T50 mission expensive?

[hatzo]

Ive noticed that T50 tranmissions found in AE71s, and ADM AE86s
cost around $350

call me crazy but that is very steep for a gearbox that exactly handle much torque.
and is 20yo old...

eg S13 SRTurbo box $450...

I might be over reacting but the whole market should
take a step back and think what they are doing..

Supply and demand not takumi tax :(

[08ftw]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hatzo @ Dec 20 2007, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=455751)</div>
Ive noticed that T50 tranmissions found in AE71s, and ADM AE86s
cost around $350

call me crazy but that is very steep for a gearbox that exactly handle much torque.
and is 20yo old...

eg S13 SRTurbo box $450...

I might be over reacting but the whole market should
take a step back and think what they are doing..

Supply and demand not takumi tax :([/b]

Im pretty sure you can pick up a T50 from the wreckers for around $150? Thats what i have heard. The only thing i really look for on this site is stuff that doesn't come stock for my car. Everything else such as spares i pretty much look @ the wreckers.

[Javal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hatzo @ Dec 20 2007, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=455751)</div>
Ive noticed that T50 tranmissions found in AE71s, and ADM AE86s
cost around $350

call me crazy but that is very steep for a gearbox that exactly handle much torque.
and is 20yo old...

eg S13 SRTurbo box $450...

I might be over reacting but the whole market should
take a step back and think what they are doing..

Supply and demand not takumi tax :([/b]

The problem is getting the right version.

The T-50 was in a few different cars behind a few different motors, however only the AE71 and the AE86 have the right input / output splines.

Fact is they are getting harder and harder to come by.

[hatzo]

meh , i deal with grey importers all the time...

I felt that i was spat in the face :(

[dustyae86]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hatzo @ Dec 20 2007, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=455805)</div>
meh , i deal with grey importers all the time...

I felt that i was spat in the face :([/b]


it's cause of all the GZE owners :P anyway... anyone have links between the differences etc between all the t50's because i would say one from say a t-18 wouldn't have been thrashed,and would be "fresh" so if it's just a case of changing the input shafts over it's easy

[Bustin_86]

Im 90% sure its actually just a case of changing bellhousings over.

T18 gearboxes arent plentiful, but they are much cheaper.

[seek]

ive always noticed that someone who puts up a WTB thread for example, will pay more for the box, then someone who snakes one in the FS parts section.

[amulday]

I rang up a few wreckers and toyota spares places, they all wanted in excess of $450 for an ADM T50. <_<

[hilton]

its what you pay to get it, so its what other pay to get it too.

not guna nock price down just coz you say so lol.

still cost the person who bought it that much.

lol.

[MountainRunner]

90% of those toyota spare place got em dirt cheap just wanna make a profit

[blair]

have u read "business for dummies"?

(y)

[Gilly]

AE71 and AE86 are the only boxes that bolt straight in and work

there aren't many AE71's or AE86's around these days, on the road or at the wreckers

They are rarely imported as AE86 halfcuts are no where near as common as S13 SR items ;) you have to normally find a JDM 86 halfcut and organise to bring it in instead of going to the local import wreckers and having the luxury of choice of 4 or 5 SR cuts

add to that GZE and GTE owners that use and destroy the T50 rather than upgrade to a W box

add to that they are costly to rebuild so damaged boxes get thrown away not reco'd

it is what it is, as far as i can recall they have been around the $300 mark. one of the only 86 parts that hasn't jmped up in price over the years e.g ADM 86 struts :blink:

also T18 out put shaft has 20 spline instead of 22, you can use the front half of a T18 tailshaft to make it work, quite frankly finding a T18 at the wreckers is just as hard as an AE71 or AE86

[DavisJD]

I personally think that t18's are heaps easier to find than 86's... Maybe its just a Tasmania thing haha.

I have 3 sitting in my backyard, once i pull the gearboxes out ill sell them on here cheap for you guys. I have them advertised on rollaclub for $100 each so yeah :P I'd say that t18 boxes are a viable, cheap replacement option. Front half of t18 tailshafts are cheap, everybody only wants the back bits!

Cheap replacement parts are tops

[HachiRoku]

Must be a Tassie thing. I'd kill for a cheap T-18, but the only one I've seen for sale recently, the dude was asking about 3k (granted it was in very good condition.)

[Anthony]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hatzo @ Dec 20 2007, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=455751)</div>
I might be over reacting but the whole market should
take a step back and think what they are doing..

Supply and demand not takumi tax :([/b]

Why is it so confusing when you answered your own question. Supply and demand - supply is reducing, demand is increasing and guess what? the price is going up...

[Javal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gilly @ Dec 21 2007, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=455950)</div>
also T18 out put shaft has 20 spline instead of 22, you can use the front half of a T18 tailshaft to make it work, quite frankly finding a T18 at the wreckers is just as hard as an AE71 or AE86[/b]

Correct, also, T-18 boxes have different input shaft splines, so they won't even fit up to an A motor.

Same splines as W boxes :)

[Anthony]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Javal @ Dec 22 2007, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=456543)</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gilly @ Dec 21 2007, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=455950)
also T18 out put shaft has 20 spline instead of 22, you can use the front half of a T18 tailshaft to make it work, quite frankly finding a T18 at the wreckers is just as hard as an AE71 or AE86[/b]

Correct, also, T-18 boxes have different input shaft splines, so they won't even fit up to an A motor.

Same splines as W boxes :)

Hence why when you go 4A + W5x you need to have a little center splined thingy from a supra put in the clutch instead of the normal one.
[/b][/quote]

No offence but thats pretty much all wrong.

[Javal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anthony @ Dec 22 2007, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=456546)</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Javal @ Dec 22 2007, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=456543)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gilly @ Dec 21 2007, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=455950)
also T18 out put shaft has 20 spline instead of 22, you can use the front half of a T18 tailshaft to make it work, quite frankly finding a T18 at the wreckers is just as hard as an AE71 or AE86[/b]

Correct, also, T-18 boxes have different input shaft splines, so they won't even fit up to an A motor.

Same splines as W boxes :)
[/b][/quote]

No offence but thats pretty much all wrong.
[/b][/quote]

None taken, some of it is assumption based on:

The fact that i have installed a T-18 spec T50 on a 3TGTE, which came standard with a W box, and an AE71 box would not bolt up (not only due to different bellhousing, but different input splines.

However i'll concede that the 4a-w box thing is almost entirely assumed / only read about, so i'm not sure whether there's truth in it.

For those playing at home, there are about 3 different versions of the T50.

[Anthony]

I think your "AE71" box may have been actually a K box. AE70 import perhaps?? Because (bell housings and tailshaft aside) an AE71 box will always go where a T18 box was.

The main difference in T50s is output length and spline. 18 (rare) 20 and 22 (AE71/86) are the sizes.

[Javal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anthony @ Dec 22 2007, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=456555)</div>
I think your "AE71" box may have been actually a K box. AE70 import perhaps?? Because (bell housings and tailshaft aside) an AE71 box will always go where a T18 box was.

The main difference in T50s is output length and spline. 18 (rare) 20 and 22 (AE71/86) are the sizes.[/b]

100% sure it was a T box. It was a T-40 actually, fresh out of Lawsons AE71 panel van, so i decided to try and fit it up to see if there was any truth in it.

Odd...

[Anthony]

OK but we were talking about the T18 box you claimed has supra sized input shafts. This is simply untrue - a T18 box has the same input shaft as any other T50 (AE71, AE86 etc etc).

Just wanted to point that out since the idea of this thread is finding cheaper T50's - unless you were trying to get them all for yourself :P

[Javal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anthony @ Dec 22 2007, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=456566)</div>
OK but we were talking about the T18 box you claimed has supra sized input shafts. This is simply untrue - a T18 box has the same input shaft as any other T50 (AE71, AE86 etc etc).

Just wanted to point that out since the idea of this thread is finding cheaper T50's - unless you were trying to get them all for yourself :P[/b]

Ha, T-50's are of no use to me.

HOWEVER. i have had a little revalation:

This said 3TGTE was fitted with a 3TC clutch.

Which would explain why the T-18 T50 fit.

I just assumed they were the same spline because the 3TGTE came standard with a W box.

So there you go, if you want to put a T-50 behind your 3TGTE or 2TGEU, fit a 3TC pressure plate / clutch disc to it! (bolts up to the 3TG flywheel)

Not sure why you'd want to do that though....

[driftke70]

i got a spare the other day for a carton of beer!

i was going to sell it but i figured my antics are going to lead to a need for it sooner or later. I can get 300 bucks anywhere, but i cant get a t50 anywhere!

pretty much too expensive to put new gear sets in them, for 86 bums anyhoo. So they are a disposable item for most. Which is sad, dont forget those wierd people who never finish their cars but always horde lots of parts for some reason.

[hatzo]

I went to U-Pulll it and couldn't find one...

meh i still got about a month to track one down any way...

I suggest all to Get SR turboz.
mad flutterz , and cheap boxes...

[ae71]

Javal, ill let you in with a secret then mate, if the 3tc clutch fits your 3tg then a bigport clutch will also fit, or more to the point, aftermarket (button) clutches will also suit it ;)

[Javal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ae71 @ Dec 23 2007, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=456881)</div>
Javal, ill let you in with a secret then mate, if the 3tc clutch fits your 3tg then a bigport clutch will also fit, or more to the point, aftermarket (button) clutches will also suit it ;)[/b]

Not my 3TG, belonged to AJPS at the time, still not sure if it's moved :lol:

Wouldn't mind getting my hands on that actually.....

Handy tidbit of info you have there.

[Tyrie]

how do you tell if you've got a jap/aus T50? Other than bellhousing...

[Javal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tyrie @ Dec 24 2007, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=457433)</div>
how do you tell if you've got a jap/aus T50? Other than bellhousing...[/b]

In my experience they're basically the same bar the bellhousing / slave cyl / clutch fork (which my even be the same actually...)

However i've never cracked one open.

Some seem to think they are stronger than ADM ones, bigger bearings maybe? Probably not though, just speculation.

[Tyrie]

yeah thats what I'd read, that jap ones are stronger. I've got one with each bellhousing, and was wondering which was worth breaking behind my 4agte :P

Also is it true that ae71 vans had a larger output shaft?

[Javal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tyrie @ Dec 24 2007, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=457512)</div>
yeah thats what I'd read, that jap ones are stronger. I've got one with each bellhousing, and was wondering which was worth breaking behind my 4agte :P

Also is it true that ae71 vans had a larger output shaft?[/b]

Break the ADM one, sell the jap one, and put a W5x behind it, fool.

No the panel vans run the exact same version of the T-50 as the ADM sprinters / AE71's.

However they MAY use 1 piece tailshafts. one particular one i did the gearbox on had a 1 piece, however i'm not sure if it was a custom jobbie or not.

[Gilly]

only difference between JDM and ADM internally is the speedo drive to suit different diff gears (ADM 3.9 JDM 4.3)

[dustyae86]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Javal @ Dec 24 2007, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=457518)</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tyrie @ Dec 24 2007, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=457512)
yeah thats what I'd read, that jap ones are stronger. I've got one with each bellhousing, and was wondering which was worth breaking behind my 4agte :P

Also is it true that ae71 vans had a larger output shaft?[/b]

I hope not, may have to check this out, have two gearboxes kicking around in the workshop somewhere i might measure
Break the ADM one, sell the jap one, and put a W5x behind it, fool.

No the panel vans run the exact same version of the T-50 as the ADM sprinters / AE71's.

However they MAY use 1 piece tailshafts. one particular one i did the gearbox on had a 1 piece, however i'm not sure if it was a custom jobbie or not.
[/b][/quote]

Nope not custom, my dads has a one piece tailshaft too

[biggo]

celica t50s will never fit. even changing the cases around wont work as the shifter has 3 selector rods instead of 1. shifter is in the wrong spot too on celica t50s

[dustyae86]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tyrie @ Dec 24 2007, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=457512)</div>
yeah thats what I'd read, that jap ones are stronger. I've got one with each bellhousing, and was wondering which was worth breaking behind my 4agte :P

Also is it true that ae71 vans had a larger output shaft?[/b]

nope their both the same i have found out :P

[yoshimitsu9]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hatzo @ Dec 23 2007, 04:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=456786)</div>
I went to U-Pulll it and couldn't find one...

meh i still got about a month to track one down any way...

I suggest all to Get SR turboz.
mad flutterz , and cheap boxes...[/b]

just use an rb20 box. then it will line up with the sprinter gear stick hole