your views for australia for the next few years

[stefan]

where do you think australia is heading in the next few years?

goverment population cars workforce etc

tell me your thoughts

[FLT LNR]

/\/\ FYI our dollar getting stronger is bad for jobs here. our exports are more expensive to overseas markets. ( IE they don't want em) it's good for foreign investment tho.

on topic... our situation.... is in a whole lot of strife with inflation, and thus interest rate hikes.

why? the irresponsibly huge tax cut package passed by howard in a last ditch bid to save the election.

rudd can/must try to reverse/erase them if we have a hope.

even then, there'll still be inflationary pressure from housing and W.A's rampant commodity 'boom'. talk is that the resource orgy goin on over there has a lifespan of around 6-10 years... and when the hangover kicks in we'll have an assload of structural unemployment.

as for labor taking office, we'll see a raft of touchy feely speeches, apologies, troop withdrawrals.... all things which were probably overdue under howard. but they'll all distract the govt from what is essentially an economic situation roughly 5 years overdue for a recession, and hurting bad from 11 years of skills neglect, topped off with cowboy promises in spending from the incumbants pre november..

doom and gloom? maybe, but if youve studied the shit, australia has a wierd knack, being a "branch economy" ie an offshore outpost of the worlds organisations... that it tends to make us feel hardly any of the mainstream global trends, ie the big boys trade blows in the playground, but their piggy bank back in their bedroom (aus) donst feel it.

put simply though, govts seriosuly affecting economic upswings/downturns is as rare as rockinghorse shit. (dosnt stop them from taking credit for upswings, and oppositions blaming for downturns.) but all we really need to know is that there'll be probably 3-4 intersest rate hikes this year, then it'll level out and drop. and prices of goods will increase by CPI of 2-3% every year your'e alive.

ps. petrols nearly twice as much in the UK. go with the flow y'all. property and beer is too expensive, but this is Australia not Pakistan. youre not gonna get blown up and our lifestyle aint noticeably changing for years to come. Enjoy. Peace.

[riojin]

the howard was working very hard to stop a recession by organising trade deals and maximizing on exports. but the way he went about it if there would be a suden change in the market it wouldn't push us into a recession but an all our depression.

the labor government seems to be doing something different. theyre trying to hold off the recession but letting our dollar value slip. this way if theres a sudden change in the market we'll drop into a recession and hold off a depression.


i hear constant reports that we have less than 1 year of food left in this country and this is because of two reasons. we have less than 1 year of water left in our food growing regions. the murray darling system has just about had it. when this goes it will mean we will have to import all our food from overseas like so many other countries (mainly south american countries who burn forestland because of the rich soil in order to grow crops). it costs more oney to grow our own food now than it does to import it from overseas because of the water shortage.

we however are already importing quite a large amount of food. this is another problem. when we cannot grow our own food we will see the import prices go up even more. world food prices have already gone up 30% recently.


people always complain about oil prices and how when oil prices go too high they wont be able to run their cars. running my car doesnt bother me, having food and water does. when oil prices get too high it will cost too much to produce food (worldwide), cost too much to ship food to us.


our environment is really taking a hit. humans have destroyed this planet to a state where it will almost be unrepairable. we can really notice the changes in the weather. this is only to get worse.


religion is a major factor for most division in all countries. the world see this but hasnt done much about it yet. it will soon. australia has already banned scripture in public schools because this incited hatred between even children. more will be done

[ke70dave]

i don't know much about economy stuff

but what i do know is everything is getting more and more expensive for the average person, so over the next few years

The richer will get richer, and the poorer will get poorer

[af300e]

On the interest rate front, Keating gave us 17% in 1992 so put a sock in it about Howard and his tax cuts causing inflation. It is a fallacy, a product of socialist propaganda and only those who are faint of intellect believe it.

State Labor governments are to blame for the water crisis, the worsening hospital situations, the quality of the roads, trains that do not run on time or at all in a lot of cases, the fact that we pay 5 times the stamp duty on houses as the next highest country which is the UK.

There are many more likely factors for the rise of inflation. Cheap credit and personal loan rates are a major one along with the generally greater level of finacial security that people enjoy now which allows them to spend money on a higher degree of luxury. Tax cuts alone do not and cannot create inflation.

The union movement spent $30,000,000 (of its members money i might add) on propaganda having the socialist left elected at the precious election. This has contributed to inflation. Why don't you have stab at them?

[AEE86]

^^ Spot on, I'd like to add that the tax cuts promised were possible because the Howard Govt ran a budget surplus, and their policy was to give excess tax collected back to taxpayers. That suited me fine. Watch for your taxes go up under Labor in the not too distant future.

[verm69]

to compensate for all the computers they'll be giving out... if they keep that promise :lol:

[japlish]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (riojin @ Feb 11 2008, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=483677)</div>
the howard was working very hard to stop a recession by organizing trade deals and maximizing on exports. but the way he went about it if there would be a sudden change in the market it wouldn't push us into a recession but an all our depression.[/b]

Depression I don't thinks so. If you know your history you'd know that the government back in the 1930's had know idea how to deal with recession. There idea was to cut spending which actually causes more recession and eventually depression. Any way I think we've learnt allot since those days. I don't think any Australian government would be stupid enough to let the country fall into a depression again.

It's easy for us young people in our early twenties who have never lived in a recession to think that a recession is not a normal occurrence. One thing every body needs to remember though is that the economic situation of this country will have many peaks and troughs in our life time. So to all stupid Australians who mortgaged them selves to the hilt in the last few years. So they could have a better house than they really need, a new car or your own in home theatre. ITS YOUR OWN STUPID FAULT. Of course interest rates were eventually going to go up its apart of the normal economic cycle. You can't really blame the Government. We need to plan for it in our spending.

[floody31]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnO2 @ Feb 11 2008, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=483751)</div>
It's easy for us young people in our early twenties who have never lived in a recession to think that a recession is not a normal occurrence.[/b]

What a recession like the one we had only a bit over a decade ago?

[raceAE86]

Its simple the cost of living goes up all round (food, rent/mortgage, petrol etc) and our wages stay the same or we get wage reductions. The last government we had wanted australia to be a lot like the U.S no middle class just upper class and a lower class strugglers batteling every day just to survive. The rich get richer and the poor get kicked while there in the gutter.
My 2 cents..

[FLT LNR]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (af300e @ Feb 11 2008, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=483694)</div>
On the interest rate front, Keating gave us 17% in 1992 so put a sock in it about Howard and his tax cuts causing inflation. It is a fallacy, a product of socialist propaganda and only those who are faint of intellect believe it.

State Labor governments are to blame for the water crisis, the worsening hospital situations, the quality of the roads, trains that do not run on time or at all in a lot of cases, the fact that we pay 5 times the stamp duty on houses as the next highest country which is the UK.

There are many more likely factors for the rise of inflation. Cheap credit and personal loan rates are a major one along with the generally greater level of finacial security that people enjoy now which allows them to spend money on a higher degree of luxury. Tax cuts alone do not and cannot create inflation.

The union movement spent $30,000,000 (of its members money i might add) on propaganda having the socialist left elected at the precious election. This has contributed to inflation. Why don't you have stab at them?[/b]

the union movement? you mean the aussies who willingly and voluntarily pay union fees and agree with the ads they paid for?

compared to the govt ads leading up to it, paid for by EVERYONEs tax dollars? hmmmmm good point.

youre right about the labor state govt fuckups... but then i never said i backed them.

and "TAX CUTS CANNOT CREATE INFLATION" hahaha damn. if thats the truth i better get my 20 grand back for my economics major... cos apparently it was all lies lol.

[af300e]

Firstly, less and less Aussies are union members. This is because the unions are largely irrelevant, there are many safeguards entrenched in law to prevent the exploitation of laws.

Secondly, it was Howard who created voluntary unionism. Previous to this the unions were very much compulsory, the engaged in stand over tactics and gang style intimidation against non-members and were generally positively anti-choice.

Thirdly, a very large majority of Australians voted for the previous government at the last election, a large enough majority to give them a majority in the senate. They represented the majority. Union members do not make up the majority of Australia's population.

And finally, the exact claim I made was that it was TAX CUTS ALONE which cannot create inflation. I'd get a refund on my English tuition first if I were you.

[Felix]

rudd = dud

but in this day and age, you cannot stuff up

interest rates go up, i don't care - just locked in my loan at 8.39% for 4 years

if they go up, more people will be forced to sell and i'll buy something cheap :2thumbs:

[japlish]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (floody31 @ Feb 11 2008, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=483803)</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnO2 @ Feb 11 2008, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=483751)
It's easy for us young people in our early twenties who have never lived in a recession to think that a recession is not a normal occurrence.[/b]

What a recession like the one we had only a bit over a decade ago?
[/b][/quote]

It has been 17 years since the last recession. Good luck for you if you can remember what a recession was like when you were 3 years of age. With all the financial hard ship and pressure you would have had to deal with at that age. My point is that most young people don't know or remember what its really like during a recession.

If nothing else, it is probably well overdue that we had another one. Certainly all the triggers are there - rising interest rates, high oil prices, excessive household debt, labour shortages.

I'm just saying its normal. Plan for it!!!

[rthy]

After the outbreak of a lethal virus in 2009, in 2012 U.S. Army virologist Lieutenant Colonel Robert Neville is left as the last healthy human along with his trusty dog in New York City and possibly the entire world. For three years, Neville is trying to discover a cure for this disease and to find out if any other people might have also survived. But most of humanity and transforms the rest into monsters, perhaps mankind's last, best hope, Neville is driven by only one remaining mission: to find a way to reverse the effects of the virus using his own immune blood. But his blood is also what The Infected hunt, and Neville knows he is outnumbered and quickly running out of time.

[Sherlock]

^^^ Good movie :lol:

P.s. Who else wasn't shocked to hear that the Aboriginal people are asking for more money on the verge of the Rudd apology?

[eastcoastdrifter]

not suprised

[Jason]

Learn to deep throat the US...

[FLT LNR]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (af300e @ Feb 11 2008, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=484030)</div>
Firstly, less and less Aussies are union members. This is because the unions are largely irrelevant, there are many safeguards entrenched in law to prevent the exploitation of laws.

Secondly, it was Howard who created voluntary unionism. Previous to this the unions were very much compulsory, the engaged in stand over tactics and gang style intimidation against non-members and were generally positively anti-choice.

Thirdly, a very large majority of Australians voted for the previous government at the last election, a large enough majority to give them a majority in the senate. They represented the majority. Union members do not make up the majority of Australia's population.

And finally, the exact claim I made was that it was TAX CUTS ALONE which cannot create inflation. I'd get a refund on my English tuition first if I were you.[/b]

I deliberatley left out the word "alone" from your post, to make a point. your rebuke on this matter still proves incorrect, because if there were no other inflationary pressures such as cost-push or demand-pull...... and fiscal policy was ALONE, and tax cuts were introduced..... then spending would be boosted, particularly if the tax cuts were aimed at low income earners, with the highest marginal propensity to consume...... Spending obviously being the biggest inflationary pressure.

if i didnt pay attention to your "tax cuts alone" wording, it's because tax cuts would never be on their own, in terms of the raft of inflationary pressures, but also because if they ever were on thier own, (tax cuts) they would certainly be inflationary. that is to say, yes, tax cuts, alone, would always be inflationary. no english error was made.

Your anti union rhetoric is also painfully flawed in terms of rebuttal, as my statement simply claimed the millions of union members who paid for the advertisements pre-election knew what their fees were for, unlike howards (more) expensive ads, which came from the tax dollars of everyone, even the 60% plus.... who voted him out... IE loosely worded..... theft.

oh, and the govt. controlled senate is seen by many proponents of democracy as one of the darkest chapters of australia's westminster system of government.

[af300e]

Union membership dropped by from almost 40%in 1992 to less than 26% in 2000 to barely 20% in 2007. Tha represents a swing of over 50% against the unions. The swing against Howard in the last election was in the vicinity of 6%.

Kevin Rudd won the last election on the back of Green preferences.

The public has turned its back on the unions in enormous numbers since the early 80's and all the way through the Hawke (an ex-union boss) and Keating and also John Howards time in office. The fact is that the public has discovered the unions to be corrupt, illgitimate, irrelevant, increasingly factionalised and far left wing.

[Matt-AE86]

Aslong as he gets us some fast internets, thats all that matters.

[quadeyquade]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Matt-AE86 @ Feb 13 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=485350)</div>
Aslong as he gets us some fast internets, thats all that matters.[/b]

agreed :) 1.5mbs isnt fast enough for me

[ae71neo]

More tracks? Better import rules?

[stefan]

allow moded vehicles to be fully enginered so no defects can be in place

[Jason]

lol keep dreaming.

[stefan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jason @ Feb 17 2008, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=488086)</div>
lol keep dreaming.[/b]


i know

we all dream of a place like this

its called japan/america

they run there cars into the ground or get very expensive to keep on road

private tracks in our own backyards!