abs in an 86?

[johnny_08]

hey guys,
just had a nice lock up on the slippery, greasy roads tonight and almost hit my boss's car, and i was wondering if any 86's have abs installed, as a custom or replacement brake setup. Or would it just not be worth the effort and just do an advanced driving course :P

[RobertoX]

buy a new car lol!

[johl]

lol theres a reason why people that have abs installed in their cars (like an r32) removed when they want to slide it

[orange32]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johl @ Dec 4 2007, 01:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=446359)</div>
lol theres a reason why people that have abs installed in their cars (like an r32) removed when they want to slide it[/b]


for four wheel lock ups mother fucker! thats why i'm doing it to mine. You can have my abs unit if you want it? probably wont fit and its probably fucked but hey, its free

[johnny_08]

no new car i could afford would match my car, for stiffness and discomfort that is :P or would better tyres be the go?

[riojin]

um not having abs teaches you how to break properly so you dont lock up. it teaches you progressive break peddling.

even if you have abs after learning this skill your car will stop faster if you know how to not activate it.

[johnny_08]

but theres not that many times i would be on the point of locking up, only in the rain its done it. ive used that technique before and that was on a down hill i didnt know, but im just talking about the times where u just hit the brakes and not think.

[Bustin_86]

Not necessary

Get better tyres and get to know the car better

Or slow down

[86xxx]

As justin said, learn to drive

[johnny_08]

well not to turn this into a shit fight, but i am a good driver, its just that my boss came out of a car park fast without looking and i had to hit the brakes, im not the problem, other dumb fucks on the road are

[AmyC]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Johnny_08 @ Dec 4 2007, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=446795)</div>
well not to turn this into a shit fight, but i am a good driver, its just that my boss came out of a car park fast without looking and i had to hit the brakes, im not the problem, other dumb fucks on the road are[/b]
Yeah well people will cut you off, pull out in front of you, Animals will run out in front of you every now and then so deal with it. ABS in a Ae86 will cost you shit loads.

Piping.
ABS unit.
Sensors.
Toothed signal wheels.
Wiring.

Not worth the effort in my books but hey don't let any one stop you if you want it that bad.

Des ;)

[johnny_08]

yea spose ur right, just wanted to see if anyone with time/skill has done it

[roadsailing]

learn to drive!

i hit a guy a while ago (who appeared in front of me) and ABS would not have made shit all difference

[Jonny Rochester]

If you wanted to, installing ABS in a AE86 would not be that hard. The units can be got cheap if drifters are removing them. You get to keep your original master cylinder and brakes. The ABS unit goes anywhere in the engine bay you want. You need the wheels speed sensors of course, which maybe the hardest bit to mount. Not too hard, its just very few people want it. You could turn it off with a switch if that's what you wanted.

[rthy]

mounting those toothed wheels might be very hard indeed...

[Gunner]

mounting toothed wheels, and calibrating it to work properly would be a bitch, its not worth it, practise ur braking and upgrade the brakes, just think bout it like this, u need an abs unit, a control unit for the abs, u need to modify hubs for the speed sensors, u need to wire it all, u need to fabricate lines, and then it still might not work right. its just not worth the money

[r3zzz4]

Im gonna throw a noob comment in and say, doesn't the ABS get calibrated to dry road conditions?
Therefore wouldn't it still lock up in the wet due to being set for a grippier surface and more force needed to activate it?
And if this is so wouldn't you technically have half braking power in the dry if its set for the wet?
Or have I had my head under a rock for a few years in regards to ABS technology?

We all stuff up at times due to ourselves or others poor driving or random circumstances.

You can be the best driver in the world, does that mean the idiot in the other car knows that and wont pull out infront of you?

Hell no...

trust no-one, drive slower and look after YOUR car, sounds like your boss can't drive either.

[skin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Johnny_08 @ Dec 4 2007, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=446795)</div>
im not the problem, other dumb fucks on the road are[/b]



Pretty sure with an attitude like that you may be the problem

[Driftspec]

I'm pretty sure ABS relies on the speed of the wheel. If the wheel stops (ie locked up) no matter the conditions, it triggers the system to release pressure momentarily to get the wheel moving again and give you grip (no locked wheel). Pretty simplistic way of describing it, but I'm pretty sure thats how it all works.

It probably can be done, its just a matter of who would do it for you. However, if its for the reason if improving braking efficiency and avoiding those situations, there are plenty of other paths to look at before you look at something that could be as expensive as a custom ABS setup. Larger brakes, tyres, pressures etc will all help. Defensive driving skills are always a good thing to have. Not having a go at you (certainly not doubting your experience), but there's a few other things to look at if its just improving braking or avoiding those incidents.

Should mention too: don't let this stop you, if you want to do and can find someone that can help get it going, don't be afraid to do it! :)

[johnny_08]

well it was merely a suggestion, and i dont really have the finances right now to do it, nor screw arround and pretend to know what im doing :P well my brakes are good, i guess, for the car (jap slotted, F/R). would different pads be considered? also yes, i would love to do an advanced driving course on a wet track (or the like), i have yet to see the limits of the car in the wet, it just seems to catch me out at random times :P

[Jonny Rochester]

For a thoughtful person that knows how to use a lathe and a welder if needed, putting ABS in your car should not be too hard or expensive. Certainly easier than converting a carby car to EFI.

The early ABS units are fairly self contained. It should not need much calibration as it works on wheel speed.

[Gunner]

look im probly gonna get burned for this but go find a nice open area and find ur limits, thats what i did and im a hell of alot better off for doin it, just dont be silly while doin so, find out what makes ur car spin, lock up, become unstuck or whateva else just be smart, or u will kill urself

[johnny_08]

or smash the fck outta my pride and joy :P, ive already been lucky in 1 accident (read: not me driving, passenger when i was young)

[ancullen]

thats why u find a very open area.

sure beats runnin up someones ass, or better yet killin someone

[Driftspec]

I found that I learned a lot from track days, so I highly recommend them to anyone. Drift days, circuit days, gymkhanas (sp?), you can learn so much about the limits of the car without endangering yourself or anyone else. I'd recommend defensive driving courses too, again, you get to learn about the limits of different cars, what to do in different situations, etc.

[Gunner]

yeh they r good if u have the money too fund them, hopefully if "hoons against street racing" takes off everyone might be able to get involved in some cheap motorsport