13's on a ae86

[eightsixboy]

I have got some 13 by 7 0ish offset hotwires from a mates celica and was wondering if i should chuck them on my car?

They have good dish on them, my only concern is that knowone seems to run 13's at all, any reason why, i'm sure youd be able to find half decent tyres for them? They have bridgestone re25's (i think) on them atmo.

[irl86]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eightsixboy @ Jul 5 2008, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=557070)</div>
I have got some 13 by 7 0ish offset hotwires from a mates celica and was wondering if i should chuck them on my car?

They have good dish on them, my only concern is that knowone seems to run 13's at all, any reason why, i'm sure youd be able to find half decent tyres for them? They have bridgestone re25's (i think) on them atmo.[/b]


i hav 13x7'' superlites on my car i like them for cool dish an old skool style
tyres aint that hard to get either..

[hachirusto]

I think you will find that the reason why most people don't run 13's is that they are harder to come by in good offsets and widths, there are more 14s floating around that are like this, not that 13s are bad if you like them put them on and see what it looks like

[ae71]

can't fit big brakes under 13" either but alot of sprinters have stock/jdm so they are fine

[floody31]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ae71 @ Jul 5 2008, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=557083)</div>
can't fit big brakes under 13" either but alot of sprinters have stock/jdm so they are fine[/b]

UK Ford Escort rally guys get 4 pot willwoods etc under their 13s which would piss all over ye average import AE86 setup, hell probably even crap on the FC brakes...

[ae71]

a lot to do with rotor size and calliper/wheel design.

you need min of 14" wheel to fit over fc callipers, even then not all wheels will fit.

[federal]

the preferable size these days for grip would have to be 15's

[JoshKE]

Worst thing about 13" wheels is sidewall flex...

Thats the main reason I got 15" skid rims...

[marvis]

Good profile tyres are hard to find... So unless you are running anything under ~60 profile you are going to get flex. Fuuunnn.

I want 55's :(

[floody31]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (marvis @ Jul 5 2008, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=557114)</div>
unless you are running anything under ~60 profile you are going to get flex.[/b]


No different to 14s. However the reduction in rolling diameter is another story.

[Konakid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (floody31 @ Jul 5 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=557124)</div>
No different to 14s. However the reduction in rolling diameter is another story.[/b]

Exactly, so to get the same rolling diameter as stock (preferable) you would need to run 65 profile tyres which are balloon and would feel like arse. Brake setup is also compromised. 14 or 15 win.

[slydar]

i think they look too small in the guards. car has to be too slammed to look good, as in so low its impossible to have proper suspension geometry... ive run them before, had 13x8 super lites.. but it just doesnt work on a hachi.. you could pull it off in a 70 better.

[marvis]

I thought it was like 70 - 75 profile on stock? (Note: KE70)

And yes, they feel terrible.

[eightsixboy]

I put them on just before, they look better i reckon than my superlites (15 by 6). The pic doesn't do it any justice.

[marvis]

What is the specs on the tyres? Pics of them on the rear?

[eightsixboy]

there 185/60 on the front, and 205/60 on the rear. i'm guesing there 13 by 6 or 6.5 actually?

[Sturgey]

got 13 x 7 hotwires on my ksev and it grips awesomely :)

[SpotterOne]

Depends on what you are using them for. For tooling around on the streets, your better off with bigger wheels just because they look cool. If you want to run on a track, there are a couple of deciding factors.

As others have said, brakes can be an issue. If they fit over your brakes, thats one plus.
R-Spec tyre choice is plenty greater with 13" wheels. They are mostly 205/60 for that size rim, but you can get 215/50 in a Kumho V70A which will fit.
50 profile will provide better acceleration through having a smaller circumference. Top speed will suffer, but do you ever get to redline in 5th?
13" wheels/tyres are generally lighter than 14".

I have a set for the road and a set for the track. Makes the choice plenty easier.

[driftke70]

can make em work but they never look right

[eightsixboy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (driftke70 @ Jul 7 2008, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=557950)</div>
can make em work but they never look right[/b]

I see what you mean, i like how they have a bit of dish unlike my superlites but i would have to lower the rear and front maybe half and inch to get it to sit right.

I'm only borrowing them :teehee: , i will prob get some 14 by 7 or even 8 eventually.

Grip wise they seem the same as my 15's, the rear tyres are rubbish, but the fronts seem ok, slightly more understeer when pushing real hard though.

[biggo]

to make them look right you need to weigh <60kgs, own a pink pony and have the MEGA DISHES!

[Gilly]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (biggo @ Jul 7 2008, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=558159)</div>
to make them look right you need to weigh <60kgs, own a pink pony and have the MEGA DISHES![/b]

need to be period correct 80's spec meshies and the car must be slammed with Toyota racing livery plastered all over it

get those pics up Biggo!! they were gold

[stuntman]

dispite what the "fashion police" have been saying on here i think they look sweet as theres nothing wrong with 60 series tread thats what they all ran in the 70s pretty sure and as long as your brakes clear who cares you might even pick up the tires for cheaper than say 185 60 14s?? and they will be lighter weight too. Love the old school look i recon feel for yourself if theres too much side wall flex rather than listen to what other people recon also have a play with your tire pressures

[Konakid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stuntman @ Jul 7 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=558194)</div>
dispite what the "fashion police" have been saying on here i think they look sweet as theres nothing wrong with 60 series tread thats what they all ran in the 70s pretty sure and as long as your brakes clear who cares you might even pick up the tires for cheaper than say 185 60 14s?? and they will be lighter weight too. Love the old school look i recon feel for yourself if theres too much side wall flex rather than listen to what other people recon also have a play with your tire pressures[/b]

You will find that tyre technology and performance has come a bloody long way since the 70's! Trying to get good tyres for even 14's is becoming harder with many manufacturers dropping 14 inch size from their ranges all together, simply because hardly any cars from factory have wheels that small any more.

60 profile is sweet, on a 14inch, as large as you would want to go for performance use. The problem is to get the right rolling diameter in a 13 you need 65 or 70 profile tyres which will have far too much flex. Also what decent performance tyres are made in a 13inch with that big a profile? Fark all.

i guess 14's just make sense really.

Rumour has it that Bridgestone are bringing in a 185/60/14 Potenza RE001 Adrenaline!!!!!! Should be here by september.

[stuntman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meathead #2 @ Jul 7 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=558207)</div>
You will find that tyre technology and performance has come a bloody long way since the 70's! Trying to get good tyres for even 14's is becoming harder with many manufacturers dropping 14 inch size from their ranges all together, simply because hardly any cars from factory have wheels that small any more.

60 profile is sweet, on a 14inch, as large as you would want to go for performance use. The problem is to get the right rolling diameter in a 13 you need 65 or 70 profile tyres which will have far too much flex. Also what decent performance tyres are made in a 13inch with that big a profile? Fark all.

i guess 14's just make sense really.

Rumour has it that Bridgestone are bringing in a 185/60/14 Potenza RE001 Adrenaline!!!!!! Should be here by september.[/b]

i would agree that any larger than 60 series is really getting too large but a set of 205 60 13s isnt too small rolling diameter i donno what it works out to compaired to standard size but in terms of power think of it like installing a lower diff ratio and in terms of braking well your tires would be wider than standard and if you stripped some interior or other weight saving mods like alot of AE86 owners do then it probably wouldn't be a problem brakes would work better but tires might lock up a little easier only slightly I'm not speaking from experience with 13s just differing diameters in different cars ive owned so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Deffinately in terms of tire choice 15inch is the best

[TrackRona]

well i agree they're a bit small but i think 13's look good (if theyre old school and have a bit of depth to them) i have summitomos 205/60's on the back and 185/60 falkens up front, they work wonders through corners (sidewalls don't bend)

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/173029.jpg

:2thumbs:

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/173030.jpg

[ae71neo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meathead #2 @ Jul 7 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=558207)</div>
Rumour has it that Bridgestone are bringing in a 185/60/14 Potenza RE001 Adrenaline!!!!!! Should be here by september.[/b]

Best news i've heard all day!

[marvis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meathead #2 @ Jul 7 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=558207)</div>
You will find that tyre technology and performance has come a bloody long way since the 70's! Trying to get good tyres for even 14's is becoming harder with many manufacturers dropping 14 inch size from their ranges all together, simply because hardly any cars from factory have wheels that small any more.

60 profile is sweet, on a 14inch, as large as you would want to go for performance use. The problem is to get the right rolling diameter in a 13 you need 65 or 70 profile tyres which will have far too much flex. Also what decent performance tyres are made in a 13inch with that big a profile? Fark all.

i guess 14's just make sense really.

Rumour has it that Bridgestone are bringing in a 185/60/14 Potenza RE001 Adrenaline!!!!!! Should be here by september.[/b]

Stupid question, what are the benefits on a correct rolling diameter? Will running a 60 profile instead of a 70/75 make that much difference?

[driftke70]

gear ratios, speedo reading etc

you can get semi slicks in 13;s

potenza re001 for the major lose, not a very nice tyre. rather dish out for a semi


i have a pink pony, but i run 14's
http://a971.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/113/l_9022262114e66b54524ab601cf2b589a.jpg

[Konakid]

RE001 for the lose?

Everyone rates them better than the G3, itself an awesome tyre, they are cheap as chips at 140 or so bucks each

Compare that with semi's and there is no comparison, 4age86 on here said that in 195/50/15 they compare favorably to a semi slick.

Also, you can do skids on them, they are much more progressive than semis and they wont instantly flat spot when you lock them up.

[eightsixboy]

Stupid question but how does rolling diameter affect performance/handling?

[LAZY]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TTZ32 driver @ Jul 5 2008, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=557104)</div>
Worst thing about 13" wheels is sidewall flex...

Thats the main reason I got 15" skid rims...[/b]

sidewall flex is fixed with air pressure, not by the rim size.

[LAZY]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (floody31 @ Jul 5 2008, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=557091)</div>
UK Ford Escort rally guys get 4 pot willwoods etc under their 13s which would piss all over ye average import AE86 setup, hell probably even crap on the FC brakes...[/b]

Which willwoods, besides that there is no point in having a overkill braking system if the tires arent up to it.

[LAZY]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sturgey @ Jul 6 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=557290)</div>
got 13 x 7 hotwires on my ksev and it grips awesomely :)[/b]
:blink: rims grip???

[Konakid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LAZY @ Jul 10 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=559516)</div>
sidewall flex is fixed with air pressure, not by the rim size.[/b]

Wrong.

Sidewall flex is greater due to higher profiles but also largely influenced by rim width, tyre construction, width and as you said, air pressure.

[LAZY]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meathead #2 @ Jul 10 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=559525)</div>
Wrong.

Sidewall flex is greater due to higher profiles but also largely influenced by rim width, tyre construction, width and as you said, air pressure.[/b]


I was refering to his post

[floody31]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LAZY @ Jul 10 2008, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=559519)</div>
Which willwoods, besides that there is no point in having a overkill braking system if the tires arent up to it.[/b]

4 pot Forged Dynalites, or Midilites, on 247x20mm or 266x21 vented rotors are common and used under 13" wheels such as superlites and compomotive MLs by a lot of rally and circuit escort dudes.

[LAZY]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (floody31 @ Jul 10 2008, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=559690)</div>
4 pot Forged Dynalites, or Midilites, on 247x20mm or 266x21 vented rotors are common and used under 13" wheels such as superlites and compomotive MLs by a lot of rally and circuit escort dudes.[/b]
That doesnt mean squat considering pressure can be adjusted with a pedal box :whistling:

[floody31]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LAZY @ Jul 10 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=559804)</div>
That doesnt mean squat considering pressure can be adjusted with a pedal box :whistling:[/b]

Your point is what champ? You asked what people run, thats what they run.

[Konakid]

Whats your point?

JDM brakes with decent pads, rotors, fluid will be enough for 99% of people around here.

People with 86's, ke70 etc, don't run $2000+ wilwood setups. You were talking about Escorts drivers for some reason.

[floody31]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meathead #2 @ Jul 11 2008, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=559917)</div>
Whats your point?

JDM brakes with decent pads, rotors, fluid will be enough for 99% of people around here.

People with 86's, ke70 etc, don't run $2000+ wilwood setups. You were talking about Escorts drivers for some reason.[/b]

The assertion was that you can't get serious brakes under 13s, its patently obvious you can.

The Midilite kit with rotors is 274GBP or roughly $562; 266mm Dynalite kit 404GBP/$830....

As for talking about Escort drivers, their cars tend to run 13s hence I mentioned them as an example of cars which run 13" wheels and decent brakes. And rubber for that matter. Logical response I thought.

Just putting it out there that, even if the toymods route is fine for everyone on here, there are feasibly other options.
So, yeah well if all people are doing is running around a couple of corners sideways at a drift day I'm sure the JDM brakes are fine, and if people want 14"+ rims then FC brakes are fine.

[Ksevn-T]

Poll!!!

[san_10]

only need a few things to make 13's work on 86's.

width larger than 8" (assuming u still want that stretched look"

There are auctually heaps of tyre choices and sizes for 13's unlike some people believe.
Semis, road, rally, slicks from such as 155/50R13 get a 13x8 or 8.5 and run a 185/55, heaps of choices available in that tyre.

[san_10]

also brakes, it isnt hard to buy good pads, do work on your rotors, braided lines and run good fluid. \


If u need brakes that wont fit under 13's i wouldn't recomend running 13's anyway haha.
learn how to break properly before u get big brakes.

not much else that hasnt been coverd like ratios and stuff.

ive run a 165/55 on a 13x8 it was good, didnt really understeer but it was never meant for really serious driving.

cheap arse way of getting a higher ratio too :P

[pebbles]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
60 profile is sweet, on a 14inch, as large as you would want to go for performance use. The problem is to get the right rolling diameter in a 13 you need 65 or 70 profile tyres which will have far too much flex. Also what decent performance tyres are made in a 13inch with that big a profile? Fark all.[/b]

i thought that the profile was a percentage of the first number

eg 195/60/14 will have a slightly bigger profile than a 185/60/14??

or have i been mis informed and the middle number is simply a number not reliant on anything else?

that would make a lot more sense, lol

[san_10]

that only plays a factor when u put the rim in there.

a 225/40R18 will have the same profile as a 245/40R18

but if u put them both on a 9" rim the 245 would appear to have a bigger sidewall because of its obesewakness.

[Konakid]

What?

No it wont, on a 225/40/18, the profile height is 40 percent of 225mm, on the 245 is 40 percent of 245mm.


In my post i was saying to get a standard rolling diameter as standard in a 13 compared to a 14 or 15 you need to use higher sidewalls.

Eg a 185/60/14 may be the same rolling diameter as a 205/60/13 hence the 13 has more sidewall to deflect on to make up the lack of rim size.

[eightsixboy]

I'm convinced now that 13's give fair less grip than 15's.

Was driving home and turned onto a road i have driving on hundreds of times and it just kicked out, full 4 wheel aquaplane sideways, it wasnt that it kicked out but the fact that i felt like i had no conrol. With my 15's the car fells way more stable while getting abit sideways.

The tyres on my 13's arnt that shit, the front have yokahama re something on them, the rears are ordinary, one is a sumitomo(never heard of it) and the other is some cheap shit tyre. But i still would have expected more front grip, the car understeers a shit load in the wet now, and a noticable amount in the dry.

I'm thinking i might get the new gtr superlites, they look pretty cool, and you can get 15 by 8 in a low neg offset :2thumbs:.......