout the washer bottle n watanabe prices but i seen longchamps are only cheap depending on size n offset which different here whilst people here trying to charge 600-1k for 14x6.5 commo spec poke on ur wheels, but yeah if you really want it you will pay for it, most of us already have.

[xsoarerx]

i guess the best way to look at it is. to get a similar power/weight ratio car to do the same things would be a s13 turbo with coilovers, and rims which would set you back 10g anyway...

mx5 is basically an AE86 without the roof and they cost 8 to 10g stock std.

spending less on a base car = more money to spend on car its self (compaired to buying a more expensive base car) jsut happens that the parts your looking for a 25 years old rather than parts that are still being made new for the S13.

[sun_moon]

meh... just pay what things cost.... if u wantto buy things, just buy them.

[dave2221]

with the whole import business...

just jap do it.... they just done get ae86 parts.

there are a few wholesalers out there, they just dont cater to the ae86 market.

[driftke70]

the way you save money is completely irrelevent to what you earn, but what you spend.

if you can cut costs in any way shape or form, you will save money, obviously, but the more you save, the more you can get in the shape of interest in a compound account, and the more you have in there the more you can spend on sprinters.

I had to take a step back with my missus, every second it was 10 bucks here, 10 bucks there, 30 buck dinner here and shit, and your money shoots our your wallet like its spring loaded. Now its calmed down.

[corey70]

"im lookin nothin like her poppa. i wouldn't give a bitch ten cents to put cheese on my whopper"

[Jonny Rochester]

I could have easily started a business just getting things off Yahoo back in 2003. Not so many people were doing it then, and very very few white Australians were willing to learn the 5 japanese words that were needed to navigate Corolla parts on Yahoo. (Attitute has changed ever so slightly now). I did learn a few words, and used my computer hacking skills to order parts for myself and a friend. TRD LSD centres for $290 and stuff like that. But living in Hobart, the shipping didn't make sence, (to send stuff back to the mianland).

I was at JDS imports in 2008. But a very small business, and all Nissan spares. I tried to get stuff for AE86 off Yahoo but my boss was such an idiot, or lazy, words can not explain. I guess that is why he is now pushing trolleys at Woolsworth.

All the importers were making money getting American classics imported, in the early part of 2008. Not sure about now.

You need to have a very good knowledge of every part of the car to make the most money out of it. A well known importer on these forums was wrecking a car. I phoned him and wanted a few parts, and a fuel filter or bracket or something. He didn't even know what a fuel filter looked like, so I couldn't get the part.

[LittleRedSpirit]

I think that complaining doesnt get you anywhere. Do some networking with people face to face, its amazing what parts you will turn up.

I can understand why things cost so much. Quite frequently people order things over privately and and decide instead of using it in their car, they will sell it to make money to fund something else. Ive noticed its these sellers who do things on the smallest scale that usually want the most for it.

Importers aren't really the ones setting the prices, they pay what they have to pay, they make a decision about whether a purchase is viable to make some coin on when they buy it, and assume all the risk of loss or damage or not selling. Risk costs money, basically. Dont get me started on overheads.

Theres no way you can just show up in Japan and buy stuff. You need contacts and sources. Do you have any idea what a garage big enough to fill a container in costs over there? You'd need to spend 6 weeks collecting parts and looking for stuff. Like others have said, its not always for sale to a gaijin. My friend tried to buy me a crown wheel and pinion set over the counter at Toyota and they wouldn't sell it to him unless he could produce documentation for a car on the road in japan that it would fit.

[ae86hachiroku]

The word takumi tax was created by people who could not afford the market price, and therefore resulted to try and bring the people who were reaping the benefits down.

Much like the theory of the Will to power by Nietszche (If anyone has read it) about slaves and nobles.

Simple, if you can't afford it, then don't buy it, or give it a try yourself and see how easy a task it is (No, this does not mean contacting a certain importer from Japan), bringing large amounts of stock in, trying not to screw yourself over and making a decent profit (or else it's not worth it).
And let me tell you, even if you do make a profit, sometimes it's still not worth it. The amount of capital involved to get something succesful in the car industry going is ridiculous for the reward returned. It's a vicious cycle, you will make the money back, but you will always need to pump money back in, all in all, you haven't really made decent earnings from your original investment.

Add to that, it's not particularly simple dealing with customers, especially over the internet. You need to provide pictures, you have to spend a few emails or phone calls describing what it does, you usually get haggles, and if the product turns up and doesn't work or described as intended, then there is a big hassle in returning items and exchanging of funds, or to an even serious matter, legal action. Picture the same setting but in a cafe, you sell coffee, there's no need to describe, or show pictures, the price is there, you want coffee, buy it, doesn't taste good? Have another one on the house. The point here is that the outlay in car parts is so high, to make a profit back that is usually not more than 50% of the cost of the item, include the stupid amount of competition, other importers, and a market that wants to always pay the cheapest (which is fair) there isn't many options left, being such a small market (how many everyday people are car enthusiasts that purchase aftermarket parts) comparably to other industries, it makes it that much worse

You're not just paying the markup, the import costs, the bank fees, but you're also paying for the time, effort and sweat to bring these for customers convenience. It's the same deal as Coles or any commercial firm. You can go get apples at the shop, pay about 4 times, or take the time and effort if you really want to save and to your local market. Any non sellers/sponsors have an idea how much labour time it takes to constantly have to package goods properly, deliver to post office/couriers? Time is money.

Good luck filling a 40ft let alone 20ft container of goodies, unless you have a large amount of halfcuts or some cars, not only will you not get the most out of the space, you won't break even. Little tinkly winkly bits like lights, bodykits, bonnets or door trims won't do shit.

Take a good look at our scene, the AE86 club is generally quite small, but we are all mainly aftermarket enthusiasts, with a lot of importers (have a look at the sponsor section) and a small population, if anything, I think the competition for AE86 gear is higher than most, since everyone knows everyone and every shop. At least state wise, Nissan drivers will always have a local shop they can go to, how many AE86 specific garages do you have in each state? Not many at all. We don't have the luxury of huge aftermarket support by big brands that can produce enough products to go around the world, cheap enough to stock and sell, because it is a old car, and in Japan, is beginning to phase out (even in drifting). The most popular car now is Chasers and obviously always, the Silvias.

No offence intended to anyone, just giving my insight on this whole matter on why there is a 'mark up'.

[Frak]

^^^ so true brother

When I hear someone crying "takumi tax" I just think fucking wanker!

[ke70dave]

i think people have to realise how much it actually costs to "do up" cars.

parts in demand are expensive, rare parts are more expensive, rare parts in demand....good by bank balance!

i dont think its any better in other "scenes". s13 gear isnt exactly cheap, datto 1600? stanzas? escorts? most "cheap" cars arent cheap when you start playing around.

but thats what its about, spending to much money, overcapitilising, for the fun of it!

i do think that some times people do take advantage of this, but thats to be expected in this world, just have to do our best!

and also remember...the majority of us are EXTENSIVLY modifiying our cars from standard, how can you expect that to be cheap?

[Intense]

The word takumi tax was created by people who could not afford the market price, and therefore resulted to try and bring the people who were reaping the benefits down.

Wrong,

I was the one who coined the term takumi tax on toymods way back and it was simply my observations of ae86's rising in value from around the $2000 mark to over $4000 for the same car in the space of just a few years. I wanted one but couldn't justify spending $4000 for a stock corolla, so I got a heavily modified rx7 that would rip the ever loving shit out of any $4000 ae86 in aus :D

[ae86hachiroku]

Wrong,

I was the one who coined the term takumi tax on toymods way back and it was simply my observations of ae86's rising in value from around the $2000 mark to over $4000 for the same car in the space of just a few years. I wanted one but couldn't justify spending $4000 for a stock corolla, so I got a heavily modified rx7 that would rip the ever loving shit out of any $4000 ae86 in aus :D

In a way, your not wrong there with that term, but the term is thrown around these days as representing anything that has a price tag on it, or isn't cheap enough for someone, so they call bullshit and make it worse for the seller.

Takumi is now dead, this 'tax' is now your normal profitable business venture, which some haven't awoken to yet. And as said by others, modifying cars has never been cheap, if anything, it was more expensive back in the day because there were no importers, no internet, no contacts from Japan, and getting slaughtered by Toyota Australia for genuine items.

[shift_rook]

true, if it's expensive just save, i bet i make less than all of you but you just have to wait and buy the best parts so you don't have to replace shit later, think how much other things cost today and to bring a world of joy for years for a measly 10k, well worth it i say

[Intense]

Well the way I see it, the ke70 is the new ae86.

Ae86's used to be cheap, plentifull and parts cost nothing for them.
Now they're expensive, hard to come buy and cost more than most other cars to modify.

They've moved on from being the sort of car you'd buy own thrash then dump into a long term investment almost that people are willing to spend lots on and put a lot of time into. Which I think is a good thing because it'll produce a lot more higher quality ae86's and also brings the market value up more and more so for those of us that own them, hold onto them

[ae86hachiroku]

Yeah, I saw that KE70 one coming awhile ago.

The same thing has happened too, there is a few nice ones (Grants for example) Just like Garths AE86 back in the day, eventually people grab hold of JDM cool, and now every KE wants quad lights and chrome bumpers. Time has repeated itself again.

[DX20VT]

Here in NZ I predicted the Toyota Altezza to become the next AE86,

as they are now about the same price as one.


And as for the prices of JDM AE86 stuff,

I am working one up at thye moment, and find it cheaper to buy some stuff new, than what people buy and sell it for s/h.
Throttle cables, alternator mounts, that sort of stuff.
In some cases they are for sale on trademe for double the price I can buy it from a dealer.

[AE86R]

Driftke70 i like that alot.

Ken you do speak the truth.

Im not ranting or raving about takumi tax but started the thread to get some good opinions out there and hear what others say, in the end it is a forum. Im happy to pay money aslong as the part is worth it though some sellers must even admit that there are some parts well overpriced and there is no real outline except for internet browsing to get the prices to a acceptable/reasonable level.

[ae86hachiroku]

Fair call, but overpriced is probably a 'mean' way of saying it, it's just the price that has been set by the consumers which there are those who are willing to pay.
And like you say, if you do want cheaper, then the options are there to be looked at. Not in anyway saying you will find cheaper, you might but your best options are still the sponsors here. :) *SHAMELESS PLUG*

[todd]

an item is worth whatever a purchaser is willing to pay.
thats how it has been, and how it ever will be.

[AE86R]

too easy

[lovemy86]

i know what i want and like, i'm more than willing to pay what it cost to have it.
as long as i get my moneys worth i'll sleep well.

i just wanna be able to hand my car down to my grandkids and tell them that i spent more money on it than my first house and more time with it than with their grandma!

[KE70]

Supply and Demand two simple words...

More supply(5 years ago?) and less demand = cheap AE86
Less supply(today) and more demand = Exxy AE86

[The Enthusiast]

IM not the first not the last to say something along the lines
Cars cost money and keep on costing,
anyone that get a sprinter or rare 70' 80' corolla or any other car for that matter
will pay out the ass for parts.

dont like it get a getz..

[shinobi]

really moving to ADL huh?

Cool..

[Revan]

yup, whilst most of us want to hunt down and kill the creators of the takumi cartoon, there's nothing to be done to stop the bullshit pricing, other than holding out longer for cars and parts. at least i'm seeing the prices of lightly molested 86's drop a bit this year.

[Rice86]

i dont see how takumi made the ae86 tax....if anything ae86 was already famous b4 ID as most of us know...

so....stop this bullshitting about a cartoon tax, u want a old classic car?...pay the price mates

[slydar]

yup, whilst most of us want to hunt down and kill the creators of the takumi cartoon, there's nothing to be done to stop the bullshit pricing, other than holding out longer for cars and parts. at least i'm seeing the prices of lightly molested 86's drop a bit this year.

hunt down and kill? lol. initial d is great.

[Anthony]

it costs more than you think to bring the stuff in. there are little charges all the way. then if its sent EMS, which most stuff is, thats a huge cost in itself.

most stuff ends up owing roughly double the yahoo price landed, lighter stuff a bit under, heavier (like wheels) a bit over. then add a small slice for the trouble and you start to see where the pricing comes from.

who's takumi anyway? nothing to do with it.

[Kid Karola]

Takumi tax is a phrase coined much like global warming, it seems to be a buzz word... but does it really exist?
The AE86 has been popular since the 80's, Initial D manga comic books surfaced in the mid 90's, as an off-shoot from the cult car status and following the AE86 already had. Intial D as most of you youngsters became familiar with is about the time of Fourth Stage and The Movie release in 2005. These may have introduced some new followers to the Sprinter and elevated it to Hero. But it was still a comic after all.

It all comes down to supply and demend. There have been less and less AE86's since 1988 yet more an more people getting into them.
Less supply, more demand, hence prices increase.

http://www.mikeonads.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/supply_demand_11.JPG

Even 10 years ago the AE86 was considered expensive for what it was. Considering an ADM cost about 15K, almost 50% more than a basic Corolla at 8K straight off the showroom floor puts it in perspective. In Japan now good clean original examples are highly sought after and command more money than many modified ones. Keeping 25 year old parts in stock costs money too, or aftermarket parts for that matter for a such a niche market.

[tricky_dan]

i know this thread is about 'takumi tax' but i dont think anyones mentioned 'irish tax' or sexy_16 yet.... haha (ie stealing all the ae86s away from us to ireland..), could that be a reason why sprinters are so expensive?

[rthy]

maybe the demand in ireland is higher

[sun_moon]

as long as values go up, im happy... not to mention it will make future generations of more mature ae86 owners, as the cost will be higher..... i welcome this "takumi tax" as i own 2 mint ae86s, one decent ae86 and an ae86 shell.

now if only we can get some aw11 tax going on too !

[kaibeecee]

i don't welcome it. its bullshit.

86 owners should consider themselves lucky that most original driveline parts and whatnot can be substituted for parts from other cars (cressida, tarago etc.) or aftermarket so the only 'real' demandable component is the shell itself and its immediate ancilliaries.

its a 25 year old corolla, not really a car that can be deemed 'collector' status just yet. especially when most are still used by silly kids to do skids in (and the occasional old man, ha). escorts, old Alfa's and other historic cars i can understand the pricing for those, they're legitimately a history defining car, not a corolla made famous by a couple of drifts and a cartoon.

[Matt-AE86]

Import stuff, works out cheaper and better.

It's pretty funny really, jdm washer tanks are like 150 here? or some crap like that, you can get them for $5, yes FIVE dollars in japan. Whiteline tail lights cost like $50 bucks each, watanabes are worth nothing, longchamps are cheap as chips, even second hand nardis are cheap.

A nardi will still work out to be around $150-$250 dollars, A washer bottle (second hand) will work out to be $80 dollars. We can get a second hand one from our local 86 importer here for $70-80 dollars or a new one for $150.

also show me a washer bottle for 5 dollars. You need to go join the bfk crew and smoke some more crack. "And when you here this *click click* da-bois are com'n... and when you here dis *click click* da-bois are coming... AK47 shotgun rifle... IT WAS A MUSGI-GUN!~"

yerp.

[Matt-AE86]

i don't welcome it. its bullshit.

86 owners should consider themselves lucky that most original driveline parts and whatnot can be substituted for parts from other cars (cressida, tarago etc.) or aftermarket so the only 'real' demandable component is the shell itself and its immediate ancilliaries.

its a 25 year old corolla, not really a car that can be deemed 'collector' status just yet. especially when most are still used by silly kids to do skids in (and the occasional old man, ha). escorts, old Alfa's and other historic cars i can understand the pricing for those, they're legitimately a history defining car, not a corolla made famous by a couple of drifts and a cartoon.

you've been illinformed.

[Matt-AE86]

it costs more than you think to bring the stuff in. there are little charges all the way. then if its sent EMS, which most stuff is, thats a huge cost in itself.

most stuff ends up owing roughly double the yahoo price landed, lighter stuff a bit under, heavier (like wheels) a bit over. then add a small slice for the trouble and you start to see where the pricing comes from.

who's takumi anyway? nothing to do with it.

This is a very good point.

I was looking at a seat rail today. 1,000yen. 16hours to go. No Bids. Great. Sweet even.

Calculate the Costs. $200aud to my door from a simple $19aud item.

Shipping alone was $130~aud.

The heavier the item, the sader you will become.

[RolandGTV85]

Takumi Tax only applies to those people who like the car as portrayed in initial D...Which is fine in my opinion. But complaining about people charging too much for an 86 because of "Takumi Tax" would seem your disregarding its true roots and motoring history. While the 86 did not have much of a history in Australia, does not make it just a 25 year old rolla that grandma drives.
To put it simply if you want a sprinter and cannot afford one? buy a cheaper one...cant find a cheaper one? that cos their isnt enough around. The fact that you want one but cant find one would suggest they are rare. This then makes it somewhat collectable which is why prices are going up.

I quote: collectibles - Non-financial physical objects found in limited supply that provide esthetic, psychological, or practical value to the owner. They are expected to appreciate as a result of inflation or through increased recognition of their rarity.

Motoring trends/fashion changes constantly and this time next year the AE86 may no longer be in high demand. As wrx’s, skylines etc are getting cheaper and cheaper they may be the new trend. Or I may be completely wrong and the 86 is gunna be worth 100k in 50 years haha.
I would also like to note, the more mods on the car does not make it more valuable. If I was to buy another sprinter I would pay top dollar for an immaculate original factory condition car over a supercharged turbo’d endless apexi recaro-ific model any day. Do not take this as me preaching. I really do understand why people would prefer to buy one with or without mods. It does come down to what you use it for.

[Intense]

Harley told me they were selling them at the ae86 festival for 5 bucks each

[Otaku]

Harley told me they were selling them at the ae86 festival for 5 bucks each

500yen actually, which was around 5 bucks when I was there, more like $6.70 now :DD

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/3/2/6/13804.jpg
(Little stickers say 500 yen)

[dave2221]

I think takumi tax is a very relevant name for what we pay for a sprinter.

they have always been popular and rare, but if you look at trends on google.com for "ae86" when Initial D movie came out there was a spike in interest.

more interest (and the rise of drifting worldwide) has created more demand.

so more or less to a certain degree, Takumi created more demand through initial d (and of course drifting in japan has a huge influance also)

so i see the coining of the phrase to an astute observation on the price of the hachi with the rise of Initial D, and of course the rise in popularity of Drifting.

[dustyae86]

shoudl have thrown a few in the suitcase :)

[Otaku]

yeah, if I go again this year i'm taking an empty suitcase with me :DD

[kaibeecee]

you've been illinformed.

you can't just say that and not give me a reason man.

if know otherwise, tell me. if not, don't bother saying anything else about it. simple.

[Matt-AE86]

500yen actually, which was around 5 bucks when I was there, more like $6.70 now :DD

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/3/2/6/13804.jpg
(Little stickers say 500 yen)

Fair enough, the guy has too many and is at a festival. I know when i looked into getting one from yahoo it just paid to get one here second hand for 70 or new for 150, it was around same same. i think new they aren't that much from toyo japan, its just the extra overall costs you are missing.

Sure, 5 dollars is 5 dollars. You take it on the plane, you don't get extra charge. You picked it up yourself etc.

But 5 dollars, plus commison, plus internal shipping plus, bank fees, plus more shipping etc ends up becoming 60-70 dollars. Might aswell just go down hte road and get one for 70 yer ?

[Matt-AE86]

you can't just say that and not give me a reason man.

if know otherwise, tell me. if not, don't bother saying anything else about it. simple.

"its a 25 year old corolla, not really a car that can be deemed 'collector' status just yet."

It already has. When you have people in all contents over the world restoring them to original condition and paying ridiculous prices to get ones that have been rusted to no return, I think you can consider then collector status.

You should know better, you are in japan.

That's why I said that you have been illinformed. You haven't looked deeply enough into it. What I just said is one part of it.

[LittleRedSpirit]

When old Holden stuff goes up, do people call it Brocky tax?

I think not.

Its symptomatic of the fact that kids who cant afford to build cars will whinge and lowball everyone to get the job done. When I hear someone mention Takumi Tax, its most often about an item thats actually worth having and worth paying for, big ticket stuff like diffs and proper rwd motors. I think most people are just tight and its a trendy way to whinge.

People won't import stuff if they aren't making money. I have no problem with people making money for their investment. They are doing all the hard work to supply us and all most can do is complain.

Fact is, if you cant afford it, you shouldn't buy it. Whinging doesn't get you anywhere.

[Otaku]

Fair enough, the guy has too many and is at a festival. I know when i looked into getting one from yahoo it just paid to get one here second hand for 70 or new for 150, it was around same same. i think new they aren't that much from toyo japan, its just the extra overall costs you are missing.

Sure, 5 dollars is 5 dollars. You take it on the plane, you don't get extra charge. You picked it up yourself etc.

But 5 dollars, plus commison, plus internal shipping plus, bank fees, plus more shipping etc ends up becoming 60-70 dollars. Might aswell just go down hte road and get one for 70 yer ?
yeah but thats all just the extra cost to get the part here, this is just to show that some stuff dont have takumi tax.
When you buy something from Japan it usually ends up double or more of what you purchased the product for.
for example, I brought a set of Albino wheels for $90 in japan, and cost me $330 all up, thats not Takumi tax, thats just to get it here!

[Matt-AE86]

yeah but thats all just the extra cost to get the part here, this is just to show that some stuff dont have takumi tax.
When you buy something from Japan it usually ends up double or more of what you purchased the product for.
for example, I brought a set of Albino wheels for $90 in japan, and cost me $330 all up, thats not Takumi tax, thats just to get it here!

I think you just agreed to disagree then making you agree that i disagreed while you were agreeing ?

im lost. lets start again. Hi I'm Matt, I don't believe in any tax. You own an AE86. You are going to pay for shit.

[Otaku]

haha, yeah i dont know whats going on anymore :DD

[shinobi]

Taxumi tax is bullshit.. There's no such thing.. AE86 shit is expensive because there isn't a huge market for them so when a high end part is manufactured by a company they want a worth while return on their investment. Start crying when you buy some real parts washer bottles aren't worth a mention..

To be Blunt your getting Hustled, and only stupid people get hustled so you only have yourself to blame.

[Matt-AE86]

Rs-chita 20v water kit. I didn't cry... I... REJOICED !

[kaibeecee]

"its a 25 year old corolla, not really a car that can be deemed 'collector' status just yet."

It already has. When you have people in all contents over the world restoring them to original condition and paying ridiculous prices to get ones that have been rusted to no return, I think you can consider then collector status.

You should know better, you are in japan.

That's why I said that you have been illinformed. You haven't looked deeply enough into it. What I just said is one part of it.

I understand where you're coming from matt and accept what you're saying.

what i deem true 'collector' status is a car that is on the historic car listing, for which the ae86, is not.

you still see them at every drift day, on track, in the dirt, tyres, walls whatever. there is still people hacking them up daily and you can buy a bombed one running and registered for less than $10,000 easily.

ok, a black limited, fully restored etc etc. - cost upward of $15,000 au probably. you'd be hard pressed to find a BDA escort for that money rusted out.

as for japan, i'm pretty sure you've been. so you know that they're the most materialistic people anywhere in the world

most japanese 86's live a life of drifting or hard driving. when it comes to drifting and drift cars, 80% of average drifters have a budget. and when joe-blow drifter smashes his 86 into the tires beyond repair, they either do one of two things.

they ghetto patch it, and keep driving. this is a popular option. it stays fucked out until they get money to buy another one or upgrade to a chaser like everyone else.
or, they hardpark the bucket of metal OUTSIDE and let it rust into oblivion. this is an even more popular option.

they just don't care. its a catalyst for a fun time to most of them.

hardcore restorations in japan are few and far between because most hardcore 86 guys see the car as expendable, there is the few hardcore ones (carland, impulse, Gworks builds etc.) that are an exception but most are modified to some extent for performance driving.

like for instance, i visited revolver recently, its just down the road. pretty famous ae86 shop, right?

they're pretty much back-burned the 86 in favour of racing civics. they're now called Sargent racing division and revolver is a sub company that just sells the occasional part every now and then. the guy said to me they see an 86 come in maybe once or twice a month. thats it.

if the demand for these cars is going up, you think they'd be trading more 86 parts wouldn't you? i would. but thats subjective.

i think it'll be at least another 10 years before we see the numbers of abused ones drop and the 'collectors' whom have money, to come out of the woodwork and restore whats left...

anyway, ive made my point, inflation of the prices is just part of life i guess. im just a bit jaded as to why it should when it comes to ae86's :)

[ae86hachiroku]

Takumi tax is a term created by the slave morality. (Slaves vs Royalty in old times)

You are a slave, you cannot afford it, so you would like to ruin it for those who do have one. And those who own it will tell you otherwise. Jealousy has a big part to play in this so called Takumi tax.

[driftke70]

could just build a keto and not use 86 parts ;)

if your concerned about a takumi tax, which is really well summed up by littleredspirit,
then either your spending too much money on other crap, dont have enough to build a car in the time frame you would like, or dont have the money?

shit costs money, some people on here try sell stuff for a crazy price, it happens everywhere with everything, some people sell it, others dont, its a "because i can"
sorta thing.

[Intense]

I wasn't jealous when I came up with the term. I test drove a dead stock ae86 with 4ac and all, was 3 grand at the time in 2004 or 2005, i forget when. But I realised just what a rip off it was, so instead of getting a bog stock 1980's corolla I bought a highly modified rx7 instead for the same price. Stock ae86's are just poor value for money as i saw it so i put my money into something else.

[shinobi]

Dude iv'e seen Jap's bawling there eyes out when they've crashed their 86's and I think the ones who don't, compose them self and commit seppuku when the get home..

Who gives fuck what jappo's do with their 86's they also flew fighter jets into war ships it dont make it right..

And your wrong they are collectors mayne, that's why almost all the Toyota genuine OEM parts are completely sold out. The Geek kid that resisted taking his optmus Prime out the box 25 years ago is now a rich man.. so drift your AE86 into a wall tuff guy i dare you..

[ke70dave]

I wasn't jealous when I came up with the term. I test drove a dead stock ae86 with 4ac and all, was 3 grand at the time in 2004 or 2005, i forget when. But I realised just what a rip off it was, so instead of getting a bog stock 1980's corolla I bought a highly modified rx7 instead for the same price. Stock ae86's are just poor value for money as i saw it so i put my money into something else.

i think any registered car that is able to pass a road worthy is prolly worth around 2.5-3k anyway

ae86 or not, a car that is in good condition for its age is worth money?

im talking genuinly in good condition, minimal dents, ok paint, a non blown engine and decent interiour. thats worth something.

takumi tax is great when your selling stuff! and theres always a way around it when your buying, just need to look around.

[Frak]

Who gives fuck what jappo's do with their 86's they also flew fighter jets into war ships it dont make it right..


what jets were these? I can't remember seeing/hearing about that.

[SEXY 16]

ok, a black limited, fully restored etc etc. - cost upward of $15,000 au probably. you'd be hard pressed to find a BDA escort for that money rusted out.

my rs1600 lhd bda road car supposed 1 of 3 ever made in white purchaced in italy last year on its way to oz purchaced for 27433 dollars needing extensive bodywork to restore
reshell would be easier but in a word no
pic taken in ireland at home



http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/8/4/9/13817.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/8/4/9/13818.jpg

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/8/4/9/13819.jpg

wish i could have brought the car trailer too
brian james trailers the best towing trailer in the world



http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/8/4/9/13820.jpg

[SEXY 16]

and my lhd german import to nz and now on its way to oz

enjoy

takumi tax aint nuffin compared to the price escorts are worth now

[DX20VT]

my rs1600 lhd bda road car supposed 1 of 3 ever made in white purchaced in italy last year on its way to oz purchaced for 27433 dollars needing extensive bodywork to restore
reshell would be easier but in a word no


I hear what your saying,

We have a genuine Mk1 lotus cortina for sale, in similar condition to the escort pic's you have, complete but old and in need of some TLC,
And it's the most expensive car dad has ever bought( not built),
more expensive than his GT40 and the XR6 Turbo powered Ford Focus.



The thing that annoys me with the AE86 stuff,
as I am converting a jap spec AE85 to a JDM AE86 spec at the moment,
Is that people try to sell something that is not an AE86 part, but could be used in RWD for way more than it's worth.

the people who try to sell a s/h part at over double the retail price I can buy it from the local toyota dealer for,

I mean is an AE86 4AGE power steer pump worth $1000?
Is a Hydraulic clutch pedal worth $450 more than the cable clutch equivilent?
Is a non power steer rack really worth $750?

Almost to the stage where I may look at buying stuff from overseas too.

[kaibeecee]

Dude iv'e seen Jap's bawling there eyes out when they've crashed their 86's and I think the ones who don't, compose them self and commit seppuku when the get home..

Who gives fuck what jappo's do with their 86's they also flew fighter jets into war ships it dont make it right..

And your wrong they are collectors mayne, that's why almost all the Toyota genuine OEM parts are completely sold out. The Geek kid that resisted taking his optmus Prime out the box 25 years ago is now a rich man.. so drift your AE86 into a wall tuff guy i dare you..

japanese people cry when they miss the f**ing train going to work man. you're shooting blanks there.

and dont worry, i'll give my rear quarters hell on the armco just for you champ and i'll send the footage....

its a car, its a means for me to have a good time thrashing it.
sure id be pissed for a bit if i smashed it cause id lose money, but i don't really care enough cause theres plenty other cars i like as much as an 86.....

and the parts are sold out cause theres been 25 years worth of 86s in the entire world.... thats alot of other countries aside from australia and japan.....do the math?

[Frak]

DX20VT, Lotus cortina is one of my fav cars, of course mid 65, coil rear end/a-frame but with late front grille.

[sun_moon]

what jets were these? I can't remember seeing/hearing about that.

world war 2.

also before then u should study "toyotomi hideyoshi"

[todd]

world war 2.

also before then u should study "toyotomi hideyoshi"

...he was taking the piss tony kim.
they didnt have jet planes in the war back then...

[Frak]

you got it Todd ;)

I am a HUGE WW2 warbird fan and thought I must of missed something!

[driftke70]

saber and mig came after ww2, russia and america used the same stolen plans from germany (and stolen scientists)

also dx20vt
those prices are unrealistic, even for dealer prices,

its common knowledge you can pick up a rack for under 200,
can pick up clutch stuff for under 150
and power steer pumps are far cheaper than 1k , and an unnecessary purchase.

[sun_moon]

ha ha

[Frak]

I recently got a book on German fighter development, stuff they never finished etc....bloody hell!! they had some smart cookies!

[*bj*]

Here's one for ya kiddo's....

Supply & Demand. A mate of mine, John Maynard Keynes, came up with the idea.

It's pretty neat, look it up on wikipedia!

[sun_moon]

as said before by a few people on here...

many people complaining about "takumi tax" are just unable to afford and modify an ae86 so they complain about it.

just pay what things are worth and accept it.

[todd]

idea has already been mentioned mr BJ.
thanks for your input anyway.

[driftke70]

I recently got a book on German fighter development, stuff they never finished etc....bloody hell!! they had some smart cookies!

americans and russians were flying over the same airspace, and thought they were on the same team, because they had identical planes, made from the same stolen german plans.

read about ww2 most nights, one of my fav things

[kaibeecee]

as said before by a few people on here...

many people complaining about "takumi tax" are just unable to afford and modify an ae86 so they complain about it.

just pay what things are worth and accept it.

put down the bat slowly and step away from the horse carcass.....

[Anthony]

The thing that annoys me with the AE86 stuff,
as I am converting a jap spec AE85 to a JDM AE86 spec at the moment,
Is that people try to sell something that is not an AE86 part, but could be used in RWD for way more than it's worth.

the people who try to sell a s/h part at over double the retail price I can buy it from the local toyota dealer for,

I mean is an AE86 4AGE power steer pump worth $1000?
Is a Hydraulic clutch pedal worth $450 more than the cable clutch equivilent?
Is a non power steer rack really worth $750?

Almost to the stage where I may look at buying stuff from overseas too.


This situation does come up, but I can tell you from personal experience that it's almost always an accident based on assumption rather than an attempt to rip people off. There are a lot of popular parts that sell for more than the new retail price simply because no one bothered asking.

Type X 180SX tail lights, a lot of RWD 4AGE parts, disc brake handbrake cables etc etc.

[DRFT]

I sell shit and I tell you its not worth doing it if your gonna ask for japanese prices. Im down in money and i dont think ive made it back yet. sure theres always cheap shit you can buy, but if you dont want any problems then you need to spend the right money to do it right the first time.

[shinobi]

what jets were these? I can't remember seeing/hearing about that.

it was before your time dude..

[Kid Karola]

dude Frak is like 100 years old! He's like Bunta Fujiwara ;)

[Axentrik]

Can someone explain what exactly is so special about jdm washer bottles?

[slydar]

depending on what engine youre running you might want them, to make room for your intake set up.

i dont use air filters on my engines, so the adm ones work for me. if you did a jdm loom swap you would want them though kinda too.

some people want them just for JDM points.

[Matt-AE86]

depending on what engine youre running you might want them, to make room for your intake set up.

I dont use air filters on my engines, so the adm ones work for me. If you did a jdm loom swap you would want them though kinda too.

Some people want them just for jdm points.

"whoop! Der it isssssssss"

[shinobi]

japanese people cry when they miss the f**ing train going to work man. you're shooting blanks there.

and dont worry, i'll give my rear quarters hell on the armco just for you champ and i'll send the footage....

its a car, its a means for me to have a good time thrashing it.
sure id be pissed for a bit if i smashed it cause id lose money, but i don't really care enough cause theres plenty other cars i like as much as an 86.....

and the parts are sold out cause theres been 25 years worth of 86s in the entire world.... thats alot of other countries aside from australia and japan.....do the math?

Wrong, you're shooting blanks...
I know a guy that works for Toyota in Japan through whom I bought many OEM parts and he told me that in the last 6 months almost ten years worth of OEM parts have been sold almost depleting the stock entirely..

And I know about having fun in cars that's why I own an evo to thrash around in but hey I will support you killing your 86 cos that will be another wanker not owning one..

[MINIHORSE]

Snapuu

[kaibeecee]

well good for toyota. its still been 25 years and countless thousands of 86's worldwide. a figurative 10 years of parts is probably a sales percentage gathered over a period of the better part of 2 decades to them, which in reality depending on previous sales figures on ONLY 86 parts, could mean 5 parts, or 20,000. hearsay is horseshit. having a 'guy at toyota japan' doesn't mean anything.

and whats so different about me thrashing an 86 and you thrashing an evo?

nothing. at all. infact, i'd rather thrash an 86 cause a shell will only cost >$1000 as opposed to your evo6, which would be 3X that.... i realize that i'm not gonna live forever, so im out having fun as opposed to just leaving it hard parked in the garage with eleventy billion bucks of JDM wish wash piled into it which i'm going to have a hard time selling, which is what you're obviously insinuating i should do. so what do i give a shit about preserving something thats only going to inevitably be a rusted out bucket in 10 years?

but hey, whatever man. im just a wanker thats in it for the wrong reasons.

[shinobi]

Well at least we agree on that..

[tricky_dan]

Type X 180SX tail lights, a lot of RWD 4AGE parts, disc brake handbrake cables etc etc.

hey yea whats with type x lights being worth so much! i mean it probably cost nissan exactly the same amount of money to pour in the plastic to make type x or normal tail lights.. theres seriously nothing special about them! except making your car look newer.




nothing. at all. infact, i'd rather thrash an 86 cause a shell will only cost >$1000 as opposed to your evo6, which would be 3X that.... i realize that i'm not gonna live forever, so im out having fun as opposed to just leaving it hard parked in the garage with eleventy billion bucks of JDM wish wash piled into it which i'm going to have a hard time selling, which is what you're obviously insinuating i should do. so what do i give a shit about preserving something thats only going to inevitably be a rusted out bucket in 10 years?


YES! exactly! i really think people should be getting out there enjoying what they've got rather than leave it in the garage.. i mean that is another way of appreciating it, but im a strong believer in using what you have.

[Frak]

Are you joking?

In maufacturing terms, price is dicated mostly by volume of production and i guess partly exclusivity/year of manufacure.

Of which much less of these lights would of been produced than the normal 180sx lights.



So true, I own a very rare (1 of 232) Honda Motorcycle, prices are ridiculous,

clutch cover $6000(atleast it's magnesium)
fuel tank $12000(aluminium)
radiators $6500 (for two!)
exhaust $4500
I shudder to think how much Honda would charge for the titanium conrods ;)

[MINIHORSE]

Less Availability = Higher Value

pre 1960 VW's were so common up until about 15 yrs ago, prior to then you could pick up one for less than 500 bucks, but as they become thinner on the ground, the value essentially goes nothern,

ANY thing that was made in a small volume, or was made in a large volume but is now less common, is going to worth money,

this theory applies to anything

-Cars As above
-Watches, Vintage Breitling and Rolex now sell for 5 times the orig price
-Sneakers, Jordan 1's retailed for under 200 back in 84, now an original pair has been seen to be sold at excess of $1500

i could go on...................

but who cares, get over it, if you cant afford an ae86 just buy a KE70, they are the same arent they!

[Kid Karola]

Is there a "Asakura Tax" because of the Fairlady 240Z in Wangan Midnight?? That cartoon started in the early 90's too, but people considered the S30 a classic long before that... it remains a nostalgic hero today along with other models, like the Hakosuka Skyline, TE27 Trueno and Levin, Datsun 510, Mazda R100, RX2, RX3.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1186/1235745523_36a9ece96f.jpg

The AE86 is already 25 years old and will be revered as highly if not more so than other cars of similar vintage.

[driftke70]

Wrong, you're shooting blanks...
I know a guy that works for Toyota in Japan through whom I bought many OEM parts and he told me that in the last 6 months almost ten years worth of OEM parts have been sold almost depleting the stock entirely..

And I know about having fun in cars that's why I own an evo to thrash around in but hey I will support you killing your 86 cos that will be another wanker not owning one..

cull the attitude, wont be asking again.

[shinobi]

Its not an attitude its an opinion and im entitled to one..

[driftke70]

that was a warning, which is based on my opinion, which im entitled to.

[shinobi]

big whoop

[todd]

more <3, less :@

[shinobi]

Well hes taking sides! i have such an outspoken attitude... Defending AE86's on a AE86 designated Forum.. How Ludicrous!!

[rthy]

srsly pplz if u cant afford the tax (for any classic or nostalgic car) buy a hyundai
http://www.motorsm.com/Aus/cars/SOYC/excel_a.jpg

[Mr Awsome]

if that cars from SA i think i might cry

[rthy]

it sure is... it sure is...

[shift_rook]

what's wrong with it?? they're are built of pure quality and they're stylish:D

[sun_moon]

:cries: ................ Korea's finest :cries:

[Clinton]

i own a pink one!

[RolandGTV85]

back on topic....you know what I'm sick and tired of seeing.......
I'm doing my daily browz on this forum and once too often i see....

"WTB Cheap Sprinter" pref with no rust in good condition.....

I F***ING hate this title. Lets just say you get a cheap one... at the end of the day its usally a heap of shit and you still think your king dick cos you got an 86. and you fill it with cheap shit and just make it worse....

Personally myself, to get my car to where it is today, its taken x3 sprinters and about 25K to buy and restore my current LEVIN. I dont think people appriciate the time and effort some people put into their cars. I'm not saying that I will get 25K for mine but when people leave notes on your car and then you call em, they offer a low ball of 6k. And then they say take it or leave it.........These f***ers approched me......


anyhoo... no such thing as a cheap good condition/quality spinter....


Buy a hyundai! can never go wrong =P

[rthy]

back on topic....you know what I'm sick and tired of seeing.......
I'm doing my daily browz on this forum and once too often i see....

"WTB Cheap Sprinter" pref with no rust in good condition.....

I F***ING hate this title. Lets just say you get a cheap one... at the end of the day its usally a heap of shit and you still think your king dick cos you got an 86. and you fill it with cheap shit and just make it worse....

I think the abos called it the Dream time

[sun_moon]

ha ha

[Vance]

when people leave notes on your car and then you call em, they offer a low ball of 6k. And then they say take it or leave it.........These f***ers approched me......

sounds like you need to invest in a 'not for sale' sign to put on display in your car when you park it places. youll only ever get wankers offering you peanuts

[sun_moon]

as soon as they offer a low amount, laugh in there face and call them poor and hang up lol

[Revan]

back on topic....you know what I'm sick and tired of seeing.......
I'm doing my daily browz on this forum and once too often i see....

"WTB Cheap Sprinter" pref with no rust in good condition.....

I F***ING hate this title. Lets just say you get a cheap one... at the end of the day its usally a heap of shit and you still think your king dick cos you got an 86. and you fill it with cheap shit and just make it worse....

Personally myself, to get my car to where it is today, its taken x3 sprinters and about 25K to buy and restore my current LEVIN. I dont think people appriciate the time and effort some people put into their cars. I'm not saying that I will get 25K for mine but when people leave notes on your car and then you call em, they offer a low ball of 6k. And then they say take it or leave it.........These f***ers approched me......


anyhoo... no such thing as a cheap good condition/quality spinter....


Buy a hyundai! can never go wrong =P

I hear you, and am probably guilty of a near identical post some years back,

but there's something we miss when bagging rookies to this scene...

they are INTERESTED in these cars. they are people who don't want a VL turbo or a swift with 4 tachos or the newest fastest HSV etc etc etc....

they're dudes who so love the idea of owning a car that is by all outsiders view, an "ugly, slow, old piece of shit". that is, They have seen the light, they anticipate what fun and pleasure can be had, they don't care what their mates and chicks think..... so basically even the most noobie 86 fan.... is probably someone you'd get along with great, away from your keyboards.

[shinobi]

back on topic....you know what I'm sick and tired of seeing.......
I'm doing my daily browz on this forum and once too often i see....

"WTB Cheap Sprinter" pref with no rust in good condition.....

I F***ING hate this title. Lets just say you get a cheap one... at the end of the day its usally a heap of shit and you still think your king dick cos you got an 86. and you fill it with cheap shit and just make it worse....

Personally myself, to get my car to where it is today, its taken x3 sprinters and about 25K to buy and restore my current LEVIN. I dont think people appriciate the time and effort some people put into their cars. I'm not saying that I will get 25K for mine but when people leave notes on your car and then you call em, they offer a low ball of 6k. And then they say take it or leave it.........These f***ers approched me......


anyhoo... no such thing as a cheap good condition/quality spinter....


Buy a hyundai! can never go wrong =P

Word :thumbup:

[ae86]

I hear you, and am probably guilty of a near identical post some years back,

but there's something we miss when bagging rookies to this scene...

they are INTERESTED in these cars. they are people who don't want a VL turbo or a swift with 4 tachos or the newest fastest HSV etc etc etc....

they're dudes who so love the idea of owning a car that is by all outsiders view, an "ugly, slow, old piece of shit". that is, They have seen the light, they anticipate what fun and pleasure can be had, they don't care what their mates and chicks think..... so basically even the most noobie 86 fan.... is probably someone you'd get along with great, away from your keyboards.

this is true but alot of them are people who just see videos on youtube or I.D and think they will get far with the bare minimum and plus thinking its a cheap car cause its 25 years old... i probably couldve had a nice s13 bynow which would have been cheaper but back on topic, these peope dont research enough before they get into the game,

[Kid Karola]

back on topic....you know what I'm sick and tired of seeing.......
I'm doing my daily browz on this forum and once too often i see....

"WTB Cheap Sprinter" pref with no rust in good condition.....

...

anyhoo... no such thing as a cheap good condition/quality spinter....


There was a time when this was true, I picked up a clean straight ADM in 1999 for a cool grand :D but the kids today need to be realistic, 3-4 grand is the going rate for something decent. Is that a lot of money? not really. Something with motor swap or good sus mods 5-7 grand and a JDM Import is going to be 8+ with most having some fruit fitted between 10-12 grand.
Most people are hanging onto their cars these days, so it's no wonder its costing more to convince them to sell. As has been mentioned modifying cars isn't cheap, if you're the stingey type, don't think you'll get far in the scene.

[driftke70]

i bumped into takumi once and he wanted 5 bucks for talking, i always assumed thats what takumi tax was?

[DRFT]

The truth is that there are never going to be any more ae86s being produced. In 50 years time this car will be worth more than a delorean or a phase 3 gtfago. Ive got three so my retirement is set.

[44GTE]

The truth is that there are never going to be any more ae86s being produced. In 50 years time this car will be worth more than a delorean or a phase 3 gtfago. Ive got three so my retirement is set.

Nice comment, but we who own then could only wish thats what they will be worth

[Frak]

I have had my 86 for 15 years now, I have no plan of selling it, I like it, I like how it drives, I like how it looks, sure a newer performance car will handle better/go better, but who cares!

I wish they were worth more, not to push the price up BUT to stop retards from buying them!

It's the last of the light weight rear wheel drive vehicles, unless you have a wad of cash to buy a twin turbo 1 series BMW.

[Instigator]

I was once a youngster who had no idea about cars. I used to read Hot 4s and want big bodykits and doof.

Then in around 2000-2001 I got into anime and manga a bit and found Initial D.

Haters say what you like but it got me into Toyotas and fostered a fondness of 86s that may one day see me own one. I'd like to think that being a few years ahead of the bandwagonners means I'm not quite as lame as them. :jdmsmile:

It's only been the last year or two that I've started to get into working on my own cars, researching ways to mod them, what parts I want to run etc. Before that I didn't really know or was too intimidated to try things in case I stuffed it up so I drove a bog stock SS Commodore.

For the meantime I can't justify the cost of a nice/done up/restored one and don't have the space to do it myself how I'd want to so I have my 71 to have fun in.

[Instigator]

Might be a topic for a different thread also but wtf is the go with all this JDM this JDM that yo?

A part is a part as far as I'm concerned if it looks similar, does the same job and offers no benfits over a local part wtf is the point? So you can say "Yeh bru I have fully hektik JDM mirrors on my car aye"?

I will not be spending my hard earned on something just because it comes from Japan if a locally made/sourced item does the same job. I noticed someone said something about a bottle being different to clear something that's fair enough...

[Kid Karola]

Yes the whole JDM thing is a little over played as ALL the AE86's were manufactured in Japan and exported, all be it to slightly different specs depending on if they were for the Japanese Domestic Market, Australia, USA, Europe, UK, etc... so they are all effectively Made in Japan (unlike KE's that were put together in Japan, Africa and even Melbourne!)

[sun_moon]

wow instigator said something pretty decent and true.

i agree.... so many people just FAP at japanese parts or japanese tuning houses and shit english.


anywhoo, back to topic. i have two point five ae86s, so my retirement is set.

[MJ86]

Might be a topic for a different thread also but wtf is the go with all this JDM this JDM that yo?

A part is a part as far as I'm concerned if it looks similar, does the same job and offers no benfits over a local part wtf is the point? So you can say "Yeh bru I have fully hektik JDM mirrors on my car aye"?

I will not be spending my hard earned on something just because it comes from Japan if a locally made/sourced item does the same job. I noticed someone said something about a bottle being different to clear something that's fair enough...

Jesus, watch out you could get banned for having an opinion like that on here, but yeah agree 100% with what your saying.

[Kid Karola]

www.yahoo.co.jp/auction/900,000円 Levin (http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b100853143) watch this and see what it goes for... Even at this price it would be $20000+ landed.

[Frak]

www.yahoo.co.jp/auction/900,000円 Levin (http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b100853143) watch this and see what it goes for... Even at this price it would be $20000+ landed.

That is in awsome condition!

[Kid Karola]

only 5 6 4 8 6 km full Toyota service history FTW!

[Revan]

The truth is that there are never going to be any more ae86s being produced. In 50 years time this car will be worth more than a delorean or a phase 3 gtfago. Ive got three so my retirement is set.

pwoooaaah careful there son, I'm first to climb aboard the aussie V8-taxi-cab bashing..... but settle.... the delorean sure, the car was a lemon and market failure which lives on only in the minds of "back to the future devotees"...

but easy on the GTHO, and Congrats to ppl who have a mint one....

Have no interest in local cars these days, but keep in mind the old phase 3 was the fastest sedan in the world BAR NONE in its time. If the local blue oval boys pulled off the same feat today, you'd probably bow before whatever plasticky bodykit laden fake scoop wearing, heavy ass 22" rim pedalling monstrosity it might be...

again, never owned anything not built in japan, except i guess my KE70...

but you gotta give credit where credit is due.